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I doubt it. You can't judge a player by a game or even a couple of games. Lee would have started for Cal this past season. That's not saying much, but still...he was capable of having a role for AZ. Instead they went with a 2 center set-up, which hurt their defense and killed them against a Buffalo team that played 4-out.

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Lyons was a grad transfer and eligible immediately, which won't be the case with anyone left for AZ. Plus, the remaining players likely feel they were shafted in playing time. It befuddled me that Alex Barcello and Ira Lee could not crack the rotation. Both are solid players that could have contributed a lot more.

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Arizona has 6 players returning for next season and no one signed for 2018. On the bright side, maybe Ira Lee could actually see minutes.

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Welcome back. Glad to see you here again.

If Miller ends up somewhere else next season, would he be able to poach one of the returning six you mentioned? He got Mark Lyons to transfer from Xavier, after he himself left as head coach of Xavier to take the Arizona job.

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If you'd attended the Cal v AZ game in Haas this year, I doubt that you'd have kept that opinion on Ira Lee. I don't believe that Barcello took off his warm ups at all during the game.

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Well, I picked a single game but saw several of arizona's games this year and saw nothing impressive from Lee. Go ahead and play the sample size card but at least I watched some games upon which I could actually form an opinion based on his on court play.

Not playing any card. Just judging off my experiences in watching him in HS when he's played more than scant role off the bench. He'll likely get a chance to play bigger minutes next season. We'll see who's right.

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I doubt it. You can't judge a player by a game or even a couple of games. Lee would have started for Cal this past season. That's not saying much, but still...he was capable of having a role for AZ. Instead they went with a 2 center set-up, which hurt their defense and killed them against a Buffalo team that played 4-out.

petalumabear said:

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tsubamoto2001 said:

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Lyons was a grad transfer and eligible immediately, which won't be the case with anyone left for AZ. Plus, the remaining players likely feel they were shafted in playing time. It befuddled me that Alex Barcello and Ira Lee could not crack the rotation. Both are solid players that could have contributed a lot more.

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tsubamoto2001 said:

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Arizona has 6 players returning for next season and no one signed for 2018. On the bright side, maybe Ira Lee could actually see minutes.

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Welcome back. Glad to see you here again.

If Miller ends up somewhere else next season, would he be able to poach one of the returning six you mentioned? He got Mark Lyons to transfer from Xavier, after he himself left as head coach of Xavier to take the Arizona job.

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If you'd attended the Cal v AZ game in Haas this year, I doubt that you'd have kept that opinion on Ira Lee. I don't believe that Barcello took off his warm ups at all during the game.

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Well, I picked a single game but saw several of arizona's games this year and saw nothing impressive from Lee. Go ahead and play the sample size card but at least I watched some games upon which I could actually form an opinion based on his on court play.

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tsubamoto2001 said:

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Not playing any card. Just judging off my experiences in watching him in HS when he's played more than scant role off the bench. He'll likely get a chance to play bigger minutes next season. We'll see who's right.

petalumabear said:

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I doubt it. You can't judge a player by a game or even a couple of games. Lee would have started for Cal this past season. That's not saying much, but still...he was capable of having a role for AZ. Instead they went with a 2 center set-up, which hurt their defense and killed them against a Buffalo team that played 4-out.

petalumabear said:

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tsubamoto2001 said:

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Lyons was a grad transfer and eligible immediately, which won't be the case with anyone left for AZ. Plus, the remaining players likely feel they were shafted in playing time. It befuddled me that Alex Barcello and Ira Lee could not crack the rotation. Both are solid players that could have contributed a lot more.

SFCityBear said:

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tsubamoto2001 said:

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Arizona has 6 players returning for next season and no one signed for 2018. On the bright side, maybe Ira Lee could actually see minutes.

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Welcome back. Glad to see you here again.

If Miller ends up somewhere else next season, would he be able to poach one of the returning six you mentioned? He got Mark Lyons to transfer from Xavier, after he himself left as head coach of Xavier to take the Arizona job.

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If you'd attended the Cal v AZ game in Haas this year, I doubt that you'd have kept that opinion on Ira Lee. I don't believe that Barcello took off his warm ups at all during the game.

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Well, I picked a single game but saw several of arizona's games this year and saw nothing impressive from Lee. Go ahead and play the sample size card but at least I watched some games upon which I could actually form an opinion based on his on court play.

