Vaccine Redux - Vax up and go to Class

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Trump trying to buy votes as usual


No..that's just common sense.
Once you allow the average GI Joe to decide which orders they will obey and there's no penalty for it, you're starting the military down a very slippery slope.
Unfortunately for those in the military now, they will have to comply or suffer the consequences. But the military knows this isn't helping their cause in the long term. They are facing a recruiting nightmare right now.

https://nypost.com/2022/07/21/americas-woke-army-is-facing-a-recruiting-nightmare/
https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/07/how-covid-may-have-crushed-military-recruitment/

Sucks that soldiers need to follow orders nowadays, in order to achieve a greater good. What's this nation coming to?!?

But hey, Amazon's hiring!
Well the Vax doesn't work so...they were right not to. People that took 2 shots had their immune systems drop lower than an unvaxxed person. Sounds like thats bad.

What does it mean for an immune system to "drop lower?"

Is that a medical term?
your ability to keep getting covid is becoming higher than people who don't take the vax.
What's your source on that?
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A study published in the New England Journal of Medicine showed that people vaccinated against COVID-19 remained contagious with the virus for a longer period of time than their unvaccinated counterparts.

The disparity in contagiousness was particularly pronounced between the unvaccinated and individuals who did not receive a booster shot.

https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/07/22/unvaccinated-people-remain-contagious-with-covid-19-for-shorter-period-of-time/

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2202092
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sycasey said:

MinotStateBeav said:

sycasey said:

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Trump trying to buy votes as usual


No..that's just common sense.
Once you allow the average GI Joe to decide which orders they will obey and there's no penalty for it, you're starting the military down a very slippery slope.
Unfortunately for those in the military now, they will have to comply or suffer the consequences. But the military knows this isn't helping their cause in the long term. They are facing a recruiting nightmare right now.

https://nypost.com/2022/07/21/americas-woke-army-is-facing-a-recruiting-nightmare/
https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/07/how-covid-may-have-crushed-military-recruitment/

Sucks that soldiers need to follow orders nowadays, in order to achieve a greater good. What's this nation coming to?!?

But hey, Amazon's hiring!
Well the Vax doesn't work so...they were right not to. People that took 2 shots had their immune systems drop lower than an unvaxxed person. Sounds like thats bad.

What does it mean for an immune system to "drop lower?"

Is that a medical term?
your ability to keep getting covid is becoming higher than people who don't take the vax.
What's your source on that?
Maybe he just realized people who die from COVID are less likely to get COVID a second time. How many of the 1M Americans dead from COVID went on to get it again?
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Unit2Sucks said:

sycasey said:

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sycasey said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Big C said:

BearForce2 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

dimitrig said:

BearForce2 said:




Trump trying to buy votes as usual


No..that's just common sense.
Once you allow the average GI Joe to decide which orders they will obey and there's no penalty for it, you're starting the military down a very slippery slope.
Unfortunately for those in the military now, they will have to comply or suffer the consequences. But the military knows this isn't helping their cause in the long term. They are facing a recruiting nightmare right now.

https://nypost.com/2022/07/21/americas-woke-army-is-facing-a-recruiting-nightmare/
https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/07/how-covid-may-have-crushed-military-recruitment/

Sucks that soldiers need to follow orders nowadays, in order to achieve a greater good. What's this nation coming to?!?

But hey, Amazon's hiring!
Well the Vax doesn't work so...they were right not to. People that took 2 shots had their immune systems drop lower than an unvaxxed person. Sounds like thats bad.

What does it mean for an immune system to "drop lower?"

Is that a medical term?
your ability to keep getting covid is becoming higher than people who don't take the vax.
What's your source on that?
Maybe he just realized people who die from COVID are less likely to get COVID a second time. How many of the 1M Americans dead from COVID went on to get it again?


