If I have parasitic worms, I'd take Ivermectin if it was prescribed for me. For other unproven speculative uses, I'll trust 99% of the medical community over a handful of pompous armchair virologists and epidemiologists on a college football message board.Zippergate said:
Maybe it's just me but ridiculing a drug that might have saved countless lives strikes me as not very funny. People sued hospitals, often in vain, to force them to provide ivermectin to their loved ones suffering from Covid. Ivermectin is safer than tylenol and has been administered to billions of people. It's on the WHO's list of essential medicines and earned the discoverer a Nobel prize. I wonder if drugs like ivermectin will be available to you and your loved ones when the next pandemic hits.
A horse by any other name is still a horse.Cal88 said:
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
A stitch in nine saves equine.Cal88 said:
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
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Where did I say Ivermectin is a drug for horses?Zippergate said:
So you are going to trust the people who conned you into believing that ivermectin is a drug for horses. Got it.
Of course, of course, said the horse.Big C said:A stitch in nine saves equine.Cal88 said:
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
Are you anti-horse?Eastern Oregon Bear said:Where did I say Ivermectin is a drug for horses?Zippergate said:
So you are going to trust the people who conned you into believing that ivermectin is a drug for horses. Got it.
Back off, man. I'm a scientist.bear2034 said:
Eastern Oregon Bear is anti-science and anti-horses.
Here's the lie...Eastern Oregon Bear said:Where did I say Ivermectin is a drug for horses?Zippergate said:
So you are going to trust the people who conned you into believing that ivermectin is a drug for horses. Got it.
You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y'all. Stop it. https://t.co/TWb75xYEY4
— U.S. FDA (@US_FDA) August 21, 2021
You were wrong. Nice work finding a 2.5 year old tweet that says something I didn't say. I don't believe I've ever seen that tweet before. If so, I certainly don't remember it. That's not surprising because I spend close to zero time on social media. If not for my work duties and what gets posted here, it probably would be zero. I know that must be shocking to someone like you who must spend hours per day finding things to post here.Zippergate said:Here's the lie...Eastern Oregon Bear said:Where did I say Ivermectin is a drug for horses?Zippergate said:
So you are going to trust the people who conned you into believing that ivermectin is a drug for horses. Got it.You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y'all. Stop it. https://t.co/TWb75xYEY4
— U.S. FDA (@US_FDA) August 21, 2021
And here's you perpetuating the lie...
"This was after the doctor asked how many doses your friend needed and he stamped his hoof on the floor 30 times. "
Or was I wrong to assume that the hoof reference was to this viral tweet from FDA?
Eastern Oregon Bear said:You were wrong. Nice work finding a 2.5 year old tweet that says something I didn't say. I don't believe I've ever seen that tweet before. If so, I certainly don't remember it. That's not surprising because I spend close to zero time on social media. If not for my work duties and what gets posted here, it probably would be zero. I know that must be shocking to someone like you who must spend hours per day finding things to post here.Zippergate said:Here's the lie...Eastern Oregon Bear said:Where did I say Ivermectin is a drug for horses?Zippergate said:
So you are going to trust the people who conned you into believing that ivermectin is a drug for horses. Got it.You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y'all. Stop it. https://t.co/TWb75xYEY4
— U.S. FDA (@US_FDA) August 21, 2021
And here's you perpetuating the lie...
"This was after the doctor asked how many doses your friend needed and he stamped his hoof on the floor 30 times. "
Or was I wrong to assume that the hoof reference was to this viral tweet from FDA?
<Yawn>oski003 said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:You were wrong. Nice work finding a 2.5 year old tweet that says something I didn't say. I don't believe I've ever seen that tweet before. If so, I certainly don't remember it. That's not surprising because I spend close to zero time on social media. If not for my work duties and what gets posted here, it probably would be zero. I know that must be shocking to someone like you who must spend hours per day finding things to post here.Zippergate said:Here's the lie...Eastern Oregon Bear said:Where did I say Ivermectin is a drug for horses?Zippergate said:
So you are going to trust the people who conned you into believing that ivermectin is a drug for horses. Got it.You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y'all. Stop it. https://t.co/TWb75xYEY4
— U.S. FDA (@US_FDA) August 21, 2021
And here's you perpetuating the lie...
"This was after the doctor asked how many doses your friend needed and he stamped his hoof on the floor 30 times. "
Or was I wrong to assume that the hoof reference was to this viral tweet from FDA?
Why did you so make the hoof joke? Were you fully aware that ivermectin is for humans but just wanted to mislead on behalf of big pharma? Or were you ignorant and really thought ivermectin was only for veterinary use? Please clarify.
