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Tune in to the Today Show at 7:40 tomorrow. You can see the alleged victim speak about her mental illness.

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She has now indicated it will air on Wednesday (I assume the same time slot).

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I'm skeptical that this is for real. Why would the Today Show want to talk to her about her mental illnesses rather than the sexual harassment allegations? They could interview any number of people about mental illness; there's nothing special about hers.

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The Today Show cares about everyday people and the everyday struggles they face. This has NOTHING to do with her being a rich, good-looking young blond who has gotten a boost of fame during the past week.

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Is there any real confirmation from NBC that this will be a segment on the Today show?
If so, I look forward to watching it.

If not, (and she's the one saying there will be a segment), that makes perfect sense to someone more than familiar with Bi-Polar disorder.

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Yeah, I've been trying to find confirmation of this and can't. If she's actually going to be on an NBC show tomorrow you'd think there would be something about it on one of their pages or their Twitter account or something.

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If she's the source that she will appear on the Today Show, I'm dubious.

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Certainly not everything she's claimed so far has held up to scrutiny, so I wonder about this.

Which of course does NOT mean that she was NOT sexually harassed by a coach. It's still possible that this happened. It does mean that you can't take everything she says at face value, though.

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Didn't the ESPN story report that the coach in question was let go?

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I haven't checked this thread out since post 200 last Friday...the reddit thread on this looks dead.

Any cliff notes on where we are on this? Quickly trying to update myself leads me to the conclusion that Wilcox did nothing wrong and girl might be "confused".

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The reddit thread got locked the day it was posted.

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Reading the comments on Reddit were quite illuminating. It wasn't a particularly sympathetic crowd.

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The r/berkeley thread I think is a good indicator of how the general student populace perceives this vis-a-vis the r/cfb thread.

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Her IG story now claims that the story will run Thursday and "definitely not Friday".

Take it for what it's worth

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The saga continues.

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We will see if they broadcast live from her house on Billionaire's Beach.

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no kidding, today's feed was a lesson in running on Malibu beaches with her dog . I'm really, really trying to be charitable but maybe I'm out of touch. I'm 59 and lugged around toilets today from Home Depot in Maine where today was 45 and it seems like 80. Lord please. This is such a joke, yeah I said it.

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In a sane world the "press" if we can give the Today show the benefit of that title would do a minimum of checking and verification before swallowing the story they are being peddled. Running on Malibu beach with her dog all the while suffering from all of the stress of her time as a "hydro tech" and mental health issues... What a pile of m@n#r* this is.

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I would wait until she is actually on the Today show before you start criticizing the Today show.

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really? Have you watched that show? It's horrible. I have absolutely no hesitation to criticize that show, it's dopamine and buntd cakes for the masses. Now the interview is another topic, but that said, let's see what she says. I'm dubious.

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Well, feel free to criticize the Today show. I haven't watched it in 35 years. I'm just saying I wouldn't criticize them for putting her on the show until they actually put her on.

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Tune in to the Today Show at 7:40 tomorrow. You can see the alleged victim speak about her mental illness.

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She has now indicated it will air on Wednesday (I assume the same time slot).

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I'm skeptical that this is for real. Why would the Today Show want to talk to her about her mental illnesses rather than the sexual harassment allegations? They could interview any number of people about mental illness; there's nothing special about hers.

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The Today Show cares about everyday people and the everyday struggles they face. This has NOTHING to do with her being a rich, good-looking young blond who has gotten a boost of fame during the past week.

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Is there any real confirmation from NBC that this will be a segment on the Today show?
If so, I look forward to watching it.

If not, (and she's the one saying there will be a segment), that makes perfect sense to someone more than familiar with Bi-Polar disorder.

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Yeah, I've been trying to find confirmation of this and can't. If she's actually going to be on an NBC show tomorrow you'd think there would be something about it on one of their pages or their Twitter account or something.

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If she's the source that she will appear on the Today Show, I'm dubious.