Zero went on to get covid again. 25,000, however, did vote for Biden post mortem.
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oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

sycasey said:

MinotStateBeav said:

sycasey said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Big C said:

BearForce2 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

MinotStateBeav said:

dimitrig said:

BearForce2 said:




Trump trying to buy votes as usual


No..that's just common sense.
Once you allow the average GI Joe to decide which orders they will obey and there's no penalty for it, you're starting the military down a very slippery slope.
Unfortunately for those in the military now, they will have to comply or suffer the consequences. But the military knows this isn't helping their cause in the long term. They are facing a recruiting nightmare right now.

https://nypost.com/2022/07/21/americas-woke-army-is-facing-a-recruiting-nightmare/
https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/07/how-covid-may-have-crushed-military-recruitment/

Sucks that soldiers need to follow orders nowadays, in order to achieve a greater good. What's this nation coming to?!?

But hey, Amazon's hiring!
Well the Vax doesn't work so...they were right not to. People that took 2 shots had their immune systems drop lower than an unvaxxed person. Sounds like thats bad.

What does it mean for an immune system to "drop lower?"

Is that a medical term?
your ability to keep getting covid is becoming higher than people who don't take the vax.
What's your source on that?
Maybe he just realized people who die from COVID are less likely to get COVID a second time. How many of the 1M Americans dead from COVID went on to get it again?


Zero went on to get covid again. 25,000, however, did vote for Biden post mortem.
Is that more or less than the number of deplorables who voted for Trump after murdering their wives?

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So, vaccines don't work or they were oversold as stopping infection as opposed to just reducing the odds of fatal symptoms?

This is why some of us here thought it was idiotic to say the unvaccinated in their state were preventing COVID from going away as if COVID were not a global pandemic. Infection and reinfection rate among vaccinated were showing early on after the first three month of the mass vaccination the falsehood of the vaccine being effective in stopping infection (which studies showed fairly early) while being highly effective in reducing hospitalization and death rate.

So, let's not get all fearmongering on increased cases but instead focus on death rate among those vaccinated and boosted. Either decide that vaccines are worthless and we should still focus on case rate or that what we should focus on is hospitalization rate beyond capacity and death rate for vaccinated per 100K (don't care about increase of 100% if it is going from 20 to 40, especially if people are dying at a greater percentage on other things).
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I'm cool with everyone just playing their own odds game with their behavior and hoping for the best. If you end up on the wrong side of the odds, take it like a soldier.
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I'm cool with everyone just playing their own odds game with their behavior and hoping for the best. If you end up on the wrong side of the odds, take it like a soldier.
I couldn't agree more. I am fully vaccinated and double boosted. My family is fully vaccinated and boosted. If you want to roll the dice, go for it. We all deal with risk differently and have different risk tolerance. The chances of hospitalization getting to prior overcapacity levels is almost none unless the vaccines are truly worthless.
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calbear93 said:

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So, vaccines don't work or they were oversold as stopping infection as opposed to just reducing the odds of fatal symptoms?

This is why some of us here thought it was idiotic to say the unvaccinated in their state were preventing COVID from going away as if COVID were not a global pandemic. Infection and reinfection rate among vaccinated were showing early on after the first three month of the mass vaccination the falsehood of the vaccine being effective in stopping infection (which studies showed fairly early) while being highly effective in reducing hospitalization and death rate.

So, let's not get all fearmongering on increased cases but instead focus on death rate among those vaccinated and boosted. Either decide that vaccines are worthless and we should still focus on case rate or that what we should focus on is hospitalization rate beyond capacity and death rate for vaccinated per 100K (don't care about increase of 100% if it is going from 20 to 40, especially if people are dying at a greater percentage on other things).
It was a legitimate argument that vaccines could help stop (or at least significantly curb) infection for the original Alpha strain and maybe also for Delta. Omicron changed the game. It's clearly too transmissible to be stopped.

I agree that hospital capacity and death rates should be the measures now. Trying to stop all COVID infections is wildly impractical.
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What people should be doing is wearing masks.

That way they are less likely to get sick and make others sick.

It is apparently too much to ask in this country.

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Yes, the situation is absurd. You can thank tRump for politicizing masks and social distancing. To millions of Americans it is considered a negative political act to wear a mask.
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dimitrig said:


What people should be doing is wearing masks.

That way they are less likely to get sick and make others sick.

It is apparently too much to ask in this country.
Honestly? It probably is too much to ask virtually the entire population to continue wearing masks in public spaces for more than two years with no obvious end in sight. A lot of people just don't like wearing masks and don't want to do it forever. Masks don't work well as a public-health measure unless you have high compliance.

