Breaking news!
Tyson Jolly, a four-star shooting guard in the 2016 class committed to Cal, has asked the Bears to let him out of his national letter of intent. He wants out given the uncertainty at Cal .

Wow what a week for Cal basketball .

Basketball Bear;842668921 said:

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Breaking news!
Tyson Jolly, a four-star shooting guard in the 2016 class committed to Cal, has asked the Bears to let him out of his national letter of intent. He wants out given the uncertainty at Cal .

Wow what a week for Cal basketball .

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Booth!!

〽️-A-J-O-R – ‏@Tysonjolly

Given the uncertainty at Cal, I have decided 2 ask out of my LOI and re-open my recruitment. This was not an easy decision, but the right 1.
10:37 AM - 20 Mar 2016
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Who is left out there for next year's class that is as good as he is and interested in coming to Cal?

It doesn't get better then this and I hope you received my apology yesterday as I meant nothing by my statement. I have just been enraged at how things transpired.

I did and we're good rabboution!

http://collegespun.com/pac-12/california-pac-12/2016-4-star-sg-tyson-jolly-asks-cal-to-let-him-out-of-his-national-letter-of-intent

oskimama;842668922 said:

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Booth!!

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Considering the other thread about this doesn't even mention Jolly (or anything specific) in the thread title, I don't think someone can be expected to realize the topic already has a thread! I wish more posters would actually include the SUBJECT MATTER in the thread titles.

Glutton, after reading the dumpster fire that my thread has become, I stand by the title. Next time, I'll try to specify which fuel is being added to this conflagration.

The 2017-18 season is the one that's a bit scary, assuming Rabb and Brown are gone by then. We could have K2 as seniors, Davis as a sophomore power forward and potentially a good point guard in Coleman. Wings will be the big need, though, and Jolly was slated to take one of our wing slots as a returning sophomore.

glutton;842669011 said:

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Considering the other thread about this doesn't even mention Jolly (or anything specific) in the thread title, I don't think someone can be expected to realize the topic already has a thread! I wish more posters would actually include the SUBJECT MATTER in the thread titles.

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But considering that this post was made as "breaking news" exactly 8 hours after the news was posted in the other thread, it's asking a lot for someone to not give it a "booth" tag

parentswerebears;842669021 said:

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Glutton, after reading the dumpster fire that my thread has become, I stand by the title. Next time, I'll try to specify which fuel is being added to this conflagration.

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That thread is now about everything. Any new Bball thread will be a booth. It would be nice to have a Jolly thread where you don't have to wade through tirades about UC administration (not that they don't relate)

So I am watching the channel 2 news this morning and what do they report? A HS Bball player's decommitment? Since when does that merit attention on TV news? The only press we can get is bad press.

We should not release him. He's screwing us. Cal was a hot destination at one point and we could have offered others instead of him. Don't let him out Williams.

Looperbear;842669092 said:

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We should not release him. He's screwing us. Cal was a hot destination at one point and we could have offered others instead of him. Don't let him out Williams.

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I agree. We release too many players when the wind suddenly blows in another direction (Kennedy Winston, Garrett Sim), while other schools routinely refuse to grant the release of their players to Cal (Solomon Hughes). We are patsies too often and too easily.

Why on earth should we voluntarily release Tyson Jolly? One assistant coach had termination proceedings start against him due to his own poor judgment and a holier-than-thou Cal administration. So what. Hufnagel is not the head coach, and everything else is still the same.

People need to honor their commitments and live up to their word. Promises have meaning, and when you commit, you commit to the school, not to an assistant coach.

You don't just get a divorce from your wife just because you find out after you are married that she farts in her sleep. Yeah, it's an annoyance and not quite what you expected, but so what.

Whoa @ sleeping gas ...

Its probably up to Martin,unless he is leaving.

parentswerebears;842669021 said:

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Glutton, after reading the dumpster fire that my thread has become, I stand by the title. Next time, I'll try to specify which fuel is being added to this conflagration.

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You should have made it clear whether it was regular gasoline, propane, or an "alternative fuel source" of some type.

oskidunker;842669106 said:

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Its probably up to Martin,unless he is leaving.

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When Tulane turned down Solomon Hughes' request for a release from his LOI to go to Cal, I thought it was the athletic director at Tulane who made that decision. If memory serves, this is why Hughes then had to spend a year in prep school.

If given that choice, I doubt Jolly would want to spend another year in prep school or sitting out, thus losing a year of eligibility. Not to play hard ball, but, well, I think hard ball is warranted here.

