Assessing the coach (long)

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Jeff82
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Great win Thursday night, and great winning streak. The players appear to play hard for Jones. Nevertheless, the win still basically showed his strategic limitations.

The basic problem, IMHO, is that against a man-to-man, he just doesn't give the team enough offensive options. Essentially, the offense is the point guard and the wings, assisted by the weave and the occasional big man screen from the high post, trying to turn the corner against their defender and taking it to the rim, either to score or dish if the defense collapses. This approach can work, if you have Jason Kidd, Kevin Johnson, Keith Smith or Jerome Randle at the point. Austin is none of those. Based on what I saw last night, the only player who can fairly regularly break his man down off the dribble and score through contact is Matt Bradley. This approach is also not helped by our often-lacking free throw shooting. I really can't understand how McNeill can be allowed to keep using a stroke where the ball looks like it's coming out of his hand sideways.

Last night, we played great against Stanford's zone, finding the open man, usually Vanover, who had a great shooting performance. So Stanford went to man, and we struggled throughout the second half, scoring only 27 points, and nearly giving the game away.

Jones' approach is basically similar to Martin's, in that he's basically relying on the athleticism of his players to score. It's the antithesis of Montgomery, whose approach was to run a patterned offense to get his players the shots they were most comfortable with, as often as possible. That's why his teams rarely, as I remember it, had trouble closing out games. In crunch time, he put players in comfortable spots on offense, and tried to use the system to take the pressure off them. Jones/Martin doesn't do that. So the question is, can Jones recruit players talented enough to succeed under his offensive approach? I have my doubts.

As for the defense, the zone has been getting better as the season goes along. Would I prefer them to play more man? Yes, but the conventional wisdom here was that he was trying to protect Vanover, who wasn't going to develop sitting most of the games out on the bench in foul trouble. Given the way he's playing now, I can see the wisdom of doing that. This season was always going to be another transitional one, and winning three or four or five more games probably wouldn't have made a big difference. I'd rather see the youngsters develop.

So, do I think Jones should be retained? Probably not, because I don't think he can recruit well enough to overcome his tactical deficiency on offense. Is there a risk of transfers? Yes, although of the players who played last night, the only ones I would really be concerned about losing are Anticevich, Vanover, Bradley, Kelly and Austin, and Austin only because you really can't play without a point guard. The others have the biggest upside, based on what I saw, and it's not clear to me that McNeill, Sueing and Harris-Dyson are adding enough elements to their games to improve they way they need to going forward.

Again, my .02. Feel free to comment and disagree.
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Part of the second half offensive deficiency was the "slow play" strategy; which was a coaching error. The offense is getting better, but should be further along than it is. Hard to say if Austen contributes that much: he makes some and misses a lot, can't shoot outside to keep opposing defense honest and fails to find the open man too often. He is getting better than he was in the first part of the season, but he is more of a point dribbler, than point guard. Surprisingly, Bradley seems to have better point guard instincts than Austen.
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Jeff82 said:

Great win Thursday night, and great winning streak. The players appear to play hard for Jones. Nevertheless, the win still basically showed his strategic limitations.

The basic problem, IMHO, is that against a man-to-man, he just doesn't give the team enough offensive options. Essentially, the offense is the point guard and the wings, assisted by the weave and the occasional big man screen from the high post, trying to turn the corner against their defender and taking it to the rim, either to score or dish if the defense collapses. This approach can work, if you have Jason Kidd, Kevin Johnson, Keith Smith or Jerome Randle at the point. Austin is none of those. Based on what I saw last night, the only player who can fairly regularly break his man down off the dribble and score through contact is Matt Bradley. This approach is also not helped by our often-lacking free throw shooting. I really can't understand how McNeill can be allowed to keep using a stroke where the ball looks like it's coming out of his hand sideways.

Last night, we played great against Stanford's zone, finding the open man, usually Vanover, who had a great shooting performance. So Stanford went to man, and we struggled throughout the second half, scoring only 27 points, and nearly giving the game away.

