DiabloWags said:

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los altos bear said:

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We have long since reached a point where any adult who wants to be vaccinated is now vaccinated.

And if you're vaccinated, you've nothing meaningful to worry about. The chance you'll get the virus from a vaccinated or unvaccinated person are minimal- and the chances you'll be hospitalized are infinitesimal.

Accordingly, and on the other hand, if you choose not to get vaccinated you're only putting yourself, and other unvaccinated people, at any meaningful risk.

There are many reasons to get vaccinated (I am)… and there are also reasons not to get vaccinated (eg you've already had Covid and now have natural immunities, or you're a young/healthy person where the vaccine might do more harm than good, etc)

So, there's no rational reason to care whether anyone else is vaccinated. And so there's no reason for government mandates.

And if you believe that we should mandate vaccines to manage down hospitalizations and health care costs, then you should also be for banning cigarettes, alcohol, ice cream, and a 25mph speed limit on all roads…

It really should be up to each individual to make the decision that is best for them. "My body, my choice" applies more - much more- in this context than in the context it's most used in…

Although I wouldn't have made the same decision, I applaud Rolovich for sticking to his guns. A selfish decision? Hardly. He's forfeited a lot of coin. It's easy to fight a fight when there are no personal costs. Far more difficult when the costs are your livelihood…

It was quite ridiculous that Rolovich was terminated. Best of luck to him and the many others who have been forced out of their jobs by overreaching authoritarians.

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Sadly, your claims are terribly false on so many levels that its downright scary where you get your information. The most glaring is your ignorance regarding "breakthrough" infections with moderately to severely immunocompromised people.

And you couldnt be more wrong about Covid giving you natural immunities enough for prevention of re-infection, especially when it comes to variants like Delta; where the vaccine is much more effective. In fact, data has shown that vaccinated individuals have about half the risk of experiencing a "breakthrough" infection as do naturally immune individuals.

Comparing SARS-CoV-2 Natural Immunity to Vaccine-Induced Immunity: Reinfections versus Breakthrough Infections | NCRC (jhsph.edu)

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DiabloWags said:

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BearForce2 said:

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NVBear78 said:

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I am personally in favor of the vaccine but at the same time understand that many individuals and groups have questions about it. I don't find the commentary of the "pro vaxers" to be very tolerant or understanding....they actually sound much more shrill and demanding.

I find it interesting that the same people who demand everyone take a vaccine don't want to tell others not to abuse marijuana and drugs-which do great harm to society.

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Also, based on the vitriol here, we may only be a step away in this country where citizens report on their coworkers, neighbors, and own family members on vaccination status or anything else the current government may be interested in knowing.

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You mean like in TEXAS?

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Here’s nearly 3 minutes of Democrats irresponsibly casting doubt about the vaccines last year. pic.twitter.com/xsPzWXDhVo

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) August 3, 2021

los altos bear said:

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You say, "your claims are terribly false on so many levels that it's downright scary where you get your information."

Really? "Terribly false" "on so many levels" "downright scary" ...

So, do you always cast such hyperbolic aspersions to start a dialogue?

You must be quite a joy at the Thanksgiving dinner table ...

In any event, I'm not sure where you're going with any of your statements.

The point is, once you get vaccinated you shouldn't care what anyone else does.

Again, I got vaccinated. But there are many people who choose not to get vaccinated. I couldn't care less what their reasons are. I was not arguing as to the veracity of any of those reasons …again, I couldn't care less ...

Why don't I care? Because once you get a vaccination the likelihood that you'll get Covid is remote and the likelihood that you'll be hospitalized is infinitesimal.

Nevertheless, I do wish that more adults would get vaccinated - but again, it's their choice based on their reasons no matter how sound or specious…

In any event, I go about my life not thinking about - and not caring - whether anyone else is vaccinated. I choose not to stay bunkered down in my basement, wearing a mask or two while driving solo in my car, or wagging my finger at people for not being vaccinated.

Finally, my doctor recommended that I get a flu shot as the flu now poses a greater danger to me than covid. So, should we mandate that everyone get flu shots too? … I did get the flu shot, but if you don't get one, I don't care ...

