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Friend had appointment at Kaiser cancelled this week. He is 70. They told him he might be rescheduled for March. They are running low on vaccine. I hope they dont start cancelling second shots.

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My understanding is that the second vaccine supply is separate from the first vaccine supply. We should be ok.

How is herd immunity achieved when people who are fully vaccinated are still required to wear masks and socially distance? Doesn't that mean that scientists think vaccinated people are likely carriers, so herd immunity cannot be achieved?

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Friend had appointment at Kaiser cancelled this week. He is 70. They told him he might be rescheduled for March. They are running low on vaccine. I hope they dont start cancelling second shots.

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My understanding is that the second vaccine supply is separate from the first vaccine supply. We should be ok.

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I'm pretty sure they have recently decided to not reserve a supply of vaccines for "seconds", thinking that that might contribute to a bottleneck that would lessen the number of people who are able to get "firsts" (which is most important). People who are up for seconds will need to rely on the steady production/distribution of the vaccine. If they miss their "deadline" by a week or two, it's not that big of a deal.

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How is herd immunity achieved when people who are fully vaccinated are still required to wear masks and socially distance? Doesn't that mean that scientists think vaccinated people are likely carriers, so herd immunity cannot be achieved?

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i've heard experts say that the vaccine prevents you from having to get hospitalized, but it doesn't keep you from getting infected. Think of it like flu shots.

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Friend had appointment at Kaiser cancelled this week. He is 70. They told him he might be rescheduled for March. They are running low on vaccine. I hope they dont start cancelling second shots.

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My understanding is that the second vaccine supply is separate from the first vaccine supply. We should be ok.

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I'm pretty sure they have recently decided to not reserve a supply of vaccines for "seconds", thinking that that might contribute to a bottleneck that would lessen the number of people who are able to get "firsts" (which is most important). People who are up for seconds will need to rely on the steady production/distribution of the vaccine. If they miss their "deadline" by a week or two, it's not that big of a deal.

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That may be true of the supplies that are routed through the state; however, providers that receive their shipments directly from the manufacturer may be holding back a portion of what they receive for "seconds". The major providers do not receive anything from Sacramento.

The vaccine (any of them) also isn't 100% effective. It certainly makes it a lot harder, but it's still possible to get and spread covid-19. Herd immunity requires a certain percentage of the population be vaccinated. Until we reach that point, it makes sense for everyone to help prevent further spread. Including wearing a mask when vaccinated.

And in terms of public policy, it makes sense (to me) to echo a single policy for everyone.

Here in Guam it is now 55 and over for vaccine. I'll go tomorrow.

Got my shot 5 days ago...arm still tender but at least I'm no longer on Tylenol..

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Got my shot 5 days ago...arm still tender but at least I'm no longer on Tylenol..

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Glad to hear you are ok. I get the second shot Feb 15.

I took my parents to get the vaccine yesterday. We had to drive all the way from the bay area to Modesto (otherwise they'd have to wait until next month), but there was zero line. They went straight in, sat down, got the shot and then had to wait the 15 minutes before they could leave. During that 15 minutes, the doctor asked me if I wanted to get the vaccine since they had plenty "left over". So, I got mine as well. Before leaving, they set up our appointments for the second shot. We were in and out in less than 30 minutes.

Barely felt the shot (same with my parents), and, so far, we all feel fine - no soreness or any other side effects. Hope that continues!

> [vaccination] certainly makes it a lot harder, but it's still possible to get and spread covid-19.

thanks wraptor347 (347?), that's what i'm seeing online too, and imo waay under-appreciated by lots of regular folks.
# go bears

Oskidunker: glad you are OK too. say hi to Bruce for me...

Indeed. Article in NYT today mentioning that ALL of the different vaccines so far are proving to be highly effective at preventing hospitalizations and deaths from COVID, which is the main goal. Also probably effective against the variants, maybe a little less so, depending. What we need to do is commit all our resources into getting this s*** into people's arms absolutely as fast as possible!

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> [vaccination] certainly makes it a lot harder, but it's still possible to get and spread covid-19.

thanks wraptor347 (347?), that's what i'm seeing online too, and imo waay under-appreciated by lots of regular folks.
# go bears

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Np. The number doesn't mean anything. Happened to be the random number I used for AIM.

Go bears

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Check your county health department because they differ in priority order.

San Mateo county includes 75 year olds AND 65 year olds with pre existing condition in 1B. Contra Costa puts 65 year olds below 75 year olds.

Many states have a clear order and expected vaccination dates, Calif does not.

Be proactive and call your provider once your demographic is eligible. I am with Kaiser who still have not put up any useful information. I bet I get it at CVS before Kaiser gets it together, but who knows.

Some states are allowing 65 year olds as of tomorrow. Wether they have enough supply to do it is doubtful.