IMO this was a fair criticism in the early months of the pandemic, but I'm not going to blame people for being tired of masks at this point. Vaccines have been out for a while and people can protect themselves.
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sycasey said:

dimitrig said:


What people should be doing is wearing masks.

That way they are less likely to get sick and make others sick.

It is apparently too much to ask in this country.
Honestly? It probably is too much to ask virtually the entire population to continue wearing masks in public spaces for more than two years with no obvious end in sight. A lot of people just don't like wearing masks and don't want to do it forever. Masks don't work well as a public-health measure unless you have high compliance.

IMO this was a fair criticism in the early months of the pandemic, but I'm not going to blame people for being tired of masks at this point. Vaccines have been out for a while and people can protect themselves.


The vaccine isn't preventing illness and masks are.


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dimitrig said:

sycasey said:

dimitrig said:


What people should be doing is wearing masks.

That way they are less likely to get sick and make others sick.

It is apparently too much to ask in this country.
Honestly? It probably is too much to ask virtually the entire population to continue wearing masks in public spaces for more than two years with no obvious end in sight. A lot of people just don't like wearing masks and don't want to do it forever. Masks don't work well as a public-health measure unless you have high compliance.

IMO this was a fair criticism in the early months of the pandemic, but I'm not going to blame people for being tired of masks at this point. Vaccines have been out for a while and people can protect themselves.


The vaccine isn't preventing illness and masks are.
Depends on what you mean. The vaccine still seems very good at preventing SERIOUS illness (like the kind that could kill or incapacitate you). Preventing infections, no.

One-way masking also seems to work pretty well . . . if you have a well-fitting KN-95 or something similar. But what do you expect here? That the entire world is going to keep masking indefinitely? That we are going to eradicate COVID-19?
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Yes, the situation is absurd. You can thank tRump for politicizing masks and social distancing. To millions of Americans it is considered a negative political act to wear a mask.
I wear a mask in public most of the time (even at work where it's still required when the community COVID level is high). I haven't had COVID yet.

Ph*ck their feelings.
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Pair of new studies point to natural Covid origin


https://news.yahoo.com/pair-studies-point-natural-covid-213514366.html



"Have we disproven the lab leak theory? No, we have not. Will we ever be able to know? No," said co-author Kristian Anderson of The Scripps Research Institute.

"But I think what's really important here is that there are possible scenarios and they're plausible scenarios and it's really important to understand that possible does not mean equally likely."
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bearister said:

Pair of new studies point to natural Covid origin


https://news.yahoo.com/pair-studies-point-natural-covid-213514366.html



"Have we disproven the lab leak theory? No, we have not. Will we ever be able to know? No," said co-author Kristian Anderson of The Scripps Research Institute.

"But I think what's really important here is that there are possible scenarios and they're plausible scenarios and it's really important to understand that possible does not mean equally likely."
Yes but the anti-vaxxers feel like it was a lab leak and will never acknowledge any other origin, no matter how well researched. They only like the 1% of studies with small sample sizes that confirm their biases.
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bearister said:

Pair of new studies point to natural Covid origin


https://news.yahoo.com/pair-studies-point-natural-covid-213514366.html



"Have we disproven the lab leak theory? No, we have not. Will we ever be able to know? No," said co-author Kristian Anderson of The Scripps Research Institute.

"But I think what's really important here is that there are possible scenarios and they're plausible scenarios and it's really important to understand that possible does not mean equally likely."
this read like the CCP putting out a press release.
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MinotStateBeav said:

bearister said:

Pair of new studies point to natural Covid origin


https://news.yahoo.com/pair-studies-point-natural-covid-213514366.html



"Have we disproven the lab leak theory? No, we have not. Will we ever be able to know? No," said co-author Kristian Anderson of The Scripps Research Institute.

"But I think what's really important here is that there are possible scenarios and they're plausible scenarios and it's really important to understand that possible does not mean equally likely."
this read like the CCP putting out a press release.
did you ever provide the quote from Birx about vaccines weakening immune response or whatever it is you claimed?

