Isn't that like how all human endeavors are? It's like asking why members of a football team should work hard if other football teams don't. Ukraine is resisting Russian's invasion because they value their freedom and don't want to be subject to Russia's control. *checks notes* that doesn't seem to apply to anyone outside of Ukraine right now. I'm not saying that people shouldn't support Ukraine in their efforts but the idea that people in Ukraine are only willing to sacrifice themselves if non-Ukrainians will, seems to entirely miss the point. They should not sacrifice themselves for anyone other than themselves. Contrast that with what happened in Afghanistan where the people chose to accept Taliban domination after *checks notes* approximately 25 minutes.Anarchistbear said:Sebastabear said:Anarchistbear said:Sebastabear said:I can't imagine our collective reaction if America was offered a "deal" like that. With a particularly hearty lol at the "shrink the Ukrainian army" stipulation. Yeah, because Vlad the poisoner of underwear would never ever go back on his word and attack Ukraine after it had disarmed itself. I mean there's absolutely no precedent for that . . . Well other than the fact that Russia promised to respect and protect Ukraine back in the 90s in return for giving up their nukes. Yeah other than that one can't think of another case even remotely on point . . .Anarchistbear said:
Three days after Prime Minister Naftali Bennett's meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow, the details are beginning to emerge. According to people who were privy to details about the meeting, the current situation is that Russia has offered a "final" version of its offer to end the crisis, which Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky needs to accept or decline.
The proposal was deemed "difficult" but not "impossible," the sources said. It is worse than what Zelensky would have gotten before the invasion but "the gaps between the sides are not great."
Zelensky can fortify Ukraine's independence but will have to pay a heavy price, the sources said. Assumptions are that he will be forced to give up the contested Donbas region, officially recognize the pro-Russian dissidents in Ukraine, pledge that Ukraine will not join NATO, shrink his army and declare neutrality. If he declines the proposal, the outcome may be terrible: thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of Ukrainians will die and there is a high probability that his country will completely lose its independence.
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-700677
We aren't being invaded by a superior army, we don't have a million people leaving our country, nor do we face the prospect of having our culture and country destroyed. I'm not saying Zelensky should take the deal but he has to balance fighting this war on his own with saving his country and people for another day. For a country that has always been a human graveyard it's not an idle decision.
I think minimizing loss of human life and suffering always has to be the goal. And if for one second I thought Putin would respect this deal and keep the peace I could see where Zelensky would be tempted. But I don't believe ian impartial observer could arrive at the conclusion that this would last longer than the amount of time it took Vlad to fully disarm the Ukrainian people and then grind them under the boot. Ultimately I'm afraid they would wind up in the exact same place except without the eyes of the world watching and without the entire free world's support.
In the words of Maya Angelou when someone tells you who they are you should believe them the first time. Putin has shown the world demonstrably and irrevocably who he is.
Why should they sacrifice themselves if nobody else will?
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In fairness the situation in Russia seems to start heating up. More people are protesting against this war in the country. Putin is starting to lose a lot support. I don't see Ukraine taking that deal, because Ukraine would essentially become a vassal state of Russia.Anarchistbear said:Sebastabear said:Anarchistbear said:Sebastabear said:I can't imagine our collective reaction if America was offered a "deal" like that. With a particularly hearty lol at the "shrink the Ukrainian army" stipulation. Yeah, because Vlad the poisoner of underwear would never ever go back on his word and attack Ukraine after it had disarmed itself. I mean there's absolutely no precedent for that . . . Well other than the fact that Russia promised to respect and protect Ukraine back in the 90s in return for giving up their nukes. Yeah other than that one can't think of another case even remotely on point . . .Anarchistbear said:
Three days after Prime Minister Naftali Bennett's meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow, the details are beginning to emerge. According to people who were privy to details about the meeting, the current situation is that Russia has offered a "final" version of its offer to end the crisis, which Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky needs to accept or decline.
The proposal was deemed "difficult" but not "impossible," the sources said. It is worse than what Zelensky would have gotten before the invasion but "the gaps between the sides are not great."
Zelensky can fortify Ukraine's independence but will have to pay a heavy price, the sources said. Assumptions are that he will be forced to give up the contested Donbas region, officially recognize the pro-Russian dissidents in Ukraine, pledge that Ukraine will not join NATO, shrink his army and declare neutrality. If he declines the proposal, the outcome may be terrible: thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of Ukrainians will die and there is a high probability that his country will completely lose its independence.