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Kaiser this week opened up vaccinations for 75+
I was able to schedule an appointment for myself but not for my wife since she is just 74+. The hospital was adamant that anyone not 75 could not get the appointment unless they met one of the other criteria (healthcare worker, long term care occupant, etc)

I have read in authoritative sources that one possible results of taking the vaccine is low grade fever and related symptoms.

Is it even remotely possible that my taking the vaccine can adversely affect my wife. We share EVERYTHING and have been effectively sheltering in place since March except for the odd trip to the grocery store.

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Kaiser opened it up to 65+
I know that as fact. I got my first in Oakland yesterday....Moderna.
Only side effect is it feels like I was hit with a 95 mph hardball in my left shoulder.

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Kaiser Oakland is where my kids and I were born and we still go there! What steps did you have to take, in order to get vaccinated? Were you notified or did you contact them? How did you hear about the possibility? (I am still a bit under the age limit, I haven't wished I was a little older since I was 19!)

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I went on line at KP.org and looked up Covid Vaccine...and struck out at many other locations. Oakland had multiple options for this past week....

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My inlaws, who live in Placerville and are well over 80, are still waiting for their vaccine. Kaiser is saying they will let them know.... Meanwhile, elsewhere 65 and up are getting theirs. Crazy.

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You gotta be proactive. I checked online every night the week before my appt. On Wednesday the 13th, the website said appts would be available beginning the next day for 65+. I called the number provided at 8am on the 14th, waited 30 minutes, spoke to a rep. and made an appt for the 18th.

Waiting for them to call you - not a good idea.....
Calling them and pressing the issue - good idea.....

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I rarely agree with this guy, but have to on this.
You gotta fight for your right to party with vaccinations. Kick in the door. Gavin Nuisance has lead us to 50th place out of 50 states in getting vaccines the state already has, into people's arms. Enough dicking around.

And sign the recall petition.

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I have some good news for you: you have been greatly misinformed. It's true the state had difficulty with early data on vaccine delivery but we are nowhere near 50th. At this point we are above average in having distributed over 64% of the vaccines on hand and we are not too far behind in the percentage of the state that has been vaccinated (and doing better than about 20 states in that metric). Our vaccination rate is accelerating and I expect us to be above average within weeks.

thank you...navin gruesome..

I am not a fan of Newsome and his lengthy press conferences which usually don't tell you much. However the shortage of the vaccine is mostly the problem. They schedule appointments based on predicted doses they will receive. Probably should wait to see what they have before scheduling.

My fear is by the time most people are vaccinated, the virus will have mutated enough so theshots we get now may not be very effective. Those getting vaccinated later in the year with a modified vaccine COULD be better off. I hope that is not the case ir we may never get over this thing.

Perhaps someone could explain how and why a virus mutates. Sounds like a living being.

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hmm....might have to research getting a fake ID????? ha

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as of last week south bay shots were bookable for 65+ web surfers in the south bay, el caminio hospital for instance. # woo hoo!
https://mycare.elcaminohospital.org/mychart/Authentication/Login
> New User? Sign up now

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I am not a fan of Newsome and his lengthy press conferences which usually don't tell you much. However the shortage of the vaccine is mostly the problem. They schedule appointments based on predicted doses they will receive. Probably should wait to see what they have before scheduling.

My fear is by the time most people are vaccinated, the virus will have mutated enough so theshots we get now may not be very effective. Those getting vaccinated later in the year with a modified vaccine COULD be better off. I hope that is not the case ir we may never get over this thing.

Perhaps someone could explain how and why a virus mutates. Sounds like a living being.

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I suspect we will need a booster shot at some point in the late summer/early fall.

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Alkiadt said:

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71Bear said:

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MSaviolives said:

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Alkiadt said:

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Big C said:

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Alkiadt said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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oskidunker said:

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Check your county health department because they differ in priority order.

San Mateo county includes 75 year olds AND 65 year olds with pre existing condition in 1B. Contra Costa puts 65 year olds below 75 year olds.

Many states have a clear order and expected vaccination dates, Calif does not.

Be proactive and call your provider once your demographic is eligible. I am with Kaiser who still have not put up any useful information. I bet I get it at CVS before Kaiser gets it together, but who knows.

Some states are allowing 65 year olds as of tomorrow. Wether they have enough supply to do it is doubtful.

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Kaiser this week opened up vaccinations for 75+
I was able to schedule an appointment for myself but not for my wife since she is just 74+. The hospital was adamant that anyone not 75 could not get the appointment unless they met one of the other criteria (healthcare worker, long term care occupant, etc)

I have read in authoritative sources that one possible results of taking the vaccine is low grade fever and related symptoms.

Is it even remotely possible that my taking the vaccine can adversely affect my wife. We share EVERYTHING and have been effectively sheltering in place since March except for the odd trip to the grocery store.

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Kaiser opened it up to 65+
I know that as fact. I got my first in Oakland yesterday....Moderna.
Only side effect is it feels like I was hit with a 95 mph hardball in my left shoulder.