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Certainly not everything she's claimed so far has held up to scrutiny, so I wonder about this.

Which of course does NOT mean that she was NOT sexually harassed by a coach. It's still possible that this happened. It does mean that you can't take everything she says at face value, though.

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Didn't the ESPN story report that the coach in question was let go?

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Not exactly; they just said that the coach is no longer with the team. Everyone took it to mean that he was let go now, but he very well could have left on his own months ago seeing as how he was a volunteer assistant.

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D.) On her Instagram, she has pictures in Pacific Palisades with a new Mercedes SUV... travelling internationally extensively... drinking those crazy overpriced pressed juices in Hollywood... all of which is fine, but kinda weird given the original statement.

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You're wrong, she doesn't have a Mercedes.

She has a Range Rover.



Or maybe she has both.

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I haven't checked this thread out since post 200 last Friday...the reddit thread on this looks dead.

Any cliff notes on where we are on this? Quickly trying to update myself leads me to the conclusion that Wilcox did nothing wrong and girl might be "confused".

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Link?

This girl comes off on IG as bat s h i i i t cray cray.

Broadcasting your "mental health" issues? Pining for sympathy in one post, showboating material wealth and status in the next?

Are any of you parents? Wouldn't you intervene in your daughter's affairs when they shame you like this? Or at least disown her.

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Her IG story now claims that the story will run Thursday and "definitely not Friday".

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no kidding, today's feed was a lesson in running on Malibu beaches with her dog . I'm really, really trying to be charitable but maybe I'm out of touch. I'm 59 and lugged around toilets today from Home Depot in Maine where today was 45 and it seems like 80. Lord please. This is such a joke, yeah I said it.

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In a sane world the "press" if we can give the Today show the benefit of that title would do a minimum of checking and verification before swallowing the story they are being peddled. Running on Malibu beach with her dog all the while suffering from all of the stress of her time as a "hydro tech" and mental health issues... What a pile of m@n#r* this is.

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really? Have you watched that show? It's horrible. I have absolutely no hesitation to criticize that show, it's dopamine and buntd cakes for the masses. Now the interview is another topic, but that said, let's see what she says. I'm dubious.

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Well, feel free to criticize the Today show. I haven't watched it in 35 years. I'm just saying I wouldn't criticize them for putting her on the show until they actually put her on.

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not critical of them for putting it on (if in fact the non event happens) but the show itself? Try pushing for 36.

Not sure if this was posted, but from her FB last Fri;

"Just WANTED TO SAY **** THE HATERS, 100s of women have come forward also cal employees and athletes with the same allegations."

https://www.facebook.com/100002246134707/posts/2169794449772072?sfns=mo

100s????

Either Cal football is a total cesspool that's been flying under the radar or she's telling a wild story to serve her own agenda.

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Either Cal football is a total cesspool that's been flying under the radar or she's telling a wild story to serve her own agenda.

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No comment on Cal football, but the university has had quite a few recent sexual harassment issues in both the academic and athletic circles.

this nut job sure loves the attention - look how many stories she has linked to her facebook profile.

from these stories on her facebook to broadcasting her material wealth and mental issues on IG, this girl can't get enough.

also, never trust anyone who starts off with "fu*& the haters"

Well apparently a very one sided segment did air on the today show today

Full video here:

I guess I'll eat crow about the segment being made up.

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Either Cal football is a total cesspool that's been flying under the radar or she's telling a wild story to serve her own agenda.

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No comment on Cal football, but the university has had quite a few recent sexual harassment issues in both the academic and athletic circles.

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I guess it doesn't happen at other universities or businesses.

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Full video here:

I guess I'll eat crow about the segment being made up.