That is because I also think Tyson Jolly is overreacting and making a request for a release based out of hasty emotion rather than logic and sound reasoning. Young people do that from time to time. That is why sometimes an adult needs to step in and remind the 18 year old that a commitment is a commitment. And that the 18 year old made that commitment for reasons that are still as valid and good today as they were two weeks ago or 6 months ago or 1 year ago.

I am of two minds here. If you don't release it makes future recruiting more difficult. So I would think......

A) You release upon the opening up of the Spring recruiting window. As I understand it we are in a "no contact" period. He gains nothing by having his release signed now
B) You let him know that if you do go through with "A" his scholarship may not be there if he changes his mind.

This would seem to be the right thing to do. Again, in the end this is about THESE young men. You can't MAKE a kid come to Cal. The frustrating thing is that his waffling could have kept another from benefiting from an offer.

He said that he wanted out because he was close w/ "Coach Yanni". Had Hufnagel left to become head coach at Podunk U, would Jolly still have wanted out of his LOI? On the one hand, as SCT says, you can't make someone come to Cal. On the other, what's the point of an LOI if kids can get out of them whenever they want? Then it's a one-way commitment only.

Give him his release. Makes no sense to make someone go where they don't want to.

Cal can refuse to let Jolly out of his LOI, but ultimately they still can't force him to play for the Bears. Refusing to let him out of an LOI just means he can't receive a schlolarship somewhere else for the 2017 season. Already went to prep school for a year, which I believe was Cal specific, not because he was an NCAA non qualifier. Cal shouldn't grant him an immediate release, but he may want to follow Yanni or Cuonzo someplace else. Wouldn't let him go until Cal's 2017 coaching situation is resolved.

Here's why you let him go and not worry: Gary Franklin

NYCGOBEARS;842669123 said:

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Give him his release. Makes no sense to make someone go where they don't want to.

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Exactly. Let him go and he can learn all of Yanni's coaching, um, "techniques" elsewhere. We'll take someone who appreciates playing for us.

jaccpot10;842669110 said:

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When Tulane turned down Solomon Hughes' request for a release from his LOI to go to Cal, I thought it was the athletic director at Tulane who made that decision. If memory serves, this is why Hughes then had to spend a year in prep school.

If given that choice, I doubt Jolly would want to spend another year in prep school or sitting out, thus losing a year of eligibility. Not to play hard ball, but, well, I think hard ball is warranted here.

That is because I also think Tyson Jolly is overreacting and making a request for a release based out of hasty emotion rather than logic and sound reasoning. Young people do that from time to time. That is why sometimes an adult needs to step in and remind the 18 year old that a commitment is a commitment. And that the 18 year old made that commitment for reasons that are still as valid and good today as they were two weeks ago or 6 months ago or 1 year ago.

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It was the AD's decision and Tulane's AD at the time was.....(wait for it) Sandy Barbour.

Prior posted elsewhere, moving to this thread:

GoldenBear1;842668827 said:

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I'm surprised Jolley would ask for his release over an assistant Coach.
I always thought he was drawn to play for Coach Martin?
Can CM talk to him before granting release

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YH's character is definitely drawn into question. We know that the world of recruiting is often a slimy one. If YH was not the type of above-the-fray character with Complainant, then I wouldn't be shocked to discover he was not above-the-fray character with his recruiting tactics either. By extension, IF a recruit is going to bail on a school solely because of the absence of an Asst coach (foregoing the analysis that would include:
Head coach
Educational programs offered
Location
Teammates
Position need
Competitiveness of team and opponents)
...then it would make me wonder what is so very strong of a tie that binds said recruit to said Asst coach recruiter.

Scary!
(And makes me think that's not the kind of guy we'd want at Cal.)
(Don Coleman with his statement of Nothing Changes is more what I like.)

concordtom;842669230 said:

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Prior posted elsewhere, moving to this thread:



YH's character is definitely drawn into question. We know that the world of recruiting is often a slimy one. If YH was not the type of above-the-fray character with Complainant, then I wouldn't be shocked to discover he was not above-the-fray character with his recruiting tactics either. By extension, IF a recruit is going to bail on a school solely because of the absence of an Asst coach (foregoing the analysis that would include:
Head coach
Educational programs offered
Location
Teammates
Position need
Competitiveness of team and opponents)
...then it would make me wonder what is so very strong of a tie that binds said recruit to said Asst coach recruiter.

Scary!
(And makes me think that's not the kind of guy we'd want at Cal.)
(Don Coleman with his statement of Nothing Changes is more what I like.)

