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Kelly with the off rebound and put back!

you need bradley or south to shoot the ball in crunch time

Bradlelyball?

More matt iso'ed off the high screen with three guys away from the rock

CAL 8 Assists 6 TOs

FSU 5 Assists 11 TOs

Down goes Fresneck!!!!!

Yup. A bit of progress. I thought especially with Kelly who played decently well - especially in respect on the offensive side. Gotta work on getting EVERYONE to rebound - giving up something like 13 O boards....no bueno. A LOT less Lars tonight.

A W is a W. Much better play than we'd seen of late. Hopefully a positive sign.

Go Bears!

We shot better than FSU, from the field and from the line.

Really happy to see Fox tighten up the rotation. He's got the right 5 guys starting now and the bench minutes seem about right for those guys.

TheSouseFamily said:

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Really happy to see Fox tighten up the rotation. He's got the right 5 guys starting now and the bench minutes seem about right for those guys.

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Think he had to. Maybe a game early but he was in danger of really having kids down. Sadly we are likely to get blown out by St. Mary's who is just a lot more skilled and older than we are but perhaps we catch lightening.

Monty kept saying it over and over. You need to put your best scorers in an area in which they can score

Monty was a master designing an offense whose sole purpose was getting crabbe open. Either by running crabbe thru multiple screens or setting crabbe up in a position on the floor in which he could score.

Fox's offense seems very braun-esque to me. It's an offense that basically leads to no where. I honestly don't have an idea what the offense is trying to accomplish.

I know fox doesn't want the team to play 1 on 1. But if you just aimlessly pass the ball around, and the shot clock starts winding down, you are forcing your players into hero ball anyways (and with a short clock).

Bradley isn't crabbe quite yet. But he needs to be the focus of the offense. And once teams start overplaying Bradley, then you can start running counters and getting others open.

ducky23 said:

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Monty kept saying it over and over. You need to put your best scorers in an area in which they can score

Monty was a master designing an offense whose sole purpose was getting crabbe open. Either by running crabbe thru multiple screens or setting crabbe up in a position on the floor in which he could score.

Fox's offense seems very braun-esque to me. It's an offense that basically leads to no where. I honestly don't have an idea what the offense is trying to accomplish.

I know fox doesn't want the team to play 1 on 1. But if you just aimlessly pass the ball around, and the shot clock starts winding down, you are forcing your players into hero ball anyways (and with a short clock).

Bradley isn't crabbe quite yet. But he needs to be the focus of the offense. And once teams start overplaying Bradley, then you can start running counters and getting others open.

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That isn't fair. They are running high pick and roll action. It is an issue that Lars isn't very good in setting screens and Kelly isn't great (but getting better) in establishing post position at the block. But watch the tape - a lot of the action is designed to try to get the rock to Bradley or South at the elbow in the second half and let either attack the rim or, if their defender sags, shoot.

I am not down on Fox's offense. He doesn't have the tools to do it that well (we could REALLY use a pG who could shot so that he can go weakside on that high pick action and have the ball reverse to him.

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ducky23 said:

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Monty kept saying it over and over. You need to put your best scorers in an area in which they can score

Monty was a master designing an offense whose sole purpose was getting crabbe open. Either by running crabbe thru multiple screens or setting crabbe up in a position on the floor in which he could score.

Fox's offense seems very braun-esque to me. It's an offense that basically leads to no where. I honestly don't have an idea what the offense is trying to accomplish.

I know fox doesn't want the team to play 1 on 1. But if you just aimlessly pass the ball around, and the shot clock starts winding down, you are forcing your players into hero ball anyways (and with a short clock).

Bradley isn't crabbe quite yet. But he needs to be the focus of the offense. And once teams start overplaying Bradley, then you can start running counters and getting others open.

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That isn't fair. They are running high pick and roll action. It is an issue that Lars isn't very good in setting screens and Kelly isn't great (but getting better) in establishing post position at the block. But watch the tape - a lot of the action is designed to try to get the rock to Bradley or South at the elbow in the second half and let either attack the rim or, if their defender sags, shoot.

