Pitino was just fired.
That is implied in the federal complaint against the adidas guy, which mentions that adidas, on behalf of University-6 (Louisville) was bidding on Bowen against another company and team. People are just making a good guess that the 2nd shoe company is Nike and the 2nd school is Oregon, probably because Bowen made late recruiting visits to Oregon and Louisville after having neither team on the list of teams he had been considering for about a year.MinotStateBeav said:
I read it on reddit so take this with a grain of salt..apparently there was a bidding war with Brian Bowen that Louisville had won..the bidding war was with a Nike school.....Oregon.
MinotStateBeav said:
Pretty pathetic by Pitino to play the "I had no idea" card. I would say it's extremely rare for an assistant coach to do anything without the head guys approval. Same goes for Sean Miller at Zona.
And Under Armour will be next. All 3 shoe companies are represented in this case. They are all in direct competition for the better AAU programs and players. I am sure they are looking for the money trail.BearSD said:
Attn: Andy Enfield, Sean Miller, Cuonzo Martin, other Nike head coaches
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Sources: Employees of Nike's EYBL grassroots division, along with documents, have been subpoenaed by FBI in furtherance of investigation
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UCBerkGrad said:bearsandgiants said:
Pitino gone at Louisville. How long before this takes out our own coach? I hope to hell that's why he left. i.e. didn't want any part of it.
Coincidently, Wyking was on my flight to Portland this morning. I wanted to ask him about it but didn't think it was appropriate. Did give him a "Go Bears!" though.
I do not think you want to ban the shoe companies. You want them to be responsible partners. But with the money they have invested in these clubs and colleges they expect a return on investment. However they can. Of course the participants of the AAU programs have a role. A big role. But they also have their hands out as well.gobears725 said:
well you dont want to outright ban the shoe companies off the AAU circuit. I dont think that there would be any AAU without the shoe companies and overall AAU has really helped kids get exposure, especially kids where it would otherwise be much harder to get them exposure. Think that there has to be some sort of middle ground. It shouldnt be as dirty as it has been, but preserve the good that it was doing also.
As much as we like to laugh about government workers hamming it up, and punching clock for a pension, federal attorneys don't **** around. They by and large come from top schools or are laterals from top firms, turn down far more lucrative careers purely for the chance to take on cases like this, have reach and resources second to none. If these coaches are as dirty as we think they are, this is going to be huge.Cal89 said:
Wow, just wow.
From someone who does investigations for my employer, and has for 15 or so years, I am quite happy to hear this news. I often pitch the schemes I uncover to the FBI, and then work closely with them over many months and years to get closure. I'm batting 1,000 as they have taken every case I've presented. Everything changes when the feds get involved. Whole new ballgame folks...
The Special Agents I've worked with are damn smart, thorough and have some serious authority of course. I've been in on search warrants with them, in interviews and proffer sessions, and when at the table with these guys, others get ratted-out and fast, grown men cry.
The NCAA? They likely don't know for a damn good reason. My guess is that they are on the radar too, if not already, for being complicit. Either way, they are the mouse watching the cheese and as we know, it's not always in their best interest to crack-down on such shenanigans.
Really curious where this goes...
Yogi Bear said:
The biggest question right now is "what federal laws were broken." If this just ends up being a violation of NCAA rules, this investigation is gonna go nowhere fast. I would assume that the FBI wouldn't be on board unless they had an ironclad case here, but I'm unsure as to what laws have actually been broken.
Yogi Bear said:
The biggest question right now is "what federal laws were broken." If this just ends up being a violation of NCAA rules, this investigation is gonna go nowhere fast. I would assume that the FBI wouldn't be on board unless they had an ironclad case here, but I'm unsure as to what laws have actually been broken.
Arizona is said to be the competing school with Miami for the unmentioned player to receive $150K. The speculation revolves around Nassir Little by some accounts. Many believe they may have a player already on campus that has received money. 6 figure money to attend and of course this does not account for the 2018 recruit Quinnerly that apparently has already received or been promised some money.TheSouseFamily said:
Wow, Pitino. Just wow. This guy must have some serious stones to make the comments he did about how shocked he was when the allegations came out. Plus, the doozies coming out of his mouth after they signed Bowen are pretty classic too in retrospect. So too the comments about keeping the $100K payment on the down-low because they were already on probation. Amazing stuff. I just assumed that Coach-2 was an assistant. The relationship between University-6 and Adidas was obviously way way cozy if Pitino has that kind of pull at the top levels of Adidas to pay players. Not surprisingly, the daughter of the University-6 AD got a nice job at Adidas too.
Louisville is really in a world of hurt.
It will be interesting if the DA can threaten hard time it will be hard to keep some of these guys quiet. Serve jail time or talk? It's not like this is the mafia, why go to jail over freaking basketball?6956bear said:
Miller is in big trouble at Arizona IMO. They know he is dirty, but the boosters are likely working behind the scenes to see if they can keep Book quiet and silence the players. Louisville is in trouble but their quick dispatching of Jurich and Pitino will help them. It will be interesting to see how USC, Arizona, Oklahoma St, Auburn and Miami react in the coming days.
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The key will be which person currently under indictment decides to roll over.
