Who received Covid vaccines in 2020? By mid-2021 when most young people were receiving the vaccines, a large percentage had already had Covid. Even if many were unsymptomatic, an antibody test would have been sufficient to opt them out. That would have been the scientific thing to do. But then, Covid policy had nothing to do with science.
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We didn't know what ADHD was for a long time. My dad lived during a time of Polio. It's been eradicated. I got measles as a kid. It's effectively eradicated. My son got all the vaccines and was diagnosed with ADHD…but I can now spend 5 minutes with my dad and say with 100% certainty he has ADHD.Zippergate said:
Reagan used to say "Trust, but verify." After Covid, the trust is gone. Without verification, that is, without credible data, I'm not going to accept the conclusions of the medical authorities just because of their training and position. Has RFK Jr banned any of the vaccines? He says that NONE of the vaccines are supported by long-term RCT and that we need more data. Even Fauci and Plotkin have admitted this. It's a fact, look it up. People like me are skeptical and want to opt out because the authorities have not nearly enough to dispel our concerns. I don't understand why people like you are so anti-science.
For the record, my children received every vaccine on the schedule up until Covid. If I had it to do over again, that wouldn't be the case. My older son experienced sudden onset of ADHD in the third grade and it makes me wonder.
Eastern Oregon Bear said:Who had natural immunity to Covid in 2020?Cal88 said:oski003 said:
Most vaccines are generally safe and effective and their benefits far outweigh their costs.
The problem though is that the true costs are not properly accounted for, and in many cases like for the mRNA vaccines, their benefits are grossly exaggerated, especially for the population that has already acquired natural immunity.
By 2022-23 the overwhelming majority of young people who already were at low risk for covid to start with had developed natural immunity, yet more than 600 colleges still had vaccine mandates requiring even those who had two shots to get "boosted". Schools like John Hopkins and Cal State only lifted their mandates last academic year. To this date there are still dozens of colleges requiring their students to be vaccinated.
This is not "science", it's criminal stupidity.
This is not "science", it's criminal stupidity.
Agree with everything except this. I don't think it's stupidity. The policy makers involved knew and they still know; it's just that they are too cowardly and greedy to stick their necks out and do the right thing. The banality of evil in a much truer sense than the original usage of the phrase imo.
Agree with everything except this. I don't think it's stupidity. The policy makers involved knew and they still know; it's just that they are too cowardly and greedy to stick their necks out and do the right thing. The banality of evil in a much truer sense than the original usage of the phrase imo.
Most of these bureaucrats were true believers who were still subject to mass formation psychosis, as defined by Belgian psychology prof Mattias Desmet. It only wore off when the cultural zeitgeist eventually changed and these policymakers became outliers instead of the commissars put in position to save society.
This is the most penetrating and insightful analysis of the social phenomenon of covid, condensed in 5 minutes by Prof. Desmet:
This is the most penetrating and insightful analysis of the social phenomenon of covid, condensed in 5 minutes by Prof. Desmet:
If you guys or a family member gets really sick from a disease, where do you seek treatment? It can't from UCSF, Stanford or the Mayo Clinic because all those institutions are in the pocket of Big Pharma and lied to the American public about the effectiveness and safety of the Covid vaccine….or do they only lie about some things but tell the truth about others?
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bearister said:
If you guys or a family member gets really sick from a disease, where do you seek treatment? It can't from UCSF, Stanford or the Mayo Clinic because all those institutions are in the pocket of Big Pharma and lied to the American public about the effectiveness and safety of the Covid vaccine….or do they only lie about some things but tell the truth about others?
The Biden administration, FDA, NIH, and CDC were the main drivers of covid policy, and all were substantially controlled by big pharma. That doesn't hold true for all maladies.
So why did people catch Covid multiple times if they acquired natural immunity after the first time? I had Covid three times myself. The symptoms were at about the same level of severity each time.Pocahontas Says Yes said:People who caught it and recovered. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the workings of the human immune system.Eastern Oregon Bear said:Who had natural immunity to Covid in 2020?Cal88 said:oski003 said:
Most vaccines are generally safe and effective and their benefits far outweigh their costs.
