Vaccine Redux - Vax up and go to Class

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In reply to bearister • 10:13a, 10/24/24
Because I have a 20+ year relationship with my doctor and have found him to be exemplary in every way. I also understand that my doctor is part of a large health organization that aggressively pushes the Covid vaccines to this day. I don't doubt that he has received heat for his vaccine uptake rate.

Have you received the latest booster? How about all your family members? Would you want your children/grandchildren to receive the latest jabs according to CDC guidelines?

You ignored my comment about Vioxx. Why did it take The System 100,000 heart attacks to recognize the fact that Vioxx was dangerous, especially when it was known to a FDA whistleblower before it was even approved? What does that tell you about the FDA, medical advisory bodies and the nation's doctors?
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In reply to Zippergate • 2:55p, 10/24/24
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Because I have a 20+ year relationship with my doctor and have found him to be exemplary in every way. I also understand that my doctor is part of a large health organization that aggressively pushes the Covid vaccines to this day. I don't doubt that he has received heat for his vaccine uptake rate.

Have you received the latest booster? How about all your family members? Would you want your children/grandchildren to receive the latest jabs according to CDC guidelines?

You ignored my comment about Vioxx. Why did it take The System 100,000 heart attacks to recognize the fact that Vioxx was dangerous, especially when it was known to a FDA whistleblower before it was even approved? What does that tell you about the FDA, medical advisory bodies and the nation's doctors?


Yeah, I'm vaxxed up. More pr@icks in me than a Porsche. My kids are in their 30's and call their own shots (pun intended). I doubt they are current.

Why do you keep posting your anti vax comments? It has a vibe like you want to impress on us that you are the smartest guy in the room and the rest of us are little more than compliant chumps.

I can't figure out any other
motive because no one here is arguing with you other than me occasionally on general principle (as Vincent Vega would say). Your side has already achieved its goal:

1. Only 22% of people in U.S. are updated on their COVID vax;

2. I brought my sister to a Stanford Medical clinic branch in Danville, which has a lot of Conservatives. A large sign on the door said masks are MANDATORY (Furd is one of the few Medical Centers with this policy). My sister and I put our masks on and went in. In the 45 minutes I was in the waiting room, I witnessed at least 4 seniors (averaging 30-50 pounds overweight) enter and never put masks on. One woman looked at the employee at the desk and sarcastically said, "Oh, are masks a thing again?" The employee said, "Only if you want to." She said that because the tRumpers turn into 10 year olds and have temper tantrums if you ask them to comply.

What I would have said is, "Do you trust and respect Stanford Medical Center and is that why you come here? If you don't want to comply with Stanford's mask rules then get the f@uck outa here and waddle your fat @$$ back to Kaiser or John Muir or the Urgent Care clinic or wherever the f you came from."

3. 6 ex BART employees just tattooed BART for $6M with an assist by a Federal Court jury because they got fired for refusing to get the COVID vaccine on religious grounds (at least you haven't raised that sketch argument). There goes BART's budget. They won't be able to afford to pay train operators $300K per year, it will have to go back to gluing fake security cameras in the trains and they won't be able to terminate the homeless subleasing trains as sleeping quarters.

The anti vaxxers won. I will go back into remission and you can go back to "owing the Libs" in this thread.

On my way out a couple of articles that disagree with you. Maybe the possibility exists the authors are not stupid or corrupt.

The role and influence of perceived experts in an anti-vaccine misinformation community - PMC


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10398812/

COVID-19 vaccine refusal is driven by deliberate ignorance and cognitive distortions | npj Vaccines


https://www.nature.com/articles/s41541-024-00951-8

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In reply to bearister • 3:25p, 10/24/24
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Zippergate said:
Because I have a 20+ year relationship with my doctor and have found him to be exemplary in every way. I also understand that my doctor is part of a large health organization that aggressively pushes the Covid vaccines to this day. I don't doubt that he has received heat for his vaccine uptake rate.