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She admits (according to the segment) that she didn't report anything last fall, so hopefully JW did report it when he first heard about it last week.
Not that it makes anything "right", but these were two volunteer assistants.
Finally, she goes to a guys hotel room, and feeling nervous because he allegedly harassed her before, and she lied down on the bed?
I'm sorry, but I'm not backing that.
And NBC fails to report that none of the parties involved from Cal (Wilcox or the AD) can contact her or comment other than to acknowledge the allegations after she reported it. It's in an investigation.

Great reporting. So there are supposedly numerous unnamed witnesses and people who have had supposedly similar experiences according to the alleged victim, and yet no one else - witness, friend, family member - has as of yet stepped forward in public to directly support the allegations? I guess this somehow meets the new "guilty until proven innocent" standard.

So if one just listens to the reporter and to Paige's version as reported, Cal has a horrific culture of sexual harassment. I wonder if this reflects the standard of reporting these days (Kavanaugh, Smollet, collusion, etc) and fully expect it does. But if what is reported rings true it does not speak well for Cal. I think we need to remain open minded and a bit fearful for the time. As Goo sez, let the truth will out.

ps. It is so patently unfair to see such one sided reporting whatever the result including the inference that Cal is remiss by not disclosing which they can't with an ongoing investigation. Stones are being thrown. Will they strike us down?

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So if one just listens to the reporter and to Paige's version as reported, Cal has a horrific culture of sexual harassment. I wonder if this reflects the standard of reporting these days (Kavanaugh, Smollet, collusion, etc) and fully expect it does. But if what is reported rings true it does not speak well for Cal. I think we need to remain open minded and a bit fearful for the time. As Goo sez, let the truth will out.

ps. It is so patently unfair to see such one sided reporting whatever the result including the inference that Cal is remiss by not disclosing which they can't with an ongoing investigation. Stones are being thrown. Will they strike us down?

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That's the way the media works and operates these days. Outrage gets views, clicks, shares, etc. Balanced reporting does not. Trump may have a point after all...

Watched this thing. My favorite saying is you don't what you don't know....

Ehh, I don't think the segment is super one-sided. They include the statements from the university and from Wilcox and that they got no comment from the accused coaches. Seems fairly responsible for a short TV segment with only one person who wants to be interviewed.

Just a reminder to everyone: it's very possible that she lied and/or exaggerated about her financial situation but did not lie about the harassment.

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So if one just listens to the reporter and to Paige's version as reported, Cal has a horrific culture of sexual harassment. I wonder if this reflects the standard of reporting these days (Kavanaugh, Smollet, collusion, etc) and fully expect it does. But if what is reported rings true it does not speak well for Cal. I think we need to remain open minded and a bit fearful for the time. As Goo sez, let the truth will out.

ps. It is so patently unfair to see such one sided reporting whatever the result including the inference that Cal is remiss by not disclosing which they can't with an ongoing investigation. Stones are being thrown. Will they strike us down?

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That's the way the media works and operates these days. Outrage gets views, clicks, shares, etc. Balanced reporting does not. Trump may have a point after all...

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Since there is such a concern here about shoddy reporting (and I admit my team is guilty of it as pointed out by Matt Taibbi), and a concern about balanced reporting, I thought you might be interested in shoddy reporting from a source that panders to your preferred political narrative:

https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/fox/false/


...and the POTUS chooses this man as the server of his word salad:

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/sean-hannity/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/2019/03/28/trump-sean-hannity-are-best-very-confused-about-how-russia-investigation-began/&freshcontent=1

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So if one just listens to the reporter and to Paige's version as reported, Cal has a horrific culture of sexual harassment. I wonder if this reflects the standard of reporting these days (Kavanaugh, Smollet, collusion, etc) and fully expect it does. But if what is reported rings true it does not speak well for Cal. I think we need to remain open minded and a bit fearful for the time. As Goo sez, let the truth will out.

ps. It is so patently unfair to see such one sided reporting whatever the result including the inference that Cal is remiss by not disclosing which they can't with an ongoing investigation. Stones are being thrown. Will they strike us down?

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That's the way the media works and operates these days. Outrage gets views, clicks, shares, etc. Balanced reporting does not. Trump may have a point after all...