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Kaiser Oakland is where my kids and I were born and we still go there! What steps did you have to take, in order to get vaccinated? Were you notified or did you contact them? How did you hear about the possibility? (I am still a bit under the age limit, I haven't wished I was a little older since I was 19!)

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I went on line at KP.org and looked up Covid Vaccine...and struck out at many other locations. Oakland had multiple options for this past week....

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My inlaws, who live in Placerville and are well over 80, are still waiting for their vaccine. Kaiser is saying they will let them know.... Meanwhile, elsewhere 65 and up are getting theirs. Crazy.

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You gotta be proactive. I checked online every night the week before my appt. On Wednesday the 13th, the website said appts would be available beginning the next day for 65+. I called the number provided at 8am on the 14th, waited 30 minutes, spoke to a rep. and made an appt for the 18th.

Waiting for them to call you - not a good idea.....
Calling them and pressing the issue - good idea.....

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I rarely agree with this guy, but have to on this.
You gotta fight for your right to party with vaccinations. Kick in the door. Gavin Nuisance has lead us to 50th place out of 50 states in getting vaccines the state already has, into people's arms. Enough dicking around.

And sign the recall petition.

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I have some good news for you: you have been greatly misinformed. It's true the state had difficulty with early data on vaccine delivery but we are nowhere near 50th. At this point we are above average in having distributed over 64% of the vaccines on hand and we are not too far behind in the percentage of the state that has been vaccinated (and doing better than about 20 states in that metric). Our vaccination rate is accelerating and I expect us to be above average within weeks.

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• Don't know where you're getting your information, but according to USA Today, California has vaccinated only 7.7% of its population, which places it in the bottom third of all 50 states.

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/graphics/2021/01/14/covid-vaccine-distribution-by-state-how-many-covid-vaccines-have-been-given-in-us-how-many-people/6599531002/

viruses mutate all the time. It's how they survive..so far, the 'mutations" have not rendered the vaccines obsolete. We may be looking at a situation where we will have to be vaccinated every year just like the Flu virus. And, just like the Flu virus, researchers will have to guess which variant will be present in any given year. Sometimes, the researchers will guess right...sometimes they will guess wrong. don't blame China too much. I read where the US funded a lot of viral research in China. lots of blame to go around...And, while it's true that most of the viral pandemics originate in China, it's also true that the US has not been preparing for these outbreaks over the last 30-40 years...once again, lots of blame to go around...

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I am not a fan of Newsome and his lengthy press conferences which usually don't tell you much. However the shortage of the vaccine is mostly the problem. They schedule appointments based on predicted doses they will receive. Probably should wait to see what they have before scheduling.

My fear is by the time most people are vaccinated, the virus will have mutated enough so theshots we get now may not be very effective. Those getting vaccinated later in the year with a modified vaccine COULD be better off. I hope that is not the case ir we may never get over this thing.

Perhaps someone could explain how and why a virus mutates. Sounds like a living being.

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To over simplify things a bit:

Virus's take over the dna replication portion of the cells in your body. They basically hijack the existing system to replicate itself instead of the cells themselves.

The replication is literally copying the DNA strands...the strands are large enough that errors in copying aren't that uncommon.

Most errors in copying will be detrimental and cause the newly copied section of DNA to be unusable. Some will be beneficial to the virus. Just like evolution, the virus most likely to procreate (copy) and survive will be the one that survives. If those random mutations happen to make the virus invade more cells, replicate faster, or be more contagious, they will be more likely to succeed.

Gotta keep in mind, the raw number of virus particles in a person is quite large. This site claims:

"100,000,000-100,000,000,000 virions during peak infection"

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.16.20232009v1

Each one of those virions is the result of a copy process which was prone to error.

All a vaccine does is teach your existing immune system how to fight the virus. If the virus changes enough due to these random mutations during the hundreds of millions of copies per infected individual, it may be enough of a change that your antibodies are unable to attack it anymore, making the vaccine ineffectual. That is the concern.

Obviously the faster we can get a vaccine out and distributed the fewer overall copies occur and the less mutation there is...but the vaccines have to be tested for efficacy and safety, during which time mutations can and will occur.

City of Berkeley now offering Pfizer vaccine for 75 and older, administered in Albany.
I mad an appointment for this Friday.

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Alkiadt said:

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71Bear said:

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MSaviolives said:

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Alkiadt said:

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Big C said:

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Alkiadt said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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oskidunker said:

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Check your county health department because they differ in priority order.

San Mateo county includes 75 year olds AND 65 year olds with pre existing condition in 1B. Contra Costa puts 65 year olds below 75 year olds.

Many states have a clear order and expected vaccination dates, Calif does not.

Be proactive and call your provider once your demographic is eligible. I am with Kaiser who still have not put up any useful information. I bet I get it at CVS before Kaiser gets it together, but who knows.

Some states are allowing 65 year olds as of tomorrow. Wether they have enough supply to do it is doubtful.