You've made so many ridiculous claims over the years that have turned out to be false. To your credit you occasionally do acknowledge when you've been duped by misinformation and I assume when you provide your quote from Birx you will acknowledge that you were wrong there as well.
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Unit2Sucks said:

bearister said:

Pair of new studies point to natural Covid origin


https://news.yahoo.com/pair-studies-point-natural-covid-213514366.html



"Have we disproven the lab leak theory? No, we have not. Will we ever be able to know? No," said co-author Kristian Anderson of The Scripps Research Institute.

"But I think what's really important here is that there are possible scenarios and they're plausible scenarios and it's really important to understand that possible does not mean equally likely."
Yes but the anti-vaxxers feel like it was a lab leak and will never acknowledge any other origin, no matter how well researched. They only like the 1% of studies with small sample sizes that confirm their biases.


Yes, but the pro-vaxxers feel like it was of natural original and will never acknowledge any other origin, no matter how well researched. They only like the old studies with small sample sizes that confirm their biases. Darsh! (Btw, neither your statement nor mine are actually true but you have great rhetoric!)
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oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

bearister said:

Pair of new studies point to natural Covid origin


https://news.yahoo.com/pair-studies-point-natural-covid-213514366.html



"Have we disproven the lab leak theory? No, we have not. Will we ever be able to know? No," said co-author Kristian Anderson of The Scripps Research Institute.

"But I think what's really important here is that there are possible scenarios and they're plausible scenarios and it's really important to understand that possible does not mean equally likely."
Yes but the anti-vaxxers feel like it was a lab leak and will never acknowledge any other origin, no matter how well researched. They only like the 1% of studies with small sample sizes that confirm their biases.


Yes, but the pro-vaxxers feel like it was of natural original and will never acknowledge any other origin, no matter how well researched. They only like the old studies with small sample sizes that confirm their biases. Darsh! (Btw, neither your statement nor mine are actually true but you have great rhetoric!)
Oh look the board's least interesting contarian did his deed. It took you over a year to realize that Novavax wouldn't make a difference so we're all used to you being behind the curve. We can re-visit this once you finally catch up with the rest of us.
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Unit2Sucks said:

oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

bearister said:

Pair of new studies point to natural Covid origin


https://news.yahoo.com/pair-studies-point-natural-covid-213514366.html



"Have we disproven the lab leak theory? No, we have not. Will we ever be able to know? No," said co-author Kristian Anderson of The Scripps Research Institute.

"But I think what's really important here is that there are possible scenarios and they're plausible scenarios and it's really important to understand that possible does not mean equally likely."
Yes but the anti-vaxxers feel like it was a lab leak and will never acknowledge any other origin, no matter how well researched. They only like the 1% of studies with small sample sizes that confirm their biases.


Yes, but the pro-vaxxers feel like it was of natural original and will never acknowledge any other origin, no matter how well researched. They only like the old studies with small sample sizes that confirm their biases. Darsh! (Btw, neither your statement nor mine are actually true but you have great rhetoric!)
Oh look the board's least interesting contarian did his deed. It took you over a year to realize that Novavax wouldn't make a difference so we're all used to you being behind the curve. We can re-visit this once you finally catch up with the rest of us.


False statement. False statement. False statement. Nice trifecta. Keep up the good work inventing other people's thoughts and positions and then putting them down.
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bearister said:

Pair of new studies point to natural Covid origin


https://news.yahoo.com/pair-studies-point-natural-covid-213514366.html



"Have we disproven the lab leak theory? No, we have not. Will we ever be able to know? No," said co-author Kristian Anderson of The Scripps Research Institute.

"But I think what's really important here is that there are possible scenarios and they're plausible scenarios and it's really important to understand that possible does not mean equally likely."

Who wrote this, Fauci himself?
The OT forum is a left wing bubble consisting mainly of delusional lefties who spread disinformation. Their favorite topic? Donald J. Trump. Their least favorite topic? The current president, Joe Biden.
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It's very revealing that anything more complex than "See spot run" proves too challenging for your RWNJ brain.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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bearister said:

I'm cool with everyone just playing their own odds game with their behavior and hoping for the best. If you end up on the wrong side of the odds, take it like a soldier.
A newfound Libertarian?? Oh, my.
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https://instagr.am/p/CgUdbd7OiEK



In a tragic turn of events on Sunday, a 27-year-old triathlete and resident doctor at McMaster Children's Hospital in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada, collapsed while swimming. On Thursday, four days after the incident, she passed away.