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Since there is such a concern here about shoddy reporting (and I admit my team is guilty of it as pointed out by Matt Taibbi), and a concern about balanced reporting, I thought you might be interested in shoddy reporting from a source that panders to your preferred political narrative:

https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/fox/false/


...and the POTUS chooses this man as the server of his word salad:

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/sean-hannity/

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Whoa now, jumping to conclusions here aren't we? Who said I was a conservative?

Wow. Some of these early replies to the segment are absolutely delusional.

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So if one just listens to the reporter and to Paige's version as reported, Cal has a horrific culture of sexual harassment. I wonder if this reflects the standard of reporting these days (Kavanaugh, Smollet, collusion, etc) and fully expect it does. But if what is reported rings true it does not speak well for Cal. I think we need to remain open minded and a bit fearful for the time. As Goo sez, let the truth will out.

ps. It is so patently unfair to see such one sided reporting whatever the result including the inference that Cal is remiss by not disclosing which they can't with an ongoing investigation. Stones are being thrown. Will they strike us down?

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That's the way the media works and operates these days. Outrage gets views, clicks, shares, etc. Balanced reporting does not. Trump may have a point after all...

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Since there is such a concern here about shoddy reporting (and I admit my team is guilty of it as pointed out by Matt Taibbi), and a concern about balanced reporting, I thought you might be interested in shoddy reporting from a source that panders to your preferred political narrative:

https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/fox/false/


...and the POTUS chooses this man as the server of his word salad:

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/sean-hannity/

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Whoa now, jumping to conclusions here aren't we? Who said I was a conservative?

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Well, we know OB66's politics which he confirmed singling out Kavanaugh coverage, then you seemed to be giving him a little love in your post which was capped off with "...tRump may have a point..." The point of the Kavanaugh confirmation and the Russia gate tRump matters is that they both dodged bullets (and they both know it) not that they were flogged by false coverage.

There is so much political posting here I can't remember which side you are coming from so I apologize if I misunderstood you.

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So if one just listens to the reporter and to Paige's version as reported, Cal has a horrific culture of sexual harassment. I wonder if this reflects the standard of reporting these days (Kavanaugh, Smollet, collusion, etc) and fully expect it does. But if what is reported rings true it does not speak well for Cal. I think we need to remain open minded and a bit fearful for the time. As Goo sez, let the truth will out.

ps. It is so patently unfair to see such one sided reporting whatever the result including the inference that Cal is remiss by not disclosing which they can't with an ongoing investigation. Stones are being thrown. Will they strike us down?

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That's the way the media works and operates these days. Outrage gets views, clicks, shares, etc. Balanced reporting does not. Trump may have a point after all...

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Since there is such a concern here about shoddy reporting (and I admit my team is guilty of it as pointed out by Matt Taibbi), and a concern about balanced reporting, I thought you might be interested in shoddy reporting from a source that panders to your preferred political narrative:

https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/fox/false/


...and the POTUS chooses this man as the server of his word salad:

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/sean-hannity/

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Whoa now, jumping to conclusions here aren't we? Who said I was a conservative?

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Well, we know OB66's politics which he confirmed singling out Kavanaugh coverage, the you seemed to be giving him a little love in your post which was capped off with "...tRump may have a point..." The point of the Kavanaugh confirmation and the Russia gate tRump matters are that they both dodged bullets (and they both know it) not that they were flogged by false coverage.

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What I was referring to in a tongue-in-cheek way is the media (on both sides) pumping out more and more shoddy "reporting" these days. Regardless of which side is in the lead, it looks like this is a race to the bottom.

I seriously hazard folks against seeing this as an attack on the program and it's reputation but rather as an opportunity to get to the truth of whether or not there's culture which may or may not be toxic within the program. If the investigation shows there isn't, then there isn't. But if there's truth to it, then it should be weeded out and the appropriate measures should be taken.