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Kaiser this week opened up vaccinations for 75+
I was able to schedule an appointment for myself but not for my wife since she is just 74+. The hospital was adamant that anyone not 75 could not get the appointment unless they met one of the other criteria (healthcare worker, long term care occupant, etc)

I have read in authoritative sources that one possible results of taking the vaccine is low grade fever and related symptoms.

Is it even remotely possible that my taking the vaccine can adversely affect my wife. We share EVERYTHING and have been effectively sheltering in place since March except for the odd trip to the grocery store.

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Kaiser opened it up to 65+
I know that as fact. I got my first in Oakland yesterday....Moderna.
Only side effect is it feels like I was hit with a 95 mph hardball in my left shoulder.

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Kaiser Oakland is where my kids and I were born and we still go there! What steps did you have to take, in order to get vaccinated? Were you notified or did you contact them? How did you hear about the possibility? (I am still a bit under the age limit, I haven't wished I was a little older since I was 19!)

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I went on line at KP.org and looked up Covid Vaccine...and struck out at many other locations. Oakland had multiple options for this past week....

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My inlaws, who live in Placerville and are well over 80, are still waiting for their vaccine. Kaiser is saying they will let them know.... Meanwhile, elsewhere 65 and up are getting theirs. Crazy.

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You gotta be proactive. I checked online every night the week before my appt. On Wednesday the 13th, the website said appts would be available beginning the next day for 65+. I called the number provided at 8am on the 14th, waited 30 minutes, spoke to a rep. and made an appt for the 18th.

Waiting for them to call you - not a good idea.....
Calling them and pressing the issue - good idea.....

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I rarely agree with this guy, but have to on this.
You gotta fight for your right to party with vaccinations. Kick in the door. Gavin Nuisance has lead us to 50th place out of 50 states in getting vaccines the state already has, into people's arms. Enough dicking around.

And sign the recall petition.

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I have some good news for you: you have been greatly misinformed. It's true the state had difficulty with early data on vaccine delivery but we are nowhere near 50th. At this point we are above average in having distributed over 64% of the vaccines on hand and we are not too far behind in the percentage of the state that has been vaccinated (and doing better than about 20 states in that metric). Our vaccination rate is accelerating and I expect us to be above average within weeks.

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• Don't know where you're getting your information, but according to USA Today, California has vaccinated only 7.7% of its population, which places it in the bottom third of all 50 states.

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/graphics/2021/01/14/covid-vaccine-distribution-by-state-how-many-covid-vaccines-have-been-given-in-us-how-many-people/6599531002/

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My post had a link to Bloomberg's vaccine tracker - please feel free to check it out.

As for the USA Today - it's showing California ahead of more than 20 states in vaccinations as a percentage of population - 7.7%. It's showing a lower percentage of doses relative to supply than when I made my post (and Bloomberg's tracker has been updated to match) so I would imagine that's due to recent deliveries which is great news.

The numbers are constantly being updated but it's pretty clear that California is accelerating and nowhere near the bottom of the pack.

Unit2Sucks said:

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Alkiadt said:

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71Bear said:

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MSaviolives said:

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Alkiadt said:

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Big C said:

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Alkiadt said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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oskidunker said:

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Check your county health department because they differ in priority order.

San Mateo county includes 75 year olds AND 65 year olds with pre existing condition in 1B. Contra Costa puts 65 year olds below 75 year olds.

Many states have a clear order and expected vaccination dates, Calif does not.

Be proactive and call your provider once your demographic is eligible. I am with Kaiser who still have not put up any useful information. I bet I get it at CVS before Kaiser gets it together, but who knows.

Some states are allowing 65 year olds as of tomorrow. Wether they have enough supply to do it is doubtful.

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Kaiser this week opened up vaccinations for 75+
I was able to schedule an appointment for myself but not for my wife since she is just 74+. The hospital was adamant that anyone not 75 could not get the appointment unless they met one of the other criteria (healthcare worker, long term care occupant, etc)

I have read in authoritative sources that one possible results of taking the vaccine is low grade fever and related symptoms.

Is it even remotely possible that my taking the vaccine can adversely affect my wife. We share EVERYTHING and have been effectively sheltering in place since March except for the odd trip to the grocery store.

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Kaiser opened it up to 65+
I know that as fact. I got my first in Oakland yesterday....Moderna.
Only side effect is it feels like I was hit with a 95 mph hardball in my left shoulder.

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Kaiser Oakland is where my kids and I were born and we still go there! What steps did you have to take, in order to get vaccinated? Were you notified or did you contact them? How did you hear about the possibility? (I am still a bit under the age limit, I haven't wished I was a little older since I was 19!)

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I went on line at KP.org and looked up Covid Vaccine...and struck out at many other locations. Oakland had multiple options for this past week....

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My inlaws, who live in Placerville and are well over 80, are still waiting for their vaccine. Kaiser is saying they will let them know.... Meanwhile, elsewhere 65 and up are getting theirs. Crazy.