Dr. Candace Nayman's death comes less than two weeks after the deaths of four other physicians. Dr. Candace was the fifth Greater Toronto Area (GTA) doctor to die in July.
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BearForce2 said:

https://instagr.am/p/CgUdbd7OiEK

In a tragic turn of events on Sunday, a 27-year-old triathlete and resident doctor at McMaster Children's Hospital in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada, collapsed while swimming. On Thursday, four days after the incident, she passed away.

Dr. Candace Nayman's death comes less than two weeks after the deaths of four other physicians. Dr. Candace was the fifth Greater Toronto Area (GTA) doctor to die in July.


Fake news.

"The hospital system for which the doctors worked called such claims 'simply not true.' Public information about the deaths indicates that two died from cancer. The third was 'seriously ill,' according to his office, though the exact cause of death hasn't been publicly reported.

An obituary for Segall, who died on July 17 at 49, said the otolaryngologist died after a 'ridiculously unfair and hard fought year-long battle with advanced lung cancer.'

Sawicki, meanwhile, died on July 19 and had stomach cancer, according to a GoFundMe page arranged by his wife, Iris, to raise money for a scholarship in his name for future medical students. Sawicki was a member of a surgical assisting team at Trillium, according to a hospital memorial notice provided to the AP.

McKenzie was a neurologist with the hospital system for nearly 40 years before he died on July 18, according to a similar notice also provided by Trillium to the AP. A voicemail for his office tells callers that McKenzie was 'seriously ill' prior to his death and that his office is permanently closed."

(Source: https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-canada-doctors-deaths-covid-vaccines-352319081218)


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Republicans are liars. Nothing surprising about this at all.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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AunBear89 said:

Republicans are liars. Nothing surprising about this at all.


These people who believe lies posted to social media are the same people who think there is no way Russia could have influenced our elections using social media.

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dimitrig said:

BearForce2 said:

https://instagr.am/p/CgUdbd7OiEK

In a tragic turn of events on Sunday, a 27-year-old triathlete and resident doctor at McMaster Children's Hospital in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada, collapsed while swimming. On Thursday, four days after the incident, she passed away.

Dr. Candace Nayman's death comes less than two weeks after the deaths of four other physicians. Dr. Candace was the fifth Greater Toronto Area (GTA) doctor to die in July.


Fake news.

"The hospital system for which the doctors worked called such claims 'simply not true.' Public information about the deaths indicates that two died from cancer. The third was 'seriously ill,' according to his office, though the exact cause of death hasn't been publicly reported.

An obituary for Segall, who died on July 17 at 49, said the otolaryngologist died after a 'ridiculously unfair and hard fought year-long battle with advanced lung cancer.'

Sawicki, meanwhile, died on July 19 and had stomach cancer, according to a GoFundMe page arranged by his wife, Iris, to raise money for a scholarship in his name for future medical students. Sawicki was a member of a surgical assisting team at Trillium, according to a hospital memorial notice provided to the AP.

McKenzie was a neurologist with the hospital system for nearly 40 years before he died on July 18, according to a similar notice also provided by Trillium to the AP. A voicemail for his office tells callers that McKenzie was 'seriously ill' prior to his death and that his office is permanently closed."

(Source: https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-canada-doctors-deaths-covid-vaccines-352319081218)




This is the tweet that hospital put out.

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Dr. Paul Hannam, the Chief of Emergency Medicine and Program Medical Director at North York General Hospital (NYGH), died unexpectedly on Saturday while out for a run, according to his colleagues.

Arrhythmia? Vaccine?
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dimitrig said:

AunBear89 said:

Republicans are liars. Nothing surprising about this at all.

These people who believe lies posted to social media are the same people who think there is no way Russia could have influenced our elections using social media.


The Instragram post was real. The facts are that the doctors died. Which part is fake?
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It is safe to assume that 3 of the 5 doctors posted did not die from an mRNA covid vaccine.
 
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