Yeah Cal ends up looking bad but I would rather it look bad now and we weed out a problem if it exists rather than later if something far more severe were to occur. If there's nothing wrong, then that will come out as well and clearly discredit the accuser as well as affirm that the university's process is robust.

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pingpong2 said:

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So if one just listens to the reporter and to Paige's version as reported, Cal has a horrific culture of sexual harassment. I wonder if this reflects the standard of reporting these days (Kavanaugh, Smollet, collusion, etc) and fully expect it does. But if what is reported rings true it does not speak well for Cal. I think we need to remain open minded and a bit fearful for the time. As Goo sez, let the truth will out.

ps. It is so patently unfair to see such one sided reporting whatever the result including the inference that Cal is remiss by not disclosing which they can't with an ongoing investigation. Stones are being thrown. Will they strike us down?

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That's the way the media works and operates these days. Outrage gets views, clicks, shares, etc. Balanced reporting does not. Trump may have a point after all...

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Since there is such a concern here about shoddy reporting (and I admit my team is guilty of it as pointed out by Matt Taibbi), and a concern about balanced reporting, I thought you might be interested in shoddy reporting from a source that panders to your preferred political narrative:

https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/fox/false/


...and the POTUS chooses this man as the server of his word salad:

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/sean-hannity/

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Whoa now, jumping to conclusions here aren't we? Who said I was a conservative?

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Well, we know OB66's politics which he confirmed singling out Kavanaugh coverage, the you seemed to be giving him a little love in your post which was capped off with "...tRump may have a point..." The point of the Kavanaugh confirmation and the Russia gate tRump matters are that they both dodged bullets (and they both know it) not that they were flogged by false coverage.

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What I was referring to in a tongue-in-cheek way is the media (on both sides) pumping out more and more shoddy "reporting" these days. Regardless of which side is in the lead, it looks like this is a race to the bottom.

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Just so you know I try to be fair (this piece kicks me in the stones):

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/russiagate-is-wmd-times-a-million

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Ehh, I don't think the segment is super one-sided. They include the statements from the university and from Wilcox and that they got no comment from the accused coaches. Seems fairly responsible for a short TV segment with only one person who wants to be interviewed.

Just a reminder to everyone: it's very possible that she lied and/or exaggerated about her financial situation but did not lie about the harassment.

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Absolutely agree that she may not have lied about the harassment. Hope same is not true. But the reporter thru innuendo gave the feeling she was open and Cal was "closed". Just not so.

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Ehh, I don't think the segment is super one-sided. They include the statements from the university and from Wilcox and that they got no comment from the accused coaches. Seems fairly responsible for a short TV segment with only one person who wants to be interviewed.

Just a reminder to everyone: it's very possible that she lied and/or exaggerated about her financial situation but did not lie about the harassment.

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Absolutely agree that she may not have lied about the harassment. Hope same is not true. But the reporter thru innuendo gave the feeling she was open and Cal was "closed". Just not so.

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The issue is that on the university angle, it's somewhat closed and somewhat not. By federal policy, information about students can't be released in an investigation but it's my understanding that releasing information about accused employees is up to university policy. I can understand the logic why the university would like to keep the identities of the accused private until wrongdoing has been proven (as well as the legal reasons why), but it's totally up to the university to say something like "this issue is still under investigation and we're currently doing interviews" or something of that nature. But it seems the university has just decided on a policy of near radio silence

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Full video here:

I guess I'll eat crow about the segment being made up.

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She admits (according to the segment) that she didn't report anything last fall, so hopefully JW did report it when he first heard about it last week.
Not that it makes anything "right", but these were two volunteer assistants.
Finally, she goes to a guys hotel room, and feeling nervous because he allegedly harassed her before, and she lied down on the bed?
I'm sorry, but I'm not backing that.
And NBC fails to report that none of the parties involved from Cal (Wilcox or the AD) can contact her or comment other than to acknowledge the allegations after she reported it. It's in an investigation.