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-700677
We aren't being invaded by a superior army, we don't have a million people leaving our country, nor do we face the prospect of having our culture and country destroyed. I'm not saying Zelensky should take the deal but he has to balance fighting this war on his own with saving his country and people for another day. For a country that has always been a human graveyard it's not an idle decision.
I think minimizing loss of human life and suffering always has to be the goal. And if for one second I thought Putin would respect this deal and keep the peace I could see where Zelensky would be tempted. But I don't believe ian impartial observer could arrive at the conclusion that this would last longer than the amount of time it took Vlad to fully disarm the Ukrainian people and then grind them under the boot. Ultimately I'm afraid they would wind up in the exact same place except without the eyes of the world watching and without the entire free world's support.
In the words of Maya Angelou when someone tells you who they are you should believe them the first time. Putin has shown the world demonstrably and irrevocably who he is.
Yes, of course,and nobody understands Russians better than Ukranians but it's easy for us to critique it. We haven't had a million people leaving , we aren't fighting or dying. We're watching on television.
The Ukranians have showed remarkable courage but their odds aren't great on their own. At some point it becomes some kind of guerilla resistance or a settlement. Why should they sacrifice themselves if nobody else will? The fact that talks are continuing does lead me to think we may not fully appreciate their situation
Unit2Sucks said:Isn't that like how all human endeavors are? It's like asking why members of a football team should work hard if other football teams don't. Ukraine is resisting Russian's invasion because they value their freedom and don't want to be subject to Russia's control. *checks notes* that doesn't seem to apply to anyone outside of Ukraine right now. I'm not saying that people shouldn't support Ukraine in their efforts but the idea that people in Ukraine are only willing to sacrifice themselves if non-Ukrainians will, seems to entirely miss the point. They should not sacrifice themselves for anyone other than themselves. Contrast that with what happened in Afghanistan where the people chose to accept Taliban domination after *checks notes* approximately 25 minutes.Anarchistbear said:Sebastabear said:Anarchistbear said:Sebastabear said:I can't imagine our collective reaction if America was offered a "deal" like that. With a particularly hearty lol at the "shrink the Ukrainian army" stipulation. Yeah, because Vlad the poisoner of underwear would never ever go back on his word and attack Ukraine after it had disarmed itself. I mean there's absolutely no precedent for that . . . Well other than the fact that Russia promised to respect and protect Ukraine back in the 90s in return for giving up their nukes. Yeah other than that one can't think of another case even remotely on point . . .Anarchistbear said:
Three days after Prime Minister Naftali Bennett's meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow, the details are beginning to emerge. According to people who were privy to details about the meeting, the current situation is that Russia has offered a "final" version of its offer to end the crisis, which Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky needs to accept or decline.
The proposal was deemed "difficult" but not "impossible," the sources said. It is worse than what Zelensky would have gotten before the invasion but "the gaps between the sides are not great."
Zelensky can fortify Ukraine's independence but will have to pay a heavy price, the sources said. Assumptions are that he will be forced to give up the contested Donbas region, officially recognize the pro-Russian dissidents in Ukraine, pledge that Ukraine will not join NATO, shrink his army and declare neutrality. If he declines the proposal, the outcome may be terrible: thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of Ukrainians will die and there is a high probability that his country will completely lose its independence.
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-700677
We aren't being invaded by a superior army, we don't have a million people leaving our country, nor do we face the prospect of having our culture and country destroyed. I'm not saying Zelensky should take the deal but he has to balance fighting this war on his own with saving his country and people for another day. For a country that has always been a human graveyard it's not an idle decision.
I think minimizing loss of human life and suffering always has to be the goal. And if for one second I thought Putin would respect this deal and keep the peace I could see where Zelensky would be tempted. But I don't believe ian impartial observer could arrive at the conclusion that this would last longer than the amount of time it took Vlad to fully disarm the Ukrainian people and then grind them under the boot. Ultimately I'm afraid they would wind up in the exact same place except without the eyes of the world watching and without the entire free world's support.
In the words of Maya Angelou when someone tells you who they are you should believe them the first time. Putin has shown the world demonstrably and irrevocably who he is.
Why should they sacrifice themselves if nobody else will?
I agree somewhat but if we believe all the framing this is the last stand for democracy against a tyrant. This is what Zelensky is calling for daily. But the fact is this view is not shared by the leaders of the countries that matter it is just role playing. Otoh alliances do force group sacrifice. If it were a few hundred miles west in Poland we would be involved.