The problem though is that the true costs are not properly accounted for, and in many cases like for the mRNA vaccines, their benefits are grossly exaggerated, especially for the population that has already acquired natural immunity.
You were more likely to catch covid again if you were vaccinated, because the jab narrows down the body's range of immunity response, and also because the vaccine strain is often a mutation cycle or two behind the latest strain.
I would guess you had about 4 jabs total?
I would guess you had about 4 jabs total?
This is the best dose-response curve I've ever seen from a pharmacokinetic standpoint. Across all lineages, the more shots and boosters you've had, the more likely you are to catch #COVID.
— Chris Martenson (@chrismartenson) February 13, 2025
Full discussion: https://t.co/j7Ycb6nKWS pic.twitter.com/AQEraasOii
How ?
— Craig Kelly - Libertarian for NSW Senate (@craigkellyXXX) November 15, 2023
It’s called Negative efficacy.
If you follow the science and listen to real experts you’ll see that the more shots you’ve had, the more likely you are to have Covid.
And the real experts believe it’s because the jabs weaken your immune system. https://t.co/ISzHgSkCDl pic.twitter.com/QLltV05LvP
If you've been vaccinated for COVID, here's some news:
— BDW (@BryanDeanWright) December 19, 2022
You are 2x / 3x more likely to get infected with COVID than someone who's unvaccinated with natural immunity.
That's a finding from a study of 260K+ people in Indiana, out last Wednesday. pic.twitter.com/StGFc19SZc
This is the CDC’s OWN data showing vaccinated and boosted people were MORE likely to be hospitalized with the new Omicron variant than unvaccinated people.
— Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) September 13, 2023
MORE. https://t.co/O7ZOK9mUuM pic.twitter.com/NeNUG7m5gb
More recently vaccinated more likely to get long covid than those less recently vaccinated.
— Dr Clare Craig (@ClareCraigPath) November 19, 2022
(No unvaccinated control group included).https://t.co/BlOjfyq8dJ pic.twitter.com/Luqe6pOfPu
Richard Urso, MD: A 700,000 person study in Israel showed that double vaccinated people are 27 times more likely to get covid…pic.twitter.com/26YsN1dUb8
— Ben Owen (@hrkbenowen) January 24, 2023
Maybe. There is little reason to trust that is true. We know for sure that there is more fraud and hidden harms with vaccines than other medical products. We just do not know how much. How about we try to find out?oski003 said:
Most vaccines are generally safe and effective and their benefits far outweigh their costs.
We know medical fraud exists. We have built in multiple layers of checks on fraud and bad science. Many of these checks on fraud and bad science are purposefully excluded when it comes to vaccines. So, you should trust what UCSF, Stanford, and the Mayo Clinic say about vaccines much less than what they say about other medical treatments. Very basic reasoning skills here.bearister said:
If you guys or a family member gets really sick from a disease, where do you seek treatment? It can't from UCSF, Stanford or the Mayo Clinic because all those institutions are in the pocket of Big Pharma and lied to the American public about the effectiveness and safety of the Covid vaccine….or do they only lie about some things but tell the truth about others?
wc22 said:We know medical fraud exists. We have built in multiple layers of checks on fraud and bad science. Many of these checks on fraud and bad science are purposefully excluded when it comes to vaccines. So, you should trust what UCSF, Stanford, and the Mayo Clinic say about vaccines much less than what they say about other medical treatments. Very basic reasoning skills here.bearister said:
If you guys or a family member gets really sick from a disease, where do you seek treatment? It can't from UCSF, Stanford or the Mayo Clinic because all those institutions are in the pocket of Big Pharma and lied to the American public about the effectiveness and safety of the Covid vaccine….or do they only lie about some things but tell the truth about others?
So those institutions have two lists. On one list is stuff they lie about* and on the other is stuff they are honest about. Will they let us see the lists? Do they give it away when they lie with body language?