Have you received the latest booster? How about all your family members? Would you want your children/grandchildren to receive the latest jabs according to CDC guidelines?

You ignored my comment about Vioxx. Why did it take The System 100,000 heart attacks to recognize the fact that Vioxx was dangerous, especially when it was known to a FDA whistleblower before it was even approved? What does that tell you about the FDA, medical advisory bodies and the nation's doctors?


Yeah, I'm vaxxed up. More pr@icks in me than a Porsche. My kids are in their 30's and call their own shots (pun intended). I doubt they are current.

Why do you keep posting your anti vax comments? It has a vibe like you want to impress on us that you are the smartest guy in the room and the rest of us are little more than compliant chumps.
I can't figure out any other motive because no one here is arguing with you other than me occassionally on general principle (as Vincent Vega would say). Your side has already achieved its goal:

1. Only 22% of people in U.S. are update on their COVID vax;

2. I brought my sister to a Stanford Medical clinic branch in Danville, which has a lot of Conservatives. A large sign on the door said masks are MANDATORY (Furd is on of the few Medical Centers with this policy). My sister and I put our masks on and went in. In the 45 minutes I was in the waiting room I witnessed at least 4 seniors (averaging 30-50 pounds overweight) enter and never put masks on. On woman looked at the employing at the desk and sarcastically said, "Oh, are masks a thing again?" The employee said, "Only if you want to." She said that because the tRumpers turn into 10 year olds if you ask them to comply.

What I would have said, "Do you trust and respect Stanford Medical Center and is that why you come here?" If you don't want to comply with Stanford's mask rules then get the f@uck outa here and waddle your fat @$$ back to Kaiser or John Muir or Urgent Care clinic or wherever the f you came from."

3. 6 ex BART employees just tattooed BART for $6M by Federal Court jury because they got fired for refusing to get the COVID vaccine on religious background (at least you haven't raised that sketch argument). There goes BART's budget. They won't be able to afford to pay train operator's $300K per year, it will have to go back to gluing fake security cameras in the trains and they won't be able to terminate the homeless subleasing trains as sleeping quarters.

The anti vaxxers won. I will go back into remission and you can go back to "owing the Libs" on this thread.

On my way out a couple of articles that disagree with you. Maybe the possibility exists the authors are not stupid or corrupt.

The role and influence of perceived experts in an anti-vaccine misinformation community - PMC


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10398812/

COVID-19 vaccine refusal is driven by deliberate ignorance and cognitive distortions | npj Vaccines


https://www.nature.com/articles/s41541-024-00951-8

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How have the anti-vaxxers won?
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In reply to oski003 • 3:27p, 10/24/24
I proof read and edited my post since you quoted me.
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In reply to bearister • 3:52p, 10/24/24
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I proof read and edited my post since you quoted me.


Ok. How have the anti-vaxxers won?
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In reply to Cal88 • 4:29p, 10/24/24
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:
Zippergate said:
Simple question for you, SMH.
Did the young Israeli posterboy for the Covid vaccines die of cardiac arrest or not?
If he did, it's not proof that it was due to the Covid vaccine. News stories say he nearly drowned at the time and had to be resuscitated. I suspect that had a lot to do with his death.

As for the boy from Argentina, he died from bilateral pneumonia. I had bilateral pneumonia as a kid. Was that due to the then non-existent Covid vaccine?

8 year-old boys don't drown in bathtubs. He nearly drowned in his bathtub because he had a heart attack in the bath. That is also why he ended up dying later on, after having been rescued from drowning.
I saw a statement that 1 in 8 children will faint at some point during their childhood. It could well be that the 8 year old fainted, dropped below the water level and was drowning which led to a cardiac arrest. I have no proof, but it's plausible.

I note your silence about the Argentinian boy that died from double pneumonia.
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In reply to Zippergate • 4:40p, 10/24/24
Zippergate said:
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
Zippergate said:
Simple question for you, SMH.
Did the young Israeli posterboy for the Covid vaccines die of cardiac arrest or not?
If he did, it's not proof that it was due to the Covid vaccine. News stories say he nearly drowned at the time and had to be resuscitated. I suspect that had a lot to do with his death.

