Risk Stansbury is no slouch as a coach. They also have a great exchange program with University of Akureyri in Iceland!Big C said:
Somebody explain to me why a top prospect would go to Western Kentucky? I'm guessing their school color is now "green", if you catch my drift.
And please, don't anybody answer this by asking why a top prospect would come to Cal! Really, do not. (The reason is because we are the good guys.)
BeachedBear said:Risk Stansbury is no slouch as a coach. They also have a great exchange program with University of Akureyri in Iceland!Big C said:
Somebody explain to me why a top prospect would go to Western Kentucky? I'm guessing their school color is now "green", if you catch my drift.
And please, don't anybody answer this by asking why a top prospect would come to Cal! Really, do not. (The reason is because we are the good guys.)
Great mascot.Big C said:
Somebody explain to me why a top prospect would go to Western Kentucky? I'm guessing their school color is now "green", if you catch my drift.
And please, don't anybody answer this by asking why a top prospect would come to Cal! Really, do not. (The reason is because we are the good guys.)
bluehenbear said:
Let the board meltdown begin...or will it be after the mystery grad transfer decides to stay put?
Damn, dude.parentswerebears said:bluehenbear said:
Let the board meltdown begin...or will it be after the mystery grad transfer decides to stay put?
Nope. No meltdown. Just me. That's because nobody gives a **** about Cal Men's basketball. They have given up all hope, at least with the current coach.
I care, but from a distance. They have to show me something before I am willing to invest a lot into the program.parentswerebears said:bluehenbear said:
Let the board meltdown begin...or will it be after the mystery grad transfer decides to stay put?
Nope. No meltdown. Just me. That's because nobody gives a **** about Cal Men's basketball. They have given up all hope, at least with the current coach.
PWB. . . it's just a game. There is a lot of forces out there trying to make it more than that, but at the end of the day it's young men playing basketball (and some people making a lot of money off of that - none of whom are complaining). We're in a down cycle and Jones maybe gets more heat than he may deserve - because some people need a target to vent their frustration. It's a tough time to be overly supportive - so why not be quietly supportive until there is something to cheer about (like first game of the season).parentswerebears said:bluehenbear said:
Let the board meltdown begin...or will it be after the mystery grad transfer decides to stay put?
Nope. No meltdown. Just me. That's because nobody gives a **** about Cal Men's basketball. They have given up all hope, at least with the current coach.
Less. Far, far less.BeachedBear said:
Jones maybe gets more heat than he may deserve
I generally agree with you HTP, but I think there needs to be (will be) an interim judgment at the end of 2018/2019. I'm not sure what the exact metrics are going to be, but improvement must be seen and fewer mistakes than last season. Jones no longer has the excuse for it being his first year as a coach. He was a stretch hire, that would be called 'probationary' in most other circles.helltopay1 said:
Dear Yogi & others who are of a like-minded persuasion: any criticism and /or praise for WJ will have to wait until after the 2019-2020 season. That's the year he will be judged on how well/poorly his recruits performed for the entire year. Any praise/criticism before that season is premature because it will be based upon incomplete information. I am willing to wait. Who else its willing to wait? How would you like your performance at work, at school or at home to be based upon incomplete information/ didn't think so.
Look, I'm a patient Wyking defender, but we need to show noticeable improvement over last season. Maybe that means going minimum 12-20 overall, 5-13 conference, or maybe the improvement is measured holistically. I'll know it when I see it, but we need to show better play on the court and keep the recruiting going.helltopay1 said:
Dear souse: Good post. John Madden always made the point that you have to wait three years before you can fairly evaluate a draft. We should adopt this as a model, always, allowing, of course, that there will always be apples and oranges during this period. I might be inclined to give WJ a grade after 2018-2019 but I hesitate to do so because he does not have the tools in the front court available to other teams. So, let's see if he can recruit at least one top-flight man this fall and let';s see how this man jells with his other teammates during the season. Anyone is free to evaluate WJ at any time. it's a free country. For me, I will be totally prepared to evaluate the entire program after the 2019-2020 season. time for breakfast.
