Cal To Play At Notre Dame In 2022

pasadenaorbust said:

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Maybe have to be there for this, too...would give you chills a bit I think...



Beating Notre Dame would make the day perfect...

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Seriously, if starting at 1:56 that doesn't give you chills... well...

A little history on Touchdown Jesus...



I think there's somewhere in the Book of Luke where the Lord finishes one of his sermons to the apostles with "Go Bears!"...but have to check on that.

01Bear said:

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mbBear said:

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I will defer on the Reagan reference, but N. Dame still got lucky being the focus of a major motion picture.
I certainly wasn't bringing up his politics-has nothing to do with N. Dame.

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Sorry for the digression. I really agreed with your main points. I was just speaking to a minor factual point that really had no bearing on your position. My bad.

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Nah, all good. Some of my "main points" were a bit snarky, and over the top-I get the N. Dame allure but really am tired of it. Again, to their credit, they have maintained the message over decades, and did the "well, we need to see if you can academically cut it here before making your scholarship actionable" long before Furd did it.

pasadenaorbust said:

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A little history on Touchdown Jesus...



I think there's somewhere in the Book of Luke where the Lord finishes one of his sermons to the apostles with "Go Bears!"...but have to check on that.

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The Old Testament is very clear about having to wear blue. In Numbers...

When was the last time Cal played a "buy game" as the "bought" team--i.e. got paid to play a one-off game in another team's stadium without a return trip by the other team? Sincere question; not trying to make a point. I can't think of the last time.

tequila4kapp said:

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My gosh, what a bunch of complainers. Okay, what we know right now isn't perfect. Well **** us all, the world is coming to an end.

Reality check - we'd have 25k in the stands for that crappy home game (even though they'd say it was 38k) and people would ***** that our home schedule sucked because of it. This increases our exposure and gives us something else to sell in recruiting. And not for nothing but ND hasn't exactly been ND for a while. We may well just go to South Bend and kick their asses. Finally, making these kinds of changes to our schedule seems like a sign that JT is here for the long haul, which is a great thing.

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I hope you meant JW. (JT is at Fresno)

mbBear said:

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01Bear said:

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mbBear said:

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I will defer on the Reagan reference, but N. Dame still got lucky being the focus of a major motion picture.
I certainly wasn't bringing up his politics-has nothing to do with N. Dame.

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Sorry for the digression. I really agreed with your main points. I was just speaking to a minor factual point that really had no bearing on your position. My bad.

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Nah, all good. Some of my "main points" were a bit snarky, and over the top-I get the N. Dame allure but really am tired of it. Again, to their credit, they have maintained the message over decades, and did the "well, we need to see if you can academically cut it here before making your scholarship actionable" long before Furd did it.

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I agreed with the snark. Heck, I loved that snark!

Calcoholic said:

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When was the last time Cal played a "buy game" as the "bought" team--i.e. got paid to play a one-off game in another team's stadium without a return trip by the other team? Sincere question; not trying to make a point. I can't think of the last time.

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Cal played @ Florida in 1974 and 1980 with no return. Not sure the finances then allowed for 'buy' games, but I sure hope they paid Cal's airfare at least.

Cal played @ BC in 1986 - maybe that was supposed to be a home and home that got cancelled?

@ Arkansas in 1971
@ Alabama in 1973
@ Georgia in 1976, 1981
@ Nebraska in 1978
@ Oklahoma 1976

Hey, while Notre Dame may not be special in any objective sense, the game may help us a bit with recruiting, and that makes them special subjectively.
Or will it help recruiting?
Can't hurt, right?

heartofthebear said:

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Hey, while Notre Dame may not be special in any objective sense, the game may help us a bit with recruiting, and that makes them special subjectively.
Or will it help recruiting?
Can't hurt, right?

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Unless we win the game, it's hard to see how it's a big recruiting boon. I don't think Indiana is a particularly talent-rich state for football and the game is early enough in the year that it's probably not going to get an unusual amount of attention other than the usual amount of attention that any Notre Dame gets.

If we win the game, then that's one more thing we can reference as a sign of the quality of the program. But then for all we know, we may be coming off of two consecutive conference championships in football by then and won't need more validation...

Hei Bei said:

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heartofthebear said:

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Hey, while Notre Dame may not be special in any objective sense, the game may help us a bit with recruiting, and that makes them special subjectively.
Or will it help recruiting?
Can't hurt, right?

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Unless we win the game, it's hard to see how it's a big recruiting boon. I don't think Indiana is a particularly talent-rich state for football and the game is early enough in the year that it's probably not going to get an unusual amount of attention other than the usual amount of attention that any Notre Dame gets.

If we win the game, then that's one more thing we can reference as a sign of the quality of the program. But then for all we know, we may be coming off of two consecutive conference championships in football by then and won't need more validation...

