Jabari Bird Arrested for Assault in Brighton

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Big Dog said:

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I hate to say this, but earlier in the season, the Bears had their chance to win the right to go to the Rose Bowl by beating UCLA themselves and failed, when Muncie dropped a wide open 4th down pass over the middle at Memorial Stadium. I was there and saw it happen.

With all due respect, SFCity, Cal tied for the Pac8 Championship in 1975, and Cal visited the Coliseum to play UCLA that year. Cal lost to UCLA 28-14, and since they won the head-to-head, they went to the Rose Bowl. I remember the game well, since I received my first speeding ticket in Salinas as we drove down to the game.

(Joe Roth beat 'SC in Memorial that year. The '76 team had a losing record due, in part, to Joe's declining health.)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_California_Golden_Bears_football_team


I have vivid memories of that game and weekend, all of them bad. I drove down to the UCLA game too. A guy I barely knew in the dorms overheard me discussing my plans to drive down Friday and he offered to let me stay with his family if I gave him ride down and back. Sounded great, so I took him up on it. The guy turned out to be a leech. I didn't have much in common with him and I couldn't do anything the whole weekend without him being right at my side. I didn't get down to LA often, so I was hoping to explore and he cramped my style. As bad as the game turned out, it was even worse because I developed a splitting headache right before kickoff and was miserable the whole rest of the night. Then the next day, I was in such a hurry to get back to Berkeley and be free of my traveling companion that, like you, I got a speeding ticket on I-5. I'd been doing about 80 to 85 the whole way, so I figured I'd earned it. Fortunately, I was only written up for doing 75.
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no. i dont get it either.
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This whole episode is very sad in so many ways. For the victim, Jabari, and their friends and families. The news that he had earlier sought treatment for anxiety issues takes me back to one of the very few beefs I have gotten into with another poster on this forum.

Recall that Jabari was a last minute scratch from the NCAA tournament game against Hawaii because of back spasms. That night, after the loss, a poster claimed that Jabari was "mentally weak," and such weakness caused him to either fake the back spasms, or to have the back spasms and/or to be unable to play through the spasms--he actually referred to the Ronnie Lott finger joint amputation episode as an example of someone who is mentally strong in the face of physical adversity. I defended Jabari and the string eventually reached the point of such craziness that the mods removed it.

Well, hmmm.....
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

...I have vivid memories of that game and weekend, all of them bad. I drove down to the UCLA game too. A guy I barely knew in the dorms overheard me discussing my plans to drive down Friday and he offered to let me stay with his family if I gave him ride down and back. Sounded great, so I took him up on it. The guy turned out to be a leech. I didn't have much in common with him and I couldn't do anything the whole weekend without him being right at my side. I didn't get down to LA often, so I was hoping to explore and he cramped my style. As bad as the game turned out, it was even worse because I developed a splitting headache right before kickoff and was miserable the whole rest of the night. Then the next day, I was in such a hurry to get back to Berkeley and be free of my traveling companion that, like you, I got a speeding ticket on I-5. I'd been doing about 80 to 85 the whole way, so I figured I'd earned it. Fortunately, I was only written up for doing 75.

..I have a mental image of you and your traveling companion on that trip.


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MSaviolives said:

This whole episode is very sad in so many ways. For the victim, Jabari, and their friends and families. The news that he had earlier sought treatment for anxiety issues takes me back to one of the very few beefs I have gotten into with another poster on this forum.

Recall that Jabari was a last minute scratch from the NCAA tournament game against Hawaii because of back spasms. That night, after the loss, a poster claimed that Jabari was "mentally weak," and such weakness caused him to either fake the back spasms, or to have the back spasms and/or to be unable to play through the spasms--he actually referred to the Ronnie Lott finger joint amputation episode as an example of someone who is mentally strong in the face of physical adversity. I defended Jabari and the string eventually reached the point of such craziness that the mods removed it.

Well, hmmm.....
I don't understand your point. Jabari is mentally weak, in that he appears to have a legitimate mental illness...
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Calling someone "mentally weak" is a throwback to these horrible days:



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Chapman_is_Gone said:

MSaviolives said:

This whole episode is very sad in so many ways. For the victim, Jabari, and their friends and families. The news that he had earlier sought treatment for anxiety issues takes me back to one of the very few beefs I have gotten into with another poster on this forum.