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You gotta be proactive. I checked online every night the week before my appt. On Wednesday the 13th, the website said appts would be available beginning the next day for 65+. I called the number provided at 8am on the 14th, waited 30 minutes, spoke to a rep. and made an appt for the 18th.

Waiting for them to call you - not a good idea.....
Calling them and pressing the issue - good idea.....

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I rarely agree with this guy, but have to on this.
You gotta fight for your right to party with vaccinations. Kick in the door. Gavin Nuisance has lead us to 50th place out of 50 states in getting vaccines the state already has, into people's arms. Enough dicking around.

And sign the recall petition.

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I have some good news for you: you have been greatly misinformed. It's true the state had difficulty with early data on vaccine delivery but we are nowhere near 50th. At this point we are above average in having distributed over 64% of the vaccines on hand and we are not too far behind in the percentage of the state that has been vaccinated (and doing better than about 20 states in that metric). Our vaccination rate is accelerating and I expect us to be above average within weeks.

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TBH, ranking middle of the US from a state that crows about science like its a religion isnt something to be applauding.

The ramping up is great to see, though, and definitely shouldn't be discount as much as it might seem I am doing. But coming from VERY VERY far behind to middle of the pack isnt success unless you are looking for a reason to be a fan.

Its like Cal going from 1-11 to 5 wins. A lot of people are invested in being fans of the team, so find a lot of good in that because that looks pretty good if you are a Cal fan. If you arent looking for a reason to pat Cal on the back and overlook the reality, it looks like a mediocre team doing mediocre things. Cal and California should have never been single game winners, even if they werent the absolute worst at the time.

I'd like to see this move beyond middle of the road, and continue to accelerate distribution of vaccines in hand.

FWIW, I think Newsom is FAR superior to any other Governor when it comes to COVID, but hubris got him in trouble with his choice to eat dinner, and a garbage distribution plan made by a bunch of people trying to achieve the unachievable make him look worse than he is.

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Alkiadt said:

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71Bear said:

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MSaviolives said:

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Alkiadt said:

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Big C said:

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Alkiadt said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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oskidunker said:

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Check your county health department because they differ in priority order.

San Mateo county includes 75 year olds AND 65 year olds with pre existing condition in 1B. Contra Costa puts 65 year olds below 75 year olds.

Many states have a clear order and expected vaccination dates, Calif does not.

Be proactive and call your provider once your demographic is eligible. I am with Kaiser who still have not put up any useful information. I bet I get it at CVS before Kaiser gets it together, but who knows.

Some states are allowing 65 year olds as of tomorrow. Wether they have enough supply to do it is doubtful.

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Kaiser this week opened up vaccinations for 75+
I was able to schedule an appointment for myself but not for my wife since she is just 74+. The hospital was adamant that anyone not 75 could not get the appointment unless they met one of the other criteria (healthcare worker, long term care occupant, etc)

I have read in authoritative sources that one possible results of taking the vaccine is low grade fever and related symptoms.

Is it even remotely possible that my taking the vaccine can adversely affect my wife. We share EVERYTHING and have been effectively sheltering in place since March except for the odd trip to the grocery store.

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Kaiser opened it up to 65+
I know that as fact. I got my first in Oakland yesterday....Moderna.
Only side effect is it feels like I was hit with a 95 mph hardball in my left shoulder.

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Kaiser Oakland is where my kids and I were born and we still go there! What steps did you have to take, in order to get vaccinated? Were you notified or did you contact them? How did you hear about the possibility? (I am still a bit under the age limit, I haven't wished I was a little older since I was 19!)

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I went on line at KP.org and looked up Covid Vaccine...and struck out at many other locations. Oakland had multiple options for this past week....

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My inlaws, who live in Placerville and are well over 80, are still waiting for their vaccine. Kaiser is saying they will let them know.... Meanwhile, elsewhere 65 and up are getting theirs. Crazy.

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You gotta be proactive. I checked online every night the week before my appt. On Wednesday the 13th, the website said appts would be available beginning the next day for 65+. I called the number provided at 8am on the 14th, waited 30 minutes, spoke to a rep. and made an appt for the 18th.

Waiting for them to call you - not a good idea.....
Calling them and pressing the issue - good idea.....

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I rarely agree with this guy, but have to on this.
You gotta fight for your right to party with vaccinations. Kick in the door. Gavin Nuisance has lead us to 50th place out of 50 states in getting vaccines the state already has, into people's arms. Enough dicking around.

And sign the recall petition.

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I have some good news for you: you have been greatly misinformed. It's true the state had difficulty with early data on vaccine delivery but we are nowhere near 50th. At this point we are above average in having distributed over 64% of the vaccines on hand and we are not too far behind in the percentage of the state that has been vaccinated (and doing better than about 20 states in that metric). Our vaccination rate is accelerating and I expect us to be above average within weeks.

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TBH, ranking middle of the US from a state that crows about science like its a religion isnt something to be applauding.

The ramping up is great to see, though, and definitely shouldn't be discount as much as it might seem I am doing. But coming from VERY VERY far behind to middle of the pack isnt success unless you are looking for a reason to be a fan.

