Whatever happened to GrizzledBear? I'd be interested in hearing his thoughts on this matter.

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Whatever happened to GrizzledBear? I'd be interested in hearing his thoughts on this matter.

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Viagra induced heart attack.

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I find it really odd when men find the phony, plastic fake tan, bleached white teeth, big hair and over done make up attractive. It looks so cheap and ditzy to me.

...and I can't help but notice that it has been many of the "conservative" posters on the OT boards that have been touting this look as hot. Not sure what it means...but it is interesting.

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I guess I missed out in my time at Cal. I never really appreciated the inner beauty of the girls of the Free Speech Movement in the 1960s. Scraggly hair, braless, no makeup whatsoever, plenty of body hair, shower once in a while, and a copy of Mao's Little Red Book in their pocket. Fortunately, they were not the only girls on campus.

Maybe if our teams and athletes were better, the girls who are attracted to them would come to Cal.

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SFCityBear, I hate to break it to you, but girls now attend school not just to meet boys. In fact, it wouldn't be surprising to find out that most Cal coeds actually attend Cal primarily to develop their minds in the pursuit of higher education, with developing skills for the job market as a close second. In fact, even during my college days, my female classmates were more interested in earning a B.A./B.S. than a Mrs.

Maybe things were different in your time. Maybe they weren't. Either way, to insinuate that girls now attend college (especially Cal!) to meet guys is misguided (if not downright sexist).

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Well, son, I hate to break it to you, but girls in my day at Cal, except for perhaps the sorority types, were not by and large going to college in order to meet boys, and while most probably expected to marry one day, there was a whole lot of intellectual curiosity going on in the minds of those co-eds. The coffeehouses of Berkeley and the campus cafeteria were not a place where the girls looking for a husband hung out, and there were plenty of girls hanging out in them, and while there they discussed political ideas, other cultures, music, art, writing, and reading. The girls I went to school with joined the Peace Corps, and marched in the streets for a variety of political causes, one of which was women's rights. The difference today is that women are doing some of the jobs that were exclusively done by men, and women are seeking the knowledge and degrees that will lead to those jobs. Women have always had the thirst for knowledge. They just didn't have enough opportunity in my day to use that knowledge and talent in the workforce.

My comment in this thread was tongue-in-cheek, and I guess you missed that. You read way, way too much into my comment, if you think I was insinuating anything. You are making some vast generalizations about the women of the studentbody, which are not accurate. We are talking about the football team here, and football recruits. That is about 60 players, and only a couple dozen stars, that is starters, that are recruited by multiple schools. Are you telling me that nowadays, those 60 players can't find 60 gals on campus in the vast Cal studentbody to connect with and become boyfriend and girlfriend? I hate to break it to you, but even with our declining birthrate, our youth more and more unwilling to marry, that there are no Cal women who still don't find the ultra-masculine football player attractive? Football players are hunks, and cheerleaders are foxes (or they ought to be). One of us is pretty nave, with all due respect, if you think among the thousands of coeds at Cal, there are not 50 who dig hunks. That is all HTP and others are saying, recruit some foxes, and the studs will come. Bob Dylan sang it in a song once. President Kennedy wanted the country to grow. Dylan said, "I'll tell you what will make the country grow, Mr. President. Brigitte Bardot. Sophia Loren. Anita Ekberg. More of them and the country will grow." Or something like that. I hope the Cal coed will not entirely abandon normal sexual attraction for developing her mind and getting job skills. If we are going to survive, we need families and children.

On a personal note, I was not a good athlete. I was accepted to MIT, Cal Tech, and Cal. I was unable to get a scholarship or much of a loan. My parents were lower middle class. I chose to go to Cal, because of the much lower costs. But even if I had the money to afford MIT or Cal Tech, I still would have chosen Cal, because other things being equal, Cal had more women than either MIT or Cal Tech.

Finally, you call me out for being sexist. Were my comments sexist? Of course. The entire thread is sexist, except for you, perhaps. Can't you see that? It is a thread meant to be fun, not particularly serious. I'm sorry you took offense. There was no intent to offend, only to be humorous. Peace, brother.

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SFCityBear, first let me say that though I sometimes disagree with you, I truly do respect you. I am grateful to you for posting about things in Cal's past if which I was unaware or had no personal knowledge.

In my reply to you, I hope you didn't take it as anything other than a (hopefully gentle) notice that many (most?) moder Cal coeds are more interested in pursuing higher education than boys. I honestly have no idea when you attended Cal and have no idea what the prevailing mindset of the coeds at Cal was like then. I would also like to point out that even though many (most?) modern Cal coeds are educationally-inclined, some friends who attended other institutions informed me that many (most?) if the coeds there attended with the objective of getting married (or as they out it, "ring by spring").

That said, I wasn't quite sure whether you were being facetious with your prior comment. Unfortunately, as you know, humor doesn't always come across in the written word. This is especially true when writing for those who are unfamiliar with one's sense of humor. Again, if I misconstrued your comments (and took them seriously when you meant them not to be), I apologize. To help prevent such misunderstandings in the future, may I recommend adding a winky face or some other similar emoji to show your comment (or portion thereof) was not intended seriously? Alternatively, may I suggest you include some sort of editor's note or offset to indicate tone (e.g., "*sarcasm*," "*tongue-in-cheek*")?

Incidentally, I agree that it's a shame this thread has been derailed by politics. That was definitely not my intent. Rather, as stated above, I merely wanted to notify/advise you that many (most?) Cal coeds were not interested in finding a mate as much as they ate in furthering their own education.

One final note, as much as we tend to think that football is played by "manly men," of which the stereotype used to be that they are all virile heterosexuals, it ahould be remembered that some football players are also gay (including former Cal lineman Ryan O'Callaghan). There is nothing to suggest that being gay makes a man any less manly or virile. Nor anything to suggest that being gay makes anyone less capable of playing football. Sinilarly, I doubt that there's anything to suggest that being interested in hot women makes a player better. With that in mind, I doubt that all of Cal's football recruits/players are interested in "hot" women (regardless of whether they are cheerleaders).

Regardless, I do hope to read more of your posts in the future. Again, I am grateful for your posts (even (or especially) those with positions/opinions that differ from mine).

Go Bears!