From this discussion, you'd think Ivermectin was only for humans. In reality, the vast majority of it's usage in the US is for horses, cattle, pigs, sheep and goats. As I recall, the unprescribed usage of Ivermectin for Covid was from veterinary grade Ivermectin that wasn't intended for human use. That's likely what FDA was trying to prevent. It does say "Using the Drug Ivermectin to treat COVID-19 can be dangerous and even lethal. The FDA has not approved the drug for that purpose.". People trying to treat themselves stand a good chance of overdosing, so it wasn't safe. That's why the references to people not being horses or cows. It wasn't to suggest it's not for humans, just that it wasn't approved for treating Covid in humansZippergate said:
It's not just some obscure 2.5 year-old tweet. It was a major news story that went viral. The FDA disgraced itself in order to discourage people from using a drug that was gaining attention worldwide as an effective treatment for Covid. I find it strange that you read this board yet are unaware of the controversy. Now that you know, do you think this viral tweet was a reasonable communication from the FDA?
Eastern Oregon Bear said:From this discussion, you'd think Ivermectin was only for humans. In reality, the vast majority of it's usage in the US is for horses, cattle, pigs, sheep and goats. As I recall, the unprescribed usage of Ivermectin for Covid was from veterinary grade Ivermectin that wasn't intended for human use. That's likely what FDA was trying to prevent. It does say "Using the Drug Ivermectin to treat COVID-19 can be dangerous and even lethal. The FDA has not approved the drug for that purpose.". People trying to treat themselves stand a good chance of overdosing, so it wasn't safe. That's why the references to people not being horses or cows. It wasn't to suggest it's not for humans, just that it wasn't approved for treating Covid in humansZippergate said:
It's not just some obscure 2.5 year-old tweet. It was a major news story that went viral. The FDA disgraced itself in order to discourage people from using a drug that was gaining attention worldwide as an effective treatment for Covid. I find it strange that you read this board yet are unaware of the controversy. Now that you know, do you think this viral tweet was a reasonable communication from the FDA?
Funny how you, bear2034 and Oski007 are outraged while movielover, who I was joking about, hasn't said a word. I knew you all were a humorless bunch, but I didn't think you were this humorless.
OK, I'm done. Feel free to continue attacking me for something I don't believe and didn't say. I've got more important things to do.oski003 said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:From this discussion, you'd think Ivermectin was only for humans. In reality, the vast majority of it's usage in the US is for horses, cattle, pigs, sheep and goats. As I recall, the unprescribed usage of Ivermectin for Covid was from veterinary grade Ivermectin that wasn't intended for human use. That's likely what FDA was trying to prevent. It does say "Using the Drug Ivermectin to treat COVID-19 can be dangerous and even lethal. The FDA has not approved the drug for that purpose.". People trying to treat themselves stand a good chance of overdosing, so it wasn't safe. That's why the references to people not being horses or cows. It wasn't to suggest it's not for humans, just that it wasn't approved for treating Covid in humansZippergate said:
It's not just some obscure 2.5 year-old tweet. It was a major news story that went viral. The FDA disgraced itself in order to discourage people from using a drug that was gaining attention worldwide as an effective treatment for Covid. I find it strange that you read this board yet are unaware of the controversy. Now that you know, do you think this viral tweet was a reasonable communication from the FDA?
Funny how you, bear2034 and Oski007 are outraged while movielover, who I was joking about, hasn't said a word. I knew you all were a humorless bunch, but I didn't think you were this humorless.
Your first paragraph is irrelevant. Yes, non-human animals get worms and other parasites more than humans and therefore use ivermectin more. You are therefore correct it is used moreso in the USA for pets and livestock than humans. That is irrelevant to whether or not it treats covid. Other countries use the dirt cheap medication to treat covid while the u.s. uses $1,400 per course Paxlovid. Paxlovid, which contains an aggressive HIV inhibitor, is often even proactively prescribed, again for $1,400, for folks who are simply traveling internationally. Covid is Pfizer's cash cow. MOO! MOO!
As for your second paragraph, <yawn>.
MOO!
Eastern Oregon Bear said:From this discussion, you'd think Ivermectin was only for humans. In reality, the vast majority of it's usage in the US is for horses, cattle, pigs, sheep and goats. As I recall, the unprescribed usage of Ivermectin for Covid was from veterinary grade Ivermectin that wasn't intended for human use. That's likely what FDA was trying to prevent. It does say "Using the Drug Ivermectin to treat COVID-19 can be dangerous and even lethal. The FDA has not approved the drug for that purpose.". People trying to treat themselves stand a good chance of overdosing, so it wasn't safe. That's why the references to people not being horses or cows. It wasn't to suggest it's not for humans, just that it wasn't approved for treating Covid in humansZippergate said:
It's not just some obscure 2.5 year-old tweet. It was a major news story that went viral. The FDA disgraced itself in order to discourage people from using a drug that was gaining attention worldwide as an effective treatment for Covid. I find it strange that you read this board yet are unaware of the controversy. Now that you know, do you think this viral tweet was a reasonable communication from the FDA?