Jones' approach is basically similar to Martin's, in that he's basically relying on the athleticism of his players to score. It's the antithesis of Montgomery, whose approach was to run a patterned offense to get his players the shots they were most comfortable with, as often as possible. That's why his teams rarely, as I remember it, had trouble closing out games. In crunch time, he put players in comfortable spots on offense, and tried to use the system to take the pressure off them. Jones/Martin doesn't do that. So the question is, can Jones recruit players talented enough to succeed under his offensive approach? I have my doubts.

As for the defense, the zone has been getting better as the season goes along. Would I prefer them to play more man? Yes, but the conventional wisdom here was that he was trying to protect Vanover, who wasn't going to develop sitting most of the games out on the bench in foul trouble. Given the way he's playing now, I can see the wisdom of doing that. This season was always going to be another transitional one, and winning three or four or five more games probably wouldn't have made a big difference. I'd rather see the youngsters develop.

So, do I think Jones should be retained? Probably not, because I don't think he can recruit well enough to overcome his tactical deficiency on offense. Is there a risk of transfers? Yes, although of the players who played last night, the only ones I would really be concerned about losing are Anticevich, Vanover, Bradley, Kelly and Austin, and Austin only because you really can't play without a point guard. The others have the biggest upside, based on what I saw, and it's not clear to me that McNeill, Sueing and Harris-Dyson are adding enough elements to their games to improve they way they need to going forward.

Again, my .02. Feel free to comment and disagree.

There is a risk of losing players if a coaching change isn't made-I can't believe all the players are going to say, "hey, we stay with Jones, yay, we will get to 14 wins." For Vanover, what's the risk in transferring? He has to sit out a year, and he gains weight?
If a new coach can't bring in someone equal to Anticevich as well as some of the others, then it was a bad hire.
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Good analysis J82. Lets face it, judging a coach by his won/loss record can be a very objective thing to do. Judging a coach's performance in say one game,(even a victory) by the eye test is much more subjective.

Like you, I was wincing the last 10 minutes when Cal's offense became basically ugly. It was no doubt dictated by the score and time remaining, and also the fact that this is a team that has not found wins easily.

I think a little of the final 10 minutes should be taken with a grain of salt. If the Bears hadn't slowed the game down but proceeded full speed, and ended up to be unsuccessful, this board would have been saturated with WJ detractors claiming how inept he is. Just my 1 cent worth.
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RedlessWardrobe said:



I think a little of the final 10 minutes should be taken with a grain of salt. If the Bears hadn't slowed the game down but proceeded full speed, and ended up to be unsuccessful, this board would have been saturated with WJ detractors claiming how inept he is. Just my 1 cent worth.
Cal was playing with a very short bench, which makes slowing the game down a logical step.
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I believe, that your statement can almost be taken as a compliment to WJ.
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I hate the strategy playing not to lose in football and basketball

I thought the slo mo strategy was started way too early, but GoCal makes a point that we had no one on the bench to play, so that was a contributing factor to this strategy. I'll have to reconsider.

this game would have been in the bag much sooner if we could just hit a FT. Sueing missing the front end of a one and one, and McNeil missing all his FTs (and his shots) is just not something within anyone's control.

As for the weave, I saw them use it one time last night, and about once per game in the second half of the season. That is not our offense. That is one set or action in our offense.

I'm not making a statement on any overall conclusion someone is trying to make. Just talking about a few things about this one game.

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Good thoughts Jeff.

There's no way Wyking is saving his job unless we make a miracle Sweet 16 run which is not happening. Funny but that basically saved Cuonzo's job at Tennessee, then he leveraged that to come to us.

To be brutally honest, I think it's a good thing not to have Davis in the rotation. He seems to not have a clue what to do from game to game. So disappointing because he seems to have the physical tools. Also, JHD provides great value on D, but he seems to be lost on O. So while we may be gassed -- and that does not bode well in a tournament setting -- the rest of the guys may find more rhythm.