I am not down on Fox's offense. He doesn't have the tools to do it that well (we could REALLY use a pG who could shot so that he can go weakside on that high pick action and have the ball reverse to him.

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Oh and I would add - they clearly want to slow the game down - reduce possesions in part because we are so thin at the front court you gotta help the guys not get fouls.

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ducky23 said:

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Monty kept saying it over and over. You need to put your best scorers in an area in which they can score

Monty was a master designing an offense whose sole purpose was getting crabbe open. Either by running crabbe thru multiple screens or setting crabbe up in a position on the floor in which he could score.

Fox's offense seems very braun-esque to me. It's an offense that basically leads to no where. I honestly don't have an idea what the offense is trying to accomplish.

I know fox doesn't want the team to play 1 on 1. But if you just aimlessly pass the ball around, and the shot clock starts winding down, you are forcing your players into hero ball anyways (and with a short clock).

Bradley isn't crabbe quite yet. But he needs to be the focus of the offense. And once teams start overplaying Bradley, then you can start running counters and getting others open.

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That isn't fair. They are running high pick and roll action. It is an issue that Lars isn't very good in setting screens and Kelly isn't great (but getting better) in establishing post position at the block. But watch the tape - a lot of the action is designed to try to get the rock to Bradley or South at the elbow in the second half and let either attack the rim or, if their defender sags, shoot.

I am not down on Fox's offense. He doesn't have the tools to do it that well (we could REALLY use a pG who could shot so that he can go weakside on that high pick action and have the ball reverse to him.

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I agree. We really don't have any "best scorers", outside of Bradley and a little bit of South.

Back from Haas... Good win for the morale of the team. What struck me most is how limited our personnel are. I think we might've been led to believe that Lars and Kuany would be contributors... and maybe Joel Brown, too. The guys seemed to play hard this evening, with an attempt also to play together, but we are very, very limited in every aspect of the game.

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Only unofficial ???

Good start

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Indicative of my tail between my legs.
I realize Paris made a clutch 3 a few games back which, if memory serves, was because the shot clock was expiring. With that said, his role should be as floor general and driving to the hoop making layups or drawing contact. Senior year is too late to perfect the 3. I want to see Grant shooting at least 5 dribble in step back shots inside the arc per game. That is his bread and butter shot.

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Well that never happened. Anticevich never seemed part of the offense this evening.

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calgldnbear said:

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Only unofficial ???

Good start

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Indicative of my tail between my legs.
I realize Paris made a clutch 3 a few games back which, if memory serves, was because the shot clock was expiring. With that said, his role should be as floor general and driving to the hoop making layups or drawing contact. Senior year is too late to perfect the 3. I want to see Grant shooting at least 5 dribble in step back shots inside the arc per game. That is his bread and butter shot.

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He may have some bread, but I'm not so sure about the butter.

Kilpatrick's!

socaltownie said:

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ducky23 said:

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Monty kept saying it over and over. You need to put your best scorers in an area in which they can score

Monty was a master designing an offense whose sole purpose was getting crabbe open. Either by running crabbe thru multiple screens or setting crabbe up in a position on the floor in which he could score.

Fox's offense seems very braun-esque to me. It's an offense that basically leads to no where. I honestly don't have an idea what the offense is trying to accomplish.

I know fox doesn't want the team to play 1 on 1. But if you just aimlessly pass the ball around, and the shot clock starts winding down, you are forcing your players into hero ball anyways (and with a short clock).

Bradley isn't crabbe quite yet. But he needs to be the focus of the offense. And once teams start overplaying Bradley, then you can start running counters and getting others open.

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That isn't fair. They are running high pick and roll action. It is an issue that Lars isn't very good in setting screens and Kelly isn't great (but getting better) in establishing post position at the block. But watch the tape - a lot of the action is designed to try to get the rock to Bradley or South at the elbow in the second half and let either attack the rim or, if their defender sags, shoot.