As for the boy from Argentina, he died from bilateral pneumonia. I had bilateral pneumonia as a kid. Was that due to the then non-existent Covid vaccine?
No, it's not proof and neither the article nor I claimed that it was. But don't you find it the least bit suspicious that an 8-year-old boy went into cardiac arrest? How often did that happen prior to Covid?
So if it's not proof that Covid causes a wide variety of deaths, why do you search out and repost dozens of stories about people dying? It certainly seems like you're implying that the Covid vaccine causes all these deaths. Yet you're admitting it's not proof. Why spend all the time and energy? What is your point?

By the way, you use heart attack and cardiac arrest interchangeably. They aren't synonyms.
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In reply to bearister • 6:19p, 10/24/24
At least you are consistent butI have no idea why anyone would get vaxxed at this point when all the evidence points to the conclusions don't work and even have negative efficacy.

I read a lot on many different topics and sift through even more. I don't search out these articles and I only post a fraction of the things I come across. It is my opinion that tens of thousands of American lives, many of them young with trivial risk from Covid, were lost to the Covid vaccines. Millions have been injured. Many were forced to take vaccines that they didn't want and that pisses me off. That scares me about the future. If you are not convinced, hey, it's a free country (kinda, sorta, at least for now) and you're free to think or post whatever you like. All I've seen from you is appeals to authority. You don't make any attempt to engage with the evidence and make blanket judgments insinuating anti-vaxx is a conservative conspiracy even though much of the troubling data coming in about the vaccines is from abroad. Is MAGA an international phenomenon?

I get tired of the mask nazis on both sides of the debate. The dirty, ill-fitting surgical masks that most people wear do nothing to prevent the spread of aerosolized viruses like Covid. That's what the gold standard of medical evidence says, and there are negative effects from wearing masks all day. But many of the people who make this a freedom issue don't understand the science and are obnoxious. IF masks actually did work, I would gladly wear a mask and support a requirement as well, but as it is I will wear one anyway if asked without a fuss because it's just not worth it. Life is too short. But I find your rant against the "freedom" nazis just another example of your partisan nonsense. The mask nazis are just as annoying and even less informed on the issue.

As for your claim that the anti-vaxxers won, what a bizarre take. Millions were forced to take the jab against their will based on the premise that the vaccines stopped the spread of the virus. That was a lie from the very beginning. There has been no reckoning, none of the liars and medical mal-practitioners have suffered any consequences. And Pfizer and Moderna booked tens of billions of profits. There is no crime like government-sponsored crime.

There have been many drugs pulled from the market, especially in the days before Big Pharma and Government Medical Inc were merged. Vioxx was one such deadly drug, and if it weren't for the efforts of a determined FDA whistleblower, Vioxx still might be killing Americans to this day. None of your trusted gatekeepers protected the public from this killer until there were more than 100,000 heart attack victims. With Vioxx, it wasn't to possible to protect oneself--no individual had access to that kind of data. Why do you keep dodging this question?
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In reply to Zippergate • 7:28p, 10/24/24
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……It is my opinion that tens of thousands of American lives, many of them young with trivial risk from Covid, were lost to the Covid vaccines. Millions have been injured.
I would like to read the studies that opinion is based on.


…You don't make any attempt to engage with the evidence and make blanket judgments insinuating anti-vaxx is a conservative conspiracy even though much of the troubling data coming in about the vaccines is from abroad. Is MAGA an international phenomenon?

Anti vax sentiment is tied to Right Wing politics on this board, in this country and worldwide.

Far-Right Extremists Move From 'Stop the Steal' to Stop the Vaccine - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/26/us/far-right-extremism-anti-vaccine.html

Far-right political ideology and COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy: Multilevel analysis of 21 European countries - ScienceDirect
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277953623005841

….IF masks actually did work, I would gladly wear a mask and support a requirement as well…
Masks actually do work.