Afghanistan chose the Taliban because they were a more acceptable option to foreign domination for 20 years
I'll just use this moment to plug a show from a few years ago I thoroughly enjoyed about a hypothetical Russian occupation of Norway.Anarchistbear said:Sebastabear said:I can't imagine our collective reaction if America was offered a "deal" like that. With a particularly hearty lol at the "shrink the Ukrainian army" stipulation. Yeah, because Vlad the poisoner of underwear would never ever go back on his word and attack Ukraine after it had disarmed itself. I mean there's absolutely no precedent for that . . . Well other than the fact that Russia promised to respect and protect Ukraine back in the 90s in return for giving up their nukes. Yeah other than that one can't think of another case even remotely on point . . .Anarchistbear said:
Three days after Prime Minister Naftali Bennett's meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow, the details are beginning to emerge. According to people who were privy to details about the meeting, the current situation is that Russia has offered a "final" version of its offer to end the crisis, which Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky needs to accept or decline.
The proposal was deemed "difficult" but not "impossible," the sources said. It is worse than what Zelensky would have gotten before the invasion but "the gaps between the sides are not great."
Zelensky can fortify Ukraine's independence but will have to pay a heavy price, the sources said. Assumptions are that he will be forced to give up the contested Donbas region, officially recognize the pro-Russian dissidents in Ukraine, pledge that Ukraine will not join NATO, shrink his army and declare neutrality. If he declines the proposal, the outcome may be terrible: thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of Ukrainians will die and there is a high probability that his country will completely lose its independence.
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-700677
We aren't being invaded by a superior army, we don't have a million people leaving our country, nor do we face the prospect of having our culture and country destroyed. I'm not saying Zelensky should take the deal but he has to balance fighting this war on his own with saving his country and people for another day. For a country that has always been a human graveyard it's not an idle decision.
I disagree with your thoughts on why the talks are happening. I don't think either side is realistically expecting a peace deal, but neither can just cancel them due to the international optics that would entail. I don't think Putin will accept anything less than regime change to a puppet government, and Russia is not acting in good faith in these negotiations. After all, they proposed humanitarian corridors, but only if the people flee to Russia. That is BS on so many levels.Anarchistbear said:Sebastabear said:Anarchistbear said:Sebastabear said:I can't imagine our collective reaction if America was offered a "deal" like that. With a particularly hearty lol at the "shrink the Ukrainian army" stipulation. Yeah, because Vlad the poisoner of underwear would never ever go back on his word and attack Ukraine after it had disarmed itself. I mean there's absolutely no precedent for that . . . Well other than the fact that Russia promised to respect and protect Ukraine back in the 90s in return for giving up their nukes. Yeah other than that one can't think of another case even remotely on point . . .Anarchistbear said:
Three days after Prime Minister Naftali Bennett's meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow, the details are beginning to emerge. According to people who were privy to details about the meeting, the current situation is that Russia has offered a "final" version of its offer to end the crisis, which Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky needs to accept or decline.
The proposal was deemed "difficult" but not "impossible," the sources said. It is worse than what Zelensky would have gotten before the invasion but "the gaps between the sides are not great."
Zelensky can fortify Ukraine's independence but will have to pay a heavy price, the sources said. Assumptions are that he will be forced to give up the contested Donbas region, officially recognize the pro-Russian dissidents in Ukraine, pledge that Ukraine will not join NATO, shrink his army and declare neutrality. If he declines the proposal, the outcome may be terrible: thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of Ukrainians will die and there is a high probability that his country will completely lose its independence.
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-700677
We aren't being invaded by a superior army, we don't have a million people leaving our country, nor do we face the prospect of having our culture and country destroyed. I'm not saying Zelensky should take the deal but he has to balance fighting this war on his own with saving his country and people for another day. For a country that has always been a human graveyard it's not an idle decision.
I think minimizing loss of human life and suffering always has to be the goal. And if for one second I thought Putin would respect this deal and keep the peace I could see where Zelensky would be tempted. But I don't believe ian impartial observer could arrive at the conclusion that this would last longer than the amount of time it took Vlad to fully disarm the Ukrainian people and then grind them under the boot. Ultimately I'm afraid they would wind up in the exact same place except without the eyes of the world watching and without the entire free world's support.
In the words of Maya Angelou when someone tells you who they are you should believe them the first time. Putin has shown the world demonstrably and irrevocably who he is.
