Dear Concord: I have to restrain myself. Every time I start talking about Bonny & Clyde I get into trouble
This is not a criminal proceedinghelltopay1 said:
Dear Barrister: Just a reminder. This is America. People are presumed innocent until PROVEN GUILTY BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. i hope you were sitting down when you received this news bulletin.
I'm dying to know how you feel 1984 and the Federalist Papers are relevant to what's happening to Judge Kavanaugh. Please feel to elaborate.helltopay1 said:
Dear Yogi: When they taught Civics in the fourth grade, you obviously skipped the entire year. Please put down your comic books and read 1984. Then read the Constitution. Then--read it again. Then read the Federalist papers. You've heard of jury nullification????This is an attempt at voter nullification. If Kavanaugh were a Democrat, every single Democrat would vote for him. Surely you know that. But you don't care. And that's a shame.
Speaking of voter nullification, read "Cyberwar: How Russian Hackers and Trolls Helped Elect a PresidentWhat We Don't, Can't, and Do Know," by Kathleen Hall Jamieson, a professor of communications at the University of Pennsylvania, dares to askand even attempts to answerwhether Russian meddling had a decisive impact in 2016. Jamieson offers a forensic analysis of the available evidence and concludes that Russia very likely delivered Trump's victory.helltopay1 said:
Dear Yogi: When they taught Civics in the fourth grade, you obviously skipped the entire year. Please put down your comic books and read 1984. Then read the Constitution. Then--read it again. Then read the Federalist papers. You've heard of jury nullification????This is an attempt at voter nullification. If Kavanaugh were a Democrat, every single Democrat would vote for him. Surely you know that. But you don't care. And that's a shame.
mikecohen said:Speaking of voter nullification, read "Cyberwar: How Russian Hackers and Trolls Helped Elect a PresidentWhat We Don't, Can't, and Do Know," by Kathleen Hall Jamieson, a professor of communications at the University of Pennsylvania, dares to askand even attempts to answerwhether Russian meddling had a decisive impact in 2016. Jamieson offers a forensic analysis of the available evidence and concludes that Russia very likely delivered Trump's victory.helltopay1 said:
Dear Yogi: When they taught Civics in the fourth grade, you obviously skipped the entire year. Please put down your comic books and read 1984. Then read the Constitution. Then--read it again. Then read the Federalist papers. You've heard of jury nullification????This is an attempt at voter nullification. If Kavanaugh were a Democrat, every single Democrat would vote for him. Surely you know that. But you don't care. And that's a shame.
helltopay1 said:
If Kavanaugh were a Democrat, every single Democrat would vote for him. Surely you know that. But you don't care. And that's a shame.
Two words for you: Merrick Garland.helltopay1 said:
You've heard of jury nullification????This is an attempt at voter nullification.
concernedparent said:helltopay1 said:
If Kavanaugh were a Democrat, every single Democrat would vote for him. Surely you know that. But you don't care. And that's a shame.
Yeah just like every Democrat came out in support of Al Franken when he sexually harassed women decades ago and totally didn't pressure him into resigning or anything.
Unfortunately, the evidence against Franken turned out to be a lot weaker and more compromised than the testimony by Dr. FordCivil Bear said:concernedparent said:helltopay1 said:
If Kavanaugh were a Democrat, every single Democrat would vote for him. Surely you know that. But you don't care. And that's a shame.
Yeah just like every Democrat came out in support of Al Franken when he sexually harassed women decades ago and totally didn't pressure him into resigning or anything.
Except that the Franken accusers actually had corroborating evidence. Maybe Bubba v. Jones, Broaddrick and Willey is a better example?
Chapman_is_Gone said:
Actually, what you see is a result of this message board having really poor tools in terms of quoting/editing/etc. The first pass at my post got messed up and the result made it appear that what I wrote was part of your quote...my attempt to fix the issue resulted in what is shown, with the original quote and my typing all appearing in the same greyed-out box. Life is too short to try to fix it a second time.
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All your other conspiracy BS is comical, though, like I have time or interest in my life to try to frame you.
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I'd ask for an apology if I actually cared what you think of me.
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Everyone can see you were the one who brought up the topic of lynching...let me give you a tip, old man: not a good idea when discussing a black man.
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And I did no embellishing or dramatizing... everything I wrote came from press accounts.
Civil Bear said:concernedparent said:helltopay1 said:
If Kavanaugh were a Democrat, every single Democrat would vote for him. Surely you know that. But you don't care. And that's a shame.