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I was under the impression that kids get excited about being able to play against national powerhouses. I'm not saying it would be nearly as big of a talking point as having beaten a national powerhouse recently, but I think it could still be a talking point.

Hei Bei said:

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heartofthebear said:

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Hey, while Notre Dame may not be special in any objective sense, the game may help us a bit with recruiting, and that makes them special subjectively.
Or will it help recruiting?
Can't hurt, right?

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Unless we win the game, it's hard to see how it's a big recruiting boon. I don't think Indiana is a particularly talent-rich state for football and the game is early enough in the year that it's probably not going to get an unusual amount of attention other than the usual amount of attention that any Notre Dame gets.

If we win the game, then that's one more thing we can reference as a sign of the quality of the program. But then for all we know, we may be coming off of two consecutive conference championships in football by then and won't need more validation...

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I didn't know until I looked at a map this week: South Bend is actually close to a certain LARGE U.S. city (not in Indiana).

01Bear said:

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calumnus said:

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01Bear said:

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mbBear said:

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pasadenaorbust said:

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Perhaps many have already been to South Bend...but it doesn't seem some here appreciate the history that goes along with that school. Regardless if you dislike Notre Dame now...it is steeped in history and tradition. Forget for a moment the great players who have played for the school (including Joe Montana), It means playing a team that gave us Knute Rockne, the Four Horsemen of Notre Dame, the great teams under Ara Parseghian and the Notre Dame Victory March. I do not follow the Irish as a fan, but what other team could have a former U.S. president give a speech like this...

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Pappy Waldorf had more wins than Rockne. The story of Joe Roth is better on every level than the most over-rated sports movie of all time, "Rudy."
The Four Horseman were great because of Grantland Rice. If he had written about the Wonder Teams (same time period) then Cal would have had a signature piece.
The song is good...Michigan's is comparable, but that's subjective. Joe Montana was great. Aaron Rodgers, is allowed in the same sentence. Notre Dame has had way more Casey Clausen types (big hype, under-achieving).
Ronald Reagan was a huge actor at that time...Notre Dame got lucky...ask Iowa about Kevin Costner.
Notre Dame is the best at maintaining a brand, and staying on message-certainly number one in college sports, and, maybe in all of sports, or following the Yankees.

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I only have one minor quibble. Ronald Reagan was not a major (movie) star at the time. He was (at best) a B-movie actor. Reagan wouldn't really achieve any level of fame as an actor until after the war when he was the host of CBS's General Electric Theatre. That show made him a "trusted" personality (much as Alex Trebek is a "trusted" personality in our time. Reagan was wise and fortunate enough to parlay that level of trust into a political career. However, as Cal alumni, we all know Reagan's feelings about the Free Speech Movement, which may have led to his policies to cut funding to the UC system when he was governor.

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Not just cutting funding, calling for a "bloodbath," sending helicopters to teargass the Cal campus and ordering the National Guard to open fire on Cal students, injuring 50, resulting in one death and permanent disability for others.

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Wow! It was that bad?* How can any self-respecting Cal alum ever honor Ronald Reagan?

*Seriously, I didn't know it got that bad. If I had ever been inclined to like Ronald Reagan before, any such inclination is out the window now. (I mean this seriously, without any hint of sarcasm or snark.)

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It was that bad. Reagan had a personal war with UCBerkeley

I grew up in a socially liberal, fiscally conservative, predominantly Republican community that had its share of Cal grads. The Republicans nominated Reagan and the voting patterns turned on a dime. A Republican presidential candidate hasn't won there since Ford.

OaktownBear said:

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01Bear said:

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calumnus said:

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01Bear said:

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mbBear said:

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pasadenaorbust said:

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Perhaps many have already been to South Bend...but it doesn't seem some here appreciate the history that goes along with that school. Regardless if you dislike Notre Dame now...it is steeped in history and tradition. Forget for a moment the great players who have played for the school (including Joe Montana), It means playing a team that gave us Knute Rockne, the Four Horsemen of Notre Dame, the great teams under Ara Parseghian and the Notre Dame Victory March. I do not follow the Irish as a fan, but what other team could have a former U.S. president give a speech like this...

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Pappy Waldorf had more wins than Rockne. The story of Joe Roth is better on every level than the most over-rated sports movie of all time, "Rudy."
The Four Horseman were great because of Grantland Rice. If he had written about the Wonder Teams (same time period) then Cal would have had a signature piece.
The song is good...Michigan's is comparable, but that's subjective. Joe Montana was great. Aaron Rodgers, is allowed in the same sentence. Notre Dame has had way more Casey Clausen types (big hype, under-achieving).
Ronald Reagan was a huge actor at that time...Notre Dame got lucky...ask Iowa about Kevin Costner.
Notre Dame is the best at maintaining a brand, and staying on message-certainly number one in college sports, and, maybe in all of sports, or following the Yankees.