Besides Wyking's coaching, I do not know why our guys seem to be developing their basketball IQ on defense so slowly. One play particularly drove me nuts last night. There were two Furd players out on the wing, one baseline that Kelly was guarding and one guy behind the line that one of our guards was guarding. The ball came out to the Furd player behind the arc. There was no need for Kelly to double the guy behind the arc (unless he felt compelled to go out there because Wyking was barking "no threes!"). Our guard was already there though - there is never a need to double on a three ball shooter. But for some inexplicable reason Kelly went further out to help the guard. So his man baseline cut towards the basket and the guy with the ball found an unguarded man for the easy dunk.
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You could see us tensing up, late in the second half. The ball movement, which was great earlier, was forgotten. The ball started sticking to Austin. "One" of our guys just doesn't seem like a clutch player. The key play was when Sueing remembered that passing was what got us there and fed Vanover for the dunk.

Fact of the matter is, we're playing much better lately. Good enough to win games. We're growing up.

Fact of the matter too, though, we're 3-15.

It's all real. Might be a hard decision. I thought I had decided, but now I'm not sure.
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Big C said:

You could see us tensing up, late in the second half. The ball movement, which was great earlier, was forgotten. The ball started sticking to Austin. "One" of our guys just doesn't seem like a clutch player. The key play was when Sueing remembered that passing was what got us there and fed Vanover for the dunk.

Fact of the matter is, we're playing much better lately. Good enough to win games. We're growing up.

Fact of the matter too, though, we're 3-15.

It's all real. Might be a hard decision. I thought I had decided, but now I'm not sure.
1. We are getting better
2. We have had a historically bad last two seasons
3. Another coach will get us to a better place
4. That does not mean I don't want Wyking to take our team on a nice run
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RedlessWardrobe said:

I believe, that your statement can almost be taken as a compliment to WJ.
It was indeed a compliment to WJ. Are you confusing me with the other poster with an "80" in his handle? I've been much more positive and patient than that other poster as I watch the team progress this season. I think a decision on whether to keep the coach should be based on the full body of work this season through the Pac12 tournament, and that the trajectory of the program should be a major factor in the decision. I'm not sure why so many who post here are so impatient and so eager to pass judgement in the midst of a difficult rebuilding process. If this team could pick up at the start of next season where they are now, and continue to improve throughout next season, I'd be for keeping the coaching staff and team intact. There will also be a longer bench next year with the addition of one more recruiting class, and the team will be able to run competitive 5 on 5 practices because they'll have enough scholarship players.
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KoreAmBear said:

Big C said:

You could see us tensing up, late in the second half. The ball movement, which was great earlier, was forgotten. The ball started sticking to Austin. "One" of our guys just doesn't seem like a clutch player. The key play was when Sueing remembered that passing was what got us there and fed Vanover for the dunk.

Fact of the matter is, we're playing much better lately. Good enough to win games. We're growing up.

Fact of the matter too, though, we're 3-15.

It's all real. Might be a hard decision. I thought I had decided, but now I'm not sure.
1. We are getting better
2. We have had a historically bad last two seasons
3. Another coach will get us to a better place
4. That does not mean I don't want Wyking to take our team on a nice run
Serious hypothetical--not just for you, KAB, but for everyone here: If you knew that if we were to win 2 games in the P12 tournament, Knowlton would decide to retain Jones, and if we lose in the 1st round, he'd be fired, would you actively root against Cal (yes, I know, that how we root makes on difference in the outcome)? I do not mean this as a "troll" statement. Fans of professional teams often root for their team to lose ("tanking") for a better draft pick. Would many BI poster root against Cal for a better coach?
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GoCal80 said:

RedlessWardrobe said:

I believe, that your statement can almost be taken as a compliment to WJ.
It was indeed a compliment to WJ. Are you confusing me with the other poster with an "80" in his handle?
GoCal80. No way was I confusing you with the other poster, believe me! I just wasn't sure because its hard to believe that almost anyone gives a compliment to WJ.