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive." CS Lewis

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Rushinbear said:

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los altos bear said:

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You say, "your claims are terribly false on so many levels that it's downright scary where you get your information."

Really? "Terribly false" "on so many levels" "downright scary" ...

So, do you always cast such hyperbolic aspersions to start a dialogue?

You must be quite a joy at the Thanksgiving dinner table ...

In any event, I'm not sure where you're going with any of your statements.

The point is, once you get vaccinated you shouldn't care what anyone else does.

Again, I got vaccinated. But there are many people who choose not to get vaccinated. I couldn't care less what their reasons are. I was not arguing as to the veracity of any of those reasons …again, I couldn't care less ...

Why don't I care? Because once you get a vaccination the likelihood that you'll get Covid is remote and the likelihood that you'll be hospitalized is infinitesimal.

Nevertheless, I do wish that more adults would get vaccinated - but again, it's their choice based on their reasons no matter how sound or specious…

In any event, I go about my life not thinking about - and not caring - whether anyone else is vaccinated. I choose not to stay bunkered down in my basement, wearing a mask or two while driving solo in my car, or wagging my finger at people for not being vaccinated.

Finally, my doctor recommended that I get a flu shot as the flu now poses a greater danger to me than covid. So, should we mandate that everyone get flu shots too? … I did get the flu shot, but if you don't get one, I don't care ...

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive." CS Lewis

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I am being asked to be responsible for everyone else, so that they don't have to be responsible for themselves.

I'll just look out for myself and take the consequences and others can look out for themselves and take the consequences of their actions or inactions. Their choice. Thank you very much.

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juarezbear said:

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Rushinbear said:

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los altos bear said:

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You say, "your claims are terribly false on so many levels that it's downright scary where you get your information."

Really? "Terribly false" "on so many levels" "downright scary" ...

So, do you always cast such hyperbolic aspersions to start a dialogue?

You must be quite a joy at the Thanksgiving dinner table ...

In any event, I'm not sure where you're going with any of your statements.

The point is, once you get vaccinated you shouldn't care what anyone else does.

Again, I got vaccinated. But there are many people who choose not to get vaccinated. I couldn't care less what their reasons are. I was not arguing as to the veracity of any of those reasons …again, I couldn't care less ...

Why don't I care? Because once you get a vaccination the likelihood that you'll get Covid is remote and the likelihood that you'll be hospitalized is infinitesimal.

Nevertheless, I do wish that more adults would get vaccinated - but again, it's their choice based on their reasons no matter how sound or specious…

In any event, I go about my life not thinking about - and not caring - whether anyone else is vaccinated. I choose not to stay bunkered down in my basement, wearing a mask or two while driving solo in my car, or wagging my finger at people for not being vaccinated.

Finally, my doctor recommended that I get a flu shot as the flu now poses a greater danger to me than covid. So, should we mandate that everyone get flu shots too? … I did get the flu shot, but if you don't get one, I don't care ...

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive." CS Lewis

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I am being asked to be responsible for everyone else, so that they don't have to be responsible for themselves.

I'll just look out for myself and take the consequences and others can look out for themselves and take the consequences of their actions or inactions. Their choice. Thank you very much.

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Rushinbear makes the cogent point in the argument. Those in the minority who choose to stay on the sidelines (both literal and figurative) are riding on the backs of the majority, who've gone ahead with the jab - regardless of the outcome. This is why I have no patience for those in affluent areas like Marin County or Santa Monica that have high non-COVID unvaccinated rates for school-aged kids. I'm taking a leap here, but I would also find it highly ironic that COVID non-vaxers stand on the "My Body, My Choice" ground but I'm willing to bet that for many of those folks, that doesn't extend to a woman's choice……and yes, I had to go there….

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Rushinbear said:

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juarezbear said:

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Rushinbear said:

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los altos bear said:

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You say, "your claims are terribly false on so many levels that it's downright scary where you get your information."

Really? "Terribly false" "on so many levels" "downright scary" ...

So, do you always cast such hyperbolic aspersions to start a dialogue?

You must be quite a joy at the Thanksgiving dinner table ...