Its like Cal going from 1-11 to 5 wins. A lot of people are invested in being fans of the team, so find a lot of good in that because that looks pretty good if you are a Cal fan. If you arent looking for a reason to pat Cal on the back and overlook the reality, it looks like a mediocre team doing mediocre things. Cal and California should have never been single game winners, even if they werent the absolute worst at the time.

I'd like to see this move beyond middle of the road, and continue to accelerate distribution of vaccines in hand.

FWIW, I think Newsom is FAR superior to any other Governor when it comes to COVID, but hubris got him in trouble with his choice to eat dinner, and a garbage distribution plan made by a bunch of people trying to achieve the unachievable make him look worse than he is.

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Who's applauding? Someone said we were dead last and blamed in on our governor. I think it's important to set the record straight.

Of course we would all like to see more vaccine sooner. I would like to do better where I live in San Francisco, outside of SF in the bay area, outside the bay area in Calfiornia, outside California in the US, and outside the US in the rest of the world. Vaccines are a critical part of getting past this pandemic for places that weren't able to get to zero.

Even within this state we have seen very different responses. If San Francisco were its own state, it would trail only 3 states and LA county would trail only 6. Riverside and San Bernardino would trail 35+ states. Ideally the state will help support the counties that need more help and our counties that are doing well will continue to have enough supply.

County by county source for California: https://www.latimes.com/projects/california-coronavirus-cases-tracking-outbreak/covid-19-vaccines-distribution/

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To all of you that have just received your first injection, please continue to be vigilant. I have met many people that have picked up Covid between their first and second injections. This was probably because of the timing of the vaccines where most health care workers were getting their vaccines before Christmas and the huge spike in Covid numbers occurred shortly thereafter before they could get their second doses and in no way implies that your risk is higher in between doses, it is not. This is just a public service announcement to please keep up your guard until after the second dose

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Absolutely. Heck, even after the second dose, I will continue all the habits that we have come to love. Masks, social distancing, etc. It ain't over until we reach "New Zealand status" and even then, the virus will never totally disappear. We will need periodic boosters for years to come.

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This mask thing might just stick!
Cycling in cold weather? Wear a mask!
Don't want to get multiple colds a year? Wear a mask!
Want to improve your odds of avoiding the flu? Wear a mask!
Wanna vandalize the Furd campus with Blue & Gold paint? Wear a mask!!!

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Check your county health department because they differ in priority order.

San Mateo county includes 75 year olds AND 65 year olds with pre existing condition in 1B. Contra Costa puts 65 year olds below 75 year olds.

Many states have a clear order and expected vaccination dates, Calif does not.

Be proactive and call your provider once your demographic is eligible. I am with Kaiser who still have not put up any useful information. I bet I get it at CVS before Kaiser gets it together, but who knows.

Some states are allowing 65 year olds as of tomorrow. Wether they have enough supply to do it is doubtful.

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Kaiser this week opened up vaccinations for 75+
I was able to schedule an appointment for myself but not for my wife since she is just 74+. The hospital was adamant that anyone not 75 could not get the appointment unless they met one of the other criteria (healthcare worker, long term care occupant, etc)

I have read in authoritative sources that one possible results of taking the vaccine is low grade fever and related symptoms.

Is it even remotely possible that my taking the vaccine can adversely affect my wife. We share EVERYTHING and have been effectively sheltering in place since March except for the odd trip to the grocery store.

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Kaiser opened it up to 65+
I know that as fact. I got my first in Oakland yesterday....Moderna.
Only side effect is it feels like I was hit with a 95 mph hardball in my left shoulder.

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Kaiser Oakland is where my kids and I were born and we still go there! What steps did you have to take, in order to get vaccinated? Were you notified or did you contact them? How did you hear about the possibility? (I am still a bit under the age limit, I haven't wished I was a little older since I was 19!)

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I went on line at KP.org and looked up Covid Vaccine...and struck out at many other locations. Oakland had multiple options for this past week....

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My inlaws, who live in Placerville and are well over 80, are still waiting for their vaccine. Kaiser is saying they will let them know.... Meanwhile, elsewhere 65 and up are getting theirs. Crazy.

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You gotta be proactive. I checked online every night the week before my appt. On Wednesday the 13th, the website said appts would be available beginning the next day for 65+. I called the number provided at 8am on the 14th, waited 30 minutes, spoke to a rep. and made an appt for the 18th.

Waiting for them to call you - not a good idea.....
Calling them and pressing the issue - good idea.....

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I rarely agree with this guy, but have to on this.
You gotta fight for your right to party with vaccinations. Kick in the door. Gavin Nuisance has lead us to 50th place out of 50 states in getting vaccines the state already has, into people's arms. Enough dicking around.

And sign the recall petition.

