I think we only had one win over a tournament team, Colorado, correct?calumnus said:
Teams of interest for Cal fans:
Colorado
USC
Oregon
Oregon St.
UCLA
Ohio State-Sueing
Arkansas-Vanover
Eastern Washington-Legans
Cleveland State-Gates
UCSB-The kicker
Others?
If UCSB has "The Kicker", then Eastern Washington should have "The Quitter".KoreAmBear said:I think we only had one win over a tournament team, Colorado, correct?calumnus said:
Teams of interest for Cal fans:
Colorado
USC
Oregon
Oregon St.
UCLA
Ohio State-Sueing
Arkansas-Vanover
Eastern Washington-Legans
Cleveland State-Gates
UCSB-The kicker
Others?
Give Shantay a break. He has said leaving Cal was the worst decision he has made and he regrets it. I recall a 40 foot heave at usc which won the game for us.Civil Bear said:If UCSB has "The Kicker", then Eastern Washington should have "The Quitter".KoreAmBear said:I think we only had one win over a tournament team, Colorado, correct?calumnus said:
Teams of interest for Cal fans:
Colorado
USC
Oregon
Oregon St.
UCLA
Ohio State-Sueing
Arkansas-Vanover
Eastern Washington-Legans
Cleveland State-Gates
UCSB-The kicker
Others?
When did he say that? I would love to see a source and learn why he would say it.oskidunker said:Give Shantay a break. He has said leaving Cal was the worst decision he has made and he regrets it. I recall a 40 foot heave at usc which won the game for us.Civil Bear said:If UCSB has "The Kicker", then Eastern Washington should have "The Quitter".KoreAmBear said:I think we only had one win over a tournament team, Colorado, correct?calumnus said:
Teams of interest for Cal fans:
Colorado
USC
Oregon
Oregon St.
UCLA
Ohio State-Sueing
Arkansas-Vanover
Eastern Washington-Legans
Cleveland State-Gates
UCSB-The kicker
Others?
Actually, ShanTay was pure money when left wide open. The best I can recall in a Cal uni. Problem was his lack of size and quickness forced him to take shots from further and further out when guarded.bearister said:
His 3 point shooting percentage had to be at least 90% in garbage time (when Cal was down 20). I never forgot the game where Matt Barnes knocked Legans unconscious and concussed him. He should have sued him for that.
Bruins Unable to Band Together - Los Angeles Times
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2002-feb-22-sp-ucla22-story.html
We used to call him 'Randle Lite'. Except we didn't know who Jerome Randle was yet.Civil Bear said:Actually, ShanTay was pure money when left wide open. The best I can recall in a Cal uni. Problem was his lack of size and quickness forced him to take shots from further and further out when guarded.bearister said:
His 3 point shooting percentage had to be at least 90% in garbage time (when Cal was down 20). I never forgot the game where Matt Barnes knocked Legans unconscious and concussed him. He should have sued him for that.
Bruins Unable to Band Together - Los Angeles Times
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2002-feb-22-sp-ucla22-story.html
BeachedBear said:We used to call him 'Randle Lite'. Except we didn't know who Jerome Randle was yet.Civil Bear said:Actually, ShanTay was pure money when left wide open. The best I can recall in a Cal uni. Problem was his lack of size and quickness forced him to take shots from further and further out when guarded.bearister said:
His 3 point shooting percentage had to be at least 90% in garbage time (when Cal was down 20). I never forgot the game where Matt Barnes knocked Legans unconscious and concussed him. He should have sued him for that.
Bruins Unable to Band Together - Los Angeles Times
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2002-feb-22-sp-ucla22-story.html
Cant find it. But was some years ago. recall talking to some people back then about it.His Uncle coached at Fresno. Thats why he went there.Civil Bear said:When did he say that? I would love to see a source and learn why he would say it.oskidunker said:Give Shantay a break. He has said leaving Cal was the worst decision he has made and he regrets it. I recall a 40 foot heave at usc which won the game for us.Civil Bear said:If UCSB has "The Kicker", then Eastern Washington should have "The Quitter".KoreAmBear said:I think we only had one win over a tournament team, Colorado, correct?calumnus said:
Teams of interest for Cal fans:
Colorado
USC
Oregon
Oregon St.