And I guess I am in the wishy washy camp. My gut tells me to give WJ another year, but I can certainly respect the opinion of anyone who doesn't feel the same. (Also based on some of the stuff I read on these boards, I hope nobody considers myself OR anyone who wants WJ to be fired, an "idiot.")
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UrsaMajor said:

KoreAmBear said:

Big C said:

You could see us tensing up, late in the second half. The ball movement, which was great earlier, was forgotten. The ball started sticking to Austin. "One" of our guys just doesn't seem like a clutch player. The key play was when Sueing remembered that passing was what got us there and fed Vanover for the dunk.

Fact of the matter is, we're playing much better lately. Good enough to win games. We're growing up.

Fact of the matter too, though, we're 3-15.

It's all real. Might be a hard decision. I thought I had decided, but now I'm not sure.
1. We are getting better
2. We have had a historically bad last two seasons
3. Another coach will get us to a better place
4. That does not mean I don't want Wyking to take our team on a nice run
Serious hypothetical--not just for you, KAB, but for everyone here: If you knew that if we were to win 2 games in the P12 tournament, Knowlton would decide to retain Jones, and if we lose in the 1st round, he'd be fired, would you actively root against Cal (yes, I know, that how we root makes on difference in the outcome)? I do not mean this as a "troll" statement. Fans of professional teams often root for their team to lose ("tanking") for a better draft pick. Would many BI poster root against Cal for a better coach?
I never root for Cal to lose in anything period. Now if they happen to do it, and it ultimately benefits us in the long term, so be it. In this case, I would root for us to win no matter what knowing it's highly unlikely (but we're Cal I never thought Baldwin would not be held accountable for his gaffes last year too -- he just gets an extra job duty out of that? It's because he didn't have enough responsibilities why we lost 3-4 games because of him -- but I digress) that Wyking is retained. For me, we have to at least make the Big Dance to even THINK about retaining him. And to me, a nearly impossible Sweet 16 run would be a safe harbor to justify his retention -- b/c we haven't done that for 22 years. But to answer your question, yes, I root for our kids to win no matter what.
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KoreAmBear said:


Besides Wyking's coaching, I do not know why our guys seem to be developing their basketball IQ on defense so slowly. One play particularly drove me nuts last night. There were two Furd players out on the wing, one baseline that Kelly was guarding and one guy behind the line that one of our guards was guarding. The ball came out to the Furd player behind the arc. There was no need for Kelly to double the guy behind the arc (unless he felt compelled to go out there because Wyking was barking "no threes!"). Our guard was already there though - there is never a need to double on a three ball shooter. But for some inexplicable reason Kelly went further out to help the guard. So his man baseline cut towards the basket and the guy with the ball found an unguarded man for the easy dunk.
Could it have anything to do with the fact that Kelly is a true freshman?
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HoopDreams said:

I hate the strategy playing not to lose in football and basketball

I thought the slo mo strategy was started way too early, but GoCal makes a point that we had no one on the bench to play, so that was a contributing factor to this strategy. I'll have to reconsider.

this game would have been in the bag much sooner if we could just hit a FT. Sueing missing the front end of a one and one, and McNeil missing all his FTs (and his shots) is just not something within anyone's control.

As for the weave, I saw them use it one time last night, and about once per game in the second half of the season. That is not our offense. That is one set or action in our offense.

I'm not making a statement on any overall conclusion someone is trying to make. Just talking about a few things about this one game.


You've nailed something here, HD. Cal has been a pretty good FT shooting team most of the season. When they have been in close games, they have had difficulty learning how to finish those games. They have finished the last three, and it hasn't looked particularly pretty. A successful golfer once told me about tournaments, that "you have to get there first to have a chance to win. Once you've been there a few times, you will eventually win one, because other players are in the same position and don't have enough experience to win." Or something like that.