Recall that Jabari was a last minute scratch from the NCAA tournament game against Hawaii because of back spasms. That night, after the loss, a poster claimed that Jabari was "mentally weak," and such weakness caused him to either fake the back spasms, or to have the back spasms and/or to be unable to play through the spasms--he actually referred to the Ronnie Lott finger joint amputation episode as an example of someone who is mentally strong in the face of physical adversity. I defended Jabari and the string eventually reached the point of such craziness that the mods removed it.

Well, hmmm.....
I don't understand your point. Jabari is mentally weak, in that he appears to have a legitimate mental illness...
Are you a licensed psychiatrist, and have you examined Jabari Bird? If not, then lighten up. Let him and his girlfriend have their day in court. They are entitled to that.
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Chapman_is_Gone said:

MSaviolives said:

This whole episode is very sad in so many ways. For the victim, Jabari, and their friends and families. The news that he had earlier sought treatment for anxiety issues takes me back to one of the very few beefs I have gotten into with another poster on this forum.

Recall that Jabari was a last minute scratch from the NCAA tournament game against Hawaii because of back spasms. That night, after the loss, a poster claimed that Jabari was "mentally weak," and such weakness caused him to either fake the back spasms, or to have the back spasms and/or to be unable to play through the spasms--he actually referred to the Ronnie Lott finger joint amputation episode as an example of someone who is mentally strong in the face of physical adversity. I defended Jabari and the string eventually reached the point of such craziness that the mods removed it.

Well, hmmm.....
I don't understand your point. Jabari is mentally weak, in that he appears to have a legitimate mental illness...
Successfully dealing with mental illness (on a higher level of intensity than the rest of us have to deal with, because none of us is entirely free of it), and overcoming it is definitely doable, actually makes people mentally strong, and in fact stronger than the rest of us who haven't had to face ourselves and our weaknesses and demons..
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Good post!
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mikecohen said:

Chapman_is_Gone said:

MSaviolives said:

This whole episode is very sad in so many ways. For the victim, Jabari, and their friends and families. The news that he had earlier sought treatment for anxiety issues takes me back to one of the very few beefs I have gotten into with another poster on this forum.

Recall that Jabari was a last minute scratch from the NCAA tournament game against Hawaii because of back spasms. That night, after the loss, a poster claimed that Jabari was "mentally weak," and such weakness caused him to either fake the back spasms, or to have the back spasms and/or to be unable to play through the spasms--he actually referred to the Ronnie Lott finger joint amputation episode as an example of someone who is mentally strong in the face of physical adversity. I defended Jabari and the string eventually reached the point of such craziness that the mods removed it.

Well, hmmm.....
I don't understand your point. Jabari is mentally weak, in that he appears to have a legitimate mental illness...
Successfully dealing with mental illness (on a higher level of intensity than the rest of us have to deal with, because none of us is entirely free of it), and overcoming it is definitely doable, actually makes people mentally strong, and in fact stronger than the rest of us who haven't had to face ourselves and our weaknesses and demons..
Just depends on how you want to spin it, right? I say mentally weak, you say mentally strong. I can see it both ways, but your way definitely involves more spin. I don't spin for people, simply because they can jump high and put a round ball through a metal circle.

I do agree, though, that it does take a certain mental fortitude to be able to choke a woman to the point of her nearly blacking out, to let her recover, and then to return to the well by doing it again, and again, and again...
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Chapman_is_Gone said:

mikecohen said:

Chapman_is_Gone said:

MSaviolives said:

This whole episode is very sad in so many ways. For the victim, Jabari, and their friends and families. The news that he had earlier sought treatment for anxiety issues takes me back to one of the very few beefs I have gotten into with another poster on this forum.

Recall that Jabari was a last minute scratch from the NCAA tournament game against Hawaii because of back spasms. That night, after the loss, a poster claimed that Jabari was "mentally weak," and such weakness caused him to either fake the back spasms, or to have the back spasms and/or to be unable to play through the spasms--he actually referred to the Ronnie Lott finger joint amputation episode as an example of someone who is mentally strong in the face of physical adversity. I defended Jabari and the string eventually reached the point of such craziness that the mods removed it.