Funny how you, bear2034 and Oski007 are outraged while movielover, who I was joking about, hasn't said a word. I knew you all were a humorless bunch, but I didn't think you were this humorless.
bear2034 said:Of course, of course, said the horse.Big C said:A stitch in nine saves equine.Cal88 said:
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
Big C said:bear2034 said:Of course, of course, said the horse.Big C said:A stitch in nine saves equine.Cal88 said:
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
And let's not forget the John Elway theme song: A horse is a horse, of course, of course...
bearister said:
Yet another study shows little benefit for ivermectin with COVID-19 | CIDRAP
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/yet-another-study-shows-little-benefit-ivermectin-covid-19
"Overall, these findings, while evidencing a small benefit in symptom duration, do not support the use of ivermectin as treatment for COVID-19."
But why the hoof joke? You didn't answer that. Man up. Have a spine and stand behind what you post.Eastern Oregon Bear said:<Yawn>oski003 said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:You were wrong. Nice work finding a 2.5 year old tweet that says something I didn't say. I don't believe I've ever seen that tweet before. If so, I certainly don't remember it. That's not surprising because I spend close to zero time on social media. If not for my work duties and what gets posted here, it probably would be zero. I know that must be shocking to someone like you who must spend hours per day finding things to post here.Zippergate said:Here's the lie...Eastern Oregon Bear said:Where did I say Ivermectin is a drug for horses?Zippergate said:
So you are going to trust the people who conned you into believing that ivermectin is a drug for horses. Got it.You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y'all. Stop it. https://t.co/TWb75xYEY4
— U.S. FDA (@US_FDA) August 21, 2021
And here's you perpetuating the lie...
"This was after the doctor asked how many doses your friend needed and he stamped his hoof on the floor 30 times. "
Or was I wrong to assume that the hoof reference was to this viral tweet from FDA?
Why did you so make the hoof joke? Were you fully aware that ivermectin is for humans but just wanted to mislead on behalf of big pharma? Or were you ignorant and really thought ivermectin was only for veterinary use? Please clarify.
Thanks. Humor was all I intended, not some deep discussion of horses and Ivermectin.Cal88 said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:From this discussion, you'd think Ivermectin was only for humans. In reality, the vast majority of it's usage in the US is for horses, cattle, pigs, sheep and goats. As I recall, the unprescribed usage of Ivermectin for Covid was from veterinary grade Ivermectin that wasn't intended for human use. That's likely what FDA was trying to prevent. It does say "Using the Drug Ivermectin to treat COVID-19 can be dangerous and even lethal. The FDA has not approved the drug for that purpose.". People trying to treat themselves stand a good chance of overdosing, so it wasn't safe. That's why the references to people not being horses or cows. It wasn't to suggest it's not for humans, just that it wasn't approved for treating Covid in humansZippergate said:
It's not just some obscure 2.5 year-old tweet. It was a major news story that went viral. The FDA disgraced itself in order to discourage people from using a drug that was gaining attention worldwide as an effective treatment for Covid. I find it strange that you read this board yet are unaware of the controversy. Now that you know, do you think this viral tweet was a reasonable communication from the FDA?
Funny how you, bear2034 and Oski007 are outraged while movielover, who I was joking about, hasn't said a word. I knew you all were a humorless bunch, but I didn't think you were this humorless.
The only reason ivermectin is dangerous is that it has been banned or restricted, so people using horse paste IVM or even in pill form don't have a proper dosage guidance (the pills often come in small and nonstandard doses) . IVM is very safe when following the proper posology, but can become toxic in high doses. The FDA is being hypocritical here, as IVM would not be dangerous if they didn't ban it.
PS: I did think your post with the hoof was pretty funny.
I have seen at least 150 times when movielover didn't "man up" and stand behind his post when I or someone else questioned it, so I don't see the need to do so for him now. As for the rest of you that charged to his rescue, I haven't forgotten the times I've been ridiculed even when I wasn't involved in the discussion. I feel no need to jump up and boogie when you say "Dance!"TheFiatLux said:But why the hoof joke? You didn't answer that. Man up. Have a spine and stand behind what you post.Eastern Oregon Bear said:<Yawn>oski003 said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:You were wrong. Nice work finding a 2.5 year old tweet that says something I didn't say. I don't believe I've ever seen that tweet before. If so, I certainly don't remember it. That's not surprising because I spend close to zero time on social media. If not for my work duties and what gets posted here, it probably would be zero. I know that must be shocking to someone like you who must spend hours per day finding things to post here.Zippergate said:Here's the lie...Eastern Oregon Bear said:Where did I say Ivermectin is a drug for horses?Zippergate said:
So you are going to trust the people who conned you into believing that ivermectin is a drug for horses. Got it.You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y'all. Stop it. https://t.co/TWb75xYEY4
— U.S. FDA (@US_FDA) August 21, 2021
And here's you perpetuating the lie...
