stu said:
Live Stats says the starters are Foreman, Betley, Bradley, Kuany, and Thorpe. Bit of a shake up.
Thanks Bearister. Yep being isolated the cases haven't surged like on the mainland. Slowly and steadily though tourists are coming back. Because of the testing/quarantine protocol so far it hasn't created an outbreak, but it has only been a few weeks since opening up. Meanwhile droves of small and big businesses have gone under, dependent heavily on tourism. Happy Thanksgiving my man.bearister said:
Good analysis, KAB, Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours. It must be quiet over there.
It looks like both Foreman and Brown can play PG and I think Bradley could in a pinch. I'm more concerned about everyone playing defense and rebounding.HoopDreams said:
Not to pick on a walk-in but shot two bricks with poor form and got his pocket picked twice. Bad pass that was almost stolen. He will not be able to provide a few spot PG minutes like our walk ons have done the last five+ years
stu said:
Right after I criticized Thiemann he made several good plays. But I'm not sure he'll be a solid D-1 player by the time his eligibility is gone. Maybe so if everyone gets another year. I remember how Thurman looked at first, he developed far beyond my expectations.
One thing Thurman wasn't was soft. He dunked everything. Lars need to dunk everything in sight instead of the weak stuff. Most of the time he has a couple of inches on anyone near him. Needs a little attitude not altitude.stu said:
Right after I criticized Thiemann he made several good plays. But I'm not sure he'll be a solid D-1 player by the time his eligibility is gone. Maybe so if everyone gets another year. I remember how Thurman looked at first, he developed far beyond my expectations.
KoreAmBear said:One thing Thurman wasn't was soft. He dunked everything. Lars need to dunk everything in sight instead of the weak stuff. Most of the time he has a couple of inches on anyone near him. Needs a little attitude not altitude.stu said:
Right after I criticized Thiemann he made several good plays. But I'm not sure he'll be a solid D-1 player by the time his eligibility is gone. Maybe so if everyone gets another year. I remember how Thurman looked at first, he developed far beyond my expectations.
Either that, or being only about 20 points better than NAIA Northwest is not a good sign for our Bears, compared to Oregon State being 70 points better than Northwest.KoreAmBear said:
Oregon State rolled Northwest 114-42. I don't think Oregon State is a 12th place kind of team.
He went small not to match up, but to send a message to the starters from the previous game, especially Brown and Thiemann, who both had not played well against OSU. Anticevich had 10 rebounds vs OSU, but otherwise, did not play well. Foreman outplayed Brown in the OSU game, and Thorpe had played well in a short appearance against OSU. Fox could have started Kelly instead of Thiemann, but he probably figured Thorpe deserved a shot. You may be right about replacing Grant with Kuany for height, but in a game with such a weak opponent, I don't think matchups are a big concern for Mark Fox.calumnus said:stu said:
Live Stats says the starters are Foreman, Betley, Bradley, Kuany, and Thorpe. Bit of a shake up.
Improvement, though Fox probably went small to match up defensively with Northwest
I think we won by 25, but perhaps this just says that Oregon's State's bench is better than ours, and OSU's walk ons are better than ours. Both are believable, but I doubt the difference in margin of victory means much more than thatBearSD said:Either that, or being only about 20 points better than NAIA Northwest is not a good sign for our Bears, compared to Oregon State being 70 points better than Northwest.KoreAmBear said:
Oregon State rolled Northwest 114-42. I don't think Oregon State is a 12th place kind of team.
If Oregon State, the team picked to finish 10th in the conference, has starters that are slightly better and a bench that is far better than Cal, that doesn't tend to indicate the Bears will finish higher than 10th.HoopDreams said:I think we won by 25, but perhaps this just says that Oregon's State's bench is better than ours, and OSU's walk ons are better than ours. Both are believable, but I doubt the difference in margin of victory means much more than thatBearSD said:Either that, or being only about 20 points better than NAIA Northwest is not a good sign for our Bears, compared to Oregon State being 70 points better than Northwest.KoreAmBear said:
Oregon State rolled Northwest 114-42. I don't think Oregon State is a 12th place kind of team.