*All you rocket scientists here had all the studies that proved the Covid vaccine was harming us and was not effective, so UCSF, Stanford and the Mayo Clinic knew about those highly accurate studies too yet they lied to us and deliberately gave us bad medical advice by telling us to get vaxxed and boosted…..but we are supposed to trust them with other medical issues?
Does Dr. Hip still run the Free Clinic in the Haight?
Not everyone has the intellectual capacity to have your highly developed reasoning skills.
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AAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!Cal88 said:
You were more likely to catch covid again if you were vaccinated, because the jab narrows down the body's range of immunity response, and also because the vaccine strain is often a mutation cycle or two behind the latest strain.
I would guess you had about 4 jabs total?This is the best dose-response curve I've ever seen from a pharmacokinetic standpoint. Across all lineages, the more shots and boosters you've had, the more likely you are to catch #COVID.
— Chris Martenson (@chrismartenson) February 13, 2025
Full discussion: https://t.co/j7Ycb6nKWS pic.twitter.com/AQEraasOiiHow ?
— Craig Kelly - Libertarian for NSW Senate (@craigkellyXXX) November 15, 2023
It’s called Negative efficacy.
If you follow the science and listen to real experts you’ll see that the more shots you’ve had, the more likely you are to have Covid.
And the real experts believe it’s because the jabs weaken your immune system. https://t.co/ISzHgSkCDl pic.twitter.com/QLltV05LvPIf you've been vaccinated for COVID, here's some news:
— BDW (@BryanDeanWright) December 19, 2022
You are 2x / 3x more likely to get infected with COVID than someone who's unvaccinated with natural immunity.
That's a finding from a study of 260K+ people in Indiana, out last Wednesday. pic.twitter.com/StGFc19SZcThis is the CDC’s OWN data showing vaccinated and boosted people were MORE likely to be hospitalized with the new Omicron variant than unvaccinated people.
— Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) September 13, 2023
MORE. https://t.co/O7ZOK9mUuM pic.twitter.com/NeNUG7m5gbMore recently vaccinated more likely to get long covid than those less recently vaccinated.
— Dr Clare Craig (@ClareCraigPath) November 19, 2022
(No unvaccinated control group included).https://t.co/BlOjfyq8dJ pic.twitter.com/Luqe6pOfPuRichard Urso, MD: A 700,000 person study in Israel showed that double vaccinated people are 27 times more likely to get covid…pic.twitter.com/26YsN1dUb8
— Ben Owen (@hrkbenowen) January 24, 2023
Giant tsunami of tweets incoming!!!!!
Must duck...
Cant see...
Can't breathe...
Getting faint.....
Is this the end of m
Isolation and masks weakend our immune systems.
I don't know how to make it any simpler for you. "Consensus" opinions on vaccines should hold less weight than opinions on other medical treatments to any rational person. You are deliberately being irrational and creating Elementatry School level strawmen: "so they have two lists?" lol.bearister said:wc22 said:We know medical fraud exists. We have built in multiple layers of checks on fraud and bad science. Many of these checks on fraud and bad science are purposefully excluded when it comes to vaccines. So, you should trust what UCSF, Stanford, and the Mayo Clinic say about vaccines much less than what they say about other medical treatments. Very basic reasoning skills here.bearister said:
If you guys or a family member gets really sick from a disease, where do you seek treatment? It can't from UCSF, Stanford or the Mayo Clinic because all those institutions are in the pocket of Big Pharma and lied to the American public about the effectiveness and safety of the Covid vaccine….or do they only lie about some things but tell the truth about others?
So those institutions have two lists. On one list is stuff they lie about* and on the other is stuff they are honest about. Will they let us see the lists? Do they give it away when they lie with body language?
*All you rocket scientists here had all the studies that proved the Covid vaccine was harming us and was not effective, so UCSF, Stanford and the Mayo Clinic knew about those highly accurate studies too yet they lied to us and deliberately gave us bad medical advice by telling us to get vaxxed and boosted…..but we are supposed to trust them with other medical issues?