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Dear 01: Just got a private e-mail from cortez: She has just cancelled you as a potential VP. If elected, however, he has a new dept in mind called the Ministry of Silliness, Pomposity, Impertinence, Faux outrage, and mind-boggling youthful arrogance and ignorance . She would like you to apply for an internship. Thirty years in this ministry may qualify you to be "first alternate." Please see the movie, "The String. " And you went to what on-line law school??And, is the "school" still paying you for attending??keep your "pity." Instead, read the Federalist papers. Then buy yourself a pocket copy of the constitution. no fair keeping it in your pocket to impress folks. You must actually read it . Don't worry---you will be graded on a curve. A very, very long curve. Also, your arrogance has lots of company. I, too, used to think and talk and write like you. Then, my Mother washed out my mouth with soap and I then graduated from grammar school with new outlooks on life. I have not given up on you. I will refuse to hold your youth against you.

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Dear Helltopay,

I've been "slammed" by folks who were much better at doing so than you. Seriously, your comments elicit little more from me than pity. I can't imagine how it must be to feel that the world has passes you by entirely and you are not only out of touch but also irrelevant. How scared and fearful you must be at a wold that no longer seems to have a place for you. Truly, I am sorry for you.

If it means anything to you, I'll say a prayer for you. I mean that seriously. I'll pray for God to alleviate your fears and fill you with the courage to find a new place in the world. For the desire and ability to continue learning and expanding your horizons. For God to comfort you.

Take care, fellow Bear.

Go Bears!

01Bear

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Dear 01: Just got a private e-mail from cortez: She has just cancelled you as a potential VP. If elected, however, he has a new dept in mind called the Ministry of Silliness, Pomposity, Impertinence, Faux outrage, and mind-boggling youthful arrogance and ignorance . She would like you to apply for an internship. Thirty years in this ministry may qualify you to be "first alternate." Please see the movie, "The String. " And you went to what on-line law school??And, is the "school" still paying you for attending??keep your "pity." Instead, read the Federalist papers. Then buy yourself a pocket copy of the constitution. no fair keeping it in your pocket to impress folks. You must actually read it . Don't worry---you will be graded on a curve. A very, very long curve. Also, your arrogance has lots of company. I, too, used to think and talk and write like you. Then, my Mother washed out my mouth with soap and I then graduated from grammar school with new outlooks on life. I have not given up on you. I will refuse to hold your youth against you.

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Dear Helltopay,

I've been "slammed" by folks who were much better at doing so than you. Seriously, your comments elicit little more from me than pity. I can't imagine how it must be to feel that the world has passes you by entirely and you are not only out of touch but also irrelevant. How scared and fearful you must be at a wold that no longer seems to have a place for you. Truly, I am sorry for you.

If it means anything to you, I'll say a prayer for you. I mean that seriously. I'll pray for God to alleviate your fears and fill you with the courage to find a new place in the world. For the desire and ability to continue learning and expanding your horizons. For God to comfort you.

Take care, fellow Bear.

Go Bears!

01Bear

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Can't we all just get along......

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Dear 01: Just got a private e-mail from cortez: She has just cancelled you as a potential VP. If elected, however, he has a new dept in mind called the Ministry of Silliness, Pomposity, Impertinence, Faux outrage, and mind-boggling youthful arrogance and ignorance . She would like you to apply for an internship. Thirty years in this ministry may qualify you to be "first alternate." Please see the movie, "The String. " And you went to what on-line law school??And, is the "school" still paying you for attending??keep your "pity." Instead, read the Federalist papers. Then buy yourself a pocket copy of the constitution. no fair keeping it in your pocket to impress folks. You must actually read it . Don't worry---you will be graded on a curve. A very, very long curve. Also, your arrogance has lots of company. I, too, used to think and talk and write like you. Then, my Mother washed out my mouth with soap and I then graduated from grammar school with new outlooks on life. I have not given up on you. I will refuse to hold your youth against you.

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Dear Helltopay,

I've been "slammed" by folks who were much better at doing so than you. Seriously, your comments elicit little more from me than pity. I can't imagine how it must be to feel that the world has passes you by entirely and you are not only out of touch but also irrelevant. How scared and fearful you must be at a wold that no longer seems to have a place for you. Truly, I am sorry for you.

If it means anything to you, I'll say a prayer for you. I mean that seriously. I'll pray for God to alleviate your fears and fill you with the courage to find a new place in the world. For the desire and ability to continue learning and expanding your horizons. For God to comfort you.

Take care, fellow Bear.

Go Bears!

01Bear

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Can't we all just get along......

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Exactly.

If Shocky was here, at least we would have more pictures. Very disappointed this has turned into an intellectual exercise.

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Come to think of it, one Ocasio-Cortez is probably enough for the Cortez bandwagon crowd ( all nine of them)

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Why is conservative media so obsessed with somebody who only has nine people in their bandwagon?

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Because, because, BECAUSE OF HER EMAIL!!! Okay, lets get real...she's not white and short fingered vulgarians are threatened. Same as birther Muslim stuff. It's called hate and stupidity.

Elect a clown...except a circus. Elect a Russkie asset/TRAITOR and expect a consituationsl crisis.

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Please don't tell us you graduated from Cal. It disappoints me, so I get the hysteria, but you lost me with "consituationsl" How do you pronounce that, and what does it mean?

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Wow. A spelling error on a message board and you question somebody's degree. Chill, dude.

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The question was in relation to the Left wing paranoia and and hatred presented in a hysterical way. I hoped that Cal was not going the way of the majority of colleges in America, which have begun to limit and shut down free speech, providing safe spaces for students, and limiting or eliminating debate. And I hoped that Cal graduates would present political views in a forum for debate, not just go all hysterical about them. The Free Speech Movement at Cal in the 1960s was founded and run by mostly Leftists (of which I was one), to open up the forum for discourse at Cal, not to shut it down. Unfortunately, the Left is now in charge on most college campuses, and debate has been limited. Not long ago we saw the University disinviting Conservative pundits Ann Coulter and Ben Shapiro, in the face of threatened and real violence from the Left wing Antifa group, I believe. At the same time they did follow through with inviting Conservative Dennis Prager, who is more intellectual, and maybe a gentler person, and less threatening, and he had a reasonable debate with students on the Cal campus, or so I am told. That is the way it should be done, if the country is not to go down in flames.

My question about the word "consituationsl" was a genuine one. It wasn't a simple spelling error. It seemed like a blending together of parts of two words, "Con stitutiona l" and" situations". I figured it was due to his mindset at the time, which was, with all due respect, a little hysterical.

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That's BS and everyone knows it.

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Come to think of it, one Ocasio-Cortez is probably enough for the Cortez bandwagon crowd ( all nine of them)

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Why is conservative media so obsessed with somebody who only has nine people in their bandwagon?

