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Three test positive?
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Only three sounds pretty remarkable!
Sports Illustrated and the East Bay Times have articles confirming.
This is from another thread on this. I normally wouldn't post from Insider to the free boards, but this is free info.
From mods: Three athletes who tested positive for covid were from 90+ Cal athletes from multiple sports tested won't delay the start of workout for teams, just for individuals.
From Sebastabear:
Quote:
Less than two weeks after the school announced student-athletes could return to campus, three of 96 tests have returned positive for COVID-19.
[Jeff Faraudo] reporting that Cal student-athletes have tested positive for COVID-19.
Responding to a request from Cal Sports Report, Cal Athletics on Tuesday confirmed three student-athletes have tested positive for COVID-19 after returning to campus for voluntary workouts. The athletic department said it tested 96 student-athletes most of them football players at University Health Services (UHS) coinciding with their arrival back on campus.
In response, the university has begun "contact tracing and testing protocols". There is no word on the severity of their symptoms, but one of the student-athletes left the Bay Area to return home.
Voluntary athletic activities have not yet begun for any of our teams, but student-athletes were allowed to return to campus on June 17 per an announcement made by the university on that day. These workouts will be delayed, with their start dependent on the results of their contact tracing.
From mods: Three athletes who tested positive for covid were from 90+ Cal athletes from multiple sports tested won't delay the start of workout for teams, just for individuals.
From Sebastabear:
Quote:
Less than two weeks after the school announced student-athletes could return to campus, three of 96 tests have returned positive for COVID-19.
[Jeff Faraudo] reporting that Cal student-athletes have tested positive for COVID-19.
Responding to a request from Cal Sports Report, Cal Athletics on Tuesday confirmed three student-athletes have tested positive for COVID-19 after returning to campus for voluntary workouts. The athletic department said it tested 96 student-athletes most of them football players at University Health Services (UHS) coinciding with their arrival back on campus.
In response, the university has begun "contact tracing and testing protocols". There is no word on the severity of their symptoms, but one of the student-athletes left the Bay Area to return home.
Voluntary athletic activities have not yet begun for any of our teams, but student-athletes were allowed to return to campus on June 17 per an announcement made by the university on that day. These workouts will be delayed, with their start dependent on the results of their contact tracing.
Ohkay, as the very last option i'll run with the herd. Except the price is so very verry high, burritos. Spit-balled by a random manburritos said:
We need herd immunity. Or in our case we need sloth or sleuth immunity. A vaccine isn't going to get us to the promised land.
Huh, high holy grail vaccine, whenever, doesn't seem all that bad anymore.
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burritos said:We need herd immunity. Or in our case we need sloth or sleuth immunity. A vaccine isn't going to get us to the promised land.
AFAIK, we have NO idea if or how long someone who has recovered from COVID-19 is "immune." Until we know that, herd immunity is a hope and/or a prayer.
The death rate for people in their 20s with no existing health conditions is minuscule, if we're sticking to football here.smh said:Ohkay, as the very last option i'll run with the herd. Except the price is so very verry high, burritos. Spit-balled by a random manburritos said:
We need herd immunity. Or in our case we need sloth or sleuth immunity. A vaccine isn't going to get us to the promised land.inoff the street at, dunno, w.a.g. of 5 or 10% death rate getting there? So globally as much as a Billion (with a b) souls. Or a by God's miraculous blessing just tenth of that. We all good with 100 million fresh graves, more than 3 mil for Amuricans?
Huh, high holy grail vaccine, whenever, doesn't seem all that bad anymore.
good point, thanks gmp. nor can we suppose how long a vaccine might do it's magicGMP said:
AFAIK, we have NO idea if or how long someone who has recovered from COVID-19 is "immune." Until we know that, herd immunity is a hope and/or a prayer.
