We need an NCAA blue blood to right this ship. I have it on good authority that John Wooden has a nephew that yearns to lead our Bears. The only problem is he is forced to sit at the kids table during all major family gatherings.

I'm not worried. I just see that as making him even hungrier.

ducky23;842822224 said:

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These people are just throwing out random names.

Howland no way.

Kidd? That's less likely than ron Rivera.

Who is next kj? Lou Campanelli?

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As with Cuonzo coming to Cal, Mike Hopkins to UW came out of nowhere.

The same could happen at Cal again - a surprise name popping up at the end (with other names being used as smokescreen) - but don't know if the admin can again take the chance on a guy who doesn't check more boxes re: fit with university.

Of guys who haven't been mentioned yet, maybe Tommy Amaker falls into this category. Can't really think of many others.

I'd still think the hire will come from the group of candidates already mentioned.

ducky23;842822224 said:

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These people are just throwing out random names.

Howland no way.

Kidd? That's less likely than ron Rivera.

Who is next kj? Lou Campanelli?

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I don't think Kidd is likely, but Dinos Trigonis runs the Pangos All-American Camp and coaches the Belmont Shore AAU team. He's pretty connected.

smokeyrover;842822235 said:

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As with Cuonzo coming to Cal, Mike Hopkins to UW came out of nowhere.

The same could happen at Cal again - a surprise name popping up at the end (with other names being used as smokescreen) - but don't know if the admin can again take the chance on a guy who doesn't check more boxes re: fit with university.

Of guys who haven't been mentioned yet, maybe Tommy Amaker falls into this category. Can't really think of many others.

I'd still think the hire will come from the group of candidates already mentioned.

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Trigonis mentioned Hopkins on his Twitter 9 hours ago, so I guess it didn't come out of nowhere. The Cuonzo hiring was a big surprise, in part because no one viewed him as being a candidate at all, perhaps due to his complete lack of West Coast ties.

Cuonzo was a search firm pick.

We need a coach who will create buzz and excitement around the program. Someone who will bring back big crowds to Haas and they, in turn, will make it a very tough place to play for visiting teams. Dream on, I know. Hope springs eternal.

Dream scenario: Brian Shaw with Dennis Gates and Theo as his assistants.

A poor HC record in the NBA doesn't make you a poor NCAA coach. Just ask Rick Pitino. He would make an elite college coach with his NBA ties... when he's telling recruits he can help them get to the NBA and that's backed up by 13 years coaching in NBA circles I think that holds weight. He's an Oakland guy and still plays in competitive leagues in the Bay Area. I have zero doubts he can keep hometown kids here and that he can coach at an elite level for college.

2nd option would be Dennis Gates. He's got an outstanding track record as an assistant, and while you don't usually get your first HC job in a power 5 conference I'd be excited to see them to give him the gig and see if he can excel at Cal. The program is potentially in shambles if they lose Rabb, Moore, and some of the new recruits bail. If they're going to have to start from scratch might as well do it with a star assistant and former player. Love that he has ties all over the country to be able to recruit from anywhere.

3rd choice is Russell Turner. Monty coaching tree, excellent success at a mid-major, incredibly influential in SoCal and should be able to pull high level recruits up from down south. Concern is that he won't be a long term guy here and will one day want to head back down south. If he comes here and does well only to take more money to coach at USC when Enfield leaves that would be awful. That's well down the line and a lot of "ifs" but it's in the back of my mind.

I want Gates.

Totally worth the risk IMO.

ducky23;842822224 said:

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Who is next kj? Lou Campanelli?

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Kyle Campanelli!

Jclay09;842822266 said:

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Dream scenario: Brian Shaw with Dennis Gates and Theo as his assistants.

A poor HC record in the NBA doesn't make you a poor NCAA coach. Just ask Rick Pitino. He would make an elite college coach with his NBA ties... when he's telling recruits he can help them get to the NBA and that's backed up by 13 years coaching in NBA circles I think that holds weight. He's an Oakland guy and still plays in competitive leagues in the Bay Area. I have zero doubts he can keep hometown kids here and that he can coach at an elite level for college.

2nd option would be Dennis Gates. He's got an outstanding track record as an assistant, and while you don't usually get your first HC job in a power 5 conference I'd be excited to see them to give him the gig and see if he can excel at Cal. The program is potentially in shambles if they lose Rabb, Moore, and some of the new recruits bail. If they're going to have to start from scratch might as well do it with a star assistant and former player. Love that he has ties all over the country to be able to recruit from anywhere.

3rd choice is Russell Turner. Monty coaching tree, excellent success at a mid-major, incredibly influential in SoCal and should be able to pull high level recruits up from down south. Concern is that he won't be a long term guy here and will one day want to head back down south. If he comes here and does well only to take more money to coach at USC when Enfield leaves that would be awful. That's well down the line and a lot of "ifs" but it's in the back of my mind.

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Agree with this.

Jclay09;842822266 said:

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Dream scenario: Brian Shaw with Dennis Gates and Theo as his assistants.