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I have some good news for you: you have been greatly misinformed. It's true the state had difficulty with early data on vaccine delivery but we are nowhere near 50th. At this point we are above average in having distributed over 64% of the vaccines on hand and we are not too far behind in the percentage of the state that has been vaccinated (and doing better than about 20 states in that metric). Our vaccination rate is accelerating and I expect us to be above average within weeks.

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• Don't know where you're getting your information, but according to USA Today, California has vaccinated only 7.7% of its population, which places it in the bottom third of all 50 states.

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/graphics/2021/01/14/covid-vaccine-distribution-by-state-how-many-covid-vaccines-have-been-given-in-us-how-many-people/6599531002/

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My post had a link to Bloomberg's vaccine tracker - please feel free to check it out.

As for the USA Today - it's showing California ahead of more than 20 states in vaccinations as a percentage of population - 7.7%. It's showing a lower percentage of doses relative to supply than when I made my post (and Bloomberg's tracker has been updated to match) so I would imagine that's due to recent deliveries which is great news.

The numbers are constantly being updated but it's pretty clear that California is accelerating and nowhere near the bottom of the pack.

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Yeah, shipments begin on Mondays, so probably they begin to arrive on Tuesdays and dashboards updated Weds morning. California was allocated over 1M doses this week (a significant increase from last week), so naturally the administration rate was going to drop once the dashboards updated.

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TBH, ranking middle of the US from a state that crows about science like its a religion isnt something to be applauding.

The ramping up is great to see, though, and definitely shouldn't be discount as much as it might seem I am doing. But coming from VERY VERY far behind to middle of the pack isnt success unless you are looking for a reason to be a fan.

Its like Cal going from 1-11 to 5 wins. A lot of people are invested in being fans of the team, so find a lot of good in that because that looks pretty good if you are a Cal fan. If you arent looking for a reason to pat Cal on the back and overlook the reality, it looks like a mediocre team doing mediocre things. Cal and California should have never been single game winners, even if they werent the absolute worst at the time.

I'd like to see this move beyond middle of the road, and continue to accelerate distribution of vaccines in hand.

FWIW, I think Newsom is FAR superior to any other Governor when it comes to COVID, but hubris got him in trouble with his choice to eat dinner, and a garbage distribution plan made by a bunch of people trying to achieve the unachievable make him look worse than he is.

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To be clear, California is not "in the middle of the pack". California is in the bottom third of the pack as of today, according to the USA Today data. Only 17 of the 50 states are lower than California in vaccine administration.

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TBH, ranking middle of the US from a state that crows about science like its a religion isnt something to be applauding.

The ramping up is great to see, though, and definitely shouldn't be discount as much as it might seem I am doing. But coming from VERY VERY far behind to middle of the pack isnt success unless you are looking for a reason to be a fan.

Its like Cal going from 1-11 to 5 wins. A lot of people are invested in being fans of the team, so find a lot of good in that because that looks pretty good if you are a Cal fan. If you arent looking for a reason to pat Cal on the back and overlook the reality, it looks like a mediocre team doing mediocre things. Cal and California should have never been single game winners, even if they werent the absolute worst at the time.

I'd like to see this move beyond middle of the road, and continue to accelerate distribution of vaccines in hand.

FWIW, I think Newsom is FAR superior to any other Governor when it comes to COVID, but hubris got him in trouble with his choice to eat dinner, and a garbage distribution plan made by a bunch of people trying to achieve the unachievable make him look worse than he is.

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To be clear, California is not "in the middle of the pack". California is in the bottom third of the pack as of today, according to the USA Today data. Only 17 of the 50 states are lower than California in vaccine administration.

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Why are you lying about this? According to your data (USA Today), there are 23 states ranked below California in percentage of population having received first doses. How is that not middle of the pack?

It's GoldenOnenote. He hates everything California- even the university. He only likes things with script Cal on them. And even then, not so much.

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TBH, ranking middle of the US from a state that crows about science like its a religion isnt something to be applauding.

The ramping up is great to see, though, and definitely shouldn't be discount as much as it might seem I am doing. But coming from VERY VERY far behind to middle of the pack isnt success unless you are looking for a reason to be a fan.

Its like Cal going from 1-11 to 5 wins. A lot of people are invested in being fans of the team, so find a lot of good in that because that looks pretty good if you are a Cal fan. If you arent looking for a reason to pat Cal on the back and overlook the reality, it looks like a mediocre team doing mediocre things. Cal and California should have never been single game winners, even if they werent the absolute worst at the time.

I'd like to see this move beyond middle of the road, and continue to accelerate distribution of vaccines in hand.

FWIW, I think Newsom is FAR superior to any other Governor when it comes to COVID, but hubris got him in trouble with his choice to eat dinner, and a garbage distribution plan made by a bunch of people trying to achieve the unachievable make him look worse than he is.

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To be clear, California is not "in the middle of the pack". California is in the bottom third of the pack as of today, according to the USA Today data. Only 17 of the 50 states are lower than California in vaccine administration.

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Why are you lying about this? According to your data (USA Today), there are 23 states ranked below California in percentage of population having received first doses. How is that not middle of the pack?