# a brave new world
muting ~250 handles, turnaround is fair play
Fine. Shut down. I'll give the benefit of the doubt to Americans that they'll tolerate another round of 2-3 months of SIP and then open up into what, fall and winter when flu season is the worst? We are suffering melancholia because deep down inside, we know a lot more people are going to die(not 3 mill, probably 1/10 that in 'merica) no matter what we do. It'll happen quickly or over the course of a 1-2 year depending on what kind of haphazard plan we roll out.smh said:Ohkay, as the very last option i'll run with the herd. Except the price is so very verry high, burritos. Spit-balled by a random manburritos said:
We need herd immunity. Or in our case we need sloth or sleuth immunity. A vaccine isn't going to get us to the promised land.inoff the street at, dunno, w.a.g. of 5 or 10% death rate getting there? So globally as much as a Billion (with a b) souls. Or a by God's miraculous blessing just tenth of that. We all good with 100 million fresh graves, more than 3 mil for Amuricans?
Huh, high holy grail vaccine, whenever, doesn't seem all that bad anymore.
off topic football, guilty as charged, thanks Strykur.Strykur said:
The death rate for people in their 20s with no existing health conditions is minuscule, if we're sticking to football here.
signed, socialist security bears R us.
muting ~250 handles, turnaround is fair play
...from what I see....the worst is yet to come...like I've noted that a lot of virologist after awhile get religion...smh said:off topic football, guilty as charged, thanks Strykur.Strykur said:
The death rate for people in their 20s with no existing health conditions is minuscule, if we're sticking to football here.
signed, socialist security bears R us.
what I mean, you guysare talking rightfully about an identified virus....what is coming however is a mutation of that virus...it is changing to survive... and will adjust accordingly like its thinking human host....we find some people (maybe many) are asymptomatic....well the virus has already figured out how to strengthen its outer projections making it more infectious, that is able to attack by attaching itself to the differing cells in your body...no one knows when a virus
calls it quits?
I'm down.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/emilyprice/2020/06/27/researchers-are-looking-at-cannabis-as-a-potential-way-to-prevent-covid-19/#50a71701d885
Think the players would be interested?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/emilyprice/2020/06/27/researchers-are-looking-at-cannabis-as-a-potential-way-to-prevent-covid-19/#50a71701d885
Think the players would be interested?
burritos said:Fine. Shut down. I'll give the benefit of the doubt to Americans that they'll tolerate another round of 2-3 months of SIP and then open up into what, fall and winter when flu season is the worst? We are suffering melancholia because deep down inside, we know a lot more people are going to die(not 3 mill, probably 1/10 that in 'merica) no matter what we do. It'll happen quickly or over the course of a 1-2 year depending on what kind of haphazard plan we roll out.smh said:Ohkay, as the very last option i'll run with the herd. Except the price is so very verry high, burritos. Spit-balled by a random manburritos said:
We need herd immunity. Or in our case we need sloth or sleuth immunity. A vaccine isn't going to get us to the promised land.inoff the street at, dunno, w.a.g. of 5 or 10% death rate getting there? So globally as much as a Billion (with a b) souls. Or a by God's miraculous blessing just tenth of that. We all good with 100 million fresh graves, more than 3 mil for Amuricans?
Huh, high holy grail vaccine, whenever, doesn't seem all that bad anymore.
I think we should only shut down again if the hospitals are about to be overwhelmed. A question there, though, is define "about to be". At that point, though, we need to shut down for a few weeks or so. Other than that...
+ Protect the most vulnerable among us.
+ Masks, social distance, etc.
+ Keep ramping up on the testing, contact tracing. antibody testing and PPE
+ Educate and encourage the public to not do stupid stuff (apparently harder than it seems). "Reopening the economy" does not equal "back to normal, do whatever".
Looks like we are in this for the long haul. Damn.
Asymptomatic people could still test positive for the virus. I'm surprised numbers are as low as they are. Demonstrations and increased testing alone would raise numbers. Wanna bet sacramento tries to shut it all down again?
You are not actually expecting Football, are you? If they play I think at least one coach will die, though I hope not.TomBear said:
Asymptomatic people could still test positive for the virus. I'm surprised numbers are as low as they are. Demonstrations and increased testing alone would raise numbers. Wanna bet sacramento tries to shut it all down again?
Go Bears!
I think it is going to be a real hodgepodge affair. I don't think anyone will play a full schedule, most will play as many as possible (by mixing and matching opponents on a weekly basis) and the rest will cancel their schedule.oskidunker said:You are not actually expecting Football, are you? If they play I think at least one coach will die, though I hope not.TomBear said:
Asymptomatic people could still test positive for the virus. I'm surprised numbers are as low as they are. Demonstrations and increased testing alone would raise numbers. Wanna bet sacramento tries to shut it all down again?
