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Wilner: "Failing"

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/04/12/stock-report-uw-cashes-in-jim-knowlton-digs-in-bennie-boatwright-comes-back-and-the-pac-12-dodges-more-trouble/

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Cal Junkie said:

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Jeez guys. Bakesale Betty's FTW on 51st and Telegraph. Forget Chick-Fil-A and Super Dupers!

https://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/bakesale-betty-oakland?select=PZjs84qj9XYoAAe6084eLg

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LegoBear said:

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Cal Junkie said:

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Jeez guys. Bakesale Betty's FTW on 51st and Telegraph. Forget Chick-Fil-A and Super Dupers!

https://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/bakesale-betty-oakland?select=PZjs84qj9XYoAAe6084eLg

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The original Bakesale Betty sold her joint I believe to someone else and it is no longer as good as it once was.

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okaydo said:

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LegoBear said:

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Cal Junkie said:

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Jeez guys. Bakesale Betty's FTW on 51st and Telegraph. Forget Chick-Fil-A and Super Dupers!

https://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/bakesale-betty-oakland?select=PZjs84qj9XYoAAe6084eLg

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The original Bakesale Betty sold her joint I believe to someone else and it is no longer as good as it once was.

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Do you have a link? I googled Alison Barakat and Bakesale Betty's and couldn't find info on the sale?

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LegoBear said:

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okaydo said:

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LegoBear said:

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Cal Junkie said:

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Jeez guys. Bakesale Betty's FTW on 51st and Telegraph. Forget Chick-Fil-A and Super Dupers!

https://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/bakesale-betty-oakland?select=PZjs84qj9XYoAAe6084eLg

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The original Bakesale Betty sold her joint I believe to someone else and it is no longer as good as it once was.

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Do you have a link? I googled Alison Barakat and Bakesale Betty's and couldn't find info on the sale?

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No sorry it could be wrong information, but was told this information verbally. Personally haven't been there in a while.

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okaydo said:

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Cal Junkie said:

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Jeez guys. Bakesale Betty's FTW on 51st and Telegraph. Forget Chick-Fil-A and Super Dupers!

https://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/bakesale-betty-oakland?select=PZjs84qj9XYoAAe6084eLg

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1. I had never heard of the Chik Fil A ban before this thread.

2. I lived near Bakesale Betty's throughout its entire existence until a year and a half ago. I would walk by it at 5 in the morning when there was one person making the chicken sandwiches. But I never tasted that damn chicken sandwich.

They're only open 15 hours a week (Tuesday through Saturday, 11 am to 2 pm). I was too busy to wait in the long line on weekdays, and never devoted my Saturday to wait in that long line. Too bad.

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packawana said:

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BearGoggles said:

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I'm still waiting for someone to back up the claim that Chick Fil A discriminates or somehow lacks diversity. There is literally no evidence of that and, in fact, Chick Fil A is one of the better paying jobs for young people of all backgrounds.

The fact that one of its owners has political (really religious) views that people don't like (regarding gay marriage) doesn't mean the company discriminates in how it does business or treats people. That is an important distinction.

And yes, if people want to boycott because of the owners' beliefs, that is your right. But inevitably that leads to a more divided country and has unintended consequences (Bill Maher had a good take on this last weekend).

And for the record, those of you boycotting/avoiding Chick Fil A but eating In N Out might want to do a little research. Where does it end?

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I'm not entirely sure how you can consider any sort of market as entirely amoral. To take an extreme example -- if a company produced very good food that you like but its owners used the proceeds they made to fund domestic terrorism, would you willingly eat there? This isn't making the insinuation in the Chick-fil-a case at all; rather, it is to demonstrate that moral considerations do drive market forces.

Or, let's the view from an opposite side of the spectrum. Would you levy the same criticism that you're making in the Chick-Fil-A case against Americans who refuse to watch NFL games where players kneel during the National Anthem? It is somewhat analogous to the Chick-Fil-A example.

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Sebastabear said:

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okaydo said:

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Wilner: "Failing"

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/04/12/stock-report-uw-cashes-in-jim-knowlton-digs-in-bennie-boatwright-comes-back-and-the-pac-12-dodges-more-trouble/

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Technically we are "Falling". Seems like Wilner's main gripe is not the hire but the timing. I'm also a bit mystified by the fact that we took 8 months to do this and still didn't have an answer on whether (or which) sports to cut. I had always assumed that the exceedingly long delay was because Christ didn't want the new AD tainted by the cuts if those became necessary. Turned out that's not how this went down so I really don't understand the delay. Yes, it was important to get the "right" person, but come on. This is longer than the entire time period between the conclusion of presidential primaries and electing someone to the most important job in the world - actually maybe that's a bad example..