Yes, of course,and nobody understands Russians better than Ukranians but it's easy for us to critique it. We haven't had a million people leaving , we aren't fighting or dying. We're watching on television.
The Ukranians have showed remarkable courage but their odds aren't great on their own. At some point it becomes some kind of guerilla resistance or a settlement. Why should they sacrifice themselves if nobody else will? The fact that talks are continuing does lead me to think we may not fully appreciate their situation
Really enjoyed that show as well. The prime minister character went through some crazy character evolutions but highly entertaining.golden sloth said:I'll just use this moment to plug a show from a few years ago I thoroughly enjoyed about a hypothetical Russian occupation of Norway.Anarchistbear said:Sebastabear said:I can't imagine our collective reaction if America was offered a "deal" like that. With a particularly hearty lol at the "shrink the Ukrainian army" stipulation. Yeah, because Vlad the poisoner of underwear would never ever go back on his word and attack Ukraine after it had disarmed itself. I mean there's absolutely no precedent for that . . . Well other than the fact that Russia promised to respect and protect Ukraine back in the 90s in return for giving up their nukes. Yeah other than that one can't think of another case even remotely on point . . .Anarchistbear said:
Three days after Prime Minister Naftali Bennett's meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow, the details are beginning to emerge. According to people who were privy to details about the meeting, the current situation is that Russia has offered a "final" version of its offer to end the crisis, which Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky needs to accept or decline.
The proposal was deemed "difficult" but not "impossible," the sources said. It is worse than what Zelensky would have gotten before the invasion but "the gaps between the sides are not great."
Zelensky can fortify Ukraine's independence but will have to pay a heavy price, the sources said. Assumptions are that he will be forced to give up the contested Donbas region, officially recognize the pro-Russian dissidents in Ukraine, pledge that Ukraine will not join NATO, shrink his army and declare neutrality. If he declines the proposal, the outcome may be terrible: thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of Ukrainians will die and there is a high probability that his country will completely lose its independence.
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-700677
We aren't being invaded by a superior army, we don't have a million people leaving our country, nor do we face the prospect of having our culture and country destroyed. I'm not saying Zelensky should take the deal but he has to balance fighting this war on his own with saving his country and people for another day. For a country that has always been a human graveyard it's not an idle decision.
Anarchistbear said:AunBear89 said:
If you are so eager to spank someone, maybe you should try a different web site?
Did you get your Anarchy socks yet?
My Little Aun Bear. I am sure there are many sites you could direct me to where you and your lads do your frolicking and slather each other with your signature Roquefort dressing..
^^^^^^^^
Projection
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
golden sloth said:I disagree with your thoughts on why the talks are happening. I don't think either side is realistically expecting a peace deal, but neither can just cancel them due to the international optics that would entail. I don't think Putin will accept anything less than regime change to a puppet government, and Russia is not acting in good faith in these negotiations. After all, they proposed humanitarian corridors, but only if the people flee to Russia. That is BS on so many levels.Anarchistbear said:Sebastabear said:Anarchistbear said:Sebastabear said:I can't imagine our collective reaction if America was offered a "deal" like that. With a particularly hearty lol at the "shrink the Ukrainian army" stipulation. Yeah, because Vlad the poisoner of underwear would never ever go back on his word and attack Ukraine after it had disarmed itself. I mean there's absolutely no precedent for that . . . Well other than the fact that Russia promised to respect and protect Ukraine back in the 90s in return for giving up their nukes. Yeah other than that one can't think of another case even remotely on point . . .Anarchistbear said:
Three days after Prime Minister Naftali Bennett's meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow, the details are beginning to emerge. According to people who were privy to details about the meeting, the current situation is that Russia has offered a "final" version of its offer to end the crisis, which Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky needs to accept or decline.
The proposal was deemed "difficult" but not "impossible," the sources said. It is worse than what Zelensky would have gotten before the invasion but "the gaps between the sides are not great."
Zelensky can fortify Ukraine's independence but will have to pay a heavy price, the sources said. Assumptions are that he will be forced to give up the contested Donbas region, officially recognize the pro-Russian dissidents in Ukraine, pledge that Ukraine will not join NATO, shrink his army and declare neutrality. If he declines the proposal, the outcome may be terrible: thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of Ukrainians will die and there is a high probability that his country will completely lose its independence.