The NFL just cut the exhibition schedule in half. Next will probably be a reshuffling of the regular season schedule.
It is unfortunate because this could have been avoided had the US taken the entire situation more seriously.
burritos said:Fine. Shut down. I'll give the benefit of the doubt to Americans that they'll tolerate another round of 2-3 months of SIP and then open up into what, fall and winter when flu season is the worst? We are suffering melancholia because deep down inside, we know a lot more people are going to die(not 3 mill, probably 1/10 that in 'merica) no matter what we do. It'll happen quickly or over the course of a 1-2 year depending on what kind of haphazard plan we roll out.smh said:Ohkay, as the very last option i'll run with the herd. Except the price is so very verry high, burritos. Spit-balled by a random manburritos said:
We need herd immunity. Or in our case we need sloth or sleuth immunity. A vaccine isn't going to get us to the promised land.inoff the street at, dunno, w.a.g. of 5 or 10% death rate getting there? So globally as much as a Billion (with a b) souls. Or a by God's miraculous blessing just tenth of that. We all good with 100 million fresh graves, more than 3 mil for Amuricans?
Huh, high holy grail vaccine, whenever, doesn't seem all that bad anymore.
One day at presidential security briefing:
"Is someone supposed to come up with a plan??!!!
Why doesn't Someone tell me these things??!!
NOBODY would have thought being President would have been better his hard!!!!!!"
71Bear said:
It is unfortunate because this could have been avoided had the US taken the entire situation more seriously.
Quote:
in casablanca..
Captain Renault: I'm shocked! Shocked to find that gambling is going on in here.
[a croupier hands Renault a pile of money]
Croupier: Your winnings, sir.
Captain Renault: [sotto voce] Oh, thank you very much. [aloud] Everybody out at once.
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This interesting tweet storm explains why the impact of later covid infections should be less than the first one. It is good news.GMP said:burritos said:
AFAIK, we have NO idea if or how long someone who has recovered from COVID-19 is "immune." Until we know that, herd immunity is a hope and/or a prayer.
Herd immunity might come with a vaccine, not before.
Sluggo
Easier said than done. Should we have shut down for SARS, MERS, west nile virus, ebola, every flu season which creeps up over average? That is a big ask for people who "want liberty" and don't want to be told what is good for them. And we aren't Taiwan singapore or New Zealand. We are a continent of multiple different countries and peoples who pretend to be a single united country.
It could have been done easily had the leadership of this country taken the virus seriously (i.e., acknowledge the crisis, shut everything down in every state [yes, the federal gov't can control the actions of the states through the use of financial threats - see laws pertaining to the drinking age] and emphasis the need to take precautions when outside (masks/social distancing). Better to take a large dose of medicine once than a drip at a time over a long period........burritos said:
Easier said than done. Should we have shut down for SARS, MERS, west nile virus, ebola, every flu season which creeps up over average? That is a big ask for people who "want liberty" and don't want to be told what is good for them. And we aren't Taiwan singapore or New Zealand. We are a continent of multiple different countries and peoples who pretend to be a single united country.
Australia is a continent of multiple cultures, governed by confederate states that do not cooperate with each other, and many different people groups.burritos said:
Easier said than done. Should we have shut down for SARS, MERS, west nile virus, ebola, every flu season which creeps up over average? That is a big ask for people who "want liberty" and don't want to be told what is good for them. And we aren't Taiwan singapore or New Zealand. We are a continent of multiple different countries and peoples who pretend to be a single united country.
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Australia (right wing fed. government) = 25 million people, 104 Covid deaths.
New Zealand (left wing fed. government) = 5 million people, 22 Covid deaths
Michigan (democrat gov.) = 10 million people, 5951 Covid deaths.
Massachusetts (democrat gov.) = 7 million people, 8,054 Covid deaths.
Florida (rep. gov) = 21 million people, 3550 covid deaths.
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This no about left vs. right. This not about politics. It is about competence vs. incompetence.
Competent right wing governments all over the world are solving this problem. Incompetent right wing governments are failing to solve the problem.