In any event, I'm not sure where you're going with any of your statements.

The point is, once you get vaccinated you shouldn't care what anyone else does.

Again, I got vaccinated. But there are many people who choose not to get vaccinated. I couldn't care less what their reasons are. I was not arguing as to the veracity of any of those reasons …again, I couldn't care less ...

Why don't I care? Because once you get a vaccination the likelihood that you'll get Covid is remote and the likelihood that you'll be hospitalized is infinitesimal.

Nevertheless, I do wish that more adults would get vaccinated - but again, it's their choice based on their reasons no matter how sound or specious…

In any event, I go about my life not thinking about - and not caring - whether anyone else is vaccinated. I choose not to stay bunkered down in my basement, wearing a mask or two while driving solo in my car, or wagging my finger at people for not being vaccinated.

Finally, my doctor recommended that I get a flu shot as the flu now poses a greater danger to me than covid. So, should we mandate that everyone get flu shots too? … I did get the flu shot, but if you don't get one, I don't care ...

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive." CS Lewis

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I am being asked to be responsible for everyone else, so that they don't have to be responsible for themselves.

I'll just look out for myself and take the consequences and others can look out for themselves and take the consequences of their actions or inactions. Their choice. Thank you very much.

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Rushinbear makes the cogent point in the argument. Those in the minority who choose to stay on the sidelines (both literal and figurative) are riding on the backs of the majority, who've gone ahead with the jab - regardless of the outcome. This is why I have no patience for those in affluent areas like Marin County or Santa Monica that have high non-COVID unvaccinated rates for school-aged kids. I'm taking a leap here, but I would also find it highly ironic that COVID non-vaxers stand on the "My Body, My Choice" ground but I'm willing to bet that for many of those folks, that doesn't extend to a woman's choice……and yes, I had to go there….

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You do realize that we're talking about a tiny fraction of people get COVID and an infinitesimal fraction die from it. I'm tired of hearing the lament that if even one person dies (from anything), we must change society and spend trillions to prevent it…..

And, now, I'll go somewhere you probably know is coming. Is it a sheer coincidence that the COVID outbreak became the pretext for allowing people to vote from home and the mail--in balloting (not absentee) that enabled it? As Rahm Emmanuel (I think it was) said, "Never let a crisis go to waste."

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bearister said:

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Rushinbear said:

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juarezbear said:

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Rushinbear said:

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los altos bear said:

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You say, "your claims are terribly false on so many levels that it's downright scary where you get your information."

Really? "Terribly false" "on so many levels" "downright scary" ...

So, do you always cast such hyperbolic aspersions to start a dialogue?

You must be quite a joy at the Thanksgiving dinner table ...

In any event, I'm not sure where you're going with any of your statements.

The point is, once you get vaccinated you shouldn't care what anyone else does.

Again, I got vaccinated. But there are many people who choose not to get vaccinated. I couldn't care less what their reasons are. I was not arguing as to the veracity of any of those reasons …again, I couldn't care less ...

Why don't I care? Because once you get a vaccination the likelihood that you'll get Covid is remote and the likelihood that you'll be hospitalized is infinitesimal.

Nevertheless, I do wish that more adults would get vaccinated - but again, it's their choice based on their reasons no matter how sound or specious…

In any event, I go about my life not thinking about - and not caring - whether anyone else is vaccinated. I choose not to stay bunkered down in my basement, wearing a mask or two while driving solo in my car, or wagging my finger at people for not being vaccinated.

Finally, my doctor recommended that I get a flu shot as the flu now poses a greater danger to me than covid. So, should we mandate that everyone get flu shots too? … I did get the flu shot, but if you don't get one, I don't care ...

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive." CS Lewis

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I am being asked to be responsible for everyone else, so that they don't have to be responsible for themselves.

I'll just look out for myself and take the consequences and others can look out for themselves and take the consequences of their actions or inactions. Their choice. Thank you very much.