UCLA
Ohio State-Sueing
Arkansas-Vanover
Eastern Washington-Legans
Cleveland State-Gates
UCSB-The kicker
Others?
oskidunker said:Cant find it. But was some years ago. recall talking to some people back then about it.His Uncle coached at Fresno. Thats why he went there.Civil Bear said:When did he say that? I would love to see a source and learn why he would say it.oskidunker said:Give Shantay a break. He has said leaving Cal was the worst decision he has made and he regrets it. I recall a 40 foot heave at usc which won the game for us.Civil Bear said:If UCSB has "The Kicker", then Eastern Washington should have "The Quitter".KoreAmBear said:I think we only had one win over a tournament team, Colorado, correct?calumnus said:
Teams of interest for Cal fans:
Colorado
USC
Oregon
Oregon St.
UCLA
Ohio State-Sueing
Arkansas-Vanover
Eastern Washington-Legans
Cleveland State-Gates
UCSB-The kicker
Others?
Big C said:BeachedBear said:We used to call him 'Randle Lite'. Except we didn't know who Jerome Randle was yet.Civil Bear said:Actually, ShanTay was pure money when left wide open. The best I can recall in a Cal uni. Problem was his lack of size and quickness forced him to take shots from further and further out when guarded.bearister said:
His 3 point shooting percentage had to be at least 90% in garbage time (when Cal was down 20). I never forgot the game where Matt Barnes knocked Legans unconscious and concussed him. He should have sued him for that.
Bruins Unable to Band Together - Los Angeles Times
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2002-feb-22-sp-ucla22-story.html
LOL. That's how we used to call Michael Chavez "Shantay Lite".
I believe it was a friend of the family "Uncle", but yeah, that was the story. He (and his mother) also wasn't happy about losing minutes to a walk-on, and reports were he was getting schooled by the incoming Midgley in the summer. IIRC, ShanTay's (his preferred spelling) timing to bolt from Cal was not good.oskidunker said:Cant find it. But was some years ago. recall talking to some people back then about it.His Uncle coached at Fresno. Thats why he went there.Civil Bear said:When did he say that? I would love to see a source and learn why he would say it.oskidunker said:Give Shantay a break. He has said leaving Cal was the worst decision he has made and he regrets it. I recall a 40 foot heave at usc which won the game for us.Civil Bear said:If UCSB has "The Kicker", then Eastern Washington should have "The Quitter".KoreAmBear said:I think we only had one win over a tournament team, Colorado, correct?calumnus said:
Teams of interest for Cal fans:
Colorado
USC
Oregon
Oregon St.
UCLA
Ohio State-Sueing
Arkansas-Vanover
Eastern Washington-Legans
Cleveland State-Gates
UCSB-The kicker
Others?
Civil Bear said:I believe it was a friend of the family "Uncle", but yeah, that was the story. He (and his mother) also wasn't happy about losing minutes to a walk-on, and reports were he was getting schooled by the incoming Midgley in the summer. IIRC, ShanTay's (his preferred spelling) timing to bolt from Cal was not good.oskidunker said:Cant find it. But was some years ago. recall talking to some people back then about it.His Uncle coached at Fresno. Thats why he went there.Civil Bear said:When did he say that? I would love to see a source and learn why he would say it.oskidunker said:Give Shantay a break. He has said leaving Cal was the worst decision he has made and he regrets it. I recall a 40 foot heave at usc which won the game for us.Civil Bear said:If UCSB has "The Kicker", then Eastern Washington should have "The Quitter".KoreAmBear said:I think we only had one win over a tournament team, Colorado, correct?calumnus said:
Teams of interest for Cal fans:
Colorado
USC
Oregon
Oregon St.
UCLA
Ohio State-Sueing
Arkansas-Vanover
Eastern Washington-Legans
Cleveland State-Gates
UCSB-The kicker
Others?