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Perfect. Now you go to NEXT season when we were clearly talking about the just finished season. Keep shuffling....here are the 2017-18 stats for you to dismiss.

Player # Class Pos Height Weight Hometown High School Summary
DeAndre Ayton 13 FR F 7-1 250 Bahamas 20.1 Pts, 11.6 Reb, 1.6 Ast
Allonzo Trier 35 JR G 6-4 190 Seattle, WA Montrose Christian (MD) / Findlay Prep (NV) 18.1 Pts, 3.0 Reb, 3.2 Ast
Dusan Ristic 14 SR C 7-0 240 Serbia Sunrise Christian Academy 12.2 Pts, 6.9 Reb, 0.9 Ast
Rawle Alkins 1 G 6-5 220 Brooklyn, NY Christ the King 13.1 Pts, 4.8 Reb, 2.5 Ast
Parker Jackson-Cartwright 0 SR G 5-8 150 Los Angeles, CA Sierra Canyon HS 7.8 Pts, 2.4 Reb, 4.5 Ast
Dylan Smith 3 SO G 6-5 170 Mobile, AL Hoover HS 4.3 Pts, 1.6 Reb, 1.1 Ast
Brandon Randolph 5 FR G 6-6 175 Yonkers, NY 3.7 Pts, 0.8 Reb, 0.8 Ast
Keanu Pinder 25 SR F 6-9 220 Perth, WA Sunrise Christian Academy 2.3 Pts, 2.1 Reb, 0.1 Ast

Ira Lee 11 FR F 6-7 235 Los Angeles, CA 2.4 Pts, 2.3 Reb, 0.4 Ast

Emmanuel Akot 24 FR G 6-7 200 Winnipeg, MB 1.8 Pts, 1.1 Reb, 0.8 Ast
Alex Barcello 23 FR G 6-2 180 Chandler, AZ 2.4 Pts, 1.0 Reb, 0.9 Ast
Tyler Trillo 50 JR G 5-11 170 Southbury, CT Terryville High School 1.5 Pts, 0.0 Reb, 0.0 Ast
Jake Desjardins 55 SO F 6-6 215 Henderson, NV Coronado High School 0.7 Pts, 1.0 Reb, 0.3 Ast
Talbott Denny 20 SR F 6-6 205 Tucson, AZ Salpointe Catholic HS 0.3 Pts, 0.0 Reb, 0.0 Ast
Matt Weyand 54 F 6-5 190 0.0 Pts, 0.0 Reb, 0.0 Ast
Chase Jeter 4 F 6-10 230 Las Vegas, NV Bishop Gorman HS
Kory Jones 52 G 6-3 170 Westfield High School

Looks very blah to me...

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If you'd attended the Cal v AZ game in Haas this year, I doubt that you'd have kept that opinion on Ira Lee. I don't believe that Barcello took off his warm ups at all during the game.

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I was at the game and I came away unimpressed with Ayton. Yes, physical specimen, athletic freak, but not so skilled. Just one game, I know. Can he create his own shot, keep the offense flowing? What does he bring to the table besides rebounding and blocked shots? Sure a top 10 pick but no-brainer #1? I'd like to see some instant translatable NBA offense from a #1 pick. Don't see it with him.

Uh, we ain't talking about any season specifically here. You said I'd have a different opinion on Lee based on one game, I told you "no, I wouldn't." What exactly is your issue, that I have a different opinion than you on Ira Lee? Lol. Chill.

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Not playing any card. Just judging off my experiences in watching him in HS when he's played more than scant role off the bench. He'll likely get a chance to play bigger minutes next season. We'll see who's right.

petalumabear said:

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I doubt it. You can't judge a player by a game or even a couple of games. Lee would have started for Cal this past season. That's not saying much, but still...he was capable of having a role for AZ. Instead they went with a 2 center set-up, which hurt their defense and killed them against a Buffalo team that played 4-out.

petalumabear said:

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tsubamoto2001 said:

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Lyons was a grad transfer and eligible immediately, which won't be the case with anyone left for AZ. Plus, the remaining players likely feel they were shafted in playing time. It befuddled me that Alex Barcello and Ira Lee could not crack the rotation. Both are solid players that could have contributed a lot more.

SFCityBear said:

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tsubamoto2001 said:

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Arizona has 6 players returning for next season and no one signed for 2018. On the bright side, maybe Ira Lee could actually see minutes.