Wasn't it great to see that Stanford was fouling us down the stretch to try and save clock and get more possessions? Usually that is Cal (if we are still in the game) fouling the opponent, trying to get enough possessions to catch up. Down the stretch, Cal was making mistakes, but not enough to let Stanford back in. As they mature, they will not get rattled and make those FTs, especially down the stretch. Cal shoots FTs at only 75% in that game (meaning they make just 5 more down the stretch) and Cal wins by 10 not by 5. They are so young, and that confidence will come, I suspect. Right now, I like the looks of Bradley shooting FTs to win a game at the end. He was calm and collected. Nothing but net. McNeill was a bundle of nerves. Sueing failed to concentrate at all, it seemed.
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Big C said:

You could see us tensing up, late in the second half. The ball movement, which was great earlier, was forgotten. The ball started sticking to Austin. "One" of our guys just doesn't seem like a clutch player. The key play was when Sueing remembered that passing was what got us there and fed Vanover for the dunk.

Bradley is super clutch

Sueing is clutch

Vanover might be clutch
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KoreAmBear said:

UrsaMajor said:

KoreAmBear said:

Big C said:

You could see us tensing up, late in the second half. The ball movement, which was great earlier, was forgotten. The ball started sticking to Austin. "One" of our guys just doesn't seem like a clutch player. The key play was when Sueing remembered that passing was what got us there and fed Vanover for the dunk.

Fact of the matter is, we're playing much better lately. Good enough to win games. We're growing up.

Fact of the matter too, though, we're 3-15.

It's all real. Might be a hard decision. I thought I had decided, but now I'm not sure.
1. We are getting better
2. We have had a historically bad last two seasons
3. Another coach will get us to a better place
4. That does not mean I don't want Wyking to take our team on a nice run
Serious hypothetical--not just for you, KAB, but for everyone here: If you knew that if we were to win 2 games in the P12 tournament, Knowlton would decide to retain Jones, and if we lose in the 1st round, he'd be fired, would you actively root against Cal (yes, I know, that how we root makes on difference in the outcome)? I do not mean this as a "troll" statement. Fans of professional teams often root for their team to lose ("tanking") for a better draft pick. Would many BI poster root against Cal for a better coach?
I never root for Cal to lose in anything period. Now if they happen to do it, and it ultimately benefits us in the long term, so be it. In this case, I would root for us to win no matter what knowing it's highly unlikely (but we're Cal I never thought Baldwin would not be held accountable for his gaffes last year too -- he just gets an extra job duty out of that? It's because he didn't have enough responsibilities why we lost 3-4 games because of him -- but I digress) that Wyking is retained. For me, we have to at least make the Big Dance to even THINK about retaining him. And to me, a nearly impossible Sweet 16 run would be a safe harbor to justify his retention -- b/c we haven't done that for 22 years. But to answer your question, yes, I root for our kids to win no matter what.
I'm with KAB on both counts. I hope we win the next 11 games and a NC, regardless of the coach and the fallout. I'm also still need something solid (like a sweet 16 run) to CONVINCE me that this staff and team have turned the corner - and not just getting past some relatively weak competition, who we caught napping.

As for URSA's hypothetical (which is a good one), IF two wins encouraged Knowlton to retain Jones, then NEXT SEASON, with Jones is the barometer for Knowlton. I would expect him to pull the trigger quickly (even mid season) if his gambit is not working well. If not, then he is not looking like a very good AD.
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I PRAY that Knowlton has reached out to some of the mid-majors (aka Travis and Turner) and begun to feel out their agents on their interest. I truly believe that the upside with a new coach like those is FAR greater than with Jones. My fear (aka Cal) is that we have not, that we pull the trigger, and we can not find a replacement and we lose several members of this team.

they can play. I am finally seeing pieces you could build around. But I don't have faith in "No Threes" to be the guy that builds it (seriously, that was somewhat embarrassing as a Cal fan and I am sure wasn't that well appreciated by the charges - what is this, 8 year old YMCA???)
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HoopDreams said:

Big C said:

You could see us tensing up, late in the second half. The ball movement, which was great earlier, was forgotten. The ball started sticking to Austin. "One" of our guys just doesn't seem like a clutch player. The key play was when Sueing remembered that passing was what got us there and fed Vanover for the dunk.