A poor HC record in the NBA doesn't make you a poor NCAA coach. Just ask Rick Pitino. He would make an elite college coach with his NBA ties... when he's telling recruits he can help them get to the NBA and that's backed up by 13 years coaching in NBA circles I think that holds weight. He's an Oakland guy and still plays in competitive leagues in the Bay Area. I have zero doubts he can keep hometown kids here and that he can coach at an elite level for college.

2nd option would be Dennis Gates. He's got an outstanding track record as an assistant, and while you don't usually get your first HC job in a power 5 conference I'd be excited to see them to give him the gig and see if he can excel at Cal. The program is potentially in shambles if they lose Rabb, Moore, and some of the new recruits bail. If they're going to have to start from scratch might as well do it with a star assistant and former player. Love that he has ties all over the country to be able to recruit from anywhere.

3rd choice is Russell Turner. Monty coaching tree, excellent success at a mid-major, incredibly influential in SoCal and should be able to pull high level recruits up from down south. Concern is that he won't be a long term guy here and will one day want to head back down south. If he comes here and does well only to take more money to coach at USC when Enfield leaves that would be awful. That's well down the line and a lot of "ifs" but it's in the back of my mind.

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This is exactly where I am.

I would be ecstatic with options 1 or 2.

I'd be Ok with turner. At least he would probably come in on budget?

How about Mike Dunlap with Dennis Gates as assistant and taking over later?
I know Dunlap's record at LMU isn't stellar, but he is still highly respected.

stu;842822277 said:

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Kyle Campanelli!

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The point guard who put Kidd on the bench! Oh, for those glory days!

ducky23;842822281 said:

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This is exactly where I am.

I would be ecstatic with options 1 or 2.

I'd be Ok with turner. At least he would probably come in on budget?

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I don't understand really how anyone faced with Turner Vs. the Kicker chooses the Kicker. UC Irvine is not Cal when it comes to selectivity and prestige but is just about equally screwed up from a bureaucratic standpoint. The fact that he has navigated it would seem to be a chit mark on the right side of the ledger.

Jason Kidd is not going to coach at Cal until he finishes his degree.

My suggestion is to have the Bear Insider posters be hired to coach the Cal basketball team by committee. I would suggest we start with a one-year guaranteed deal, and we offer the Cal AD this package: Moraga, Tsubamoto, and Socal will do the recruiting, Beached Bear and Bluesaxe do the coaching, with Ducky as #1 assistant, and Hoop Dreams in charge of the teaching of individual skills. Other assistants will be provided as needed. The multi-million dollar contract of a head coach would be split among these coaches. My apologies to all the posters I left out. There would be a chance for other posters to coach the Bears, because an up or down vote of confidence would be held at the end of the season, based on the results. Just like countries with parliaments, such as England and Israel. If they aren't doing the job, they get thrown out. At that point elections could be held among interested Bear Insiders for all coaching positions.

I think Wyking Jones name should be in the mix. He has done a good job with the bigs and would bring continuity with the recruiting class, assuming the remaining hires were credible. I could see bringing in a lower profile head coach (Pasternak or Turner) and supplementing with strong assistants Jones/Gates/Theo. With regard to Theo, love the guy but wonder what he brings to a staff at this point other than the POSSIBILITY of recruiting (he's been out of the college game for a few years)? I would love to have him, but I don't think he's ready to be a lead assistant just yet. Gates and Jones seem more seasoned.

BearBackerinLA;842822313 said:

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Well I guess Santa Claus would know

SFBear2012;842822315 said:

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Well I guess Santa Claus would know

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Yeah, he briefly woke up from hibernation and did a Trump Tweet.
Out of his a$$.

If Gates becomes HC, will he consider bringing in Jerome Randle as assistant to teach FT shooting and guard play? The salary cap for Randle's Aussie club is only $1.1M and that's for the whole team.

88Bear;842822273 said:

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I want Gates.

Totally worth the risk IMO.

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What evidence is there that Gates would be a good Head Coach?

SFCityBear;842822300 said:

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My suggestion is to have the Bear Insider posters be hired to coach the Cal basketball team by committee. I would suggest we start with a one-year guaranteed deal, and we offer the Cal AD this package: Moraga, Tsubamoto, and Socal will do the recruiting, Beached Bear and Bluesaxe do the coaching, with Ducky as #1 assistant, and Hoop Dreams in charge of the teaching of individual skills. Other assistants will be provided as needed. The multi-million dollar contract of a head coach would be split among these coaches. My apologies to all the posters I left out. There would be a chance for other posters to coach the Bears, because an up or down vote of confidence would be held at the end of the season, based on the results. Just like countries with parliaments, such as England and Israel. If they aren't doing the job, they get thrown out. At that point elections could be held among interested Bear Insiders for all coaching positions.

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>"...f they aren't doing the job, they get thrown out. At that point elections could be held among interested Bear Insiders for all coaching position..."<

Will the election be held at half time?

BTW--Will there be a JV team?

Jclay09;842822266 said:

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Dream scenario: Brian Shaw with Dennis Gates and Theo as his assistants.