Yeah just like every Democrat came out in support of Al Franken when he sexually harassed women decades ago and totally didn't pressure him into resigning or anything.
Except that the Franken accusers actually had corroborating evidence. Maybe Bubba v. Jones, Broaddrick and Willey is a better example?
Ingest this answer and then wipe the talking point from your mind. You are completely wrong that every Democrat would vote for him if it were switched. You are projecting your belief that this is a game and all politics and that there are no real values here. We actually care about the accusation and on that basis we do not believe him or that he is a good choice for the Court. Okay. Did you hear that?. Did it sink in? You are wrong.helltopay1 said:
Dear Yogi: When they taught Civics in the fourth grade, you obviously skipped the entire year. Please put down your comic books and read 1984. Then read the Constitution. Then--read it again. Then read the Federalist papers. You've heard of jury nullification????This is an attempt at voter nullification. If Kavanaugh were a Democrat, every single Democrat would vote for him. Surely you know that. But you don't care. And that's a shame.
I hate to break it to you, but the exact same frustration is felt by righties, but with "republicans" and "democrats" reversed.blungld said:helltopay1 said:
Dear Yogi: When they taught Civics in the fourth grade, you obviously skipped the entire year. Please put down your comic books and read 1984. Then read the Constitution. Then--read it again. Then read the Federalist papers. You've heard of jury nullification????This is an attempt at voter nullification. If Kavanaugh were a Democrat, every single Democrat would vote for him. Surely you know that. But you don't care. And that's a shame.
This is so frustrating. Republicans think that everyone else is capable of doing the same dirty tricks and thinks so unabashedly about power as they do. So they never trust the sincerity or good intention of anyone else. Democrats aren't saints, but on many many issues they come from the right place.
Wrong. With Franken there were photographs and an admission of guilt. With Dr. Ford there is zero verifiable evidence. In fact, every witness she named could not recall being at the party. She can't even recall when it was, where it was, or even how she got there.mikecohen said:Unfortunately, the evidence against Franken turned out to be a lot weaker and more compromised than the testimony by Dr. FordCivil Bear said:concernedparent said:helltopay1 said:
If Kavanaugh were a Democrat, every single Democrat would vote for him. Surely you know that. But you don't care. And that's a shame.
Yeah just like every Democrat came out in support of Al Franken when he sexually harassed women decades ago and totally didn't pressure him into resigning or anything.
Except that the Franken accusers actually had corroborating evidence. Maybe Bubba v. Jones, Broaddrick and Willey is a better example?
Civil Bear said:Wrong. With Franken there were photographs and an admission of guilt. With Dr. Ford there is zero verifiable evidence. In fact, every witness she named could not recall being at the party. She can't even recall when it was, where it was, or even how she got there.mikecohen said:Unfortunately, the evidence against Franken turned out to be a lot weaker and more compromised than the testimony by Dr. FordCivil Bear said:concernedparent said:helltopay1 said:
If Kavanaugh were a Democrat, every single Democrat would vote for him. Surely you know that. But you don't care. And that's a shame.
Yeah just like every Democrat came out in support of Al Franken when he sexually harassed women decades ago and totally didn't pressure him into resigning or anything.
Except that the Franken accusers actually had corroborating evidence. Maybe Bubba v. Jones, Broaddrick and Willey is a better example?
So with Bubba and his accusers, er excuse me, survivors, which Dems petitioned for him to step down?
The fact that you think that what you wrote is appropriate and logical and a good way to make your point is frightening.helltopay1 said:
mr. cohen. Please. and, while you are at, please look up the word Integrity at home. Please see and read Jonathan Turley and Alan Dershowitz. They are life-long distinguished liberals who have more backbone and integrity in their little finger than 99.99 % of liberals in this great country. Mr. cohen---I just know you raped my Mother at a party 36 years ago. i can't tell you where the house was--I don't know who owned the house--I don't know how I got to the party--I don't remember how I got home----I never told anyone for 36 years. Now------PROVE YOU DIDN":T DO IT. how do you like it??????Recognize your country?????I just passed a lie detector test---so, get yourself a good lawyer baby!!!!!!
He's sick in the head.blungld said:The fact that you think that what you wrote is appropriate and logical and a good way to make your point is frightening.helltopay1 said:
mr. cohen. Please. and, while you are at, please look up the word Integrity at home. Please see and read Jonathan Turley and Alan Dershowitz. They are life-long distinguished liberals who have more backbone and integrity in their little finger than 99.99 % of liberals in this great country. Mr. cohen---I just know you raped my Mother at a party 36 years ago. i can't tell you where the house was--I don't know who owned the house--I don't know how I got to the party--I don't remember how I got home----I never told anyone for 36 years. Now------PROVE YOU DIDN":T DO IT. how do you like it??????Recognize your country?????I just passed a lie detector test---so, get yourself a good lawyer baby!!!!!!