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Rushinbear makes the cogent point in the argument. Those in the minority who choose to stay on the sidelines (both literal and figurative) are riding on the backs of the majority, who've gone ahead with the jab - regardless of the outcome. This is why I have no patience for those in affluent areas like Marin County or Santa Monica that have high non-COVID unvaccinated rates for school-aged kids. I'm taking a leap here, but I would also find it highly ironic that COVID non-vaxers stand on the "My Body, My Choice" ground but I'm willing to bet that for many of those folks, that doesn't extend to a woman's choice……and yes, I had to go there….

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You do realize that we're talking about a tiny fraction of people get COVID and an infinitesimal fraction die from it. I'm tired of hearing the lament that if even one person dies (from anything), we must change society and spend trillions to prevent it…..

And, now, I'll go somewhere you probably know is coming. Is it a sheer coincidence that the COVID outbreak became the pretext for allowing people to vote from home and the mail--in balloting (not absentee) that enabled it? As Rahm Emmanuel (I think it was) said, "Never let a crisis go to waste."

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Covid death toll in U.S.: 735,000
Covid Worldwide: 5,000,000


Do US Democrats really benefit from mail-in voting?


https://www.dw.com/en/us-election-mail-in-voting-biden-trump/a-55433216

" In a remarkable show of near-unanimity across the nation's judiciary, at least 86 judges ranging from jurists serving at the lowest levels of state court systems to members of the United States Supreme Court rejected at least one post-election lawsuit filed by Trump or his supporters, a Washington Post review of court filings found.

The string of losses was punctuated Friday by the brief and blunt order of the Supreme Court, which dismissed an attempt by the state of Texas to thwart the electoral votes of four states that went for President-elect Joe Biden." Washington Post, 12/22/20

Sen. Lindsey Graham on Senate floor , January 6, 2021:

"They said there's 66,000 people in Georgia under 18 voted. How many people believe that? I ask, 'Give me ten,' and they had one. They said 8000 felons in prison in Arizona voted. 'Give me 10.' I hadn't gotten one." Peril, Bob Woodward and Robert Costa, at pp. 257-258.

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Rushinbear said:

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bearister said:

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Rushinbear said:

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juarezbear said:

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Rushinbear said:

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los altos bear said:

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You say, "your claims are terribly false on so many levels that it's downright scary where you get your information."

Really? "Terribly false" "on so many levels" "downright scary" ...

So, do you always cast such hyperbolic aspersions to start a dialogue?

You must be quite a joy at the Thanksgiving dinner table ...

In any event, I'm not sure where you're going with any of your statements.

The point is, once you get vaccinated you shouldn't care what anyone else does.

Again, I got vaccinated. But there are many people who choose not to get vaccinated. I couldn't care less what their reasons are. I was not arguing as to the veracity of any of those reasons …again, I couldn't care less ...

Why don't I care? Because once you get a vaccination the likelihood that you'll get Covid is remote and the likelihood that you'll be hospitalized is infinitesimal.

Nevertheless, I do wish that more adults would get vaccinated - but again, it's their choice based on their reasons no matter how sound or specious…

In any event, I go about my life not thinking about - and not caring - whether anyone else is vaccinated. I choose not to stay bunkered down in my basement, wearing a mask or two while driving solo in my car, or wagging my finger at people for not being vaccinated.

Finally, my doctor recommended that I get a flu shot as the flu now poses a greater danger to me than covid. So, should we mandate that everyone get flu shots too? … I did get the flu shot, but if you don't get one, I don't care ...

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive." CS Lewis

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I am being asked to be responsible for everyone else, so that they don't have to be responsible for themselves.

I'll just look out for myself and take the consequences and others can look out for themselves and take the consequences of their actions or inactions. Their choice. Thank you very much.

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Rushinbear makes the cogent point in the argument. Those in the minority who choose to stay on the sidelines (both literal and figurative) are riding on the backs of the majority, who've gone ahead with the jab - regardless of the outcome. This is why I have no patience for those in affluent areas like Marin County or Santa Monica that have high non-COVID unvaccinated rates for school-aged kids. I'm taking a leap here, but I would also find it highly ironic that COVID non-vaxers stand on the "My Body, My Choice" ground but I'm willing to bet that for many of those folks, that doesn't extend to a woman's choice……and yes, I had to go there….