A poor HC record in the NBA doesn't make you a poor NCAA coach. Just ask Rick Pitino. He would make an elite college coach with his NBA ties... when he's telling recruits he can help them get to the NBA and that's backed up by 13 years coaching in NBA circles I think that holds weight. He's an Oakland guy and still plays in competitive leagues in the Bay Area. I have zero doubts he can keep hometown kids here and that he can coach at an elite level for college.

2nd option would be Dennis Gates. He's got an outstanding track record as an assistant, and while you don't usually get your first HC job in a power 5 conference I'd be excited to see them to give him the gig and see if he can excel at Cal. The program is potentially in shambles if they lose Rabb, Moore, and some of the new recruits bail. If they're going to have to start from scratch might as well do it with a star assistant and former player. Love that he has ties all over the country to be able to recruit from anywhere.

3rd choice is Russell Turner. Monty coaching tree, excellent success at a mid-major, incredibly influential in SoCal and should be able to pull high level recruits up from down south. Concern is that he won't be a long term guy here and will one day want to head back down south. If he comes here and does well only to take more money to coach at USC when Enfield leaves that would be awful. That's well down the line and a lot of "ifs" but it's in the back of my mind.

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NBA ties make someone an elite college coach? Again, no evidence Shaw can coach and could be a disaster.

Whitman is the Illinois AD ...

Big C_Cal;842822340 said:

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What evidence is there that Gates would be a good Head Coach?

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The same as Pasternak. Except he actually had a head job....and failed.

If you knew Dennis at all, he has the make up of a head coach. Everybody starts somewhere and they've all been assistants before they became head coach. He's a noted national recruiter, he's academically oriented. He's going to get a job somewhere.

joe yaks;842822342 said:

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>"...f they aren't doing the job, they get thrown out. At that point elections could be held among interested Bear Insiders for all coaching position..."<

Will the election be held at half time?

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This year, I think all those BI posters present at the NIT game would have called for the election to be done at halftime of that game.

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BTW--Will there be a JV team?

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I don't think so. If D1 programs decided to compete at a JV level again, I doubt coaches could find enough players to make up a JV team. There are some 350 schools competing for players now, and most teams have trouble finding decent players to fill out a varsity bench with practice players, let alone fill 6-8 more spots for a JV team. Not too long ago, Cal had guys like Raffi Chalian and Garrett Galvin on the varsity bench, for example. There just aren't enough basketball players to go around nowadays. I think kids are more interested in playing with their phones or video games than becoming good at basketball.

Shaw to UCSB?

Why not bring back Mike Montgomery with an offer he can't refuse - the perfect assistant to handle recruiting, administration and donors. Let Montgomery take care of the Xs and Os and bring in another recent retiree for the rest - Barak Obama.

Imagine Barak and Michelle sitting in your living room telling you how much we want your son to come to Cal. Imagine Barak at a donor gathering telling them how badly we need a practice facility. Imagine Barak explaining to certain administrators how easily they can be replaced.

He is with Earl Watson Elite AAU (Jemarl's team)

BearBackerinLA;842822373 said:

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Shaw to UCSB?

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BearBackerinLA;842822373 said:

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Shaw to UCSB?

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He's a former Gaucho.

Alkiadt;842822363 said:

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The same as Pasternak. Except he actually had a head job....and failed.

If you knew Dennis at all, he has the make up of a head coach. Everybody starts somewhere and they've all been assistants before they became head coach. He's a noted national recruiter, he's academically oriented. He's going to get a job somewhere.

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"The same as Pasternack..." kind of sums it up for me (I am not pro-Pasternack.).

Okay, there are three things I like about Gates. First, I will take people's word he is a good recruiter. Second, he went to Cal and, third, since he excelled here academically, the academics.

But where is the evidence he knows the Xs and Os and can teach them? Where is the evidence he will assemble a good staff, including (what many coaches never figure out, including CM) the awareness of what they don't know and the willingness to hire an assistant that compliments their skills?

When you say "if you knew Dennis at all, he has the make up of a head coach", it comes dangerously close, to me, of the way Shocky becomes enamored of guys that schmooze him up, or George W Bush looking into Putin's soul and being able to make a judgement of character. Or, for that matter, of any of the thousands of bosses who think they can hire people because they can judge their character in a couple of interviews.

I could go for Gates if Williams were able to find and confirm satisfactory answers to the questions I have about him (above) because, certainly, MAYBE he would be really good. But I have reservations.

I'm still hoping we come up with a "none-of-the-above" as per Dr. Danger's post. Something like when they surprised us with Cuonzo Martin (except better, of course!). And I think we will. The "usual suspects" aren't thrilling me right now.

TheSouseFamily;842821901 said:

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A sack of potatoes could recruit well at Arizona.

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You mean sack of donuts?

BearBackerinLA;842822373 said:

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Shaw to UCSB?

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One of the potential Cal names mentioned above is USF's Kyle Smith. Was at Columbia for six seasons and was ten games below 0.500 in the Ivy League. F no on that.