Bradley is super clutch

Sueing is clutch

Vanover might be clutch
For sure. Sueing showed he still had his head about him on that pass to Vanover. Austin is somewhat of a clutch player, too, but I don't think he's going to pass in that situation. Anticevich calmly drained his two free throws.

When I said "one" player doesn't seem like a clutch player, there was a reason I put quotes around "one". But heck, he's welcome to prove me wrong, I'd love that.
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Big C said:

HoopDreams said:

Big C said:

You could see us tensing up, late in the second half. The ball movement, which was great earlier, was forgotten. The ball started sticking to Austin. "One" of our guys just doesn't seem like a clutch player. The key play was when Sueing remembered that passing was what got us there and fed Vanover for the dunk.

Bradley is super clutch

Sueing is clutch

Vanover might be clutch
For sure. Sueing showed he still had his head about him on that pass to Vanover. Austin is somewhat of a clutch player, too, but I don't think he's going to pass in that situation. Anticevich calmly drained his two free throws.

When I said "one" player doesn't seem like a clutch player, there was a reason I put quotes around "one". But heck, he's welcome to prove me wrong, I'd love that.
forgot about Grant's two FTs. that was critical
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"...not clear to me that McNeill, Sueing and Harris-Dyson are adding enough elements to their games to improve they way they need to going forward."

I disagree with this as it relates to McNeill and Sueing. They will be very good players for the Bears these next two years. Every time McNeill has a bad game he gets lots of chatter here but when he has an A+ game it's pretty quiet.
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bearister said:

"...not clear to me that McNeill, Sueing and Harris-Dyson are adding enough elements to their games to improve they way they need to going forward."

I disagree with this as it relates to McNeill and Sueing. They will be very good players for the Bears these next two years. Every time McNeill has a bad game he gets lots of chatter here but when he has an A+ game it's pretty quiet.
McNeil really developed his drive game. Last night he got to the rack but got blocked. One of those was a foul I thought.

Sueing is like a swiss army knife, but if he ever gets his 3 pointer right he can be a breakout star

without it, he still is our best player and team leader

Dyson is a work in progress, but has potential to improve a lot as he has the raw materials
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GoCal80 said:

RedlessWardrobe said:

I believe, that your statement can almost be taken as a compliment to WJ.
It was indeed a compliment to WJ. Are you confusing me with the other poster with an "80" in his handle? I've been much more positive and patient than that other poster as I watch the team progress this season. I think a decision on whether to keep the coach should be based on the full body of work this season through the Pac12 tournament, and that the trajectory of the program should be a major factor in the decision. I'm not sure why so many who post here are so impatient and so eager to pass judgement in the midst of a difficult rebuilding process. If this team could pick up at the start of next season where they are now, and continue to improve throughout next season, I'd be for keeping the coaching staff and team intact. There will also be a longer bench next year with the addition of one more recruiting class, and the team will be able to run competitive 5 on 5 practices because they'll have enough scholarship players.
Thoughtful post - the anti Wyking camp fails to acknowledge the tremendous hole that the staff inherited. Its 9 times out of 10, a three year process to build an experienced, deep roster and skilled team. Having 8 scholarship players available (just 7 who play) versus teams with full rosters and upperclassmen who start, is an huge mismatch that is rarely overcome.