Masks and respirators for prevention of respiratory infections: a state of the science review | Clinical Microbiology Reviews
https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/cmr.00124-23

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In reply to bearister • 10:32p, 10/24/24
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Zippergate said:


……It is my opinion that tens of thousands of American lives, many of them young with trivial risk from Covid, were lost to the Covid vaccines. Millions have been injured.
I would like to read the studies that opinion is based on.


…You don't make any attempt to engage with the evidence and make blanket judgments insinuating anti-vaxx is a conservative conspiracy even though much of the troubling data coming in about the vaccines is from abroad. Is MAGA an international phenomenon?

Anti vax sentiment is tied to Right Wing politics on this board, in this country and worldwide.

Far-Right Extremists Move From 'Stop the Steal' to Stop the Vaccine - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/26/us/far-right-extremism-anti-vaccine.html

Far-right political ideology and COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy: Multilevel analysis of 21 European countries - ScienceDirect
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277953623005841

….IF masks actually did work, I would gladly wear a mask and support a requirement as well…
Masks actually do work.

Masks and respirators for prevention of respiratory infections: a state of the science review | Clinical Microbiology Reviews
https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/cmr.00124-23

1. None will be provided. Do your own homework. Why would I spend two seconds looking for something that you will reject without bothering to even read? And all those studies have been presented here anyway.
2. And mask nazism is definitely associated with the radical left. Except when the looters...errr, BLM protestors...were out and about destroying our cities. All of a sudden the masks became optional. Just like the vaxxes for the hordes streaming across the border. (If you can't remember that, perhaps you're suffering from vaxx-induced mental decline as documented by the Korean study)
3. If you have an actual news story from the NYT, I might be inclined to read it but I have no interest in their editorials. They Russia'd away their credibility.
4. That's hilarious. If you compare all-cause mortality in Europe versus the percentage of the population that was vaxxed, there is a positive correlation. Hesitancy doesn't kill people, poorly manufactured gene therapies masquerading as vaccines do.
5. Cochrane is the gold standard and the Cochrane meta-analysis didn't find evidence that the masks most people use provide a statistically significant benefit. But as I said, I couldn't care less. Masks didn't kill, nor did the lack of masks. There is hard data on this. Mask-mandated jurisdictions did no better than mask-optional ones.

It's clear what this is all about for you: MAGA hate. It would appear that you are so obsessed with MAGA that it taints your objectivity on every issue. It's really quite sad because traditional liberals like yourself could have rallied around RFK Jr and could still do that now. He is perhaps the only man in America with the courage, power and experience to take on the Medical Industrial Complex which has destroyed the health of the American people. And the medical authorities you blindly trust have no answers. It's tragic.

At the risk of taking this conversation way OT, what is your position on the medical transitioning of minors? Clearly YOUR peeps are all in on that travesty of pseudoscience. Do you them reject or their unscientific child mutilations? You must own one of the other, take your pick.
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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 10:51p, 10/24/24
I saw a statement that 1 in 8 children will faint at some point during their childhood. It could well be that the 8 year old fainted, dropped below the water level and was drowning which led to a cardiac arrest. I have no proof, but it's plausible.


I note your silence about the Argentinian boy that died from double pneumonia.

Did you read the freaking Thai study? The one where they did heart imaging before and after the vaccines? The one finding a very high rate of heart damage?
This boy not only had the initial vaccine series, he had at least one booster. The chance that he had at least some subclinical heart damage is far from trivial. And we know that "died suddenly" is an actual thing in the post-vaccine era. As for your fairy tale, if he merely fainted, he was still breathing and would have immediately regained consciousness as water entered his lungs causing him to cough.

And in response to your other post, I did say cardiac arrest because that is exactly what happened to the boy. As for the Argentinian boy, the link to the vaccine is far less clear, but nonetheless it is another young death. The vaccines causes literally hundreds of conditions one of which is a weakening of the immune system. Elevated all-cause mortality doesn't mean that every death is a vaxx death but the data sure seem to point to the reality that a whole lot of young people are dead that wouldn't otherwise be.
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9:03a, 10/25/24
Outstanding thread by Stanford Professor of Medicine, Jay Bhattacharya, on the new HHS report on Biden's Covid billion dollar Covid propaganda campaign.