Yesterday, Thiemann had 9 points, 4 rebounds, an assist, made his free throws, and had only one foul in 12 minutes. On paper, his stat line was better than either the starter, Thorpe, or Kelly, or Anticevich. He won't do that against USC, but he might be able to do it against teams with centers who not near as good at Mobley.CALiforniALUM said:stu said:
Right after I criticized Thiemann he made several good plays. But I'm not sure he'll be a solid D-1 player by the time his eligibility is gone. Maybe so if everyone gets another year. I remember how Thurman looked at first, he developed far beyond my expectations.
I couldn't agree more. He seems to lack a certain physicality and aggressiveness I think he will ultimately need to be dominate. His hands are a real liability for him right now.
What I think Fox sees in him is 7 feet and four fouls in an undermanned position on the team.
Good point, but one could make a case that excepting Bradley Cal's starters are no better than Cal's bench.BearS said:
If Oregon State, the team picked to finish 10th in the conference, has starters that are slightly better and a bench that is far better than Cal, that doesn't tend to indicate the Bears will finish higher than 10th.
I wouldn't read too much into those scores. Cal doesn't have the firepower top to bottom or the offensive scheme to score 114 points. That doesn't mean Cal can't be a good basketball team, or that Cal can't beat OSU in conference games. This week's Cal-OSU game, played on their court with only a last minute notice, allowing for hardly any practice for Cal beforehand, was not an easy win for OSU, and Cal still made it close at the end. OSU was much better practiced and better prepared for that game, and it showed. Cal won't always have a lid on the basket, like they did in that game. Barring serious injuries or illnesses for Cal players, it is not a stretch to predict that Cal will beat OSU in Haas, and also have a 50-50 shot to beat them in Corvallis in conference games this season.BearSD said:Either that, or being only about 20 points better than NAIA Northwest is not a good sign for our Bears, compared to Oregon State being 70 points better than Northwest.KoreAmBear said:
Oregon State rolled Northwest 114-42. I don't think Oregon State is a 12th place kind of team.
I've felt Lars needed to turn the corner in his junior year. we will seebearister said:
You still got it SFCB! I am starting to waiver on Lars, however.
SFCityBear said:I wouldn't read too much into those scores. Cal doesn't have the firepower top to bottom or the offensive scheme to score 114 points. That doesn't mean Cal can't be a good basketball team, or that Cal can't beat OSU in conference games. This week's Cal-OSU game, played on their court with only a last minute notice, allowing for hardly any practice for Cal beforehand, was not an easy win for OSU, and Cal still made it close at the end. OSU was much better practiced and better prepared for that game, and it showed. Cal won't always have a lid on the basket, like they did in that game. Barring serious injuries or illnesses for Cal players, it is not a stretch to predict that Cal will beat OSU in Haas, and also have a 50-50 shot to beat them in Corvallis in conference games this season.BearSD said:Either that, or being only about 20 points better than NAIA Northwest is not a good sign for our Bears, compared to Oregon State being 70 points better than Northwest.KoreAmBear said:
Oregon State rolled Northwest 114-42. I don't think Oregon State is a 12th place kind of team.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I have little faith in pre-season picks. I think OSU may be better than 12th, or else the conference is improving overall, which I am a little skeptical about, based on the number of quality PAC12 players drafted by the NBA for this season. That OSU transfer from Nichols gives OSU another dimension. They look more athletic than last year. Of course, a very rusty unprepared Cal may have made OSU look better than they are.calumnus said:SFCityBear said:I wouldn't read too much into those scores. Cal doesn't have the firepower top to bottom or the offensive scheme to score 114 points. That doesn't mean Cal can't be a good basketball team, or that Cal can't beat OSU in conference games. This week's Cal-OSU game, played on their court with only a last minute notice, allowing for hardly any practice for Cal beforehand, was not an easy win for OSU, and Cal still made it close at the end. OSU was much better practiced and better prepared for that game, and it showed. Cal won't always have a lid on the basket, like they did in that game. Barring serious injuries or illnesses for Cal players, it is not a stretch to predict that Cal will beat OSU in Haas, and also have a 50-50 shot to beat them in Corvallis in conference games this season.BearSD said:Either that, or being only about 20 points better than NAIA Northwest is not a good sign for our Bears, compared to Oregon State being 70 points better than Northwest.KoreAmBear said:
Oregon State rolled Northwest 114-42. I don't think Oregon State is a 12th place kind of team.
Of course, OSU was picked 12th in conference so, yeah.