This team is not able to run competitive 5 on 5 practices. and with such a young team, the staff has purposely kept offensive and defensive schemes basic. An earlier poster who complained that lack of proper defensive coaching lead to an uncontested back door, was simply wrong. As coach explained privately after the game, the player had been told what to do and where to rotate. Being a freshman he simply "brain locked" These young men are just that - young and experience and repetition will eliminate normal "freshman mistakes"

The staff has squeezed out nearly as much as is possible with no depth, youth, no consistent rim protector and an overall undersized rotation. Regardless of one's position of retaining our staff or not, to keep this team competing and staying together this past month, is an admirable accomplishment by the staff.
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You guys want to excuse the performance by pointing to Youth + inexperience.

You know what a lot of guys do in that situation (aka Braun). They go find transfer students to fill. They DON';T offer scholarships to 2 kids clearly out of depth and then run them off the team (because, bodies in your argument are needed for practice).

And more worrisome it doesn't get THAT much better next year. A bit. But we still have a bottom half of the conference point guard, still don't have a power forward, still don't have a post presence, still don't have size at the 3, etc. etc. etc. etc.

You pumpers will continue to come up with excuses. I love that we won 3 in a row. I was happy last night. I will root like heck next Wednesday for them to win and then win and keep winning. But it is just ridiculous to think that this team, at this point in the season, is well coached. You know what well coached teams don't need? Their learning on the job coach yelling "No Threes" at them like they are playing YMCA basketball.
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socaltownie said:

You know what well coached teams don't need? Their learning on the job coach yelling "No Threes" at them like they are playing YMCA basketball.
you never heard other coaches yelling 'no threes' or 'no fouls'?
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HoopDreams said:

socaltownie said:

You know what well coached teams don't need? Their learning on the job coach yelling "No Threes" at them like they are playing YMCA basketball.
you never heard other coaches yelling 'no threes' or 'no fouls'?
He did it at LEAST on 4 straight possessions.
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socaltownie said:

HoopDreams said:

socaltownie said:

You know what well coached teams don't need? Their learning on the job coach yelling "No Threes" at them like they are playing YMCA basketball.
you never heard other coaches yelling 'no threes' or 'no fouls'?
He did it at LEAST on 4 straight possessions.
And it was bush. It was on every time the ball went in to out.
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socaltownie said:

socaltownie said:

HoopDreams said:

socaltownie said:

You know what well coached teams don't need? Their learning on the job coach yelling "No Threes" at them like they are playing YMCA basketball.
you never heard other coaches yelling 'no threes' or 'no fouls'?
He did it at LEAST on 4 straight possessions.
And it was bush. It was on every time the ball went in to out.
if that's what you use as support for your opinion of poor coaching ... then what ever man
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socaltownie said:

socaltownie said:

HoopDreams said:

socaltownie said:

You know what well coached teams don't need? Their learning on the job coach yelling "No Threes" at them like they are playing YMCA basketball.
you never heard other coaches yelling 'no threes' or 'no fouls'?
He did it at LEAST on 4 straight possessions.
And it was bush. It was on every time the ball went in to out.


I found it hilarious. Not cause of wyking, but because maples was such a mausoleum that you could hear everything quite clearly
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WJ's bellowing baritone was our 6th man!!
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KoreAmBear said:

Big C said:

You could see us tensing up, late in the second half. The ball movement, which was great earlier, was forgotten. The ball started sticking to Austin. "One" of our guys just doesn't seem like a clutch player. The key play was when Sueing remembered that passing was what got us there and fed Vanover for the dunk.

Fact of the matter is, we're playing much better lately. Good enough to win games. We're growing up.

Fact of the matter too, though, we're 3-15.

It's all real. Might be a hard decision. I thought I had decided, but now I'm not sure.
1. We are getting better
2. We have had a historically bad last two seasons
3. Another coach will get us to a better place
4. That does not mean I don't want Wyking to take our team on a nice run

1 we couldn't get any worse
2 duh
3 It's been suggested
4 safest statement ever. If you thought otherwise your bear badge would be revoked
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UrsaMajor said:

KoreAmBear said:

Big C said:

You could see us tensing up, late in the second half. The ball movement, which was great earlier, was forgotten. The ball started sticking to Austin. "One" of our guys just doesn't seem like a clutch player. The key play was when Sueing remembered that passing was what got us there and fed Vanover for the dunk.