"Probably the most important recommendation: HHS should never again adopt a policy of silencing dissenting scientists in an attempt to create an illusion of consensus in favor of CDC group think."
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In reply to Zippergate • 5:53p, 10/25/24
"taints your objectivity "

….and we all know what "taint" is, don't we?

" It's really quite sad because traditional liberals like yourself…"

Yeah, that's what Yogi called me once, a "traditional liberal."
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In reply to bearister • 5:41p, 10/27/24
I was trying to be charitable.
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5:52p, 10/27/24
CDC director Cohen is either as dumb and/or corrupt as her predecessors. This is savage.



A blog post on this topic referenced a quote in this publication co-authored by none other than American's hearthrob himself, Anthony Fauci.

https://www.cell.com/cell-host-microbe/pdf/S1931-3128(22)00572-8.pdf

"Durably protective vaccines against non-systemic mucosal respiratory viruses with high mortality rates have thus far eluded vaccine development efforts.
...
Past unsuccessful attempts to elicit solid protection against mucosal respiratory viruses and to control the deadly outbreaks and pandemics they cause have been a scientific and public health failure that must be urgently addressed."

Again, this is a direct quote from a publication from Anthony Freaking Fauci in November of 2022, clearly well after the rollout of the Covid vaccines.

Durable protection? NOPE
Control of outbreaks? NOPE
FAILURE. Try again. So naturally the CDC director doubles down on these failed vaccines.
Anti-science. Clinical insanity.
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9:16p, 10/29/24
https://open.substack.com/pub/lionessofjudah/p/unsealed-government-data-shows-devastating?r=aiop6&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Newly unsealed official government data has exposed a devastating 188 percent surge in deaths among children after the Covid mRNA "vaccines" were rolled out for public use.
The figures were revealed in official New Zealand government documents that were unsealed with a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request.
The bombshell documents reveal that the New Zealand government was aware of a 188% spike in mortality among the 12-19 age group following Covid mRNA vaccination.
The data also reveals an 83% surge in death among the 20-30 age group.
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9:59p, 10/29/24
Slay News. Nice trustworthy publication.

Frank Bergman, Author at Slay News


https://slaynews.com/author/frank-bergman/

Fact Check: Study does not say COVID vaccines may have fuelled excess deaths | Reuters


https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/study-does-not-say-covid-vaccines-may-have-fuelled-excess-deaths-2024-06-13/
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In reply to bearister • 9:41a, 10/30/24
How are those Hunter Biden laptop fact checks and Covid lab leak debunking fact checks working out?
Speaking of lab leaks, how is Fauci not on trial?

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9:45a, 10/30/24
Make a mistake, don't double down, pivot. It's the right thing to do.

'Tucker Carlson told Jimmy Dore that he used to make fun of people who believe vaccines cause autism. He now describes his behavior doing so as "unthinking, stupid, and reactionary."'

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9:50a, 10/30/24


Marik is not a crackpot
https://fpea.com/person/paul-marik

Lame factcheck in 3..2..1..
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In reply to Zippergate • 10:35a, 10/30/24
Facts are truth. They are verifiable.


Why do right wing nut jobs hate the truth?
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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10:56a, 10/30/24
The one thing that I've heard about the abundance of cancer in the western countries and mostly the US is the link to glucose and more importantly high insulin in folks. Insulin is primarily a growth hormone and extra amounts of insulin particularly due to our diets and secondarily due to lack of exercise cause cancers to grow more easily. There are obviously a lot of other factors but I wouldn't easily dismiss any of them. I haven't kept up with the vaccines link. But I have focused for quite some time on my blood sugar and insulin levels.
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In reply to 82gradDLSdad • 2:48p, 10/30/24
82gradDLSdad said:
The one thing that I've heard about the abundance of cancer in the western countries and mostly the US is the link to glucose and more importantly high insulin in folks. Insulin is primarily a growth hormone and extra amounts of insulin particularly due to our diets and secondarily due to lack of exercise cause cancers to grow more easily. There are obviously a lot of other factors but I wouldn't easily dismiss any of them. I haven't kept up with the vaccines link. But I have focused for quite some time on my blood sugar and insulin levels.