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You do realize that we're talking about a tiny fraction of people get COVID and an infinitesimal fraction die from it. I'm tired of hearing the lament that if even one person dies (from anything), we must change society and spend trillions to prevent it…..

And, now, I'll go somewhere you probably know is coming. Is it a sheer coincidence that the COVID outbreak became the pretext for allowing people to vote from home and the mail--in balloting (not absentee) that enabled it? As Rahm Emmanuel (I think it was) said, "Never let a crisis go to waste."

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Covid death toll in U.S.: 735,000
Covid Worldwide: 5,000,000


Do US Democrats really benefit from mail-in voting?


https://www.dw.com/en/us-election-mail-in-voting-biden-trump/a-55433216

" In a remarkable show of near-unanimity across the nation's judiciary, at least 86 judges ranging from jurists serving at the lowest levels of state court systems to members of the United States Supreme Court rejected at least one post-election lawsuit filed by Trump or his supporters, a Washington Post review of court filings found.

The string of losses was punctuated Friday by the brief and blunt order of the Supreme Court, which dismissed an attempt by the state of Texas to thwart the electoral votes of four states that went for President-elect Joe Biden." Washington Post, 12/22/20

Sen. Lindsey Graham on Senate floor , January 6, 2021:

"They said there's 66,000 people in Georgia under 18 voted. How many people believe that? I ask, 'Give me ten,' and they had one. They said 8000 felons in prison in Arizona voted. 'Give me 10.' I hadn't gotten one." Peril, Bob Woodward and Robert Costa, at pp. 257-258.

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I don't want to make a big stink about election cheating, but there persist what seem to be hundreds of videos and sworn affidavits of obvious cheating. Plus, there are numerous convictions of voter fraud in various states. It's been hard to get them out of my head or to just dismiss them as inconsequential. These examples far exceed the ones that have shown up after prior elections. These latest reports have been dismissed as being too few to have changed the outcome, anyway, but we don't know that - it's just rhetorical defensiveness. There is no doubt in my mind that mail-in voting made it a snap to engage in election fraud.

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BearForce2 said:

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Rushinbear said:

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bearister said:

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Rushinbear said:

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juarezbear said:

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Rushinbear said:

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los altos bear said:

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You say, "your claims are terribly false on so many levels that it's downright scary where you get your information."

Really? "Terribly false" "on so many levels" "downright scary" ...

So, do you always cast such hyperbolic aspersions to start a dialogue?

You must be quite a joy at the Thanksgiving dinner table ...

In any event, I'm not sure where you're going with any of your statements.

The point is, once you get vaccinated you shouldn't care what anyone else does.

Again, I got vaccinated. But there are many people who choose not to get vaccinated. I couldn't care less what their reasons are. I was not arguing as to the veracity of any of those reasons …again, I couldn't care less ...

Why don't I care? Because once you get a vaccination the likelihood that you'll get Covid is remote and the likelihood that you'll be hospitalized is infinitesimal.

Nevertheless, I do wish that more adults would get vaccinated - but again, it's their choice based on their reasons no matter how sound or specious…

In any event, I go about my life not thinking about - and not caring - whether anyone else is vaccinated. I choose not to stay bunkered down in my basement, wearing a mask or two while driving solo in my car, or wagging my finger at people for not being vaccinated.

Finally, my doctor recommended that I get a flu shot as the flu now poses a greater danger to me than covid. So, should we mandate that everyone get flu shots too? … I did get the flu shot, but if you don't get one, I don't care ...

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive." CS Lewis

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I am being asked to be responsible for everyone else, so that they don't have to be responsible for themselves.

I'll just look out for myself and take the consequences and others can look out for themselves and take the consequences of their actions or inactions. Their choice. Thank you very much.

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Rushinbear makes the cogent point in the argument. Those in the minority who choose to stay on the sidelines (both literal and figurative) are riding on the backs of the majority, who've gone ahead with the jab - regardless of the outcome. This is why I have no patience for those in affluent areas like Marin County or Santa Monica that have high non-COVID unvaccinated rates for school-aged kids. I'm taking a leap here, but I would also find it highly ironic that COVID non-vaxers stand on the "My Body, My Choice" ground but I'm willing to bet that for many of those folks, that doesn't extend to a woman's choice……and yes, I had to go there….