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Because, because, BECAUSE OF HER EMAIL!!! Okay, lets get real...she's not white and short fingered vulgarians are threatened. Same as birther Muslim stuff. It's called hate and stupidity.

Elect a clown...except a circus. Elect a Russkie asset/TRAITOR and expect a consituationsl crisis.

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Please don't tell us you graduated from Cal. It disappoints me, so I get the hysteria, but you lost me with "consituationsl" How do you pronounce that, and what does it mean?

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Why does it disappoint you, because you're old and don't get mockery? Or you a Trump Russkie Traitor kinda guy?

Anywho, yes indeed I graduated from Cal, so did several family members. What's your excuse?

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Lighten up, son. Helltopay1 did grossly belittle the support of Ocassio-=Cortez. I don't like a thread begun in fun turning political (what else, I guess - this is Berkeley) but to overreact with a lot of hysterical derogatory comments based on unprovable (so far) assertions is not the way to win an argument. If you want to convince anyone of the truth and/or sincerity of your convictions, hysteria and personal attacks whether it is against one of us or against the President, then just present the facts or your theory in a way that doesn't offend us, and we can discuss or debate them.

I apologize for any offense. I explained what I meant in my post. I could have chosen better words. And with all due respect, so could you. If you want to debate the ideas of Ocasio-Cortez in a polite reasonable and constructive way, I'd be happy to do so, and I'd look forward to it. And I won't hold your youth against you. (Just kidding) And I congratulate you on getting a degree from Cal. In the end that will be a hell of a lot more important to you than any political feelings you might have, in terms of your own success in life.

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Actually, you backpedaled from what you meant, and everyone knows it.

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I have a controversial take....but I'm not going to go there.

All I'll day is that Ole Miss and TCU have something in common that is the total opposite of Cal...besides conservative Christian values.

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Everyone in Mississippi views the folks in Oxford as knee jerking liberals. Seriously, Ole Miss no longer has that image. Now TCU fits the stereotype more.

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https://blog.prepscholar.com/most-conservative-colleges

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I had a feeling that article would come out. Ole Miss has a somewhat liberal administration and faculty and has gone through the introspection that TCU has not, and has made changes to the culture. There is no denying the student body is relatively conservative for a state university, but it is a conservative state. Here is just one article of many articles about changes:

The Confederacy still haunts the campus of Ole Miss https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/confederacy-still-haunts-campus-ole-miss-n820881 via @nbcnews

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I watched a couple of the Bama games at the Bama bar in NYC as one of my colleagues is a Bama grad. They say they're the most notoriously liberal campus now in the SEC, due to the relatively high % of out of state students in Tuscaloosa these days. Apparently, they even have the largest lgbt student population in the region.

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As it should be. Alabama is gayer than Christmas. Yes, I'm looking at you, Jeff Sessions.

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This thread started so well with the pictures and all. Sigh...

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In a probably ineffective attempt to bring this thread back to, well... Make This Thread Great Again, or some such thing, I will say that based on personal observation at close range (i.e. less than 2 yards), the hottest TCU cheer/spirit gal was not in either the cheerleading or showgirl (that is what they call their dance team) squads. The twirler (the one on the left side), was clearly the hottest. Left twirler, as it were.

Also the tall gal on our Cal dance team was easily hot enough to be on the TCU showgirl squad.

I know these are things that are of upmost importance.

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Come to think of it, one Ocasio-Cortez is probably enough for the Cortez bandwagon crowd ( all nine of them)

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Why is conservative media so obsessed with somebody who only has nine people in their bandwagon?

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Because, because, BECAUSE OF HER EMAIL!!! Okay, lets get real...she's not white and short fingered vulgarians are threatened. Same as birther Muslim stuff. It's called hate and stupidity.

Elect a clown...except a circus. Elect a Russkie asset/TRAITOR and expect a consituationsl crisis.

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Please don't tell us you graduated from Cal. It disappoints me, so I get the hysteria, but you lost me with "consituationsl" How do you pronounce that, and what does it mean?

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Wow. A spelling error on a message board and you question somebody's degree. Chill, dude.

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The question was in relation to the Left wing paranoia and and hatred presented in a hysterical way. I hoped that Cal was not going the way of the majority of colleges in America, which have begun to limit and shut down free speech, providing safe spaces for students, and limiting or eliminating debate. And I hoped that Cal graduates would present political views in a forum for debate, not just go all hysterical about them. The Free Speech Movement at Cal in the 1960s was founded and run by mostly Leftists (of which I was one), to open up the forum for discourse at Cal, not to shut it down. Unfortunately, the Left is now in charge on most college campuses, and debate has been limited. Not long ago we saw the University disinviting Conservative pundits Ann Coulter and Ben Shapiro, in the face of threatened and real violence from the Left wing Antifa group, I believe. At the same time they did follow through with inviting Conservative Dennis Prager, who is more intellectual, and maybe a gentler person, and less threatening, and he had a reasonable debate with students on the Cal campus, or so I am told. That is the way it should be done, if the country is not to go down in flames.

My question about the word "consituationsl" was a genuine one. It wasn't a simple spelling error. It seemed like a blending together of parts of two words, "Con stitutiona l" and" situations". I figured it was due to his mindset at the time, which was, with all due respect, a little hysterical.

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The debate on campuses, including Cal, is not limited. That's a red herring. The actual numbers of suppressive incidents are less than marginal; and nearly half of those involve suppression of liberal speech.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/31/17718296/campus-free-speech-political-correctness-musa-al-gharbi

https://jezebel.com/the-campus-free-speech-battle-youre-not-seeing-1791631293

https://splinternews.com/the-right-is-dismantling-campus-free-speech-as-we-speak-1826827932

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You would have us read articles that appear on left-wing propaganda websites as a source for what, exactly? That not only is a waste our time, it is destructive. Left-wing propaganda may sound better to you than right-wing propaganda, but they are both in the business of manipulating minds. I suggest you trust your own observations, and not those you read online. Go to some campuses, look at what you see, interview some students. If you insist on reading one side of an issue, then read all sides of the issue for the sake of honesty, and perspective. And there are many: left, liberal, moderate democrat, moderate republican, conservative, libertarian, populist or nationalist, and so on.

" the man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors." - Thomas Jefferson

Maybe more true today than ever before

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Come to think of it, one Ocasio-Cortez is probably enough for the Cortez bandwagon crowd ( all nine of them)

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Why is conservative media so obsessed with somebody who only has nine people in their bandwagon?