It's not the sugar, consumption hasn't drastically increased. It is roughly the same today as it was in the 1920s.




Could be a number of things, less food being prepared at home from scratch/more processed foods, GMOs, high-fructose corn syrup, seed oils (and food fried with them) as opposed to butter/tallow or maybe environmental pollutants.
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In reply to Cal88 • 3:11p, 10/30/24
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82gradDLSdad said:
The one thing that I've heard about the abundance of cancer in the western countries and mostly the US is the link to glucose and more importantly high insulin in folks. Insulin is primarily a growth hormone and extra amounts of insulin particularly due to our diets and secondarily due to lack of exercise cause cancers to grow more easily. There are obviously a lot of other factors but I wouldn't easily dismiss any of them. I haven't kept up with the vaccines link. But I have focused for quite some time on my blood sugar and insulin levels.

It's not the sugar, consumption hasn't drastically increased. It is roughly the same today as it was in the 1920s.




Could be a number of things, less food being prepared at home from scratch/more processed foods, GMOs, high-fructose corn syrup, seed oils (and food fried with them) as opposed to butter/tallow or maybe environmental pollutants.

Seems surprising that US sugar intake levels have decreased the past 20 or so years, doesn't it? Sugar seems to be becoming more and more embedded in foods that most Americans buy. So how to explain it?

- switch from "regular" soft drinks to "diet"?
- change in tastes from sugary snacks to salty?
- a change in measurement methods?
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In reply to Zippergate • 4:01p, 10/30/24
Zippergate said:
How are those Hunter Biden laptop fact checks and Covid lab leak debunking fact checks working out?
Speaking of lab leaks, how is Fauci not on trial?



The MAGAs put on a dog and pony show and spent millions of taxpayer money on their investigation involving Fauci. MTG and James Comer said Fauci should be criminally prosecuted and imprisoned.

If tRump wins, Bring it! See how far fantasy allegations go in court where facts and evidence reign supreme. See if MAGA gets a unanimous jury verdict to convict. When he gets acquitted or a hung jury, then tRump can suspend Fauci's Sixth Amendment rights, try him in front of a tRump appointed military tribunal, convict him and execute him by firing squad.

Do you want to know where you should put your money? Wager that a jury would convict tRump for his criminal negligence in f@ucking up the initial public health response to the pandemic. God save us if that quarter wit wins and the nation faces a significant health crisis. I'm sure RFK Jr, tRump's Guru of All Things Health, will save us with a cocktail of Steroids, Human Growth Hormone and vitamins.

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In reply to Cal88 • 4:49p, 10/30/24
Cal88 said:
82gradDLSdad said:
The one thing that I've heard about the abundance of cancer in the western countries and mostly the US is the link to glucose and more importantly high insulin in folks. Insulin is primarily a growth hormone and extra amounts of insulin particularly due to our diets and secondarily due to lack of exercise cause cancers to grow more easily. There are obviously a lot of other factors but I wouldn't easily dismiss any of them. I haven't kept up with the vaccines link. But I have focused for quite some time on my blood sugar and insulin levels.

It's not the sugar, consumption hasn't drastically increased. It is roughly the same today as it was in the 1920s.