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Two weeks ago California was ranked 49th, and then 50th....That was widely reported.
So yes, things are improving slowly for "Calizuela", the 5th (6th?) ranked economy in the world.
As for Newsom, he also would not provide data to prove outdoor dining was unsafe. Now, many high level infectious disease scientists (for example at UCSF and Stanford that I have seen news reports on) have openly questioned that policy. California lead the nation in infections during his ban. In the meantime, you can get on an airplane for 5 hours, or go into Home Depot or Lowes...no issue. He's a clown who wants to talk nonstop everyday for an hour while saying nothing.

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TBH, ranking middle of the US from a state that crows about science like its a religion isnt something to be applauding.

The ramping up is great to see, though, and definitely shouldn't be discount as much as it might seem I am doing. But coming from VERY VERY far behind to middle of the pack isnt success unless you are looking for a reason to be a fan.

Its like Cal going from 1-11 to 5 wins. A lot of people are invested in being fans of the team, so find a lot of good in that because that looks pretty good if you are a Cal fan. If you arent looking for a reason to pat Cal on the back and overlook the reality, it looks like a mediocre team doing mediocre things. Cal and California should have never been single game winners, even if they werent the absolute worst at the time.

I'd like to see this move beyond middle of the road, and continue to accelerate distribution of vaccines in hand.

FWIW, I think Newsom is FAR superior to any other Governor when it comes to COVID, but hubris got him in trouble with his choice to eat dinner, and a garbage distribution plan made by a bunch of people trying to achieve the unachievable make him look worse than he is.

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To be clear, California is not "in the middle of the pack". California is in the bottom third of the pack as of today, according to the USA Today data. Only 17 of the 50 states are lower than California in vaccine administration.

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Why are you lying about this? According to your data (USA Today), there are 23 states ranked below California in percentage of population having received first doses. How is that not middle of the pack?

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Two weeks ago California was ranked 49th, and then 50th....That was widely reported.
So yes, things are improving slowly for "Calizuela", the 5th (6th?) ranked economy in the world.
As for Newsom, he also would not provide data to prove outdoor dining was unsafe. Now, many high level infectious disease scientists (for example at UCSF and Stanford that I have seen news reports on) have openly questioned that policy. California lead the nation in infections during his ban. In the meantime, you can get on an airplane for 5 hours, or go into Home Depot or Lowes...no issue. He's a clown who wants to talk nonstop everyday for an hour while saying nothing.

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So, two weeks ago, during the Trump Administration, California was having trouble with vaccine distribution and now, not so much. I wonder what changed?

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TBH, ranking middle of the US from a state that crows about science like its a religion isnt something to be applauding.

The ramping up is great to see, though, and definitely shouldn't be discount as much as it might seem I am doing. But coming from VERY VERY far behind to middle of the pack isnt success unless you are looking for a reason to be a fan.

Its like Cal going from 1-11 to 5 wins. A lot of people are invested in being fans of the team, so find a lot of good in that because that looks pretty good if you are a Cal fan. If you arent looking for a reason to pat Cal on the back and overlook the reality, it looks like a mediocre team doing mediocre things. Cal and California should have never been single game winners, even if they werent the absolute worst at the time.

I'd like to see this move beyond middle of the road, and continue to accelerate distribution of vaccines in hand.

FWIW, I think Newsom is FAR superior to any other Governor when it comes to COVID, but hubris got him in trouble with his choice to eat dinner, and a garbage distribution plan made by a bunch of people trying to achieve the unachievable make him look worse than he is.

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To be clear, California is not "in the middle of the pack". California is in the bottom third of the pack as of today, according to the USA Today data. Only 17 of the 50 states are lower than California in vaccine administration.

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Why are you lying about this? According to your data (USA Today), there are 23 states ranked below California in percentage of population having received first doses. How is that not middle of the pack?

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Two weeks ago California was ranked 49th, and then 50th....That was widely reported.
So yes, things are improving slowly for "Calizuela", the 5th (6th?) ranked economy in the world.
As for Newsom, he also would not provide data to prove outdoor dining was unsafe. Now, many high level infectious disease scientists (for example at UCSF and Stanford that I have seen news reports on) have openly questioned that policy. California lead the nation in infections during his ban. In the meantime, you can get on an airplane for 5 hours, or go into Home Depot or Lowes...no issue. He's a clown who wants to talk nonstop everyday for an hour while saying nothing.

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Southern California certainly has had its struggles but I don't recall California ever leading the nation per capita. Since we are by far the largest state, I don't think anyone should be surprised that we have more total cases than any other state.

Some people just enjoy criticizing California no matter the context, whether its warranted or not. Of course California, and Newsom, have made mistakes in the last 12 months dealing with the pandemic without a cohesive and coordinated nationwide response, but that can be said for all 50 states.

I'm proud of the way we've dealt with the pandemic and particularly where I live in the bay area, but always strive for better and I hope that we are continuing to improve.