Civil Bear said:I believe it was a friend of the family "Uncle", but yeah, that was the story. He (and his mother) also wasn't happy about losing minutes to a walk-on, and reports were he was getting schooled by the incoming Midgley in the summer. IIRC, ShanTay's (his preferred spelling) timing to bolt from Cal was not good.oskidunker said:Cant find it. But was some years ago. recall talking to some people back then about it.His Uncle coached at Fresno. Thats why he went there.Civil Bear said:When did he say that? I would love to see a source and learn why he would say it.oskidunker said:Give Shantay a break. He has said leaving Cal was the worst decision he has made and he regrets it. I recall a 40 foot heave at usc which won the game for us.Civil Bear said:If UCSB has "The Kicker", then Eastern Washington should have "The Quitter".KoreAmBear said:I think we only had one win over a tournament team, Colorado, correct?calumnus said:
Teams of interest for Cal fans:
Colorado
USC
Oregon
Oregon St.
UCLA
Ohio State-Sueing
Arkansas-Vanover
Eastern Washington-Legans
Cleveland State-Gates
UCSB-The kicker
Others?
Ok, dont believe it. Here is an article about how much he liked Cal. Does not substantiate what I heard but might be interesting.SBGold said:
His mom torched the place upon leaving as I recall, I doubt he has said any such thing
https://www.si.com/college/cal/basketball/shantay-legans-winning-at-ewuSBGold said:
Where's the article?
oskidunker said:https://www.si.com/college/cal/basketball/shantay-legans-winning-at-ewuSBGold said:
Where's the article?
Isn't it interesting that many commentators favor "free agency" for college players in general but are critical when one of their own (Legans, Sueing, Vanover et al) choose to exercise that option. I didn't like it when these transfers happened but, clearly, they worked out for Sueing and Vanover who are in the tournament on good teams but would likely be watching on TV with the rest of us had they stayed at Cal. There's no question in my mind that Cal would have been better if we could have retained these guys but maybe not enough so to make the tournament. In any event, it's a different ethos these days from what I grew up with and there is less emphasis on "finish what (where) you start". Our biggest issue is that we.ve been net losers in the transfer process recently.oskidunker said:Give Shantay a break. He has said leaving Cal was the worst decision he has made and he regrets it. I recall a 40 foot heave at usc which won the game for us.Civil Bear said:If UCSB has "The Kicker", then Eastern Washington should have "The Quitter".KoreAmBear said:I think we only had one win over a tournament team, Colorado, correct?calumnus said:
Teams of interest for Cal fans:
Colorado
USC
Oregon
Oregon St.
UCLA
Ohio State-Sueing
Arkansas-Vanover
Eastern Washington-Legans
Cleveland State-Gates
UCSB-The kicker
Others?
I'm not sure who those commentators are. Personally, I am not in favor of players or programs breaking their commitments. Transferring out because the coach has left or been fired is different than leaving because you want to ditch your teammates to go play for a family friend, IMO.59bear said:Isn't it interesting that many commentators favor "free agency" for college players in general but are critical when one of their own (Legans, Sueing, Vanover et al) choose to exercise that option. I didn't like it when these transfers happened but, clearly, they worked out for Sueing and Vanover who are in the tournament on good teams but would likely be watching on TV with the rest of us had they stayed at Cal. There's no question in my mind that Cal would have been better if we could have retained these guys but maybe not enough so to make the tournament. In any event, it's a different ethos these days from what I grew up with and there is less emphasis on "finish what (where) you start". Our biggest issue is that we.ve been net losers in the transfer process recently.oskidunker said:Give Shantay a break. He has said leaving Cal was the worst decision he has made and he regrets it. I recall a 40 foot heave at usc which won the game for us.Civil Bear said:If UCSB has "The Kicker", then Eastern Washington should have "The Quitter".KoreAmBear said:I think we only had one win over a tournament team, Colorado, correct?calumnus said:
Teams of interest for Cal fans:
Colorado
USC
Oregon
Oregon St.