If I'm Alabama, I throw the basketball program under the bus quickly, less anyone get the idea to actually penalize the entire athletic program (e.g., football). Way too much revenue for the school (beyond athletics) from football to even consider allowing basketball to F it up.6956bear said:Arizona is said to be the competing school with Miami for the unmentioned player to receive $150K. The speculation revolves around Nassir Little by some accounts. Many believe they may have a player already on campus that has received money. 6 figure money to attend and of course this does not account for the 2018 recruit Quinnerly that apparently has already received or been promised some money.TheSouseFamily said:
Wow, Pitino. Just wow. This guy must have some serious stones to make the comments he did about how shocked he was when the allegations came out. Plus, the doozies coming out of his mouth after they signed Bowen are pretty classic too in retrospect. So too the comments about keeping the $100K payment on the down-low because they were already on probation. Amazing stuff. I just assumed that Coach-2 was an assistant. The relationship between University-6 and Adidas was obviously way way cozy if Pitino has that kind of pull at the top levels of Adidas to pay players. Not surprisingly, the daughter of the University-6 AD got a nice job at Adidas too.
Louisville is really in a world of hurt.
Assistants may be able to form side deals with agents, shoe companies to funnel players to them when the player goes pro without the HC knowing, but six figure payouts no way. Book may have been the conduit to the shoe company and agents but no way big money exchanges hands without Miller being aware. Arizona has been dirty for forever. Love the nickname Book. How absolutely perfect.
While USC is involved in this scandal it looks like they were small potatoes compared to Arizona. But dirty is dirty. Oregon is said to be the competing school with Louisville for Bowen by some. Do not know but would not surprise me. The key will be which person currently under indictment decides to roll over. My guess is that the money guys are most likely. The coaches can find work in the pro's as scouts or the G league or something. The other guys likely are done. Selling a book may be their only source of revenue once this gets done.
Miller is in big trouble at Arizona IMO. They know he is dirty, but the boosters are likely working behind the scenes to see if they can keep Book quiet and silence the players. Louisville is in trouble but their quick dispatching of Jurich and Pitino will help them. It will be interesting to see how USC, Arizona, Oklahoma St, Auburn and Miami react in the coming days.
Alabama just had a staffer resign amid a University generated review of the program. Many other schools will be doing the same. Very interesting times indeed.
BearSD said:
From Twitter:
Fright on,RJABear said:
I took a look at a the message boards for three schools last night
Louisville. Desperation. Fired their HOF coach. They are praying that the NCAA does not give Louisville the death penalty.
Arizona. State of denial. Wildcat Fan thinks Sean Miller was not involved. No thoughts that their school may face penalties. Talking about the hottest coach they can find, just in case Miller leaves.
U$C. Aggressive. They feel they were unfairly treated with the Carroll/Reggie Bush scholarship penalties. Most concerned that BBall issue might spill over to football. They want to fight back, legally. Many feel that Pat Haden laid down for the NCAA. Some fans want go after the FBI and protect the sacred Trojan.
What I saw in the Desert Storm comments was a lot of just fire Miller now and move forward remarks, moderated by others wanting to see it play out. From my perspective, Miller should be toast just to have had it happen on his watch, so firing him now makes sense. But that might require a buy out of his contract, as opposed to waiting for facts to come in to allow termination for cause and a kick in the ass out the door.RJABear said:
I took a look at a the message boards for three schools last night
Louisville. Desperation. Fired their HOF coach. They are praying that the NCAA does not give Louisville the death penalty.
Arizona. State of denial. Wildcat Fan thinks Sean Miller was not involved. No thoughts that their school may face penalties. Talking about the hottest coach they can find, just in case Miller leaves.
U$C. Aggressive. They feel they were unfairly treated with the Carroll/Reggie Bush scholarship penalties. Most concerned that BBall issue might spill over to football. They want to fight back, legally. Many feel that Pat Haden laid down for the NCAA. Some fans want go after the FBI and protect the sacred Trojan.
joe yaks said:Fright on,RJABear said:
I took a look at a the message boards for three schools last night
Louisville. Desperation. Fired their HOF coach. They are praying that the NCAA does not give Louisville the death penalty.
Arizona. State of denial. Wildcat Fan thinks Sean Miller was not involved. No thoughts that their school may face penalties. Talking about the hottest coach they can find, just in case Miller leaves.
U$C. Aggressive. They feel they were unfairly treated with the Carroll/Reggie Bush scholarship penalties. Most concerned that BBall issue might spill over to football. They want to fight back, legally. Many feel that Pat Haden laid down for the NCAA. Some fans want go after the FBI and protect the sacred Trojan.
Flight on,
and
Fight on.
Made me spit beer out my nose laughing so hard. Damm you - a nice Stone IPA.joe yaks said:Fright on,RJABear said:
I took a look at a the message boards for three schools last night
Louisville. Desperation. Fired their HOF coach. They are praying that the NCAA does not give Louisville the death penalty.
Arizona. State of denial. Wildcat Fan thinks Sean Miller was not involved. No thoughts that their school may face penalties. Talking about the hottest coach they can find, just in case Miller leaves.
U$C. Aggressive. They feel they were unfairly treated with the Carroll/Reggie Bush scholarship penalties. Most concerned that BBall issue might spill over to football. They want to fight back, legally. Many feel that Pat Haden laid down for the NCAA. Some fans want go after the FBI and protect the sacred Trojan.
Flight on,
and
Fight on.