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Because, because, BECAUSE OF HER EMAIL!!! Okay, lets get real...she's not white and short fingered vulgarians are threatened. Same as birther Muslim stuff. It's called hate and stupidity.

Elect a clown...except a circus. Elect a Russkie asset/TRAITOR and expect a consituationsl crisis.

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Please don't tell us you graduated from Cal. It disappoints me, so I get the hysteria, but you lost me with "consituationsl" How do you pronounce that, and what does it mean?

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Wow. A spelling error on a message board and you question somebody's degree. Chill, dude.

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The question was in relation to the Left wing paranoia and and hatred presented in a hysterical way. I hoped that Cal was not going the way of the majority of colleges in America, which have begun to limit and shut down free speech, providing safe spaces for students, and limiting or eliminating debate. And I hoped that Cal graduates would present political views in a forum for debate, not just go all hysterical about them. The Free Speech Movement at Cal in the 1960s was founded and run by mostly Leftists (of which I was one), to open up the forum for discourse at Cal, not to shut it down. Unfortunately, the Left is now in charge on most college campuses, and debate has been limited. Not long ago we saw the University disinviting Conservative pundits Ann Coulter and Ben Shapiro, in the face of threatened and real violence from the Left wing Antifa group, I believe. At the same time they did follow through with inviting Conservative Dennis Prager, who is more intellectual, and maybe a gentler person, and less threatening, and he had a reasonable debate with students on the Cal campus, or so I am told. That is the way it should be done, if the country is not to go down in flames.

My question about the word "consituationsl" was a genuine one. It wasn't a simple spelling error. It seemed like a blending together of parts of two words, "Con stitutiona l" and" situations". I figured it was due to his mindset at the time, which was, with all due respect, a little hysterical.

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That's BS and everyone knows it.

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Anyone who knows me knows I may make mistakes, and I may have misguided opinions, but I don't lie. About anything.

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Come to think of it, one Ocasio-Cortez is probably enough for the Cortez bandwagon crowd ( all nine of them)

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Why is conservative media so obsessed with somebody who only has nine people in their bandwagon?

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Because, because, BECAUSE OF HER EMAIL!!! Okay, lets get real...she's not white and short fingered vulgarians are threatened. Same as birther Muslim stuff. It's called hate and stupidity.

Elect a clown...except a circus. Elect a Russkie asset/TRAITOR and expect a consituationsl crisis.

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Please don't tell us you graduated from Cal. It disappoints me, so I get the hysteria, but you lost me with "consituationsl" How do you pronounce that, and what does it mean?

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Why does it disappoint you, because you're old and don't get mockery? Or you a Trump Russkie Traitor kinda guy?

Anywho, yes indeed I graduated from Cal, so did several family members. What's your excuse?

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Lighten up, son. Helltopay1 did grossly belittle the support of Ocassio-=Cortez. I don't like a thread begun in fun turning political (what else, I guess - this is Berkeley) but to overreact with a lot of hysterical derogatory comments based on unprovable (so far) assertions is not the way to win an argument. If you want to convince anyone of the truth and/or sincerity of your convictions, hysteria and personal attacks whether it is against one of us or against the President, then just present the facts or your theory in a way that doesn't offend us, and we can discuss or debate them.

I apologize for any offense. I explained what I meant in my post. I could have chosen better words. And with all due respect, so could you. If you want to debate the ideas of Ocasio-Cortez in a polite reasonable and constructive way, I'd be happy to do so, and I'd look forward to it. And I won't hold your youth against you. (Just kidding) And I congratulate you on getting a degree from Cal. In the end that will be a hell of a lot more important to you than any political feelings you might have, in terms of your own success in life.

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Actually, you backpedaled from what you meant, and everyone knows it.

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Wrong again.

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I find it really odd when men find the phony, plastic fake tan, bleached white teeth, big hair and over done make up attractive. It looks so cheap and ditzy to me.

...and I can't help but notice that it has been many of the "conservative" posters on the OT boards that have been touting this look as hot. Not sure what it means...but it is interesting.

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I guess I missed out in my time at Cal. I never really appreciated the inner beauty of the girls of the Free Speech Movement in the 1960s. Scraggly hair, braless, no makeup whatsoever, plenty of body hair, shower once in a while, and a copy of Mao's Little Red Book in their pocket. Fortunately, they were not the only girls on campus.

Maybe if our teams and athletes were better, the girls who are attracted to them would come to Cal.

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SFCityBear, I hate to break it to you, but girls now attend school not just to meet boys. In fact, it wouldn't be surprising to find out that most Cal coeds actually attend Cal primarily to develop their minds in the pursuit of higher education, with developing skills for the job market as a close second. In fact, even during my college days, my female classmates were more interested in earning a B.A./B.S. than a Mrs.

Maybe things were different in your time. Maybe they weren't. Either way, to insinuate that girls now attend college (especially Cal!) to meet guys is misguided (if not downright sexist).

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Well, son, I hate to break it to you, but girls in my day at Cal, except for perhaps the sorority types, were not by and large going to college in order to meet boys, and while most probably expected to marry one day, there was a whole lot of intellectual curiosity going on in the minds of those co-eds. The coffeehouses of Berkeley and the campus cafeteria were not a place where the girls looking for a husband hung out, and there were plenty of girls hanging out in them, and while there they discussed political ideas, other cultures, music, art, writing, and reading. The girls I went to school with joined the Peace Corps, and marched in the streets for a variety of political causes, one of which was women's rights. The difference today is that women are doing some of the jobs that were exclusively done by men, and women are seeking the knowledge and degrees that will lead to those jobs. Women have always had the thirst for knowledge. They just didn't have enough opportunity in my day to use that knowledge and talent in the workforce.

My comment in this thread was tongue-in-cheek, and I guess you missed that. You read way, way too much into my comment, if you think I was insinuating anything. You are making some vast generalizations about the women of the studentbody, which are not accurate. We are talking about the football team here, and football recruits. That is about 60 players, and only a couple dozen stars, that is starters, that are recruited by multiple schools. Are you telling me that nowadays, those 60 players can't find 60 gals on campus in the vast Cal studentbody to connect with and become boyfriend and girlfriend? I hate to break it to you, but even with our declining birthrate, our youth more and more unwilling to marry, that there are no Cal women who still don't find the ultra-masculine football player attractive? Football players are hunks, and cheerleaders are foxes (or they ought to be). One of us is pretty nave, with all due respect, if you think among the thousands of coeds at Cal, there are not 50 who dig hunks. That is all HTP and others are saying, recruit some foxes, and the studs will come. Bob Dylan sang it in a song once. President Kennedy wanted the country to grow. Dylan said, "I'll tell you what will make the country grow, Mr. President. Brigitte Bardot. Sophia Loren. Anita Ekberg. More of them and the country will grow." Or something like that. I hope the Cal coed will not entirely abandon normal sexual attraction for developing her mind and getting job skills. If we are going to survive, we need families and children.