I am not down on Fox's offense. He doesn't have the tools to do it that well (we could REALLY use a pG who could shot so that he can go weakside on that high pick action and have the ball reverse to him.

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Eh, the stuff they're running is super basic. Maybe fox gets them to do more advanced stuff by next year...we shall see

But that's probably one of the very worst defenses we see all year. If you can't properly execute against them...

ducky23 said:

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Monty kept saying it over and over. You need to put your best scorers in an area in which they can score

Monty was a master designing an offense whose sole purpose was getting crabbe open. Either by running crabbe thru multiple screens or setting crabbe up in a position on the floor in which he could score.

Fox's offense seems very braun-esque to me. It's an offense that basically leads to no where. I honestly don't have an idea what the offense is trying to accomplish.

I know fox doesn't want the team to play 1 on 1. But if you just aimlessly pass the ball around, and the shot clock starts winding down, you are forcing your players into hero ball anyways (and with a short clock).

Bradley isn't crabbe quite yet. But he needs to be the focus of the offense. And once teams start overplaying Bradley, then you can start running counters and getting others open.

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Good post. I was at the game and at times I was thinking they were passing it around without purpose, then go 1 on 1. I couldn't figure out what they were trying to get. Then again, I'm terribly rusty as a hoops analyst!

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When will we ever learn to break a press???

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Paris did a great job of it from where I was sitting. Not sure what you are talking about.

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socaltownie said:

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Can we get Monty back coaching?

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I'd rather have Monty's players.

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No! He recruited poorly and was always short-handed. You want Braun's players.

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ducky23 said:

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Monty kept saying it over and over. You need to put your best scorers in an area in which they can score

Monty was a master designing an offense whose sole purpose was getting crabbe open. Either by running crabbe thru multiple screens or setting crabbe up in a position on the floor in which he could score.

Fox's offense seems very braun-esque to me. It's an offense that basically leads to no where. I honestly don't have an idea what the offense is trying to accomplish.

I know fox doesn't want the team to play 1 on 1. But if you just aimlessly pass the ball around, and the shot clock starts winding down, you are forcing your players into hero ball anyways (and with a short clock).

Bradley isn't crabbe quite yet. But he needs to be the focus of the offense. And once teams start overplaying Bradley, then you can start running counters and getting others open.

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Good post. I was at the game and at times I was thinking they were passing it around without purpose, then go 1 on 1. I couldn't figure out what they were trying to get. Then again, I'm terribly rusty as a hoops analyst!

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CT, you're rusty because you've been spending all your time on the OT board, preaching to the choir... and to 2-3 ever-Trumpers.

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socaltownie said:

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Can we get Monty back coaching?

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I'll say it again SCT: you complained about him constantly when he was coaching....

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Actually complain constantly when he was RECRUITING ;-)

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Exactly!
Me too!

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concordtom said:

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ducky23 said:

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Monty kept saying it over and over. You need to put your best scorers in an area in which they can score

Monty was a master designing an offense whose sole purpose was getting crabbe open. Either by running crabbe thru multiple screens or setting crabbe up in a position on the floor in which he could score.

Fox's offense seems very braun-esque to me. It's an offense that basically leads to no where. I honestly don't have an idea what the offense is trying to accomplish.

I know fox doesn't want the team to play 1 on 1. But if you just aimlessly pass the ball around, and the shot clock starts winding down, you are forcing your players into hero ball anyways (and with a short clock).

Bradley isn't crabbe quite yet. But he needs to be the focus of the offense. And once teams start overplaying Bradley, then you can start running counters and getting others open.

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Good post. I was at the game and at times I was thinking they were passing it around without purpose, then go 1 on 1. I couldn't figure out what they were trying to get. Then again, I'm terribly rusty as a hoops analyst!

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CT, you're rusty because you've been spending all your time on the OT board, preaching to the choir... and to 2-3 always-Trumpers.

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Yep!
That's precisely true!!

When Trump is dead, I'll be back full time.