Could be a number of things, less food being prepared at home from scratch/more processed foods, GMOs, high-fructose corn syrup, seed oils (and food fried with them) as opposed to butter/tallow or maybe environmental pollutants.
If you are not counting high fructose corn syrup that's sugar. Many, many simple carbs breakdown similarly to sugar. Bottom line, any substance that continually spikes insulin is keeping the body in a growth cycle. That didn't happen before modern foods and it doesn't even happen in a few countries today. I should have been more clear.
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In reply to 82gradDLSdad • 4:51p, 10/30/24
82gradDLSdad said:
Cal88 said:
82gradDLSdad said:
The one thing that I've heard about the abundance of cancer in the western countries and mostly the US is the link to glucose and more importantly high insulin in folks. Insulin is primarily a growth hormone and extra amounts of insulin particularly due to our diets and secondarily due to lack of exercise cause cancers to grow more easily. There are obviously a lot of other factors but I wouldn't easily dismiss any of them. I haven't kept up with the vaccines link. But I have focused for quite some time on my blood sugar and insulin levels.

It's not the sugar, consumption hasn't drastically increased. It is roughly the same today as it was in the 1920s.




Could be a number of things, less food being prepared at home from scratch/more processed foods, GMOs, high-fructose corn syrup, seed oils (and food fried with them) as opposed to butter/tallow or maybe environmental pollutants.
If you are not counting high fructose corn syrup that's sugar. Many, many simple carbs breakdown similarly to sugar. Bottom line, any substance that continually spikes insulin is keeping the body in a growth cycle. That didn't happen before modern foods and it doesn't even happen in a few countries today. I should have been more clear.
And with that said there are things one can do to minimize the insulin spike: fiber, exercise after meals, etc. The insulin is one of the big keys. You listed the others too
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In reply to 82gradDLSdad • 8:37p, 10/30/24
And with that said there are things one can do to minimize the insulin spike: fiber, exercise after meals, etc. The insulin is one of the big keys. You listed the others too

Cal88's list is a good one. I'm with you, controlling the insulin response seems to be important for a whole host of reasons including cancer. I doubt, however, that it has anything to do with the spike in cancer since the claim is that it is a very recent phenomenon. Numerous mechanisms have been identified for how the vaccines may be causing cancer:
DNA fragment contamination (a magnitude higher than the European legal limit)
immune suppression (VAIDS)
suppression P53 gene which limits the spread of cancer
production of IgG4 antibodies which promote cancer
N1-methyl-pseudouridine

If there is an increase in the frequency and aggressiveness of cancer, we need to know about it and get these damn vaccines off the market, off the vaccine schedule, out of the food supply, etc.
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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 1:58p, 10/31/24
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Zippergate said:
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
Zippergate said:
Simple question for you, SMH.
Did the young Israeli posterboy for the Covid vaccines die of cardiac arrest or not?
If he did, it's not proof that it was due to the Covid vaccine. News stories say he nearly drowned at the time and had to be resuscitated. I suspect that had a lot to do with his death.

As for the boy from Argentina, he died from bilateral pneumonia. I had bilateral pneumonia as a kid. Was that due to the then non-existent Covid vaccine?
No, it's not proof and neither the article nor I claimed that it was. But don't you find it the least bit suspicious that an 8-year-old boy went into cardiac arrest? How often did that happen prior to Covid?
So if it's not proof that Covid causes a wide variety of deaths, why do you search out and repost dozens of stories about people dying? It certainly seems like you're implying that the Covid vaccine causes all these deaths. Yet you're admitting it's not proof. Why spend all the time and energy? What is your point?

By the way, you use heart attack and cardiac arrest interchangeably. They aren't synonyms.


So what caused the 400,000 excess non-Covid deaths per year that insurance actuarials have identified?

That all correlate to the newfangled, not a vaccine, vaccine?

And what are the ghastly, white, fibrous bodies coroner's around the world are pulling out of vaxxed corpses veins?
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Cal88 said:
82gradDLSdad said:
The one thing that I've heard about the abundance of cancer in the western countries and mostly the US is the link to glucose and more importantly high insulin in folks. Insulin is primarily a growth hormone and extra amounts of insulin particularly due to our diets and secondarily due to lack of exercise cause cancers to grow more easily. There are obviously a lot of other factors but I wouldn't easily dismiss any of them. I haven't kept up with the vaccines link. But I have focused for quite some time on my blood sugar and insulin levels.