On a personal note, I was not a good athlete. I was accepted to MIT, Cal Tech, and Cal. I was unable to get a scholarship or much of a loan. My parents were lower middle class. I chose to go to Cal, because of the much lower costs. But even if I had the money to afford MIT or Cal Tech, I still would have chosen Cal, because other things being equal, Cal had more women than either MIT or Cal Tech.

Finally, you call me out for being sexist. Were my comments sexist? Of course. The entire thread is sexist, except for you, perhaps. Can't you see that? It is a thread meant to be fun, not particularly serious. I'm sorry you took offense. There was no intent to offend, only to be humorous. Peace, brother.

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SFCityBear, first let me say that though I sometimes disagree with you, I truly do respect you. I am grateful to you for posting about things in Cal's past if which I was unaware or had no personal knowledge.

In my reply to you, I hope you didn't take it as anything other than a (hopefully gentle) notice that many (most?) moder Cal coeds are more interested in pursuing higher education than boys. I honestly have no idea when you attended Cal and have no idea what the prevailing mindset of the coeds at Cal was like then. I would also like to point out that even though many (most?) modern Cal coeds are educationally-inclined, some friends who attended other institutions informed me that many (most?) if the coeds there attended with the objective of getting married (or as they out it, "ring by spring").

That said, I wasn't quite sure whether you were being facetious with your prior comment. Unfortunately, as you know, humor doesn't always come across in the written word. This is especially true when writing for those who are unfamiliar with one's sense of humor. Again, if I misconstrued your comments (and took them seriously when you meant them not to be), I apologize. To help prevent such misunderstandings in the future, may I recommend adding a winky face or some other similar emoji to show your comment (or portion thereof) was not intended seriously? Alternatively, may I suggest you include some sort of editor's note or offset to indicate tone (e.g., "*sarcasm*," "*tongue-in-cheek*")?

Incidentally, I agree that it's a shame this thread has been derailed by politics. That was definitely not my intent. Rather, as stated above, I merely wanted to notify/advise you that many (most?) Cal coeds were not interested in finding a mate as much as they ate in furthering their own education.

One final note, as much as we tend to think that football is played by "manly men," of which the stereotype used to be that they are all virile heterosexuals, it ahould be remembered that some football players are also gay (including former Cal lineman Ryan O'Callaghan). There is nothing to suggest that being gay makes a man any less manly or virile. Nor anything to suggest that being gay makes anyone less capable of playing football. Sinilarly, I doubt that there's anything to suggest that being interested in hot women makes a player better. With that in mind, I doubt that all of Cal's football recruits/players are interested in "hot" women (regardless of whether they are cheerleaders).

Regardless, I do hope to read more of your posts in the future. Again, I am grateful for your posts (even (or especially) those with positions/opinions that differ from mine).

Go Bears!

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Thank you for your thoughtful post. I will try and be more clear and also to take your suggestions to heart to avoid any future misunderstanding.

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Or Granddaughter, My late wife attended LSU and graduated with an engineering degree and worked for the Navy as an Environmental Engineer. She spent over two hours a day putting on makeup. Drove me crazy, but it was the culture/environment where she grew up in a small town next to Baton Rouge. After twenty years of marriage we managed to get her make-up time down to 45 minutes and her 'tools' didn't need their own suitcase. Without makeup she was more attractive than any of the women I met in Cal's College of Engineering, there weren't that many back then and many of the Cal students were barely groomed and rarely clean. Until you have lived with one of these Southern girls you can get yourself in plenty of trouble suggesting their make-up is excessive.

Fast forward 20 years, all three granddaughters are semi-athletic and competitive. The oldest likes soccer but it is too much work and sweat. She inherited most of my wife's make-up and tools. Perfect make-up is not compatible with soccer, she preferred to be the most photographed girl in high school. The middle one was a bit more out of shape and decided to be a flag-twirler in high school and get good grades for college. Then LSU raised it's tuition to nearly $ 10,000 a year so after the first year she dropped out of LSU and she joined the Marines is now in much better shape to use that GI bill and now looks like she is twelve (makeup not a major part of a Marine's duty uniform). And then there is the youngest when her grandmother died she wasn't wearing make-up, but she started cheerleader training when she was ten and each year the squad she was on got better and eventually won a couple of national competitions and each years she wore more and more make-up. She now wears more than her sisters. Her mother had set her up to earn a college cheerleading scholarship. Problem was that she liked cheer better than school. So after graduating high school last year she's working odd jobs until she is old enough to become a stewardess.

Now I think the granddaughters are more attractive wearing less make-up. But Lord the rest of the family incessantly comments on Facebook how beautiful they are. it would be suicide to tell a well armed host of
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I too enjoyed reading this, and the previous comments about make-up and too much of it. Make-up is something a woman or girl uses to make herself look her best, or look better at least. Some women over-do it. Some women use none at all, and I'll get to that in a minute. In any case, make-up can be and is used by many women to attract men. It is a way of manipulating men, if done right, for some men, maybe even most men. It is an equalizer, because it gives the not-so-good-looking girl more of a chance than she had without it, in the playing field of the game of life where girls try to attract men, and the good looking girls usually get more of the fellas to pay attention to them. Tragic for some, but until we become more enlightened, that is how it is.

One concern I have about modern society is that fewer people take pride in their appearance now. Most people walk around like they just came from a homeless encampment. Faded, dirty, or torn jeans is the standard. BTW, I tried to buy a pair of Levi's in the Levi store, and they did not have a pair in a solid color. They somehow imprint fade and even dirt into the fabric, to make them look old and worn. They had jeans with pre-made cuts, tears, and holes. No one wears a coat and tie anymore, except at weddings an funerals, maybe. Makeup is one of the few things remaining where women, at least, can try to make themselves look their best or better.