Does Dr. Hip still run the Free Clinic in the Haight?
Not everyone has the intellectual capacity to have your highly developed reasoning skills.
Let me spell it out for you: I look to them for medical advice, not Substack, RFK Jr., or Dr. Ladapo.
Why not give it a rest? You guys won. No one is getting vaxxed for anything anymore, and Bobby, the Misinformation Czar, is driving the bus. You have ground the face of woke and DEI into the cobblestones and you have transsexuals on the run. You are in serious danger of running out of unconquered grievances.
"Elementatry School level strawmen: "so they have two lists?" lol."
You have a very advanced sense of humor with a highly refined sarcasm detector.
Why not give it a rest? You guys won. No one is getting vaxxed for anything anymore, and Bobby, the Misinformation Czar, is driving the bus. You have ground the face of woke and DEI into the cobblestones and you have transsexuals on the run. You are in serious danger of running out of unconquered grievances.
"Elementatry School level strawmen: "so they have two lists?" lol."
You have a very advanced sense of humor with a highly refined sarcasm detector.
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I agree with you that there are many in the system who probably succumbed to this mass psychosis phenomenon. There was a senate hearing where Fauci, the head of the CDC, etc were asked what the vaccination rate was at their institutions and the reply IIRC was a little over 50%; some were drinking the kook-aid. But it's curious that the rate was much lower than for the general population, and even more telling, there were no mandates at these institutions. This was at a time when college students, the military, large corporations etc were strictly enforcing the mandates.
But even if many were swept up by group think, there were also many in the system who knew exactly what they were doing. They conspired within their vast networks of NGOs, government bureaucrats, industry executives, etc and they took deliberate action to perpetuate the narrative knowing full well that public health would be harmed. Here are three examples which involve multiple government agencies, NGOs, medical journals and associations; they were all complicit. Calling it a conspiracy now is not a wild-eyed speculation, it's the most reasonable conclusion one can draw from all the evidence.
https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/ivermectin-and-the-price-of-life/article_3e1a2e14-5c70-11ec-b6f4-2b146e98a0b5.html
https://merylnass.substack.com/p/asked-by-chds-defender-to-comment
https://ahrp.org/how-a-false-hydroxychloroquine-narrative-was-created/
But even if many were swept up by group think, there were also many in the system who knew exactly what they were doing. They conspired within their vast networks of NGOs, government bureaucrats, industry executives, etc and they took deliberate action to perpetuate the narrative knowing full well that public health would be harmed. Here are three examples which involve multiple government agencies, NGOs, medical journals and associations; they were all complicit. Calling it a conspiracy now is not a wild-eyed speculation, it's the most reasonable conclusion one can draw from all the evidence.
https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/ivermectin-and-the-price-of-life/article_3e1a2e14-5c70-11ec-b6f4-2b146e98a0b5.html
https://merylnass.substack.com/p/asked-by-chds-defender-to-comment
https://ahrp.org/how-a-false-hydroxychloroquine-narrative-was-created/
Yeah, who would trust a guy on substack over the CDC or FDA. Just crazy.
https://www.aussie17.com/p/scientists-shocked-worlds-first-peer
There's a nice video by Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, Stanford MD Phd and current NIH director, on the problems with the mRNA platform and it is beyond devastating.
Anyway, here's a snip from the article:
'The DNA contamination story started more than two years ago: Pfizer and Moderna's mRNA jabs were tainted with bacterial plasmid DNA. I first reported it back on March 23 when Kevin McKernan dropped the bombshell on his Substack in early 2023. Yep, while the mainstream snoozed, McKernan was out there waving the red flag, and nowsurprise, surprisethe peer-reviewed proof finally caught up. Better late than never, I guess.
Back then, it was just substack articles which later evolved into pre-prints which medical journals didn't want to print in fear of offending their pharma overlordsso no solid proof.