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Uthaithani said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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Goobear said:

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i saw the press conference on the PAC 12 web site

1) Articulate
2) Knows red is bad
3) Seems like a guy the donors can talk to
4) intelligent
5) Sounds development of student athletes on same page as Wilcox

Did not hear about winning as a football team at a national Level

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Doesn't understand Cal campus culture by mentioning Chick-fil-a several times despite there being a campus boycott and hatred due to Chick's founder's politics. He sound like a guy that can do well with alums, coaches and players, but will have a learning curve with Campus stakeholders IMO.

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Unfortunately you're right more than you probably meant.

I see a sharp, articulate, successful AD who understands how to turn around this department and is probably too good for Cal. I see the idiot intolerant left culture, sports-hostile faculty and do-nothing bureaucracy "Cal-ing" this up and running him off. I'm surprise Christ made this hire and even more surprised he took it.

You were probably thinking he should go along with the intolerant idiots to go along with the "culture" that is ruining the university and destroying major athletics at Cal. He need to challenge that toxic "culture," along with a lot of other toxins at Cal (the administration and hostile faculty being the big ones, but there are many others). He's just the kind of man who can and will stand up against the things that aren't working.

I have no doubt a guy like this AD won't put up with one ounce of BS from someone like Wyking Jones. That coach will either be gone or put on notice that he needs to win now or he'll be gone. An AD like this guy won't mess around. He'll have no problem rubbing some people the wrong way.

Unfortunately, that horrible "culture" at Cal will probably win and Cal football and MBB. The haters will come out of the woodwork, if they haven't already, to defend the despicable aspects of Cal's "culture," both in and out of the Athletic Department, in the name of political correctness, how-dare-you-challenge-my-coach-or-program, how-dare-you-make-us-do-work, or just "we hate white guys with a military background." You know that's coming, I can see it already. And if that side wins, forget it. Cal FB and MBB will never get out of the toilet.

I like this hire. I wish him well. And I give him about a 15% chance of succeeding. Which is actually far more optimistic than I was about the future of Cal FB and MBB before his hire.

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socaliganbear said:

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IDGAF about their political leanings, but Chick-fil-a are some of the blandest, most basic chicken sandwiches I've ever had. They're like the In-N-Out fries of chicken sandwiches.

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I completely agree. After hearing the hype for years about how incredible they were, I was seriously disappointed when I finally had one. Blah.

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BearGoggles said:

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packawana said:

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BearGoggles said:

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I'm still waiting for someone to back up the claim that Chick Fil A discriminates or somehow lacks diversity. There is literally no evidence of that and, in fact, Chick Fil A is one of the better paying jobs for young people of all backgrounds.

The fact that one of its owners has political (really religious) views that people don't like (regarding gay marriage) doesn't mean the company discriminates in how it does business or treats people. That is an important distinction.

And yes, if people want to boycott because of the owners' beliefs, that is your right. But inevitably that leads to a more divided country and has unintended consequences (Bill Maher had a good take on this last weekend).

And for the record, those of you boycotting/avoiding Chick Fil A but eating In N Out might want to do a little research. Where does it end?

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I'm not entirely sure how you can consider any sort of market as entirely amoral. To take an extreme example -- if a company produced very good food that you like but its owners used the proceeds they made to fund domestic terrorism, would you willingly eat there? This isn't making the insinuation in the Chick-fil-a case at all; rather, it is to demonstrate that moral considerations do drive market forces.

Or, let's the view from an opposite side of the spectrum. Would you levy the same criticism that you're making in the Chick-Fil-A case against Americans who refuse to watch NFL games where players kneel during the National Anthem? It is somewhat analogous to the Chick-Fil-A example.

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There is a big difference between patronizing a business that supports actual criminal/terrorist violence and patronizing (indirectly) someone with religious/political views that are different than my own. The first person is committing a criminal act; the second is exercising their first amendment right to free speech, free exercise of religion, and free association.

It is not a question of amorality - it is a question of tolerance for people with alternate viewpoints.

Should supporters of opposite sex marriage boycott ALL LGBT-owned businesses because those businesses and support gay marriage?

Should pro-lifers boycott all business with owners or employees who support planned parenthood?

Should Jews boycott christian owned businesses and vice versa?

Should democrats boycott all businesses with republican owners or employees?

Boycotting someone (or a business) because they have opposing/different political or religious views is, by definition, intolerant. And that intolerance will only be reciprocated, leading to more division in our society.