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I only have one minor quibble. Ronald Reagan was not a major (movie) star at the time. He was (at best) a B-movie actor. Reagan wouldn't really achieve any level of fame as an actor until after the war when he was the host of CBS's General Electric Theatre. That show made him a "trusted" personality (much as Alex Trebek is a "trusted" personality in our time. Reagan was wise and fortunate enough to parlay that level of trust into a political career. However, as Cal alumni, we all know Reagan's feelings about the Free Speech Movement, which may have led to his policies to cut funding to the UC system when he was governor.

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Not just cutting funding, calling for a "bloodbath," sending helicopters to teargass the Cal campus and ordering the National Guard to open fire on Cal students, injuring 50, resulting in one death and permanent disability for others.

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Wow! It was that bad?* How can any self-respecting Cal alum ever honor Ronald Reagan?

*Seriously, I didn't know it got that bad. If I had ever been inclined to like Ronald Reagan before, any such inclination is out the window now. (I mean this seriously, without any hint of sarcasm or snark.)

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It was that bad. Reagan had a personal war with UCBerkeley

I grew up in a socially liberal, fiscally conservative, predominantly Republican community that had its share of Cal grads. The Republicans nominated Reagan and the voting patterns turned on a dime. A Republican presidential candidate hasn't won there since Ford.

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So you grew up in one of 3 counties that Reagan didn't win in 1980? Reagan won the state by 17%. He actually won close to 40% in San Francisco.

TheFiatLux said:

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OaktownBear said:

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01Bear said:

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calumnus said:

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01Bear said:

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mbBear said:

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pasadenaorbust said:

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Perhaps many have already been to South Bend...but it doesn't seem some here appreciate the history that goes along with that school. Regardless if you dislike Notre Dame now...it is steeped in history and tradition. Forget for a moment the great players who have played for the school (including Joe Montana), It means playing a team that gave us Knute Rockne, the Four Horsemen of Notre Dame, the great teams under Ara Parseghian and the Notre Dame Victory March. I do not follow the Irish as a fan, but what other team could have a former U.S. president give a speech like this...

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Pappy Waldorf had more wins than Rockne. The story of Joe Roth is better on every level than the most over-rated sports movie of all time, "Rudy."
The Four Horseman were great because of Grantland Rice. If he had written about the Wonder Teams (same time period) then Cal would have had a signature piece.
The song is good...Michigan's is comparable, but that's subjective. Joe Montana was great. Aaron Rodgers, is allowed in the same sentence. Notre Dame has had way more Casey Clausen types (big hype, under-achieving).
Ronald Reagan was a huge actor at that time...Notre Dame got lucky...ask Iowa about Kevin Costner.
Notre Dame is the best at maintaining a brand, and staying on message-certainly number one in college sports, and, maybe in all of sports, or following the Yankees.

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I only have one minor quibble. Ronald Reagan was not a major (movie) star at the time. He was (at best) a B-movie actor. Reagan wouldn't really achieve any level of fame as an actor until after the war when he was the host of CBS's General Electric Theatre. That show made him a "trusted" personality (much as Alex Trebek is a "trusted" personality in our time. Reagan was wise and fortunate enough to parlay that level of trust into a political career. However, as Cal alumni, we all know Reagan's feelings about the Free Speech Movement, which may have led to his policies to cut funding to the UC system when he was governor.

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Not just cutting funding, calling for a "bloodbath," sending helicopters to teargass the Cal campus and ordering the National Guard to open fire on Cal students, injuring 50, resulting in one death and permanent disability for others.

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Wow! It was that bad?* How can any self-respecting Cal alum ever honor Ronald Reagan?

*Seriously, I didn't know it got that bad. If I had ever been inclined to like Ronald Reagan before, any such inclination is out the window now. (I mean this seriously, without any hint of sarcasm or snark.)

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It was that bad. Reagan had a personal war with UCBerkeley

I grew up in a socially liberal, fiscally conservative, predominantly Republican community that had its share of Cal grads. The Republicans nominated Reagan and the voting patterns turned on a dime. A Republican presidential candidate hasn't won there since Ford.

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So you grew up in one of 3 counties that Reagan didn't win in 1980? Reagan won the state by 17%. He actually won close to 40% in San Francisco.

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I wasn't referring to county, but the county I grew up in went from significantly Republican to voting Democrat since 1984. Yes voted for Mondale. Yes it's Marin since that will be obvious when you compare maps

Take a look at the shade of red in the 1976 map compared to 1980 and then going blue in 1984