But this paper changes the game. It's peer-reviewed and undeniable. Dr. Raszek lays it out: "We finally have itthe very first published scientific evidence showing that the mRNA vaccine, Pfizer vaccines, were contaminated with bacterial plasmid DNA and specifically also showing that these plasmids did indeed have the SV40 enhancement promoter region." That SV40 part? He calls it "extremely dangerous." '
https://www.aussie17.com/p/scientists-shocked-worlds-first-peer
There's a nice video by Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, Stanford MD Phd and current NIH director, on the problems with the mRNA platform and it is beyond devastating.
Anyway, here's a snip from the article:
'The DNA contamination story started more than two years ago: Pfizer and Moderna's mRNA jabs were tainted with bacterial plasmid DNA. I first reported it back on March 23 when Kevin McKernan dropped the bombshell on his Substack in early 2023. Yep, while the mainstream snoozed, McKernan was out there waving the red flag, and nowsurprise, surprisethe peer-reviewed proof finally caught up. Better late than never, I guess.
Back then, it was just substack articles which later evolved into pre-prints which medical journals didn't want to print in fear of offending their pharma overlordsso no solid proof.
But this paper changes the game. It's peer-reviewed and undeniable. Dr. Raszek lays it out: "We finally have itthe very first published scientific evidence showing that the mRNA vaccine, Pfizer vaccines, were contaminated with bacterial plasmid DNA and specifically also showing that these plasmids did indeed have the SV40 enhancement promoter region." That SV40 part? He calls it "extremely dangerous." '
Another day, another substack about a peer-reviewed paper. But I'm sure our medical authorities would be sounding the alarm if there was anything to be worried about.
https://open.substack.com/pub/alexberenson/p/urgent-mrna-covid-jabs-change-genetic?r=aiop6&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false
mRNA vaccination causes long-term changes in a crucial part of our chromosomes changes previously linked to inflammatory and autoimmune diseases and cancers including leukemia and brain tumors.
The finding came in a peer-reviewed paper from German researchers last week. The discovery might help explain post-mRNA jab "inflammatory diseases which occur in… [some] vaccinated individuals," the researchers wrote.
In a discussion with outside reviewers that was published along with the paper, the researchers suggested the changes they found are "very likely" occurring in bone marrow cells, the source of all blood cells. Their finding comes as other researchers report rising deaths from leukemia - a blood cancer - in very highly vaccinated Japan.
(much more in the article)
https://open.substack.com/pub/alexberenson/p/urgent-mrna-covid-jabs-change-genetic?r=aiop6&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false
mRNA vaccination causes long-term changes in a crucial part of our chromosomes changes previously linked to inflammatory and autoimmune diseases and cancers including leukemia and brain tumors.
The finding came in a peer-reviewed paper from German researchers last week. The discovery might help explain post-mRNA jab "inflammatory diseases which occur in… [some] vaccinated individuals," the researchers wrote.
In a discussion with outside reviewers that was published along with the paper, the researchers suggested the changes they found are "very likely" occurring in bone marrow cells, the source of all blood cells. Their finding comes as other researchers report rising deaths from leukemia - a blood cancer - in very highly vaccinated Japan.
(much more in the article)
DOGE: It always struck me as odd that the person tasked with determining whether or not Dr. Fauci's gain of function research in China was 'ethical' was his wife Christine Grady who was head of the NIH Office of Bioethics. Did she approve the Beagle testing too? FWIW - she's been… pic.twitter.com/kgnddQrI4n
— @amuse (@amuse) April 2, 2025
movielover said:DOGE: It always struck me as odd that the person tasked with determining whether or not Dr. Fauci's gain of function research in China was 'ethical' was his wife Christine Grady who was head of the NIH Office of Bioethics. Did she approve the Beagle testing too? FWIW - she's been… pic.twitter.com/kgnddQrI4n
— @amuse (@amuse) April 2, 2025
+1000 .
Covid jan mandates are still mandatory in many parts for many requirements, looking forward to RFK stopping these criminal practices.