---

You do realize that we're talking about a tiny fraction of people get COVID and an infinitesimal fraction die from it. I'm tired of hearing the lament that if even one person dies (from anything), we must change society and spend trillions to prevent it…..

And, now, I'll go somewhere you probably know is coming. Is it a sheer coincidence that the COVID outbreak became the pretext for allowing people to vote from home and the mail--in balloting (not absentee) that enabled it? As Rahm Emmanuel (I think it was) said, "Never let a crisis go to waste."

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Covid death toll in U.S.: 735,000
Covid Worldwide: 5,000,000


Do US Democrats really benefit from mail-in voting?


https://www.dw.com/en/us-election-mail-in-voting-biden-trump/a-55433216

" In a remarkable show of near-unanimity across the nation's judiciary, at least 86 judges ranging from jurists serving at the lowest levels of state court systems to members of the United States Supreme Court rejected at least one post-election lawsuit filed by Trump or his supporters, a Washington Post review of court filings found.

The string of losses was punctuated Friday by the brief and blunt order of the Supreme Court, which dismissed an attempt by the state of Texas to thwart the electoral votes of four states that went for President-elect Joe Biden." Washington Post, 12/22/20

Sen. Lindsey Graham on Senate floor , January 6, 2021:

"They said there's 66,000 people in Georgia under 18 voted. How many people believe that? I ask, 'Give me ten,' and they had one. They said 8000 felons in prison in Arizona voted. 'Give me 10.' I hadn't gotten one." Peril, Bob Woodward and Robert Costa, at pp. 257-258.

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I don't want to make a big stink about election cheating, but there persist what seem to be hundreds of videos and sworn affidavits of obvious cheating. Plus, there are numerous convictions of voter fraud in various states. It's been hard to get them out of my head or to just dismiss them as inconsequential. These examples far exceed the ones that have shown up after prior elections. These latest reports have been dismissed as being too few to have changed the outcome, anyway, but we don't know that - it's just rhetorical defensiveness. There is no doubt in my mind that mail-in voting made it a snap to engage in election fraud.

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He has already conceded on the OT board that the Dems cheated which showed they play to win and will do whatever it takes. I agree, the Dems are more organized and more united but their actions incurred a cost and they will have to pay for it sooner or later.

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bearister said:

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" He has already conceded on the OT board that the Dems cheated which showed they play to win and will do whatever it takes."

I believe I said words to the effect that I hope Dems did cheat because that would mean they have become ballers like Republicans…..but based on all the audits and failed court cases and pending disbarments of Rudy and Sidney Powell, it appears that the Dems were clean and are not ballers yet.

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Rushinbear said:

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bearister said:

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Rushinbear said:

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juarezbear said:

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Rushinbear said:

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los altos bear said:

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You say, "your claims are terribly false on so many levels that it's downright scary where you get your information."

Really? "Terribly false" "on so many levels" "downright scary" ...

So, do you always cast such hyperbolic aspersions to start a dialogue?

You must be quite a joy at the Thanksgiving dinner table ...

In any event, I'm not sure where you're going with any of your statements.

The point is, once you get vaccinated you shouldn't care what anyone else does.

Again, I got vaccinated. But there are many people who choose not to get vaccinated. I couldn't care less what their reasons are. I was not arguing as to the veracity of any of those reasons …again, I couldn't care less ...

Why don't I care? Because once you get a vaccination the likelihood that you'll get Covid is remote and the likelihood that you'll be hospitalized is infinitesimal.

Nevertheless, I do wish that more adults would get vaccinated - but again, it's their choice based on their reasons no matter how sound or specious…

In any event, I go about my life not thinking about - and not caring - whether anyone else is vaccinated. I choose not to stay bunkered down in my basement, wearing a mask or two while driving solo in my car, or wagging my finger at people for not being vaccinated.

Finally, my doctor recommended that I get a flu shot as the flu now poses a greater danger to me than covid. So, should we mandate that everyone get flu shots too? … I did get the flu shot, but if you don't get one, I don't care ...