As to the amount of make-up, for every woman who uses it, the challenge is to get the right amount on, day after day, especially with the time constraints of modern life. Some days she wakes up looking good, and doesn't need as much. Some days the opposite is true. And then there is the man she wants to please. Some of us don't like any makeup. I have a friend who grew up on a farm. He does not like to see any makeup on a woman's face. I dated his sister for a long while. She wore no makeup. I dated another girl when I was at Cal who was from South America. Stone gorgeous. I fell for her, and a big reason was she seemed to be naturally beautiful, without any make-up. Dozens of men were chasing after her. I got a job in LA, and invited her down to stay with me for a few days. In the morning, she said she was going to cook breakfast for my roommate and I, and to wait for her. She grabbed a makeup toolbox and went into the bathroom. My roommate and I were starved, when two hours later she emerged, looking like she had no makeup on at all. (the breakfast was pathetic she did not know how to scramble an egg. I went into the bathroom, and her toolbox was still open. I looked inside and there were over a hundred little tubes of creams and things. I guess the proper combination of all those colors and thicknesses, is what gave her the "Look at me. I'm beautiful, I don't need to wear makeup" look.

One word of advice: Don't ever, ever tell a girl she is wearing too much makeup. And don't ever ever tell a girl she might want to try using a little makeup. Either one of those statements will get you at least a long freeze-out, maybe a big fight, and maybe lose you a girlfriend. As a supervisor, I once had some female employees. One of them wore excessive makeup. She came into my office one morning to ask my advice. She said she thought she was attractive, and could make a good companion and provide a good home for a man, but she had a lot of trouble meeting men. The conversation dragged on, and I had work to do, so I stupidly suggested that she might try using a little less make-up. She exploded, stormed out of the room, bad-mouthed me to all the other girls, so that it was a couple of weeks before I could get any work out of any of them. The woman never spoke to me again.

And oh, yes. Current girlfriend wears makeup. She attracts men like flypaper attracts flies. Sometimes too much makeup. They don't care. Neither do I. It is the best policy.

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Because, because, BECAUSE OF HER EMAIL!!! Okay, lets get real...she's not white and short fingered vulgarians are threatened. Same as birther Muslim stuff. It's called hate and stupidity.

Elect a clown...except a circus. Elect a Russkie asset/TRAITOR and expect a consituationsl crisis.

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The question was in relation to the Left wing paranoia and and hatred presented in a hysterical way. I hoped that Cal was not going the way of the majority of colleges in America, which have begun to limit and shut down free speech, providing safe spaces for students, and limiting or eliminating debate. And I hoped that Cal graduates would present political views in a forum for debate, not just go all hysterical about them. The Free Speech Movement at Cal in the 1960s was founded and run by mostly Leftists (of which I was one), to open up the forum for discourse at Cal, not to shut it down. Unfortunately, the Left is now in charge on most college campuses, and debate has been limited. Not long ago we saw the University disinviting Conservative pundits Ann Coulter and Ben Shapiro, in the face of threatened and real violence from the Left wing Antifa group, I believe. At the same time they did follow through with inviting Conservative Dennis Prager, who is more intellectual, and maybe a gentler person, and less threatening, and he had a reasonable debate with students on the Cal campus, or so I am told. That is the way it should be done, if the country is not to go down in flames.

My question about the word "consituationsl" was a genuine one. It wasn't a simple spelling error. It seemed like a blending together of parts of two words, "Con stitutiona l" and" situations". I figured it was due to his mindset at the time, which was, with all due respect, a little hysterical.

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The debate on campuses, including Cal, is not limited. That's a red herring. The actual numbers of suppressive incidents are less than marginal; and nearly half of those involve suppression of liberal speech.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/31/17718296/campus-free-speech-political-correctness-musa-al-gharbi

https://jezebel.com/the-campus-free-speech-battle-youre-not-seeing-1791631293

https://splinternews.com/the-right-is-dismantling-campus-free-speech-as-we-speak-1826827932

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You would have us read articles that appear on left-wing propaganda websites as a source for what, exactly? That not only is a waste our time, it is destructive. Left-wing propaganda may sound better to you than right-wing propaganda, but they are both in the business of manipulating minds. I suggest you trust your own observations, and not those you read online. Go to some campuses, look at what you see, interview some students. If you insist on reading one side of an issue, then read all sides of the issue for the sake of honesty, and perspective. And there are many: left, liberal, moderate democrat, moderate republican, conservative, libertarian, populist or nationalist, and so on.

" the man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors." - Thomas Jefferson

Maybe more true today than ever before

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I'll just say it - KNOCK OFF the left wing propaganda B.S. talk. It's utterly ignorant and stupid Fox News regurgitation. Here's why - we're in the age of a LYING POTUS (a criminal and very likely a TRAITOR) and that doesn't even begin to get into the syncopated mouth breathers like America's Favorite Mayor, Rudy the Ghoul, Miller the Jewish Nazi and all the rest.

These motherfkers are destroying American democracy and institutions and you're talking about left wing stuff? Seriously, you are part of the problem. You're talking basic Cold War Warrior talking points while ignoring the conservative movements kowtowing to the damn Russkies. Just stupid AF.

Conservatives have sat on their hands and helped push the U.S. towards authoritarianism and fascism...while saying this? And you have the f'n gall to call out Left Wing stuff...GTFO.

A year of unprecedented deception: Trump averaged 15 false claims a day in 2018

15 LIES a DAY and you're calling out the left?

Respecting your elders have limits, and you're proof.

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If all you have is propaganda and personal attacks on me, we're done. Have a nice day!

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Look Bucky, you started this off with your Dotard Wing Nut attacks. I'm just finishing it (this progressive punches back) but you're wussing out now? Yeah, RUN AWAY like a boss...or bone spur. Yeah, par for the course.

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There are women you date and women you marry.

That's all I have to say about that.

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Brilliant SF Chronicle columnist Charles McCabe used Freud's term, the Madonna|Wh@re Complex, but then again he was an off the charts misogynist. The Rainier Ale guzzling old sot sure could write, though.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_McCabe

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When I was young, I started a correspondence with Charles McCabe, and he was gracious and friendly to a young guy who wanted to try his hand at writing. He had a book published on his thoughts about the fairer sex, a collection of columns, entitled, "Tall Girls are Grateful" He thought short girls could be like little Napoleons. In my limited experience I'd have to agree. He also said if you ever get the urge to find a woman, marry and settle down, that you should leave town immediately, head up into the mountains to a cabin, and stay there alone with yourself and your thoughts until the urge depleted itself.

He started his column, "The Fearless Spectator" on the Chronicle Sporting Green. He blundered by predicting that Willie McCovey would never be a good ballplayer, and McCabe's career as a sports columnist was doomed. However the Chron moved him to the Editorial page and his career flourished. I sure miss him.