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Welcome back. Glad to see you here again.

If Miller ends up somewhere else next season, would he be able to poach one of the returning six you mentioned? He got Mark Lyons to transfer from Xavier, after he himself left as head coach of Xavier to take the Arizona job.

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If you'd attended the Cal v AZ game in Haas this year, I doubt that you'd have kept that opinion on Ira Lee. I don't believe that Barcello took off his warm ups at all during the game.

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Well, I picked a single game but saw several of arizona's games this year and saw nothing impressive from Lee. Go ahead and play the sample size card but at least I watched some games upon which I could actually form an opinion based on his on court play.

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Perfect. Now you go to NEXT season when we were clearly talking about the just finished season. Keep shuffling....here are the 2017-18 stats for you to dismiss.

Player # Class Pos Height Weight Hometown High School Summary
DeAndre Ayton 13 FR F 7-1 250 Bahamas 20.1 Pts, 11.6 Reb, 1.6 Ast
Allonzo Trier 35 JR G 6-4 190 Seattle, WA Montrose Christian (MD) / Findlay Prep (NV) 18.1 Pts, 3.0 Reb, 3.2 Ast
Dusan Ristic 14 SR C 7-0 240 Serbia Sunrise Christian Academy 12.2 Pts, 6.9 Reb, 0.9 Ast
Rawle Alkins 1 G 6-5 220 Brooklyn, NY Christ the King 13.1 Pts, 4.8 Reb, 2.5 Ast
Parker Jackson-Cartwright 0 SR G 5-8 150 Los Angeles, CA Sierra Canyon HS 7.8 Pts, 2.4 Reb, 4.5 Ast
Dylan Smith 3 SO G 6-5 170 Mobile, AL Hoover HS 4.3 Pts, 1.6 Reb, 1.1 Ast
Brandon Randolph 5 FR G 6-6 175 Yonkers, NY 3.7 Pts, 0.8 Reb, 0.8 Ast
Keanu Pinder 25 SR F 6-9 220 Perth, WA Sunrise Christian Academy 2.3 Pts, 2.1 Reb, 0.1 Ast

Ira Lee 11 FR F 6-7 235 Los Angeles, CA 2.4 Pts, 2.3 Reb, 0.4 Ast

Emmanuel Akot 24 FR G 6-7 200 Winnipeg, MB 1.8 Pts, 1.1 Reb, 0.8 Ast
Alex Barcello 23 FR G 6-2 180 Chandler, AZ 2.4 Pts, 1.0 Reb, 0.9 Ast
Tyler Trillo 50 JR G 5-11 170 Southbury, CT Terryville High School 1.5 Pts, 0.0 Reb, 0.0 Ast
Jake Desjardins 55 SO F 6-6 215 Henderson, NV Coronado High School 0.7 Pts, 1.0 Reb, 0.3 Ast
Talbott Denny 20 SR F 6-6 205 Tucson, AZ Salpointe Catholic HS 0.3 Pts, 0.0 Reb, 0.0 Ast
Matt Weyand 54 F 6-5 190 0.0 Pts, 0.0 Reb, 0.0 Ast
Chase Jeter 4 F 6-10 230 Las Vegas, NV Bishop Gorman HS
Kory Jones 52 G 6-3 170 Westfield High School

Looks very blah to me...

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If you'd attended the Cal v AZ game in Haas this year, I doubt that you'd have kept that opinion on Ira Lee. I don't believe that Barcello took off his warm ups at all during the game.

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I was at the game and I came away unimpressed with Ayton. Yes, physical specimen, athletic freak, but not so skilled. Just one game, I know. Can he create his own shot, keep the offense flowing? What does he bring to the table besides rebounding and blocked shots? Sure a top 10 pick but no-brainer #1? I'd like to see some instant translatable NBA offense from a #1 pick. Don't see it with him.

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He doesn't even block shots particularly well.

https://www.theringer.com/march-madness/2018/3/16/17129698/deandre-ayton-buffalo-defense-ncaa-tournament

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Low block numbers are the biggest red flag in Ayton's statistical profile. They improved over the second half of the season from his historically poor performance in the first nine games, but he still lags far behind his peers. Here's what the last three big men taken with the no. 1 overall pick did in their only college seasons:

How Does Ayton's Shot-Blocking Stack Up to Past No. 1 Picks?