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive." CS Lewis

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I am being asked to be responsible for everyone else, so that they don't have to be responsible for themselves.

I'll just look out for myself and take the consequences and others can look out for themselves and take the consequences of their actions or inactions. Their choice. Thank you very much.

---

Rushinbear makes the cogent point in the argument. Those in the minority who choose to stay on the sidelines (both literal and figurative) are riding on the backs of the majority, who've gone ahead with the jab - regardless of the outcome. This is why I have no patience for those in affluent areas like Marin County or Santa Monica that have high non-COVID unvaccinated rates for school-aged kids. I'm taking a leap here, but I would also find it highly ironic that COVID non-vaxers stand on the "My Body, My Choice" ground but I'm willing to bet that for many of those folks, that doesn't extend to a woman's choice……and yes, I had to go there….

---

You do realize that we're talking about a tiny fraction of people get COVID and an infinitesimal fraction die from it. I'm tired of hearing the lament that if even one person dies (from anything), we must change society and spend trillions to prevent it…..

And, now, I'll go somewhere you probably know is coming. Is it a sheer coincidence that the COVID outbreak became the pretext for allowing people to vote from home and the mail--in balloting (not absentee) that enabled it? As Rahm Emmanuel (I think it was) said, "Never let a crisis go to waste."

---

Covid death toll in U.S.: 735,000
Covid Worldwide: 5,000,000


Do US Democrats really benefit from mail-in voting?


https://www.dw.com/en/us-election-mail-in-voting-biden-trump/a-55433216

" In a remarkable show of near-unanimity across the nation's judiciary, at least 86 judges ranging from jurists serving at the lowest levels of state court systems to members of the United States Supreme Court rejected at least one post-election lawsuit filed by Trump or his supporters, a Washington Post review of court filings found.

The string of losses was punctuated Friday by the brief and blunt order of the Supreme Court, which dismissed an attempt by the state of Texas to thwart the electoral votes of four states that went for President-elect Joe Biden." Washington Post, 12/22/20

Sen. Lindsey Graham on Senate floor , January 6, 2021:

"They said there's 66,000 people in Georgia under 18 voted. How many people believe that? I ask, 'Give me ten,' and they had one. They said 8000 felons in prison in Arizona voted. 'Give me 10.' I hadn't gotten one." Peril, Bob Woodward and Robert Costa, at pp. 257-258.

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I don't want to make a big stink about election cheating, but there persist what seem to be hundreds of videos and sworn affidavits of obvious cheating. Plus, there are numerous convictions of voter fraud in various states. It's been hard to get them out of my head or to just dismiss them as inconsequential. These examples far exceed the ones that have shown up after prior elections. These latest reports have been dismissed as being too few to have changed the outcome, anyway, but we don't know that - it's just rhetorical defensiveness. There is no doubt in my mind that mail-in voting made it a snap to engage in election fraud.

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BearForce2 said:

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Good Morning !

Demand for forensic audits of 2020 election in all 50 states rapidly gaining support  https://t.co/zj6UKEfyYl via @JustTheNews

— Rasmussen Reports (@Rasmussen_Poll) October 25, 2021

ICYMI: 393,000 illegal registered voters in Arizona?

It's been over a month & still no coverage from legacy media of this previously unannounced large scale Arizona state testing of their registered voter database against US Social Security records with shocking results. https://t.co/73HXzQBI6E

— Rasmussen Reports (@Rasmussen_Poll) October 24, 2021

Good morning to all except for the cheaters.

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#WSU set up a meeting between Rolovich & renown immunologist to ease his concerns.

He asked if Bill Gates was involved in the vaccine.

Nothing about religious concerns. https://t.co/LLBtufgox6

— Jon Wilner (@wilnerhotline) October 27, 2021

Rushinbear said:

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You say, "your claims are terribly false on so many levels that it's downright scary where you get your information."

Really? "Terribly false" "on so many levels" "downright scary" ...

So, do you always cast such hyperbolic aspersions to start a dialogue?

You must be quite a joy at the Thanksgiving dinner table ...

In any event, I'm not sure where you're going with any of your statements.