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So a few HUGE changes to her story if the NBC reporter is narrating accurately:

1. She didn't report the incidents until TWO DAYS before her post. Which lines up with the 1 minute calls she took screenshots of.

2. A few days later after the office incident she quit her internship (which she was afraid to get fired from?). And then AFTER she quits the same coach invites her to his hotel room and she complies?! Even though she didn't even have her internship anymore?! She said her motivation was not letting her mom down but none of that makes sense if she already quit her internship.

3. Her original post makes it seems like there are two main coaches involved. One still around and one that has left. The NBC account makes it seem like two volunteer assistant coaches are involved and that both have left.

So this is either shoddy reporting...orrr more reasons to view her account critically. I'm surprised people aren't talking about the second point more. Seems like a big shift in the narrative to say the hotel incident happened when she didn't even have her role anymore.

EDIT: Would be remiss to say that I don't necessarily dismiss NBC saying that a few other students backed up the accuser's account. Because they don't specify what aspects of the sexual harassment were supported. I think it's possible that sexual harassment does occur, but it's certainly no proof of the level of harassment that this former intern describes. I could very well see it being about inappropriate instagram comments or catcalling and the like which is still a form of sexual harassment.

When Cal gets through its investigation everythingEVERYTHINGwill get weighed. I also have to believe the investigation will pick up all the stuff Bear sleuths have.

Ultimately, though, her embellishing/lying/retelling doesn't mean something didn't happen. My personal view is something did. Doesn't mean their is a "culture" of sexism but that people (who knows who) probably crossed some lines and Cal needs to make sure it reminds all what the rules are.

Honestly, this is something every business contends with and I think we do a disservice to not see that. We should be happy Jw and JK are not the problem, and make sure that Cal follows the process. Ultimately her mental distress (which I think is the root cause of the story switching) doesn't mean there is something there that should be addressed responsibly.

Two points:

First, NBC called that an interview? I mean ok, the reporter and Paige clearly talked amongst themselves, but why only air about 10 seconds of Paige actually speaking (in mostly insignificant sound bites)? Instead the piece is essentially just the reporter repeating the allegations in the Facebook post. Not very informative.

Second, I find it odd that Paige claimed that the alleged harassers "kept contacting her" after she quit, but why rely on hearsay? Why not show some examples?

I want the truth to come out and if she has been harmed there should be repercussions, but like others, I can't help but sense something fishy and sensationalized about this.

The inconsistency in the Claremont story is pretty stark.

Facebook: "Every night before a Cal home game, the team stays in the Claremont, luxury hotel nearby. I was staying there with my mom that night, as she was visiting me for the weekend. I get a text from the coach. 'Meet me in my room'. I couldn't let my mom down, if I got fired she wouldn't be able to support me, so I said I was leaving for the night. When I got to his room, I was scared, so I just laid on the bed and tried to make small talk. He started taking his clothes off. I started crying uncontrollably. He yelled at me to get out of him room, and that he could **** any girl he wanted. From that point on I was still working for the team."

Today Show: AFTER she quit, and therefore no longer afraid to be fired, she was invited to his room at the Claremont and went, hoping to smooth things over.

This really isn't an "oops, I got this minor detail wrong." In at least one instance, she's either delusional or lying. And under the Today Show story, how did the volunteer coach even know she was staying at the Claremont? Maybe there's an explanation for that, but both stories on their own lead to some head scratching, and comparing the two leads to thinking ***?

Doesn't mean she wasn't harassed. Doesn't mean the coach didn't tell her he would get her fired if she didn't have sex. Doesn't mean a player didn't text what she claims. Doesn't mean she didn't get snuck into the volunteer coach's office when she was drunk and had some encounter that she doesn't really remember (the Today Show and Facebook stories were reasonably consistent with respect to this encounter). Doesn't mean her claims about being treated differently than other woman in terms of dress are untrue.