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71Bear said:

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I would NEVER eat at Chick Fil A.

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71Bear said:

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They do not support DIVERSITY and INCLUSION.

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Sebastabear said:

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okaydo said:

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Wilner: "Failing"

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/04/12/stock-report-uw-cashes-in-jim-knowlton-digs-in-bennie-boatwright-comes-back-and-the-pac-12-dodges-more-trouble/

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Technically we are "Falling". Seems like Wilner's main gripe is not the hire but the timing. I'm also a bit mystified by the fact that we took 8 months to do this and still didn't have an answer on whether (or which) sports to cut. I had always assumed that the exceedingly long delay was because Christ didn't want the new AD tainted by the cuts if those became necessary. Turned out that's not how this went down so I really don't understand the delay. Yes, it was important to get the "right" person, but come on. This is longer than the entire time period between the conclusion of presidential primaries and electing someone to the most important job in the world - actually maybe that's a bad example..

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TomBear said:

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Well, I like Chik Fil A a lot, and will continue to eat there, regardless of whether or not they end up doing some sort of Cal related thing or not. Same with In N Out.

As for the original intent of the post (anyone remember that?), I, like everyone else, have no options other than to hope for the best with this guy. He's hired, and he's in. Nothing I or anyone else says is going to change that. I like his background. He's accomplished, disciplined, focused, and appears to have done good jobs in his past positions. Maybe he's exactly what we need. I hope so. We don't have a choice.

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wifeisafurd said:

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TomBear said:

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Well, I like Chik Fil A a lot, and will continue to eat there, regardless of whether or not they end up doing some sort of Cal related thing or not. Same with In N Out.

As for the original intent of the post (anyone remember that?), I, like everyone else, have no options other than to hope for the best with this guy. He's hired, and he's in. Nothing I or anyone else says is going to change that. I like his background. He's accomplished, disciplined, focused, and appears to have done good jobs in his past positions. Maybe he's exactly what we need. I hope so. We don't have a choice.

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My mistake to bring-up the whole Chic Fil A thing. But this whole thread shows the cultural land mine which is Cal. Knowlton needs to develop a fast learning curve of which topics to just avoid. And I's still willing to buy the team In-n-Out when the beat SC down here.

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okaydo said:

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Wilner: "Failing"

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/04/12/stock-report-uw-cashes-in-jim-knowlton-digs-in-bennie-boatwright-comes-back-and-the-pac-12-dodges-more-trouble/

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wifeisafurd said:

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TomBear said:

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Well, I like Chik Fil A a lot, and will continue to eat there, regardless of whether or not they end up doing some sort of Cal related thing or not. Same with In N Out.

As for the original intent of the post (anyone remember that?), I, like everyone else, have no options other than to hope for the best with this guy. He's hired, and he's in. Nothing I or anyone else says is going to change that. I like his background. He's accomplished, disciplined, focused, and appears to have done good jobs in his past positions. Maybe he's exactly what we need. I hope so. We don't have a choice.

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My mistake to bring-up the whole Chic Fil A thing. But this whole thread shows the cultural land mine which is Cal. Knowlton needs to develop a fast learning curve of which topics to just avoid. And I's still willing to buy the team In-n-Out when the beat SC down here.

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wifeisafurd said:

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Sebastabear said:

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okaydo said:

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JWilner: "Failing"

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/04/12/stock-report-uw-cashes-in-jim-knowlton-digs-in-bennie-boatwright-comes-back-and-the-pac-12-dodges-more-trouble/

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Technically we are "Falling". Seems like Wilner's main gripe is not the hire but the timing. I'm also a bit mystified by the fact that we took 8 months to do this and still didn't have an answer on whether (or which) sports to cut. I had always assumed that the exceedingly long delay was because Christ didn't want the new AD tainted by the cuts if those became necessary. Turned out that's not how this went down so I really don't understand the delay. Yes, it was important to get the "right" person, but come on. This is longer than the entire time period between the conclusion of presidential primaries and electing someone to the most important job in the world - actually maybe that's a bad example..

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I'm don't think Wilner is even right on the timing issue. Whatever the decision on a strategic plan, it has to be the AD's plan, so there is buy-in. If she cuts teams before, she asks an AD go come into pissed off donors and a situation not his making or in his control, and she greatly limits the ability to who she can attract tot the job. Here she can recruit an AD who has the chance to establish of legacy of turning Cal sports around. And If she makes the decision not to cut teams, she takes away the ability of the AD to leverage donors to save teams or at least some strategic plan which he can get donors to buy into which perhaps minimizes cuts. Either way, she makes the job less attractive. This is why Wilner is a sports writers and not a manager.