It's not the sugar, consumption hasn't drastically increased. It is roughly the same today as it was in the 1920s.




Could be a number of things, less food being prepared at home from scratch/more processed foods, GMOs, high-fructose corn syrup, seed oils (and food fried with them) as opposed to butter/tallow or maybe environmental pollutants.

Seems surprising that US sugar intake levels have decreased the past 20 or so years, doesn't it? Sugar seems to be becoming more and more embedded in foods that most Americans buy. So how to explain it?

- switch from "regular" soft drinks to "diet"?
- change in tastes from sugary snacks to salty?
- a change in measurement methods?


Change from sugar to pseudo sugar?

Do they track high fructose corn syrup, aka #1 food substance at the Dollar outlets and snack isles.
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Big C said:
Cal88 said:
82gradDLSdad said:
The one thing that I've heard about the abundance of cancer in the western countries and mostly the US is the link to glucose and more importantly high insulin in folks. Insulin is primarily a growth hormone and extra amounts of insulin particularly due to our diets and secondarily due to lack of exercise cause cancers to grow more easily. There are obviously a lot of other factors but I wouldn't easily dismiss any of them. I haven't kept up with the vaccines link. But I have focused for quite some time on my blood sugar and insulin levels.

It's not the sugar, consumption hasn't drastically increased. It is roughly the same today as it was in the 1920s.




Could be a number of things, less food being prepared at home from scratch/more processed foods, GMOs, high-fructose corn syrup, seed oils (and food fried with them) as opposed to butter/tallow or maybe environmental pollutants.

Seems surprising that US sugar intake levels have decreased the past 20 or so years, doesn't it? Sugar seems to be becoming more and more embedded in foods that most Americans buy. So how to explain it?

- switch from "regular" soft drinks to "diet"?
- change in tastes from sugary snacks to salty?
- a change in measurement methods?


Change from sugar to pseudo sugar?

Do they track high fructose corn syrup, aka #1 food substance at the Dollar outlets and snack isles.
If they don't lump high fructose corn syrup (other types of non sugar sugar) in with sugar consumption that's as bad as not prosecuting certain crimes anymore and saying crime has gone down.
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In reply to movielover • 5:55p, 10/31/24
movielover said:
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
Zippergate said:
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
Zippergate said:
Simple question for you, SMH.
Did the young Israeli posterboy for the Covid vaccines die of cardiac arrest or not?
If he did, it's not proof that it was due to the Covid vaccine. News stories say he nearly drowned at the time and had to be resuscitated. I suspect that had a lot to do with his death.

As for the boy from Argentina, he died from bilateral pneumonia. I had bilateral pneumonia as a kid. Was that due to the then non-existent Covid vaccine?
No, it's not proof and neither the article nor I claimed that it was. But don't you find it the least bit suspicious that an 8-year-old boy went into cardiac arrest? How often did that happen prior to Covid?
So if it's not proof that Covid causes a wide variety of deaths, why do you search out and repost dozens of stories about people dying? It certainly seems like you're implying that the Covid vaccine causes all these deaths. Yet you're admitting it's not proof. Why spend all the time and energy? What is your point?

By the way, you use heart attack and cardiac arrest interchangeably. They aren't synonyms.


So what caused the 400,000 excess non-Covid deaths per year that insurance actuarials have identified?

That all correlate to the newfangled, not a vaccine, vaccine?

And what are the ghastly, white, fibrous bodies coroner's around the world are pulling out of vaxxed corpses veins?

How about all the delayed medical appointments for non-COVID issues? People stayed home.
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In reply to Big C • 6:02p, 10/31/24
This whole thread will be moot if tRump wins and RFK Jr. is installed as the Guru of All Things Health. All the alphabet agencies will get blown up and we will all be on a regimen of HGH and be given vouchers for tantric sex seminars.

*What percentage of his brain ya figure the worm ate?
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