The point is, once you get vaccinated you shouldn't care what anyone else does.

Again, I got vaccinated. But there are many people who choose not to get vaccinated. I couldn't care less what their reasons are. I was not arguing as to the veracity of any of those reasons …again, I couldn't care less ...

Why don't I care? Because once you get a vaccination the likelihood that you'll get Covid is remote and the likelihood that you'll be hospitalized is infinitesimal.

Nevertheless, I do wish that more adults would get vaccinated - but again, it's their choice based on their reasons no matter how sound or specious…

In any event, I go about my life not thinking about - and not caring - whether anyone else is vaccinated. I choose not to stay bunkered down in my basement, wearing a mask or two while driving solo in my car, or wagging my finger at people for not being vaccinated.

Finally, my doctor recommended that I get a flu shot as the flu now poses a greater danger to me than covid. So, should we mandate that everyone get flu shots too? … I did get the flu shot, but if you don't get one, I don't care ...

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive." CS Lewis

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I am being asked to be responsible for everyone else, so that they don't have to be responsible for themselves.

I'll just look out for myself and take the consequences and others can look out for themselves and take the consequences of their actions or inactions. Their choice. Thank you very much.

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Rushinbear makes the cogent point in the argument. Those in the minority who choose to stay on the sidelines (both literal and figurative) are riding on the backs of the majority, who've gone ahead with the jab - regardless of the outcome. This is why I have no patience for those in affluent areas like Marin County or Santa Monica that have high non-COVID unvaccinated rates for school-aged kids. I'm taking a leap here, but I would also find it highly ironic that COVID non-vaxers stand on the "My Body, My Choice" ground but I'm willing to bet that for many of those folks, that doesn't extend to a woman's choice……and yes, I had to go there….

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You do realize that we're talking about a tiny fraction of people get COVID and an infinitesimal fraction die from it. I'm tired of hearing the lament that if even one person dies (from anything), we must change society and spend trillions to prevent it…..

And, now, I'll go somewhere you probably know is coming. Is it a sheer coincidence that the COVID outbreak became the pretext for allowing people to vote from home and the mail--in balloting (not absentee) that enabled it? As Rahm Emmanuel (I think it was) said, "Never let a crisis go to waste."

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Covid death toll in U.S.: 735,000
Covid Worldwide: 5,000,000


Do US Democrats really benefit from mail-in voting?


https://www.dw.com/en/us-election-mail-in-voting-biden-trump/a-55433216

" In a remarkable show of near-unanimity across the nation's judiciary, at least 86 judges ranging from jurists serving at the lowest levels of state court systems to members of the United States Supreme Court rejected at least one post-election lawsuit filed by Trump or his supporters, a Washington Post review of court filings found.

The string of losses was punctuated Friday by the brief and blunt order of the Supreme Court, which dismissed an attempt by the state of Texas to thwart the electoral votes of four states that went for President-elect Joe Biden." Washington Post, 12/22/20

Sen. Lindsey Graham on Senate floor , January 6, 2021:

"They said there's 66,000 people in Georgia under 18 voted. How many people believe that? I ask, 'Give me ten,' and they had one. They said 8000 felons in prison in Arizona voted. 'Give me 10.' I hadn't gotten one." Peril, Bob Woodward and Robert Costa, at pp. 257-258.

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I don't want to make a big stink about election cheating, but there persist what seem to be hundreds of videos and sworn affidavits of obvious cheating. Plus, there are numerous convictions of voter fraud in various states. It's been hard to get them out of my head or to just dismiss them as inconsequential. These examples far exceed the ones that have shown up after prior elections. These latest reports have been dismissed as being too few to have changed the outcome, anyway, but we don't know that - it's just rhetorical defensiveness. There is no doubt in my mind that mail-in voting made it a snap to engage in election fraud.

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Trump's comments or tweets have turned off many but they have also galvanized many more. His tweets weren't the reason why he "lost" Arizona and Georgia, The audits will reveal that Trump won and won big. This isn't something you can accept now, your responses are interesting because they appear to be left wing talking points taken from CNN, in other words, propaganda supporting the Democratic party.

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