Fact of the matter is, we're playing much better lately. Good enough to win games. We're growing up.

Fact of the matter too, though, we're 3-15.

It's all real. Might be a hard decision. I thought I had decided, but now I'm not sure.
1. We are getting better
2. We have had a historically bad last two seasons
3. Another coach will get us to a better place
4. That does not mean I don't want Wyking to take our team on a nice run
Serious hypothetical--not just for you, KAB, but for everyone here: If you knew that if we were to win 2 games in the P12 tournament, Knowlton would decide to retain Jones, and if we lose in the 1st round, he'd be fired, would you actively root against Cal (yes, I know, that how we root makes on difference in the outcome)? I do not mean this as a "troll" statement. Fans of professional teams often root for their team to lose ("tanking") for a better draft pick. Would many BI poster root against Cal for a better coach?


If he wins two more, keep him and build off of this. I had given up about a month ago but now am happy to be back on board.
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oski003 said:

UrsaMajor said:

KoreAmBear said:

Big C said:

You could see us tensing up, late in the second half. The ball movement, which was great earlier, was forgotten. The ball started sticking to Austin. "One" of our guys just doesn't seem like a clutch player. The key play was when Sueing remembered that passing was what got us there and fed Vanover for the dunk.

Fact of the matter is, we're playing much better lately. Good enough to win games. We're growing up.

Fact of the matter too, though, we're 3-15.

It's all real. Might be a hard decision. I thought I had decided, but now I'm not sure.
1. We are getting better
2. We have had a historically bad last two seasons
3. Another coach will get us to a better place
4. That does not mean I don't want Wyking to take our team on a nice run
Serious hypothetical--not just for you, KAB, but for everyone here: If you knew that if we were to win 2 games in the P12 tournament, Knowlton would decide to retain Jones, and if we lose in the 1st round, he'd be fired, would you actively root against Cal (yes, I know, that how we root makes on difference in the outcome)? I do not mean this as a "troll" statement. Fans of professional teams often root for their team to lose ("tanking") for a better draft pick. Would many BI poster root against Cal for a better coach?


If he wins two more, keep him and build off of this. I had given up about a month ago but now am happy to be back on board.
I never root against Cal. Never
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cal83dls79 said:

oski003 said:

UrsaMajor said:

KoreAmBear said:

Big C said:

You could see us tensing up, late in the second half. The ball movement, which was great earlier, was forgotten. The ball started sticking to Austin. "One" of our guys just doesn't seem like a clutch player. The key play was when Sueing remembered that passing was what got us there and fed Vanover for the dunk.

Fact of the matter is, we're playing much better lately. Good enough to win games. We're growing up.

Fact of the matter too, though, we're 3-15.

It's all real. Might be a hard decision. I thought I had decided, but now I'm not sure.
1. We are getting better
2. We have had a historically bad last two seasons
3. Another coach will get us to a better place
4. That does not mean I don't want Wyking to take our team on a nice run
Serious hypothetical--not just for you, KAB, but for everyone here: If you knew that if we were to win 2 games in the P12 tournament, Knowlton would decide to retain Jones, and if we lose in the 1st round, he'd be fired, would you actively root against Cal (yes, I know, that how we root makes on difference in the outcome)? I do not mean this as a "troll" statement. Fans of professional teams often root for their team to lose ("tanking") for a better draft pick. Would many BI poster root against Cal for a better coach?


If he wins two more, keep him and build off of this. I had given up about a month ago but now am happy to be back on board.
I never root against Cal. Never
Me too. First, cal has surprised me multiple times when I had little hope, and secondly, I would never be able to look at oski in the eye hole again
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