Competent left wing governments all over the world are solving this problem. Incompetent left wing governments are failing to solve the problem.
71Bear said:It could have been done easily had the leadership of this country taken the virus seriously (i.e., acknowledge the crisis, shut everything down in every state [yes, the federal gov't can control the actions of the states through the use of financial threats - see laws pertaining to the drinking age] and emphasis the need to take precautions when outside (masks/social distancing). Better to take a large dose of medicine once than a drip at a time over a long period........burritos said:
Easier said than done. Should we have shut down for SARS, MERS, west nile virus, ebola, every flu season which creeps up over average? That is a big ask for people who "want liberty" and don't want to be told what is good for them. And we aren't Taiwan singapore or New Zealand. We are a continent of multiple different countries and peoples who pretend to be a single united country.
WAY easier said than done. "Shut down" much before March 15th was almost unthinkable. Thereabouts or after pretty much already happened and didn't do enough good. Plus, we didn't have the testing and contact tracing ready to go.
The government has botched this left and right, going back even prior to 2020, surely. But in order to have gotten us to a place where we'd basically be okay today would've taken a 20/20 hindsight that is unrealistic, given current realities in America. We're learning a lesson -- the hard way -- about preparedness, for when we meet a pandemic that has a higher fatality rate.
TY Cal Strong!
Go Bears!
Cal Strong!
Go Bears!
Cal Strong!
I didn't know a virus was a living thing. It may mutate and become stronger. It could also mutate and become weaker. But I never heard of a virus adapting in order to survive because, as far as I know, they aren't.Blueblood said:...from what I see....the worst is yet to come...like I've noted that a lot of virologist after awhile get religion...smh said:off topic football, guilty as charged, thanks Strykur.Strykur said:
The death rate for people in their 20s with no existing health conditions is minuscule, if we're sticking to football here.
signed, socialist security bears R us.
what I mean, you guysare talking rightfully about an identified virus....what is coming however is a mutation of that virus...it is changing to survive... and will adjust accordingly like its thinking human host....we find some people (maybe many) are asymptomatic....well the virus has already figured out how to strengthen its outer projections making it more infectious, that is able to attack by attaching itself to the differing cells in your body...no one knows when a virus
calls it quits?
Whether a virus is a living thing or not, depends upon your definition of life. Arguments over the life/not life status of viruses are often rooted in evolutionary biology and theories of the origins of life. While a virion is biologically inert and may be considered 'dead' in the same way that a bacterial spore or a seed is, once delivered to the appropriate environment, I believe that viruses are very much alive. I therefore ask why would a virus adapt but for to survive?heartofthebear said:
I didn't know a virus was a living thing. It may mutate and become stronger. It could also mutate and become weaker. But I never heard of a virus adapting in order to survive because, as far as I know, they aren't.
The problem is that we are just metabolically unhealthy. We've been eating primarily processed foods for the last 80 years and that makes us not only susceptible to the long long lists of chronic medical conditions that we americans already suffer from, but guess what? It makes us susceptible to novel infections. Western nations whose populations have been raised and addicted to processed foods makes us sick. The chickens are coming home to roost regardless of what people think, do, or think they can do. Put your seat belts on cause we're in for a ride.
Okay.Blueblood said:Whether a virus is a living thing or not, depends upon your definition of life. Arguments over the life/not life status of viruses are often rooted in evolutionary biology and theories of the origins of life. While a virion is biologically inert and may be considered 'dead' in the same way that a bacterial spore or a seed is, once delivered to the appropriate environment, I believe that viruses are very much alive. I therefore ask why would a virus adapt but for to survive?heartofthebear said:
I didn't know a virus was a living thing. It may mutate and become stronger. It could also mutate and become weaker. But I never heard of a virus adapting in order to survive because, as far as I know, they aren't.