That you believe your examples amount to Kavanaugh unequivocally committing purgery only bolsters the original point in the thread.calumnus said:Civil Bear said:mikecohen said:Civil Bear said:concernedparent said:helltopay1 said:
If Kavanaugh were a Democrat, every single Democrat would vote for him. Surely you know that. But you don't care. And that's a shame.
Then why did Kavanaugh lie under oath about underage drinking (claiming the drinking age was 18 when he was a senior), lying about the meaning of a "Devil's Triangle" he mentioned in his yearbook, claiming "ralphing" refered to his "weak stomach" "boofing" is "farting" and claiming "I don't remember" somehow exonerates him?
Lying under oath (committing perjury) is not something someone who is innocent and wants to be a Supreme Court justices should be doing.
What Franken did, he did. What Kavanaugh "did", he allegedly did. True. However, it is quite a stretch to conflate the two transgressions.Civil Bear said:Wrong. With Franken there were photographs and an admission of guilt. With Dr. Ford there is zero verifiable evidence. In fact, every witness she named could not recall being at the party. She can't even recall when it was, where it was, or even how she got there.mikecohen said:Unfortunately, the evidence against Franken turned out to be a lot weaker and more compromised than the testimony by Dr. FordCivil Bear said:concernedparent said:helltopay1 said:
If Kavanaugh were a Democrat, every single Democrat would vote for him. Surely you know that. But you don't care. And that's a shame.
Yeah just like every Democrat came out in support of Al Franken when he sexually harassed women decades ago and totally didn't pressure him into resigning or anything.
Except that the Franken accusers actually had corroborating evidence. Maybe Bubba v. Jones, Broaddrick and Willey is a better example?
So with Bubba and his accusers, er excuse me, survivors, which Dems petitioned for him to step down?
I find myself in complete agreement with you again. On two posts on separate topics in the same day. It warms my heart. Really.Civil Bear said:I hate to break it to you, but the exact same frustration is felt by righties, but with "republicans" and "democrats" reversed.blungld said:helltopay1 said:
Dear Yogi: When they taught Civics in the fourth grade, you obviously skipped the entire year. Please put down your comic books and read 1984. Then read the Constitution. Then--read it again. Then read the Federalist papers. You've heard of jury nullification????This is an attempt at voter nullification. If Kavanaugh were a Democrat, every single Democrat would vote for him. Surely you know that. But you don't care. And that's a shame.
This is so frustrating. Republicans think that everyone else is capable of doing the same dirty tricks and thinks so unabashedly about power as they do. So they never trust the sincerity or good intention of anyone else. Democrats aren't saints, but on many many issues they come from the right place.
Indeed.Big C said:What Franken did, he did. What Kavanaugh "did", he allegedly did. True. However, it is quite a stretch to conflate the two transgressions.Civil Bear said:Wrong. With Franken there were photographs and an admission of guilt. With Dr. Ford there is zero verifiable evidence. In fact, every witness she named could not recall being at the party. She can't even recall when it was, where it was, or even how she got there.mikecohen said:Unfortunately, the evidence against Franken turned out to be a lot weaker and more compromised than the testimony by Dr. FordCivil Bear said:concernedparent said:helltopay1 said:
If Kavanaugh were a Democrat, every single Democrat would vote for him. Surely you know that. But you don't care. And that's a shame.
Yeah just like every Democrat came out in support of Al Franken when he sexually harassed women decades ago and totally didn't pressure him into resigning or anything.
Except that the Franken accusers actually had corroborating evidence. Maybe Bubba v. Jones, Broaddrick and Willey is a better example?
So with Bubba and his accusers, er excuse me, survivors, which Dems petitioned for him to step down?
Based on the thread, I just assumed that Jabari's case was going to the Supreme Court!oskidunker said:
In reading this thread Ibwas hoping to get some new information on Jabari. The politics hijackingbthreads is getting tired.
Having started the thread, I'm amazed at the tangents it's managed to spin off into. Was hoping the discussion could be isolated to this particular incident relevant to a former Cal basketball player.BeachedBear said:Based on the thread, I just assumed that Jabari's case was going to the Supreme Court!oskidunker said:
In reading this thread Ibwas hoping to get some new information on Jabari. The politics hijackingbthreads is getting tired.