Fantastic interview.
RFK Jr. just got done visiting the second child to die of measles and told his followers the best way to stop the spread is the MMR vaccine. The top replies to his post show he’s totally lost control of the bus: pic.twitter.com/f7DvZpK1e7
— Isaac Saul (@Ike_Saul) April 6, 2025
"RFK Jr. just got done visiting the second child to die of measles and told his followers the best way to stop the spread is the MMR vaccine."
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Not to mention the fact that the first child did not die from the measles. But hey, never let the facts get in the way of good propaganda.
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Not to mention the fact that the first child did not die from the measles. But hey, never let the facts get in the way of good propaganda.
The post does not say RFK is directly responsible for the measles outbreak. It is an illustration of how his kind of anti-vaccine rhetoric gets applied to vaccines in general, even when he tries to say the "regular" vaccines are still good. People don't digest nuance.
So we shouldn't publicly acknowledge the problems with the bad vaccines so that we don't discourage people from getting the good vaccines?
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So we shouldn't publicly acknowledge the problems with the bad vaccines so that we don't discourage people from getting the good vaccines?
When it's all you talk about, people start to get weird ideas.
Zippergate said:
So we shouldn't publicly acknowledge the problems with the bad vaccines so that we don't discourage people from getting the good vaccines?
Tucker Carlson recently interviewed a doctor who is a vaxx skeptic and ended up treating 6,000 people with Covid.
She's from Houston Medical, they tried to take her license. Of the 6,000 she treated, ZERO died.
The worm turns even more.
The Pfizer COVID-19 “vaccine” injected into billions of arms was not the same one used in Pfizer’s clinical trials.
— The Vigilant Fox 🦊 (@VigilantFox) April 6, 2025
There was a "bait and switch." The clinical trials tested "Process 1" while the public received "Process 2."
And what they never told you is that "Process 2" was… pic.twitter.com/ZJg3thb7JC
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"RFK Jr. just got done visiting the second child to die of measles and told his followers the best way to stop the spread is the MMR vaccine."
This ain't Bobby's first Measles Rodeo.
RFK Jr. misled the US Senate on measles deaths, Samoa's health chief says | AP News
https://apnews.com/article/rfk-jr-samoa-measles-kennedy-vaccines-pacific-42a9cb583c71f165699b16710884c474
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Bret is turning on RFK Jr. for being in favor of the measles vaccine https://t.co/NueKZ7Nk4p
— Jesse Singal (@jessesingal) April 7, 2025
No mention of vaccine-strain measles. Fake news. Vaccine propaganda.
This is the best explanation I've seen of what happened in Samoa, an article I've posted previously.
https://open.substack.com/pub/marcellapiperterry/p/what-really-happened-in-samoa-in?r=aiop6&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false
This is the best explanation I've seen of what happened in Samoa, an article I've posted previously.
https://open.substack.com/pub/marcellapiperterry/p/what-really-happened-in-samoa-in?r=aiop6&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false
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No mention of vaccine-strain measles. Fake news. Vaccine propaganda.
This is the best explanation I've seen of what happened in Samoa, an article I've posted previously.
https://open.substack.com/pub/marcellapiperterry/p/what-really-happened-in-samoa-in?r=aiop6&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false
You call sources that disagree with yours "fake news" and "propaganda."
I'm not a doctor so I am not competent to call your sources those names.
I can find very little on your cited author: Marcella Piper Terry:
Who is Marcella Piper-Terry? - by Marcella Piper-Terry
https://marcellapiperterry.substack.com/p/who-is-marcella-piper-terry
Marcella Piper-Terry - Science Feedback
https://science.feedback.org/reviewed-content-author/marcella-piper-terry/
My position is simple: I'm not going to look to people like Marcella Piper Terry or RFK Jr for medical advice. If I was handling a case involving an issue within their area of expertise, I would not retain either of them as my expert witness.
Maybe they will end up being correct and someday the only people left on earth will be cockroaches and vaccine skeptics.
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