UCLA
Ohio State-Sueing
Arkansas-Vanover
Eastern Washington-Legans
Cleveland State-Gates
UCSB-The kicker
Others?
HoopDreams said:
If Sueing, Vanover and McNeil stayed, we would have made the tournament and maybe had a run
Think about our weaknesses this year, and what those 3 veterans would have provided
I could care less about those two. No interest .Cal8285 said:
If the first two rounds go according to seed, we'll have Sueing v. Vanover in the Sweet 16. I guess I'll watch that one.
Since I usually watch every Sweet 16 game (well, except to the extent they overlap, in which case I might be switching back and forth), I say "I guess I'll watch" because unless the idea of watching those two makes me avoid the game, I'll watch. We'll see if and when the time comes.oskidunker said:I could care less about those two. No interest .Cal8285 said:
If the first two rounds go according to seed, we'll have Sueing v. Vanover in the Sweet 16. I guess I'll watch that one.
I always felt that of the two, Midgley was the better shot and better defender, but Legans was the better point guard. Legans' junior year was his least productive, while Midgley's first year might have been his best at least in terms of shooting accuracy. At the time, I was sorry to see Legans go, but Midgley worked out quite well for us. Still, I would have like to have seen them duke it out for playing time. Not only that, but Legans would have been a far better backup PG to Diggs, a good defender, but a one tool player.calumnus said:Civil Bear said:I believe it was a friend of the family "Uncle", but yeah, that was the story. He (and his mother) also wasn't happy about losing minutes to a walk-on, and reports were he was getting schooled by the incoming Midgley in the summer. IIRC, ShanTay's (his preferred spelling) timing to bolt from Cal was not good.oskidunker said:Cant find it. But was some years ago. recall talking to some people back then about it.His Uncle coached at Fresno. Thats why he went there.Civil Bear said:When did he say that? I would love to see a source and learn why he would say it.oskidunker said:Give Shantay a break. He has said leaving Cal was the worst decision he has made and he regrets it. I recall a 40 foot heave at usc which won the game for us.Civil Bear said:If UCSB has "The Kicker", then Eastern Washington should have "The Quitter".KoreAmBear said:I think we only had one win over a tournament team, Colorado, correct?calumnus said:
Teams of interest for Cal fans:
Colorado
USC
Oregon
Oregon St.
UCLA
Ohio State-Sueing
Arkansas-Vanover
Eastern Washington-Legans
Cleveland State-Gates
UCSB-The kicker
Others?
A.J Diggs was the walk-on?
I was fine with Midgley getting the job as a freshman instead of a would be senior Legans with Diggs as his backup. Midgley was an upgrade. I would have been fine with Donte Smith getting some minutes behind him too, but that never happened.
It is interesting that two of our guards from those teams, Legans and Gates, now are coaching teams that won their conference and are now in the Tournament.
Both Legans and Midgley benefitted their frosh years shooting percentage-wise where they only took open threes. I watched Midgley play some in HS where he ran the point very aggressively but dialed it way down and played much more under control his frosh season at Cal. It's hard to imagine Legans as the better pg as his first two seasons at Cal were basically walking the ball upcourt and passing around the perimeter for most of the shot-clock. He did run a nice fast-break on occasion though.SFCityBear said:I always felt that of the two, Midgley was the better shot and better defender, but Legans was the better point guard. Legans' junior year was his least productive, while Midgley's first year might have been his best at least in terms of shooting accuracy. At the time, I was sorry to see Legans go, but Midgley worked out quite well for us. Still, I would have like to have seen them duke it out for playing time. Not only that, but Legans would have been a far better backup PG to Diggs, a good defender, but a one tool player.calumnus said:Civil Bear said:I believe it was a friend of the family "Uncle", but yeah, that was the story. He (and his mother) also wasn't happy about losing minutes to a walk-on, and reports were he was getting schooled by the incoming Midgley in the summer. IIRC, ShanTay's (his preferred spelling) timing to bolt from Cal was not good.oskidunker said:Cant find it. But was some years ago. recall talking to some people back then about it.His Uncle coached at Fresno. Thats why he went there.Civil Bear said:When did he say that? I would love to see a source and learn why he would say it.oskidunker said:Give Shantay a break. He has said leaving Cal was the worst decision he has made and he regrets it. I recall a 40 foot heave at usc which won the game for us.Civil Bear said:If UCSB has "The Kicker", then Eastern Washington should have "The Quitter".KoreAmBear said:I think we only had one win over a tournament team, Colorado, correct?calumnus said:
Teams of interest for Cal fans:
Colorado
USC
Oregon
Oregon St.