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71Bear said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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TomBear said:

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Well, I like Chik Fil A a lot, and will continue to eat there, regardless of whether or not they end up doing some sort of Cal related thing or not. Same with In N Out.

As for the original intent of the post (anyone remember that?), I, like everyone else, have no options other than to hope for the best with this guy. He's hired, and he's in. Nothing I or anyone else says is going to change that. I like his background. He's accomplished, disciplined, focused, and appears to have done good jobs in his past positions. Maybe he's exactly what we need. I hope so. We don't have a choice.

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My mistake to bring-up the whole Chic Fil A thing. But this whole thread shows the cultural land mine which is Cal. Knowlton needs to develop a fast learning curve of which topics to just avoid. And I's still willing to buy the team In-n-Out when the beat SC down here.

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Yep. Overall, I like the selection of Knowlton. I also believe that someone needs to advise him of what topics he should avoid discussing publicly. As for the burgerfest after this fall's SC game (assuming a positive outcome), I hope the guys enjoy their In-and-Out experience. I'm just sorry it won't take place in Kettleman City - the official lunch stop between Northern and Southern California.

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Sebastabear said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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Sebastabear said:

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okaydo said:

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JWilner: "Failing"

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/04/12/stock-report-uw-cashes-in-jim-knowlton-digs-in-bennie-boatwright-comes-back-and-the-pac-12-dodges-more-trouble/

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Technically we are "Falling". Seems like Wilner's main gripe is not the hire but the timing. I'm also a bit mystified by the fact that we took 8 months to do this and still didn't have an answer on whether (or which) sports to cut. I had always assumed that the exceedingly long delay was because Christ didn't want the new AD tainted by the cuts if those became necessary. Turned out that's not how this went down so I really don't understand the delay. Yes, it was important to get the "right" person, but come on. This is longer than the entire time period between the conclusion of presidential primaries and electing someone to the most important job in the world - actually maybe that's a bad example..

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I'm don't think Wilner is even right on the timing issue. Whatever the decision on a strategic plan, it has to be the AD's plan, so there is buy-in. If she cuts teams before, she asks an AD go come into pissed off donors and a situation not his making or in his control, and she greatly limits the ability to who she can attract tot the job. Here she can recruit an AD who has the chance to establish of legacy of turning Cal sports around. And If she makes the decision not to cut teams, she takes away the ability of the AD to leverage donors to save teams or at least some strategic plan which he can get donors to buy into which perhaps minimizes cuts. Either way, she makes the job less attractive. This is why Wilner is a sports writers and not a manager.

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I think this really depends on whether you think cutting one or more teams is inevitable. I must admit that I do. So I don't see a situation where this delay makes sense since the bridges burned will be with both the AD and the Chancellor. If though, as you suggest, they can save all the teams and this gives the AD more cards to play then I guess that could make some sense. But then I come back to the eight month delay. I defy anyone to show me an example where a P5 school has taken that kind of time, or anything close to it, to go from an announced resignation to a new hire of an AD. I thought the idea was to get the sports cuts out of the way but as that clearly wasn't it I don't get it. Sure it was a critical hire, but at this level all AD hires are critical.

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Another Bear said:

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Larno said:

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Wow, I am so grateful that I was at Cal in the early '70's when we only had to contend with the Vietnam War, demonstrations, occasional tear gas and the draft, rather than the incredibly complex issue of boycotting Chick-fil-A.

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Yes you're an early boomer so you're superior to everyone else...and btw, early boomers also get a lot of credit for ef'ing up this country.

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Another Bear said:

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Larno said:

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Wow, I am so grateful that I was at Cal in the early '70's when we only had to contend with the Vietnam War, demonstrations, occasional tear gas and the draft, rather than the incredibly complex issue of boycotting Chick-fil-A.

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Yes you're an early boomer so you're superior to everyone else...and btw, early boomers also get a lot of credit for ef'ing up this country.

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Sebastabear said:

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Wait, so you are responsible for the AD hire delay and introducing a debate about chic-fil-a into the AD hire? You are definitely going straight to hell.

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wifeisafurd said:

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Sebastabear said:

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Wait, so you are responsible for the AD hire delay and introducing a debate about chic-fil-a into the AD hire? You are definitely going straight to hell.

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I had help on the first part (including from you). Guilty as charged on food thing. Funny, Berkeley food sucked when I was attending, but food really is synonymous with Berkeley these days.

Edit: Even Petros and other SoCal sports radio guys talk spend hours about places to eat in Berkeley.

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