But maybe we should focus on our own evolution rather than the viruses. We are infinitely more powerful than these viruses, unless of course we weaken ourselves. Maybe the virus is our friend, helping us to make better decisions about our health. Clearly we can live quite successfully alongside these viruses. We probably already have hundreds of these in our bodies. Eradication and vaccination may be the wrong approach for many of us, even vaccines are safe and effective.
https://www.cshl.edu/the-non-human-living-inside-of-you/#:~:text=The%20human%20genome%20contains%20billions,to%20have%20a%20viral%20origin.heartofthebear said:Okay.Blueblood said:Whether a virus is a living thing or not, depends upon your definition of life. Arguments over the life/not life status of viruses are often rooted in evolutionary biology and theories of the origins of life. While a virion is biologically inert and may be considered 'dead' in the same way that a bacterial spore or a seed is, once delivered to the appropriate environment, I believe that viruses are very much alive. I therefore ask why would a virus adapt but for to survive?heartofthebear said:
I didn't know a virus was a living thing. It may mutate and become stronger. It could also mutate and become weaker. But I never heard of a virus adapting in order to survive because, as far as I know, they aren't.
But maybe we should focus on our own evolution rather than the viruses. We are infinitely more powerful than these viruses, unless of course we weaken ourselves. Maybe the virus is our friend, helping us to make better decisions about our health. Clearly we can live quite successfully alongside these viruses. We probably already have hundreds of these in our bodies. Irradiation and vaccination may be the wrong approach for many of us, even vaccines are safe and effective.
Quote:
Eight percent of our DNA consists of remnants of ancient viruses, and another 40 percent is made up of repetitive strings of genetic letters that is also thought to have a viral origin.
Total baloney! You've been watching too much Bill Maher! He's a food Nazi and fat shamer extraordinaire! I love him for everything else, but his absurd stance on food. It's actually a religion for him. He's completely irrational and unscientific when it comes to this.burritos said:
The problem is that we are just metabolically unhealthy. We've been eating primarily processed foods for the last 80 years and that makes us not only susceptible to the long long lists of chronic medical conditions that we americans already suffer from, but guess what? It makes us susceptible to novel infections. Western nations whose populations have been raised and addicted to processed foods makes us sick. The chickens are coming home to roost regardless of what people think, do, or think they can do. Put your seat belts on cause we're in for a ride.
Did you say this when AIDS hit the world? SARS? The 1918 flu? Will Americans succumb to Ebola because they're fat? (Conversely, Africans are pretty damn thin, so by your argument, Ebola shouldn't be a problem. Absurd.)
No. It's a novel virus. Viruses do this. And they will continue to do this.
Sure, we could and should be healthier. But we go to war with the army we have, not the one we WISH we had.
Plus, if you make this argument without discussing the underlying causes (which is mainly corporate greed, lack of regulation, wealth concentration and unbridled love of a supposed free market), you're wasting your and our time.
Cheap food from places like MacDonalds and no access to quality food in poor communities is just ONE example.
Our schools serving absolute JUNK in cafeterias is another. (Profit motive means sell crap food en masse to school systems. Make money, feed developing kids junk. Wow, great!)
Lack of universal health coverage.
Lack of economic opportunity.
Lack of proper retirement plans for 2/3 of Americans.
Flat wages (minimum wage flat since 1960).
American Dream evaporating.
All in this NY Times piece:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/24/opinion/income-wealth-inequality-america.html?action=click&pgtype=Article&state=default&module=styln-opinion-inequality-series&variant=show®ion=MAIN_CONTENT_2&context=storylines_related_links
All this leads to poor health outcomes.
Or we could just take reasonable precautions, shut down when necessary and develop a vaccine ASAP. We'll do this WAY SOONER than address the systemic problems in American society.
If you think we're collectively healthy, then we should keep doing what we're doing. As someone who tries to advocate for health through food, I understand that the message often is not received or welcomed. I admit that can certainly be the messenger's fault. And I apologize if it comes off as food shaming. But for those who receive the message, it can be beneficial.TandemBear said:Total baloney! You've been watching too much Bill Maher! He's a food Nazi and fat shamer extraordinaire! I love him for everything else, but his absurd stance on food. It's actually a religion for him. He's completely irrational and unscientific when it comes to this.burritos said:
The problem is that we are just metabolically unhealthy. We've been eating primarily processed foods for the last 80 years and that makes us not only susceptible to the long long lists of chronic medical conditions that we americans already suffer from, but guess what? It makes us susceptible to novel infections. Western nations whose populations have been raised and addicted to processed foods makes us sick. The chickens are coming home to roost regardless of what people think, do, or think they can do. Put your seat belts on cause we're in for a ride.