Fresno pressed all night and never got a turnover. The Lars experiment seems to be over. Kelly needs to shoot when open. More screens should be set for South. Less than 1000 at game time , A few more later. You could sit wherever you wanted. Quite a few Fresno fans took a bus to Haas and fiilled in half of section 1. Wont comment on game night experience. The game was the highlight.

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Fresno pressed all night and never got a turnover. The Lars experiment seems to be over. Kelly needs to shoot when open. More screens should be set for South. Less than 1000 at game time , A few more later. You could sit wherever you wanted. Quite a few Fresno fans took a bus to Haas and fiilled in half of section 1. Wont comment on game night experience. The game was the highlight.

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As to the game night experience, at least they kept the PA/music volume down. Unfortunately, the volume of the Straw Hat Band was down, too (15 member alumni band). I get it, finals are very, very soon -- or even now --but 30 band members can't use a study break?

Still waiting for a REAL draw, like the Axe.

ducky23 said:

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Monty kept saying it over and over. You need to put your best scorers in an area in which they can score

Monty was a master designing an offense whose sole purpose was getting crabbe open. Either by running crabbe thru multiple screens or setting crabbe up in a position on the floor in which he could score.

Bradley isn't crabbe quite yet. But he needs to be the focus of the offense. And once teams start overplaying Bradley, then you can start running counters and getting others open.

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agree about monty. i've said it before, but the most amazing accomplishment monty had that illustrates that he is a master coach is his three Conference MVPs

another thing he always used to say is not all passes are a good pass. passing a player the ball when they are not in position to do anything with it is not a good pass

agree that our offense doesn't get bradley open looks often enough. same with grant, although that's harder to do as grant really needs to be set up

Nice to get the win. I thought this was a must win game, but it really demonstrates this teams limitations.

Good:

• Bradley and South found their 3pt shot again
• Kelly with some hustle plays
• Probably the best player rotation I've seen so far this season

Bad:

• Offense not executing well. This seems to be more about execution than design (SCT summed up well above wrt position in the paint as well as use and reaction to screens. Passing is OK, but not great)
• Kelly did not have ENOUGH hustle plays
• Too many individual mistakes (fortunately, Fresneck made more). IF we can minimize mistakes, we will be in more games and win some.

I think I'm OK with Fox's designs defensively and offensively in that they fit the talent mix we have. However, the execution on both sides is still pretty poor and that is also on him. The staff needs to tighten that up QUICK. It seems like they are doing fewer things in an attempt to do them better - that makes sense.

Energy is still a problem for this group. Players didn't look dejected (which is good), but they also didn't look gassed, just sort of got slower and sloppier as the game progressed. When we had our Bradley/South runs and a couple defensive stops, the energy elevated. That indicates to me that it is more about attitude than stamina with this group (not surprising for such a young/new group).

Final Good/Bad on TV. Having Evan Weaver sit with Monty & Haberman was great! Having it last more than 45 seconds was painful - what were the producers thinking?!?!

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Nice to get the win. I thought this was a must win game, but it really demonstrates this teams limitations.

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The core of this team is very young. I suppose that could be seen a limitation, but for me I see more of the potential.

Bradley and Kelly are sophomores, and have already polished important parts of their offensive games.
Paris and South are seniors, and are about as good as they'll get for us.

The rest have some great room for growth, especially the freshman.
Thiemann is looking very discouraged now by his performance. He'll put in the work to get it right and take advantage of his big, big body.
Thorpe's time will come. He's big, strong and athletic, with more potential than Lars, IMO.
Kuany is the most athletic player we've had since Jaylen Brown.
Brown's an athletic distributor and defender who will learn how to score at the college level.
Klonaras has crazy range on his 3 and he's tall for a shooting guard. He'll stretch defenses when his all-around game is good enough to earn him minutes.

Looked like Fresno played a man press so as long as you just cleared out everyone, Fresno stayed back. I recall 1 press where they doubled and it led to a CAL timeout but other than that they broke the "press" pretty easily.