"This was after the doctor asked how many doses your friend needed and he stamped his hoof on the floor 30 times. "
Or was I wrong to assume that the hoof reference was to this viral tweet from FDA?
Why did you so make the hoof joke? Were you fully aware that ivermectin is for humans but just wanted to mislead on behalf of big pharma? Or were you ignorant and really thought ivermectin was only for veterinary use? Please clarify.
So you just acknowledge you lied about the hoof joke. There's a certain character in that, so I'll give you that.Eastern Oregon Bear said:I have seen at least 150 times when movielover didn't "man up" and stand behind his post when I or someone else questioned it, so I don't see the need to do so for him now. As for the rest of you that charged to his rescue, I haven't forgotten the times I've been ridiculed even when I wasn't involved in the discussion. I feel no need to jump up and boogie when you say "Dance!"TheFiatLux said:But why the hoof joke? You didn't answer that. Man up. Have a spine and stand behind what you post.Eastern Oregon Bear said:<Yawn>oski003 said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:You were wrong. Nice work finding a 2.5 year old tweet that says something I didn't say. I don't believe I've ever seen that tweet before. If so, I certainly don't remember it. That's not surprising because I spend close to zero time on social media. If not for my work duties and what gets posted here, it probably would be zero. I know that must be shocking to someone like you who must spend hours per day finding things to post here.Zippergate said:Here's the lie...Eastern Oregon Bear said:Where did I say Ivermectin is a drug for horses?Zippergate said:
So you are going to trust the people who conned you into believing that ivermectin is a drug for horses. Got it.You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y'all. Stop it. https://t.co/TWb75xYEY4
— U.S. FDA (@US_FDA) August 21, 2021
And here's you perpetuating the lie...
"This was after the doctor asked how many doses your friend needed and he stamped his hoof on the floor 30 times. "
Or was I wrong to assume that the hoof reference was to this viral tweet from FDA?
Why did you so make the hoof joke? Were you fully aware that ivermectin is for humans but just wanted to mislead on behalf of big pharma? Or were you ignorant and really thought ivermectin was only for veterinary use? Please clarify.
I'm not sure I understand where I lied, but if it makes you feel better, I'm glad I could help.TheFiatLux said:So you just acknowledge you lied about the hoof joke. There's a certain character in that, so I'll give you that.Eastern Oregon Bear said:I have seen at least 150 times when movielover didn't "man up" and stand behind his post when I or someone else questioned it, so I don't see the need to do so for him now. As for the rest of you that charged to his rescue, I haven't forgotten the times I've been ridiculed even when I wasn't involved in the discussion. I feel no need to jump up and boogie when you say "Dance!"TheFiatLux said:But why the hoof joke? You didn't answer that. Man up. Have a spine and stand behind what you post.Eastern Oregon Bear said:<Yawn>oski003 said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:You were wrong. Nice work finding a 2.5 year old tweet that says something I didn't say. I don't believe I've ever seen that tweet before. If so, I certainly don't remember it. That's not surprising because I spend close to zero time on social media. If not for my work duties and what gets posted here, it probably would be zero. I know that must be shocking to someone like you who must spend hours per day finding things to post here.Zippergate said:Here's the lie...Eastern Oregon Bear said:Where did I say Ivermectin is a drug for horses?Zippergate said:
So you are going to trust the people who conned you into believing that ivermectin is a drug for horses. Got it.You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y'all. Stop it. https://t.co/TWb75xYEY4
— U.S. FDA (@US_FDA) August 21, 2021
And here's you perpetuating the lie...
"This was after the doctor asked how many doses your friend needed and he stamped his hoof on the floor 30 times. "
Or was I wrong to assume that the hoof reference was to this viral tweet from FDA?
Why did you so make the hoof joke? Were you fully aware that ivermectin is for humans but just wanted to mislead on behalf of big pharma? Or were you ignorant and really thought ivermectin was only for veterinary use? Please clarify.
bearister said:
Yet another study shows little benefit for ivermectin with COVID-19 | CIDRAP
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/yet-another-study-shows-little-benefit-ivermectin-covid-19
"Overall, these findings, while evidencing a small benefit in symptom duration, do not support the use of ivermectin as treatment for COVID-19."
Zippergate said:
Here's a thought experiment. What if Trump won the 2020 election and like Biden went all in on the Covid vaccines that he loves to take credit for to this day. Everything else remains the same. What would be the reaction from the Left to the vaccine mandates, ivermectin, lockdowns, etc? I think some would be whistling a very different tune.