Did you say this when AIDS hit the world? SARS? The 1918 flu? Will Americans succumb to Ebola because they're fat? (Conversely, Africans are pretty damn thin, so by your argument, Ebola shouldn't be a problem. Absurd.)
No. It's a novel virus. Viruses do this. And they will continue to do this.
Sure, we could and should be healthier. But we go to war with the army we have, not the one we WISH we had.
Plus, if you make this argument without discussing the underlying causes (which is mainly corporate greed, lack of regulation, wealth concentration and unbridled love of a supposed free market), you're wasting your and our time.
Cheap food from places like MacDonalds and no access to quality food in poor communities is just ONE example.
Our schools serving absolute JUNK in cafeterias is another. (Profit motive means sell crap food en masse to school systems. Make money, feed developing kids junk. Wow, great!)
Lack of universal health coverage.
Lack of economic opportunity.
Lack of proper retirement plans for 2/3 of Americans.
Flat wages (minimum wage flat since 1960).
American Dream evaporating.
All in this NY Times piece:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/24/opinion/income-wealth-inequality-america.html?action=click&pgtype=Article&state=default&module=styln-opinion-inequality-series&variant=show®ion=MAIN_CONTENT_2&context=storylines_related_links
All this leads to poor health outcomes.
Or we could just take reasonable precautions, shut down when necessary and develop a vaccine ASAP. We'll do this WAY SOONER than address the systemic problems in American society.
TandemBear said:Total baloney! You've been watching too much Bill Maher! He's a food Nazi and fat shamer extraordinaire! I love him for everything else, but his absurd stance on food. It's actually a religion for him. He's completely irrational and unscientific when it comes to this.burritos said:
The problem is that we are just metabolically unhealthy. We've been eating primarily processed foods for the last 80 years and that makes us not only susceptible to the long long lists of chronic medical conditions that we americans already suffer from, but guess what? It makes us susceptible to novel infections. Western nations whose populations have been raised and addicted to processed foods makes us sick. The chickens are coming home to roost regardless of what people think, do, or think they can do. Put your seat belts on cause we're in for a ride.
Did you say this when AIDS hit the world? SARS? The 1918 flu? Will Americans succumb to Ebola because they're fat? (Conversely, Africans are pretty damn thin, so by your argument, Ebola shouldn't be a problem. Absurd.)
No. It's a novel virus. Viruses do this. And they will continue to do this.
Sure, we could and should be healthier. But we go to war with the army we have, not the one we WISH we had.
Plus, if you make this argument without discussing the underlying causes (which is mainly corporate greed, lack of regulation, wealth concentration and unbridled love of a supposed free market), you're wasting your and our time.
Cheap food from places like MacDonalds and no access to quality food in poor communities is just ONE example.
Our schools serving absolute JUNK in cafeterias is another. (Profit motive means sell crap food en masse to school systems. Make money, feed developing kids junk. Wow, great!)
Lack of universal health coverage.
Lack of economic opportunity.
Lack of proper retirement plans for 2/3 of Americans.
Flat wages (minimum wage flat since 1960).
American Dream evaporating.
All in this NY Times piece:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/24/opinion/income-wealth-inequality-america.html?action=click&pgtype=Article&state=default&module=styln-opinion-inequality-series&variant=show®ion=MAIN_CONTENT_2&context=storylines_related_links
All this leads to poor health outcomes.
Or we could just take reasonable precautions, shut down when necessary and develop a vaccine ASAP. We'll do this WAY SOONER than address the systemic problems in American society.
TandemBear, you sound like YOU'VE been watching too much Bill Maher! Er, wait...
Actually, I'VE been watching too much Bill Maher. He goes a little overboard on the nutrition, but he has brought up a good point: When have we heard a SINGLE national or local health expert tell us, over the past 3-4 months, that individuals can have a better chance against the coronavirus if they eat a good diet, get regular exercise and enough sleep. Three months is enough time for people to transform their health and reverse some of their "underlying conditions", but people don't want to hear anything as mundane as that, that puts even more of the onus on self-discipline and sacrifice.
Totally agree on the economic factors, of course. So does Bill Maher, if I'm not mistaken.
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