Well, hmmm.....
I don't understand your point. Jabari is mentally weak, in that he appears to have a legitimate mental illness...
Successfully dealing with mental illness (on a higher level of intensity than the rest of us have to deal with, because none of us is entirely free of it), and overcoming it is definitely doable, actually makes people mentally strong, and in fact stronger than the rest of us who haven't had to face ourselves and our weaknesses and demons..
Just depends on how you want to spin it, right? I say mentally weak, you say mentally strong. I can see it both ways, but your way definitely involves more spin. I don't spin for people, simply because they can jump high and put a round ball through a metal circle.

I do agree, though, that it does take a certain mental fortitude to be able to choke a woman to the point of her nearly blacking out, to let her recover, and then to return to the well by doing it again, and again, and again...
No, but you will spin by embellishing and dramatizing the accuser's story, without having heard the story of the incident from the accused person, I guess because the accuser is a woman and must be believed, and you feel the need to help her case. Are you so mentally weak, you can't wait for Jabari Bird to tell his story? Guilty until proven innocent? It is thinking like this that resulted in our nation's sordid history of numerous vigilante lynchings with a rope in a rush to justice.

Bird has appeared in court, been charged with crimes, and has plead "not guilty" to those charges. Once the trial has taken place, we can learn his side of the story. If he is found guilty, you can hate him all you want. Until then, can't you reserve judgment in this case? Can't you give him the benefit of the doubt? Aren't you bigger than this, Chapman? I think you are.





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SFCityBear said:

Chapman_is_Gone said:

mikecohen said:

Chapman_is_Gone said:

MSaviolives said:

This whole episode is very sad in so many ways. For the victim, Jabari, and their friends and families. The news that he had earlier sought treatment for anxiety issues takes me back to one of the very few beefs I have gotten into with another poster on this forum.

Recall that Jabari was a last minute scratch from the NCAA tournament game against Hawaii because of back spasms. That night, after the loss, a poster claimed that Jabari was "mentally weak," and such weakness caused him to either fake the back spasms, or to have the back spasms and/or to be unable to play through the spasms--he actually referred to the Ronnie Lott finger joint amputation episode as an example of someone who is mentally strong in the face of physical adversity. I defended Jabari and the string eventually reached the point of such craziness that the mods removed it.

Well, hmmm.....
I don't understand your point. Jabari is mentally weak, in that he appears to have a legitimate mental illness...
Successfully dealing with mental illness (on a higher level of intensity than the rest of us have to deal with, because none of us is entirely free of it), and overcoming it is definitely doable, actually makes people mentally strong, and in fact stronger than the rest of us who haven't had to face ourselves and our weaknesses and demons..
Just depends on how you want to spin it, right? I say mentally weak, you say mentally strong. I can see it both ways, but your way definitely involves more spin. I don't spin for people, simply because they can jump high and put a round ball through a metal circle.

I do agree, though, that it does take a certain mental fortitude to be able to choke a woman to the point of her nearly blacking out, to let her recover, and then to return to the well by doing it again, and again, and again...
No, but you will spin by embellishing and dramatizing the accuser's story, without having heard the story of the incident from the accused person, I guess because the accuser is a woman and must be believed, and you feel the need to help her case. Are you so mentally weak, you can't wait for Jabari Bird to tell his story? Guilty until proven innocent? It is thinking like this that resulted in our nation's sordid history of numerous vigilante lynchings with a rope in a rush to justice.

Bird has appeared in court, been charged with crimes, and has plead "not guilty" to those charges. Once the trial has taken place, we can learn his side of the story. If he is found guilty, you can hate him all you want...


I will tell you my hunch after reading the articles. Unless Massachusetts accepts the "involuntarily intoxication by prescribed medication" defense and unless Jabari can prove said defense, his "side of the story" isn't worth jack guano and he will be serving a significant stretch. I don't care for the inference in your post that the victim has credibility issues. She could have made the whole thing up or grossly embellished the story but that situation is very long odds and you wouldn't bet on it. My guess is her neck bruises are all the corroboration she needs. Since I had previously formed a high opinion of Jabari's character, I truly hope it was an adverse reaction to psychotropic drugs that in effect rendered him temporarily insane.

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SFCityBear said:



Just for the record, I firmly believe that Jabari Bird should NOT be lynched.