Blocks per 40 minutes

Anthony Davis, 2012, 5.8

Greg Oden, 2008, 4.5

Karl-Anthony Towns, 2015, 4.3

Deandre Ayton, 2018 (projected)
2.6

Blocks, in and of themselves, don't mean anything. They are important because of what they represent in terms of protecting the rim. A center will alter far more shots than he'll block in the NBA. Professional guards are bigger, more athletic, and more creative than their collegiate counterparts. Block rates plummet at the next level. Davis is blocking 2.4 shots per 36 minutes of playing time this season, and Towns is at 1.5. Ayton will be declining from a much lower starting point than either.

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(Note: I have no idea why it says "Projected" for Ayton, as his season is done and this was written after the season. I looked it up and his actual blocks/40 mins was even lower - 2.3).

Ayton's got a very good offensive skill set combined with elite physical tools, which is why he's in the mix for the top pick. How many centers could work in the low block like a true big and also face you up like a wing?

He's a poor defender, however, which is why Arizona had one of its worse defensive teams under Miller. Whether it's because of a poor awareness, lack of desire, or whatever, Ayton wasn't the defender a guy with his physical makeup should be.

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BC Calfan said:

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If you'd attended the Cal v AZ game in Haas this year, I doubt that you'd have kept that opinion on Ira Lee. I don't believe that Barcello took off his warm ups at all during the game.

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I was at the game and I came away unimpressed with Ayton. Yes, physical specimen, athletic freak, but not so skilled. Just one game, I know. Can he create his own shot, keep the offense flowing? What does he bring to the table besides rebounding and blocked shots? Sure a top 10 pick but no-brainer #1? I'd like to see some instant translatable NBA offense from a #1 pick. Don't see it with him.

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He doesn't even block shots particularly well.

https://www.theringer.com/march-madness/2018/3/16/17129698/deandre-ayton-buffalo-defense-ncaa-tournament

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Low block numbers are the biggest red flag in Ayton's statistical profile. They improved over the second half of the season from his historically poor performance in the first nine games, but he still lags far behind his peers. Here's what the last three big men taken with the no. 1 overall pick did in their only college seasons:

How Does Ayton's Shot-Blocking Stack Up to Past No. 1 Picks?

Blocks per 40 minutes

Anthony Davis, 2012, 5.8

Greg Oden, 2008, 4.5

Karl-Anthony Towns, 2015, 4.3

Deandre Ayton, 2018 (projected)
2.6

Blocks, in and of themselves, don't mean anything. They are important because of what they represent in terms of protecting the rim. A center will alter far more shots than he'll block in the NBA. Professional guards are bigger, more athletic, and more creative than their collegiate counterparts. Block rates plummet at the next level. Davis is blocking 2.4 shots per 36 minutes of playing time this season, and Towns is at 1.5. Ayton will be declining from a much lower starting point than either.

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(Note: I have no idea why it says "Projected" for Ayton, as his season is done and this was written after the season. I looked it up and his actual blocks/40 mins was even lower - 2.3).

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What is the bigger humiliation/disappointment?

A) Cal with Brown, Rabb and Wallace not getting past the first weekend and our coach out the door

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B) the current AZ team not getting past the first weekend and their coach being kicked out the door

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Cal didn't have Wallace for the first weekend. Or Bird. That was part of the problem.

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Ayton's got a very good offensive skill set combined with elite physical tools, which is why he's in the mix for the top pick. How many centers could work in the low block like a true big and also face you up like a wing?

He's a poor defender, however, which is why Arizona had one of its worse defensive teams under Miller. Whether it's because of a poor awareness, lack of desire, or whatever, Ayton wasn't the defender a guy with his physical makeup should be.

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To be fair, he played with guards and wings who were really poor defenders as well, and that didn't help much. They couldn't stop the ball to save their lives.

If he really is young and lands on a team with a good staff he'll end up very good I think. Which is always a question for high picks.

I find this a little hard to believe but ESPN's Jeff Goodman thinks Sean Miller would take the Pitt HC gig and says they've reached out to him.

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/basketball/2018/3/20/17145124/sean-miller-pittsburgh-hire-candidate-arizona-fired-goodman-hurley-head-coach-salary-contract

And a local writer in Pittsburgh also believes Miller is interested.

http://pittsburghsportsnow.com/2018/03/20/sources-sean-miller-interested-return-to-pitt/

Donut boy to pierogi boy?

If Coach Miller reaches out 'cuff his Slavic buns.