I've been a WJ defender as well, but I think 12-20/5-13 (you can only go 5-12 if one game is cancelled) is not good enough. He's got some decent players with a year under their belts (McNeill, JHD, Sueing) and some promising freshmen. If he can get the team near to .500, I think he's going to be in trouble.Big C said:Look, I'm a patient Wyking defender, but we need to show noticeable improvement over last season. Maybe that means going minimum 12-20 overall, 5-12 conference, or maybe the improvement is measured holistically. I'll know it when I see it, but we need to show better play on the court and keep the recruiting going.helltopay1 said:
Dear souse: Good post. John Madden always made the point that you have to wait three years before you can fairly evaluate a draft. We should adopt this as a model, always, allowing, of course, that there will always be apples and oranges during this period. I might be inclined to give WJ a grade after 2018-2019 but I hesitate to do so because he does not have the tools in the front court available to other teams. So, let's see if he can recruit at least one top-flight man this fall and let';s see how this man jells with his other teammates during the season. Anyone is free to evaluate WJ at any time. it's a free country. For me, I will be totally prepared to evaluate the entire program after the 2019-2020 season. time for breakfast.
And I think we will. That bar is not set very high (but it will keep getting raised).
I can't believe I wrote 5-12 as a conference record! (edited)UrsaMajor said:I've been a WJ defender as well, but I think 12-20/5-13 (you can only go 5-12 if one game is cancelled) is not good enough. He's got some decent players with a year under their belts (McNeill, JHD, Sueing) and some promising freshmen. If he can get the team near to .500, I think he's going to be in trouble.Big C said:Look, I'm a patient Wyking defender, but we need to show noticeable improvement over last season. Maybe that means going minimum 12-20 overall, 5-12 conference, or maybe the improvement is measured holistically. I'll know it when I see it, but we need to show better play on the court and keep the recruiting going.helltopay1 said:
Dear souse: Good post. John Madden always made the point that you have to wait three years before you can fairly evaluate a draft. We should adopt this as a model, always, allowing, of course, that there will always be apples and oranges during this period. I might be inclined to give WJ a grade after 2018-2019 but I hesitate to do so because he does not have the tools in the front court available to other teams. So, let's see if he can recruit at least one top-flight man this fall and let';s see how this man jells with his other teammates during the season. Anyone is free to evaluate WJ at any time. it's a free country. For me, I will be totally prepared to evaluate the entire program after the 2019-2020 season. time for breakfast.
And I think we will. That bar is not set very high (but it will keep getting raised).
Savior grad recruit or not this is a couple year rebuild. Essentially no front court experience, very young everywhere but at point guard, a new point guard, and no real sense at this time of offensive or defensive identity. What could possibly go wrong? Your very right about needing patience, and for ability to see WJ after next season depends on the patience of the new AD and donors.Big C said:I can't believe I wrote 5-12 as a conference record! (edited)UrsaMajor said:I've been a WJ defender as well, but I think 12-20/5-13 (you can only go 5-12 if one game is cancelled) is not good enough. He's got some decent players with a year under their belts (McNeill, JHD, Sueing) and some promising freshmen. If he can get the team near to .500, I think he's going to be in trouble.Big C said:Look, I'm a patient Wyking defender, but we need to show noticeable improvement over last season. Maybe that means going minimum 12-20 overall, 5-12 conference, or maybe the improvement is measured holistically. I'll know it when I see it, but we need to show better play on the court and keep the recruiting going.helltopay1 said:
Dear souse: Good post. John Madden always made the point that you have to wait three years before you can fairly evaluate a draft. We should adopt this as a model, always, allowing, of course, that there will always be apples and oranges during this period. I might be inclined to give WJ a grade after 2018-2019 but I hesitate to do so because he does not have the tools in the front court available to other teams. So, let's see if he can recruit at least one top-flight man this fall and let';s see how this man jells with his other teammates during the season. Anyone is free to evaluate WJ at any time. it's a free country. For me, I will be totally prepared to evaluate the entire program after the 2019-2020 season. time for breakfast.
And I think we will. That bar is not set very high (but it will keep getting raised).
You're right: I really lowered the bar after another poster mentioned Enfield's 2-16 and then 3-15, plus another poster's prediction of single-digit wins (overall record).
Point is, if this next year's team shows significant improvement (again, I'll know it when I see it) and WJ is still recruiting well, I think he survives to try a third season. And after last year's debacle, the Bears could still be pretty crappy, overall, but be significantly improved from 2017-18.
I can wait another year, as long as we are obviously headed in the right direction.