Look Bucky, you started this off with your Dotard Wing Nut attacks. I'm just finishing it (this progressive punches back) but you're wussing out now? Yeah, RUN AWAY like a boss...or bone spur. Yeah, par for the course.

can you guys take it outside and beat up on each other there?

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eCome to think of it, one Ocasio-Cortez is probably enough for the Cortez bandwagon crowd ( all nine of them)

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Why is conservative media so obsessed with somebody who only has nine people in their bandwagon?

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Because, because, BECAUSE OF HER EMAIL!!! Okay, lets get real...she's not white and short fingered vulgarians are threatened. Same as birther Muslim stuff. It's called hate and stupidity.

Elect a clown...except a circus. Elect a Russkie asset/TRAITOR and expect a consituationsl crisis.

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Please don't tell us you graduated from Cal. It disappoints me, so I get the hysteria, but you lost me with "consituationsl" How do you pronounce that, and what does it mean?

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Wow. A spelling error on a message board and you question somebody's degree. Chill, dude.

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The question was in relation to the Left wing paranoia and and hatred presented in a hysterical way. I hoped that Cal was not going the way of the majority of colleges in America, which have begun to limit and shut down free speech, providing safe spaces for students, and limiting or eliminating debate. And I hoped that Cal graduates would present political views in a forum for debate, not just go all hysterical about them. The Free Speech Movement at Cal in the 1960s was founded and run by mostly Leftists (of which I was one), to open up the forum for discourse at Cal, not to shut it down. Unfortunately, the Left is now in charge on most college campuses, and debate has been limited. Not long ago we saw the University disinviting Conservative pundits Ann Coulter and Ben Shapiro, in the face of threatened and real violence from the Left wing Antifa group, I believe. At the same time they did follow through with inviting Conservative Dennis Prager, who is more intellectual, and maybe a gentler person, and less threatening, and he had a reasonable debate with students on the Cal campus, or so I am told. That is the way it should be done, if the country is not to go down in flames.

My question about the word "consituationsl" was a genuine one. It wasn't a simple spelling error. It seemed like a blending together of parts of two words, "Con stitutiona l" and" situations". I figured it was due to his mindset at the time, which was, with all due respect, a little hysterical.

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The debate on campuses, including Cal, is not limited. That's a red herring. The actual numbers of suppressive incidents are less than marginal; and nearly half of those involve suppression of liberal speech.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/31/17718296/campus-free-speech-political-correctness-musa-al-gharbi

https://jezebel.com/the-campus-free-speech-battle-youre-not-seeing-1791631293

https://splinternews.com/the-right-is-dismantling-campus-free-speech-as-we-speak-1826827932

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You would have us read articles that appear on left-wing propaganda websites as a source for what, exactly? That not only is a waste our time, it is destructive. Left-wing propaganda may sound better to you than right-wing propaganda, but they are both in the business of manipulating minds. I suggest you trust your own observations, and not those you read online. Go to some campuses, look at what you see, interview some students. If you insist on reading one side of an issue, then read all sides of the issue for the sake of honesty, and perspective. And there are many: left, liberal, moderate democrat, moderate republican, conservative, libertarian, populist or nationalist, and so on.

" the man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors." - Thomas Jefferson

Maybe more true today than ever before

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I'll just say it - KNOCK OFF the left wing propaganda B.S. talk. It's utterly ignorant and stupid Fox News regurgitation. Here's why - we're in the age of a LYING POTUS (a criminal and very likely a TRAITOR) and that doesn't even begin to get into the syncopated mouth breathers like America's Favorite Mayor, Rudy the Ghoul, Miller the Jewish Nazi and all the rest.

These motherfkers are destroying American democracy and institutions and you're talking about left wing stuff? Seriously, you are part of the problem. You're talking basic Cold War Warrior talking points while ignoring the conservative movements kowtowing to the damn Russkies. Just stupid AF.

Conservatives have sat on their hands and helped push the U.S. towards authoritarianism and fascism...while saying this? And you have the f'n gall to call out Left Wing stuff...GTFO.

A year of unprecedented deception: Trump averaged 15 false claims a day in 2018

15 LIES a DAY and you're calling out the left?

Respecting your elders have limits, and you're proof.

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In need of a chill pill. Venom pushed as truth. Nah. Talk about hatred.

Perhaps the make-up that cheerleaders wear is meant to convert a certain look from a fairly long distance.

When a woman in everyday life puts on a lot of make-up, I sometimes think she has a low opinion about her own natural beauty. Bad self esteem. That is never a "good" look. But there could be a lot of very understandable reasons for that. At any rate, less is usually better imo.

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Why is conservative media so obsessed with somebody who only has nine people in their bandwagon?

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Because, because, BECAUSE OF HER EMAIL!!! Okay, lets get real...she's not white and short fingered vulgarians are threatened. Same as birther Muslim stuff. It's called hate and stupidity.

Elect a clown...except a circus. Elect a Russkie asset/TRAITOR and expect a consituationsl crisis.

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Please don't tell us you graduated from Cal. It disappoints me, so I get the hysteria, but you lost me with "consituationsl" How do you pronounce that, and what does it mean?

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Wow. A spelling error on a message board and you question somebody's degree. Chill, dude.

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The question was in relation to the Left wing paranoia and and hatred presented in a hysterical way. I hoped that Cal was not going the way of the majority of colleges in America, which have begun to limit and shut down free speech, providing safe spaces for students, and limiting or eliminating debate. And I hoped that Cal graduates would present political views in a forum for debate, not just go all hysterical about them. The Free Speech Movement at Cal in the 1960s was founded and run by mostly Leftists (of which I was one), to open up the forum for discourse at Cal, not to shut it down. Unfortunately, the Left is now in charge on most college campuses, and debate has been limited. Not long ago we saw the University disinviting Conservative pundits Ann Coulter and Ben Shapiro, in the face of threatened and real violence from the Left wing Antifa group, I believe. At the same time they did follow through with inviting Conservative Dennis Prager, who is more intellectual, and maybe a gentler person, and less threatening, and he had a reasonable debate with students on the Cal campus, or so I am told. That is the way it should be done, if the country is not to go down in flames.

My question about the word "consituationsl" was a genuine one. It wasn't a simple spelling error. It seemed like a blending together of parts of two words, "Con stitutiona l" and" situations". I figured it was due to his mindset at the time, which was, with all due respect, a little hysterical.