It does mean it is undisputed she has credibility issues. It does mean that to the extent that she doesn't have backup for any specific claims, she is not likely to be believed -- lie about one thing, no reason to believe you aren't lying about another. While nobody can be 100% consistent in telling a story multiple times (being inconsistent on minor details happens all the time), when it comes to major parts of the story, when it comes to details that there is no excuse for getting wrong, you'd better not be wildly inconsistent if you want credibility. Oddly, if she has serious mental health issues, it makes it more likely that she has some credibility in spite of wildly inconsistent stories.

More concerning is the NBC News reporter talking to other women who indicate sexual harassment. within Cal athletics, although as pointed out, the nature of those claims is unclear.

Regardless of the truth of any of this, I am quite confident that the culture of college athletics has come a long way, just as society in general has come a long way. I am also confident that the culture of college athletics has a long way to go, just as society in general has a long way to go.

Does anyone know when the Today Show interview was done? I am sort of surprised if the Office for the Prevention of Harassment and Discrimination has not reached out to her by now.

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The inconsistency in the Claremont story is pretty stark.

Facebook: "Every night before a Cal home game, the team stays in the Claremont, luxury hotel nearby. I was staying there with my mom that night, as she was visiting me for the weekend. I get a text from the coach. 'Meet me in my room'. I couldn't let my mom down, if I got fired she wouldn't be able to support me, so I said I was leaving for the night. When I got to his room, I was scared, so I just laid on the bed and tried to make small talk. He started taking his clothes off. I started crying uncontrollably. He yelled at me to get out of him room, and that he could **** any girl he wanted. From that point on I was still working for the team."

Today Show: AFTER she quit, and therefore no longer afraid to be fired, she was invited to his room at the Claremont and went, hoping to smooth things over.

This really isn't an "oops, I got this minor detail wrong." In at least one instance, she's either delusional or lying. And under the Today Show story, how did the volunteer coach even know she was staying at the Claremont? Maybe there's an explanation for that, but both stories on their own lead to some head scratching, and comparing the two leads to thinking ***?

Doesn't mean she wasn't harassed. Doesn't mean the coach didn't tell her he would get her fired if she didn't have sex. Doesn't mean a player didn't text what she claims. Doesn't mean she didn't get snuck into the volunteer coach's office when she was drunk and had some encounter that she doesn't really remember (the Today Show and Facebook stories were reasonably consistent with respect to this encounter). Doesn't mean her claims about being treated differently than other woman in terms of dress are untrue.

It does mean it is undisputed she has credibility issues. It does mean that to the extent that she doesn't have backup for any specific claims, she is not likely to be believed -- lie about one thing, no reason to believe you aren't lying about another. While nobody can be 100% consistent in telling a story multiple times (being inconsistent on minor details happens all the time), when it comes to major parts of the story, when it comes to details that there is no excuse for getting wrong, you'd better not be wildly inconsistent if you want credibility. Oddly, if she has serious mental health issues, it makes it more likely that she has some credibility in spite of wildly inconsistent stories.

More concerning is the NBC News reporter talking to other women who indicate sexual harassment. within Cal athletics, although as pointed out, the nature of those claims is unclear.

Regardless of the truth of any of this, I am quite confident that the culture of college athletics has come a long way, just as society in general has come a long way. I am also confident that the culture of college athletics has a long way to go, just as society in general has a long way to go.

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the shifting Claremont story is fantastic. Can she tell the truth? That's some pretty basic stuff there. What a calamity.

SonomanA1 said:

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Does anyone know when the Today Show interview was done? I am sort of surprised if the Office for the Prevention of Harassment and Discrimination has not reached out to her by now.

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I would guess and hope standard protocol when a harassment claim is made is for the Office to immediately reach out to the person making the complaint to let them know an investigation is being done. Am guessing some on the board connected to the University can confirm. That being said this person's "story" changes as it moves along so I would take her comments with a grain of salt.