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-700677
We aren't being invaded by a superior army, we don't have a million people leaving our country, nor do we face the prospect of having our culture and country destroyed. I'm not saying Zelensky should take the deal but he has to balance fighting this war on his own with saving his country and people for another day. For a country that has always been a human graveyard it's not an idle decision.
I think minimizing loss of human life and suffering always has to be the goal. And if for one second I thought Putin would respect this deal and keep the peace I could see where Zelensky would be tempted. But I don't believe ian impartial observer could arrive at the conclusion that this would last longer than the amount of time it took Vlad to fully disarm the Ukrainian people and then grind them under the boot. Ultimately I'm afraid they would wind up in the exact same place except without the eyes of the world watching and without the entire free world's support.
In the words of Maya Angelou when someone tells you who they are you should believe them the first time. Putin has shown the world demonstrably and irrevocably who he is.
Yes, of course,and nobody understands Russians better than Ukranians but it's easy for us to critique it. We haven't had a million people leaving , we aren't fighting or dying. We're watching on television.
The Ukranians have showed remarkable courage but their odds aren't great on their own. At some point it becomes some kind of guerilla resistance or a settlement. Why should they sacrifice themselves if nobody else will? The fact that talks are continuing does lead me to think we may not fully appreciate their situation
"Negotiating" with Putin is like negotiating with a mob boss. You're f***ed either way.
Anarchistbear said:Sebastabear said:Anarchistbear said:Sebastabear said:I can't imagine our collective reaction if America was offered a "deal" like that. With a particularly hearty lol at the "shrink the Ukrainian army" stipulation. Yeah, because Vlad the poisoner of underwear would never ever go back on his word and attack Ukraine after it had disarmed itself. I mean there's absolutely no precedent for that . . . Well other than the fact that Russia promised to respect and protect Ukraine back in the 90s in return for giving up their nukes. Yeah other than that one can't think of another case even remotely on point . . .Anarchistbear said:
Three days after Prime Minister Naftali Bennett's meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow, the details are beginning to emerge. According to people who were privy to details about the meeting, the current situation is that Russia has offered a "final" version of its offer to end the crisis, which Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky needs to accept or decline.
The proposal was deemed "difficult" but not "impossible," the sources said. It is worse than what Zelensky would have gotten before the invasion but "the gaps between the sides are not great."
Zelensky can fortify Ukraine's independence but will have to pay a heavy price, the sources said. Assumptions are that he will be forced to give up the contested Donbas region, officially recognize the pro-Russian dissidents in Ukraine, pledge that Ukraine will not join NATO, shrink his army and declare neutrality. If he declines the proposal, the outcome may be terrible: thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of Ukrainians will die and there is a high probability that his country will completely lose its independence.
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-700677
We aren't being invaded by a superior army, we don't have a million people leaving our country, nor do we face the prospect of having our culture and country destroyed. I'm not saying Zelensky should take the deal but he has to balance fighting this war on his own with saving his country and people for another day. For a country that has always been a human graveyard it's not an idle decision.
I think minimizing loss of human life and suffering always has to be the goal. And if for one second I thought Putin would respect this deal and keep the peace I could see where Zelensky would be tempted. But I don't believe ian impartial observer could arrive at the conclusion that this would last longer than the amount of time it took Vlad to fully disarm the Ukrainian people and then grind them under the boot. Ultimately I'm afraid they would wind up in the exact same place except without the eyes of the world watching and without the entire free world's support.
In the words of Maya Angelou when someone tells you who they are you should believe them the first time. Putin has shown the world demonstrably and irrevocably who he is.
Yes, of course,and nobody understands Russians better than Ukranians but it's easy for us to critique it. We haven't had a million people leaving , we aren't fighting or dying. We're watching on television.
The Ukranians have showed remarkable courage but their odds aren't great on their own. At some point it becomes some kind of guerilla resistance or a settlement. Why should they sacrifice themselves if nobody else will? The fact that talks are continuing does lead me to think we may not fully appreciate their situation
I gotta call bs here. Every country -- every people -- has its own problems. Sure, it looks like Ukraine has a difficult situation right now, but what about me?!? Here are some things I have to deal with every single day:
Will my kids get into Cal as freshmen (unlikely)? As JC transfers (maybe)? Or not al all?!? And, if the latter, what the heck happens then?
I kinda want to go to the Cal game at Notre Dame this fall, but I pretty much can't, but other people are. That really bothers me!