UCLA
Ohio State-Sueing
Arkansas-Vanover
Eastern Washington-Legans
Cleveland State-Gates
UCSB-The kicker
Others?
A.J Diggs was the walk-on?
I was fine with Midgley getting the job as a freshman instead of a would be senior Legans with Diggs as his backup. Midgley was an upgrade. I would have been fine with Donte Smith getting some minutes behind him too, but that never happened.
It is interesting that two of our guards from those teams, Legans and Gates, now are coaching teams that won their conference and are now in the Tournament.
Civil Bear said:Both Legans and Midgley benefitted their frosh years shooting percentage-wise where they only took open threes. I watched Midgley play some in HS where he ran the point very aggressively but dialed it way down and played much more under control his frosh season at Cal. It's hard to imagine Legans as the better pg as his first two seasons at Cal were basically walking the ball upcourt and passing around the perimeter for most of the shot-clock. He did run a nice fast-break on occasion though.SFCityBear said:I always felt that of the two, Midgley was the better shot and better defender, but Legans was the better point guard. Legans' junior year was his least productive, while Midgley's first year might have been his best at least in terms of shooting accuracy. At the time, I was sorry to see Legans go, but Midgley worked out quite well for us. Still, I would have like to have seen them duke it out for playing time. Not only that, but Legans would have been a far better backup PG to Diggs, a good defender, but a one tool player.calumnus said:Civil Bear said:I believe it was a friend of the family "Uncle", but yeah, that was the story. He (and his mother) also wasn't happy about losing minutes to a walk-on, and reports were he was getting schooled by the incoming Midgley in the summer. IIRC, ShanTay's (his preferred spelling) timing to bolt from Cal was not good.oskidunker said:Cant find it. But was some years ago. recall talking to some people back then about it.His Uncle coached at Fresno. Thats why he went there.Civil Bear said:When did he say that? I would love to see a source and learn why he would say it.oskidunker said:Give Shantay a break. He has said leaving Cal was the worst decision he has made and he regrets it. I recall a 40 foot heave at usc which won the game for us.Civil Bear said:If UCSB has "The Kicker", then Eastern Washington should have "The Quitter".KoreAmBear said:I think we only had one win over a tournament team, Colorado, correct?calumnus said:
Teams of interest for Cal fans:
Colorado
USC
Oregon
Oregon St.
UCLA
Ohio State-Sueing
Arkansas-Vanover
Eastern Washington-Legans
Cleveland State-Gates
UCSB-The kicker
Others?
A.J Diggs was the walk-on?
I was fine with Midgley getting the job as a freshman instead of a would be senior Legans with Diggs as his backup. Midgley was an upgrade. I would have been fine with Donte Smith getting some minutes behind him too, but that never happened.
It is interesting that two of our guards from those teams, Legans and Gates, now are coaching teams that won their conference and are now in the Tournament.
I remember watching Midgley one summer when Modesto Christian went up against Lebron James, Powe, Kately, Ubaka, and the rest of the Oakland Soldiers. Ubaka and another future Div I guard (can't remember his name) pretty much doubled and bird-dogged Midgley the whole game and the kid managed to hold his own, breaking Ubaka's ankles on more than one occasion. The worst thing that happened to Midgley was the McD All-American Ubaka coming in and being given the pg reigns from day-1 and having to slide over to the 2. RM was much more effective player with the ball in his hands, IMO.