If Miller goes to Pitt. I can see Arizona going after Damon Stoudamire, who is coaching at Pacific. Not sure what other candidates. Someone said Bibby or Miles Simon. I really don't care for Arizona. Not sure how this impact recruiting for Cal.

S.Miller has just been quoted as not being interested in the Pittsburg job

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The above tweets and articles are worth a closer look by some.

Not because you should/do care about the pastry eating boy in Tuscon.....

But wrap your head around the idea that the board of governors of the public university of Pittsburgh has an ATHLETIC committee. This isn't abnormal. Consider the chaos (but probably the winning record) if the UC Regents has 6-7 people that met to oversee athletics.

THe mind boggles.

Depends entirely on who is ON the committee. Also, committees tend to be cautious and are not at all nimble.

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The above tweets and articles are worth a closer look by some.

Not because you should/do care about the pastry eating boy in Tuscon.....

But wrap your head around the idea that the board of governors of the public university of Pittsburgh has an ATHLETIC committee. This isn't abnormal. Consider the chaos (but probably the winning record) if the UC Regents has 6-7 people that met to oversee athletics.

THe mind boggles.

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socaltownie said:

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The above tweets and articles are worth a closer look by some.

Not because you should/do care about the pastry eating boy in Tuscon.....

But wrap your head around the idea that the board of governors of the public university of Pittsburgh has an ATHLETIC committee. This isn't abnormal. Consider the chaos (but probably the winning record) if the UC Regents has 6-7 people that met to oversee athletics.

THe mind boggles.

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The idea that I can't get my head wrapped around is that a university so badly wants to be better at putting a ball through a metal ring that it actively and openly considered getting a coach who is reportedly under FBI investigation before that situation is resolved, that the rest of the world doesn't bat an eye at this and acts like it is totally normal, and that the lawyers have to step in and say ***!

College sports is so totally screwed up it is unbelievable. (and yes, I know a lot of people here think my attitude is why Cal loses and there is a problem with that)

You new to this planet?

OaktownBear said:

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socaltownie said:

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EricBear said:

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The above tweets and articles are worth a closer look by some.

Not because you should/do care about the pastry eating boy in Tuscon.....

But wrap your head around the idea that the board of governors of the public university of Pittsburgh has an ATHLETIC committee. This isn't abnormal. Consider the chaos (but probably the winning record) if the UC Regents has 6-7 people that met to oversee athletics.

THe mind boggles.

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The idea that I can't get my head wrapped around is that a university so badly wants to be better at putting a ball through a metal ring that it actively and openly considered getting a coach who is reportedly under FBI investigation before that situation is resolved, that the rest of the world doesn't bat an eye at this and acts like it is totally normal, and that the lawyers have to step in and say ***!

College sports is so totally screwed up it is unbelievable. (and yes, I know a lot of people here think my attitude is why Cal loses and there is a problem with that)

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So seriously the acronym double you tee eff is censored? Just checking if I can say FUBAR or SNAFU.

Why are we subjected to a censor screen that removes words we've all heard since we were 6 years old? By the way mods, that isn't rhetorical. I'm genuinely interested in the answer

Edit: Okay so why can I say FUBAR and SNAFU when it is the same "F"?

Have you considered terms like WtPhfuch, wat de fok, ouate de phoque?

Let's see how many of these disgusting filthy words get past the filter:

Dajo **** piss **** **** ********** mother****er tits

Edit: wow, they let Dajo, piss, and tits get through...

You have a very valid point.

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We don't write the software so not much we can do about it.

Seems a little overly-zealous, though.

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joe amos yaks said:

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Have you considered terms like WtPhfuch, wat de fok, ouate de phoque?

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No. I can't eat Thai Food.

Bobodeluxe said:

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joe amos yaks said:

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Have you considered terms like WtPhfuch, wat de fok, ouate de phoque?

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No. I can't eat Thai Food.

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Ouate de phoque -- you're supposed eat Thai food with a fork and spoon . . . and add your own chili flakes. It's not supposed to knock you on your asz. Thai food is about a balance of flavors . . . spicy, sweet, salty, sour, bitter, umami.

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Let's see how many of these disgusting filthy words get past the filter:

Dajo **** piss **** **** ********** mother****er tits

Edit: wow, they let Dajo, piss, and tits get through...

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As George Carlin always used to say, tits doesn't even belong on the list . . .