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Chapman_is_Gone said:

mikecohen said:

Chapman_is_Gone said:

MSaviolives said:

This whole episode is very sad in so many ways. For the victim, Jabari, and their friends and families. The news that he had earlier sought treatment for anxiety issues takes me back to one of the very few beefs I have gotten into with another poster on this forum.

Recall that Jabari was a last minute scratch from the NCAA tournament game against Hawaii because of back spasms. That night, after the loss, a poster claimed that Jabari was "mentally weak," and such weakness caused him to either fake the back spasms, or to have the back spasms and/or to be unable to play through the spasms--he actually referred to the Ronnie Lott finger joint amputation episode as an example of someone who is mentally strong in the face of physical adversity. I defended Jabari and the string eventually reached the point of such craziness that the mods removed it.

Well, hmmm.....
I don't understand your point. Jabari is mentally weak, in that he appears to have a legitimate mental illness...
Successfully dealing with mental illness (on a higher level of intensity than the rest of us have to deal with, because none of us is entirely free of it), and overcoming it is definitely doable, actually makes people mentally strong, and in fact stronger than the rest of us who haven't had to face ourselves and our weaknesses and demons..
Just depends on how you want to spin it, right? I say mentally weak, you say mentally strong. I can see it both ways, but your way definitely involves more spin. I don't spin for people, simply because they can jump high and put a round ball through a metal circle.

I do agree, though, that it does take a certain mental fortitude to be able to choke a woman to the point of her nearly blacking out, to let her recover, and then to return to the well by doing it again, and again, and again...
I think you took me wrong. Let me see if I can better communicate what I was trying to express:

Firstly, I wanted to uncouple mental weakness from mental illness.

Then, I had nothing in mind about mental illness excusing the assault(s) - although I am certainly aware of the cases of extremely aberrant behavior triggered by psychotropic drugs prescribed for various mental/emotional conditions; and I do think that, if that was the case (especially the extraordinary amount of pressure a man in Jabari's particular position is in), that, in my mind at least, would definitely constitute an excuse, especially considering the apparently minor injuries the assault actually caused, and (IIRC) and the victim's lack of enthusiasm for criminal prosecution, or maybe just saying nice things about Jabari in general.

Really, what I was trying to say was about uncoupling mental weakness from mental illness, by pointing out that overcoming the latter can make one stronger, not only stronger than one previously was but also stronger than those of us who having had to face that level of intensity in our own mental problems (of which we have some).

Importantly: In making that point, I was not saying that Jabari HAD yet overcome those demons. Clearly, based on the (I think entirely credible) allegations, he has not (and I hope that should read "not yet"); but, from all previous information about him, I do believe that he could, and that doing so would be a great good for the world (as it is in whenever anyone is able to overcome that stuff, but perhaps more so when done by someone whose progress will become widely known because of his virtues in other areas - not just athletic prowess but in the way he has gone through the world, publicly, before crashing into the problem we are discussing)
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Dear Mr. Cohen: Minor injuries?????
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mr. Cohen; Here's a writing tip; try to limit your use of parentheses. You seem to have fondness for them. always have your reader in mind. Sometimes your parentheses are almost two or three sentences long, and, as a result, readers can be forgiven if they become confused trying to separate your declarative thoughts from your qualifiers. Yes--sometimes drugs are a causative factor when a "mentally ill" person commits an act of violence. many mentally ill people commit acts of violence without any drugs in their systems at all. In those cases where 'drugs" are thought to play a role in causation, there are many degrees of causation.
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helltopay1 said:

mr. Cohen; Here's a writing tip; try to limit your use of parentheses. You seem to have fondness for them. always have your reader in mind. Sometimes your parentheses are almost two or three sentences long, and, as a result, readers can be forgiven if they become confused trying to separate your declarative thoughts from your qualifiers.
I just skip everything he writes. Anyone who was a big fan of shocky's wasn't someone whose opinion I needed anyway.
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Yogi Bear said:

helltopay1 said:

mr. Cohen; Here's a writing tip; try to limit your use of parentheses. You seem to have fondness for them. always have your reader in mind. Sometimes your parentheses are almost two or three sentences long, and, as a result, readers can be forgiven if they become confused trying to separate your declarative thoughts from your qualifiers.
I just skip everything he writes. Anyone who was a big fan of shocky's wasn't someone whose opinion I needed anyway.


I think Mike is a pretty insightful guy that I learn from.
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