Do I accept the part-time consultant job I got offered, or stay completely retired? Could go either way, but I can't decide!
Gas is over $5 a gallon right now and, easy to say, just get a Tesla, but have you seen the waiting list for a Model Y?!? (No way I want any of the other models.)
Only a few years ago, I could do 6-7 pull-ups, but now I can't seem to do more than 4-5!
This summer, we're going to have to go to the Lair of the Golden Bear a different week and we're basically not going to know anybody!
My kids are starting to get tired of the Thai take-out we get every other Wednesday... and that's tomorrow!
I am a Cal Basketball season ticket holder and -- boom -- I need say no more.
And I could go on and on and on: Barely getting warmed up!
So basically, I'm pretty sure the Ukrainians could hang on a little longer, rather than caving in to Putin. Okay, so they're camped out in their subway station in Kyiv... lots of places in the US don't even have a subway!
Hold the line, Zelenskyy: We know you can do it!
Courage.
DiabloWags said:
Yawn.
Wake up
https://vm.tiktok.com/TTPdDKUgst/
Tell someone you love them and try to have a good day
interesting channel here, this guy asks questions to the general public in Russia. This video is "Would you like a return to the soviet union?"
what russians think of Putin?
what russians think of Putin?
What a bunch of crisis actors.MinotStateBeav said:
interesting channel here, this guy asks questions to the general public in Russia. This video is "Would you like a return to the soviet union?"
what russians think of Putin?
Joan was polarizing in my student days. Some valued her steadfast dedication to peace, others ridiculed her as a phony, interested only in self promotion. She and her dedication have survived. She remains one off the very few public figures I can think of that exudes authenticity. A toast to her.bearister said:A collage. pic.twitter.com/mv8LsE60mo
— Joan Baez (@joancbaez) March 7, 2022
She is a beautiful woman too.
In other news:
Putin's military failures force bitter Russian reckoning
https://www.axios.com/putin-russia-invasion-failure-b7a63b7f-0198-4417-bf1d-3683607554bf.html
In other news:
Putin's military failures force bitter Russian reckoning
https://www.axios.com/putin-russia-invasion-failure-b7a63b7f-0198-4417-bf1d-3683607554bf.html
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When do tanks get deemed an obsolete form of warfare against an armed enemy?
Dramatic moment column of Putin's tanks is destroyed in Ukrainian artillery ambush that 'killed ANOTHER top commander'
https://www.the-sun.com/news/4863692/putin-tanks-destroyed-ukrainian-artillery-killed-commander/
Dramatic moment column of Putin's tanks is destroyed in Ukrainian artillery ambush that 'killed ANOTHER top commander'
https://www.the-sun.com/news/4863692/putin-tanks-destroyed-ukrainian-artillery-killed-commander/
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Is Her Majesty the Queen too frail to muzzle her talking pet?
Prince William says conflict in Europe is 'alien,' drawing swift rebuke after misleading media reports
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/10/prince-william-backlash-war-comments/
Prince William says conflict in Europe is 'alien,' drawing swift rebuke after misleading media reports
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/10/prince-william-backlash-war-comments/
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Thanks for sharing this, bearister. A toast to her is well deserved.Out Of The Past said:Joan was polarizing in my student days. Some valued her steadfast dedication to peace, others ridiculed her as a phony, interested only in self promotion. She and her dedication have survived. She remains one off the very few public figures I can think of that exudes authenticity. A toast to her.bearister said:A collage. pic.twitter.com/mv8LsE60mo
— Joan Baez (@joancbaez) March 7, 2022
Yes, Joan was "polarizing" to the idiots who pushed for greater involvement in Vietnam, "Domino Theory," and those who condemned anyone (especially Dems) who they thought were "soft on Communism," and who considered anti-war protesters "the enemy."
Joan and the anti-war protesters were right all along, and the pro-war zealots, who were responsible for tens of thousands of American deaths, and millions of Vietnamese, Cambodian, and Laotian deaths, were wrong. They were never held accountable.
In fact, many of them continued on, with the same foreign policy mindset, to push for our illegal, unprovoked invasion of Iraq in 2003. Again, none of them were held accountable.
When will we learn?
We won't learn. We just change the name of the offending group from conservative to neoliberal, let the conservatives pretend to always be right and blame the liberals, and continue to just be one propaganda pitch away from the next stupid military venture.cbbass1 said:Thanks for sharing this, bearister. A toast to her is well deserved.Out Of The Past said:