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Yeah. Even if he does nothing on the court, I will be a Coleman fan because of his reaffirming his commitment at that moment. The kid showed some real character.

When customers tell me they want to end a contract early, I insist on a face-to-face. They can tell me in person why they want to leave and I ask what it would take to have them stay. Depending on that conversation,
- I have let some customers leave early, and
- I have made other customers live out their end of the agreement.

Time to get on a plane, Coach Martin.

RJABear;842669240 said:

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When customers tell me they want to end a contract early, I insist on a face-to-face. They can tell me in person why they want to leave and I ask what it would take to have them stay. Depending on that conversation,
- I have let some customers leave early, and
- I have made other customers live out their end of the agreement.

Time to get on a plane, Coach Martin.

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I think if Martin really wants him, then he should go and meet with him face-to-face. If Jolly stills want to leave, let him go.

RJABear;842669240 said:

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When customers tell me they want to end a contract early, I insist on a face-to-face. They can tell me in person why they want to leave and I ask what it would take to have them stay. Depending on that conversation,
- I have let some customers leave early, and
- I have made other customers live out their end of the agreement.

Time to get on a plane, Coach Martin.

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And that may be where he is. I assume (correct if wrong) that it is permissible to talk with kids with signed LOIs in this dark period.

beelzebear;842669142 said:

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Here's why you let him go and not worry: Gary Franklin

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Like Brennan Scarlett too?

89Bear;842669245 said:

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I think if Martin really wants him, then he should go and meet with him face-to-face. If Jolly stills want to leave, let him go.

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If Cuonzo still wants Jolly as part of his program at Cal or elsewhere, he'd meet with him in person pronto. If he isn't, may mean Jolly is Yanni's guy and Cuonzo doesn't want any antagonistic influences outside the program in his players' ears and negatively recruiting against him. Hard to imagine that Cuonzo and Yanni are BFFs right now.

concordtom;842669230 said:

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Prior posted elsewhere, moving to this thread:



YH's character is definitely drawn into question. We know that the world of recruiting is often a slimy one. If YH was not the type of above-the-fray character with Complainant, then I wouldn't be shocked to discover he was not above-the-fray character with his recruiting tactics either. By extension, IF a recruit is going to bail on a school solely because of the absence of an Asst coach (foregoing the analysis that would include:
Head coach
Educational programs offered
Location
Teammates
Position need
Competitiveness of team and opponents)
...then it would make me wonder what is so very strong of a tie that binds said recruit to said Asst coach recruiter.

Scary!
(And makes me think that's not the kind of guy we'd want at Cal.)
(Don Coleman with his statement of Nothing Changes is more what I like.)

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Or...

Huff could actually form tight bonds with his recruits. Tight enough even for some of them to jump ship if they felt he wasn't getting a fair shake. Who really knows at this point, so why just assume the worst of someone you were happy to have on your side less than 2 weeks ago?

BearDevil;842669308 said:

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If Cuonzo still wants Jolly as part of his program at Cal or elsewhere, he'd meet with him in person pronto. If he isn't, may mean Jolly is Yanni's guy and Cuonzo doesn't want any antagonistic influences outside the program in his players' ears and negatively recruiting against him. Hard to imagine that Cuonzo and Yanni are BFFs right now.

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Wonder what kind of cloud was hanging over the program this season, if a rift developed at all.
When did any of the players know?

Civil Bear;842669313 said:

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Or...

Huff could actually form tight bonds with his recruits. Tight enough even for some of them to jump ship if they felt he wasn't getting a fair shake. Who really knows at this point, so why just assume the worst of someone you were happy to have on your side less than 2 weeks ago?

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Absolutely fair point!

concordtom;842669314 said:

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Wonder what kind of cloud was hanging over the program this season, if a rift developed at all.
When did any of the players know?

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At some point, Cuonzo had to realize it was pretty likely that Yanni was getting fired. Clearly Tedford got blindsided by Tosh. Cuonzo, not so much.

Some will never forgive Cuonzo for the UH loss, but he was without two of his four best players. Now can kind of understand why Cuonzo wasn't going full bore after available 2016 recruits. Uncertainty over Jaylen and Rabb was part of it, availability was another, but Cuonzo also didn't want any purely Yanni recruits too.

BearDevil;842669376 said:

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Some will never forgive Cuonzo for the UH loss, but he was without 2 of his best players.

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Huh? What are you talking about.
Done! Forgiven! That was accomplished before the final horn.
Trot out a team less 2 starters, your junior senior 1 and 2 guards, that's gonna be tough, I don't care who you are.

It was a great season. On to next year! Er uh, banquet first!