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The debate on campuses, including Cal, is not limited. That's a red herring. The actual numbers of suppressive incidents are less than marginal; and nearly half of those involve suppression of liberal speech.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/31/17718296/campus-free-speech-political-correctness-musa-al-gharbi

https://jezebel.com/the-campus-free-speech-battle-youre-not-seeing-1791631293

https://splinternews.com/the-right-is-dismantling-campus-free-speech-as-we-speak-1826827932

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You would have us read articles that appear on left-wing propaganda websites as a source for what, exactly? That not only is a waste our time, it is destructive. Left-wing propaganda may sound better to you than right-wing propaganda, but they are both in the business of manipulating minds. I suggest you trust your own observations, and not those you read online. Go to some campuses, look at what you see, interview some students. If you insist on reading one side of an issue, then read all sides of the issue for the sake of honesty, and perspective. And there are many: left, liberal, moderate democrat, moderate republican, conservative, libertarian, populist or nationalist, and so on.

" the man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors." - Thomas Jefferson

Maybe more true today than ever before

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I'll just say it - KNOCK OFF the left wing propaganda B.S. talk. It's utterly ignorant and stupid Fox News regurgitation. Here's why - we're in the age of a LYING POTUS (a criminal and very likely a TRAITOR) and that doesn't even begin to get into the syncopated mouth breathers like America's Favorite Mayor, Rudy the Ghoul, Miller the Jewish Nazi and all the rest.

These motherfkers are destroying American democracy and institutions and you're talking about left wing stuff? Seriously, you are part of the problem. You're talking basic Cold War Warrior talking points while ignoring the conservative movements kowtowing to the damn Russkies. Just stupid AF.

Conservatives have sat on their hands and helped push the U.S. towards authoritarianism and fascism...while saying this? And you have the f'n gall to call out Left Wing stuff...GTFO.

A year of unprecedented deception: Trump averaged 15 false claims a day in 2018

15 LIES a DAY and you're calling out the left?

Respecting your elders have limits, and you're proof.

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In need of a chill pill. Venom pushed as truth. Nah. Talk about hatred.

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Yeah, Another Bear. Take a chill pill.

It's "15 false claims a day." Not lies.

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So to you Okaydo, Trumps stupid behavior, justifies that posters posting? I worry about you and maybe your hatred for Trump clouding what is right and wrong. I am NO lover of Trump in the slightest, but the vitriol was over the top for any situation.

I agree. I follow cal sports for the entertainment and escape and more often than not it works (if only sometimes accompanied with alcohol) I'll take calbear80 over this any day and that's not a knock on him. I found the whole makeup discussion interesting and fun (until it wasn't) and will have to find a way to add the makeup "tool kit" descriptor to my lexicon.

And now onto Google to check out TCU's "left twirler".

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Or Granddaughter, My late wife attended LSU and graduated with an engineering degree and worked for the Navy as an Environmental Engineer. She spent over two hours a day putting on makeup. Drove me crazy, but it was the culture/environment where she grew up in a small town next to Baton Rouge. After twenty years of marriage we managed to get her make-up time down to 45 minutes and her 'tools' didn't need their own suitcase. Without makeup she was more attractive than any of the women I met in Cal's College of Engineering, there weren't that many back then and many of the Cal students were barely groomed and rarely clean. Until you have lived with one of these Southern girls you can get yourself in plenty of trouble suggesting their make-up is excessive.

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Now I think the granddaughters are more attractive wearing less make-up. But Lord the rest of the family incessantly comments on Facebook how beautiful they are. it would be suicide to tell a well armed host of
trump worshipers that they are mistaken. "Too much make-up?" them's fightin' words...

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I too enjoyed reading this, and the previous comments about make-up and too much of it. Make-up is something a woman or girl uses to make herself look her best, or look better at least. Some women over-do it. Some women use none at all, and I'll get to that in a minute. In any case, make-up can be and is used by many women to attract men. It is a way of manipulating men, if done right, for some men, maybe even most men. It is an equalizer, because it gives the not-so-good-looking girl more of a chance than she had without it, in the playing field of the game of life where girls try to attract men, and the good looking girls usually get more of the fellas to pay attention to them. Tragic for some, but until we become more enlightened, that is how it is.

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... My roommate and I were starved, when two hours later she emerged, looking like she had no makeup on at all. (the breakfast was pathetic she did not know how to scramble an egg. I went into the bathroom, and her toolbox was still open. I looked inside and there were over a hundred little tubes of creams and things. I guess the proper combination of all those colors and thicknesses, is what gave her the "Look at me. I'm beautiful, I don't need to wear makeup" look.

One word of advice: Don't ever, ever tell a girl she is wearing too much makeup. And don't ever ever tell a girl she might want to try using a little makeup. Either one of those statements will get you at least a long freeze-out, maybe a big fight, and maybe lose you a girlfriend. As a supervisor, I once had some female employees. One of them wore excessive makeup. She came into my office one morning to ask my advice. She said she thought she was attractive, and could make a good companion and provide a good home for a man, but she had a lot of trouble meeting men. The conversation dragged on, and I had work to do, so I stupidly suggested that she might try using a little less make-up. She exploded, stormed out of the room, bad-mouthed me to all the other girls, so that it was a couple of weeks before I could get any work out of any of them. The woman never spoke to me again.

And oh, yes. Current girlfriend wears makeup. She attracts men like flypaper attracts flies. Sometimes too much makeup. They don't care. Neither do I. It is the best policy.

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Been there as well. I had a long time girlfriend who spent two hours a day looking natural. Naturally I had no idea until I witnessed it. I also told my future wife that she didn't need to wear so much makeup in the office to still be better groomed than anyone else. That delayed our relationship by months. She was a new employee struggling to live in the Bay Area and her monthly make-up expense was her largest expense other than rent. Trying to be helpful can be hazardous. We were married for five years before I was allowed to see her
'naked', aka without makeup...

To paraphrase a quote from "August, Osage County": "All women look better with makeup, dear. The only woman who didn't need makeup was Elizabeth Taylor and she wore a ton."

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82gradDLSdad said:

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This thread started so well with the pictures and all. Sigh...

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In a probably ineffective attempt to bring this thread back to, well... Make This Thread Great Again, or some such thing, I will say that based on personal observation at close range (i.e. less than 2 yards), the hottest TCU cheer/spirit gal was not in either the cheerleading or showgirl (that is what they call their dance team) squads. The twirler (the one on the left side), was clearly the hottest. Left twirler, as it were.

Also the tall gal on our Cal dance team was easily hot enough to be on the TCU showgirl squad.

I know these are things that are of upmost importance.

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The twirler is cute. Good call.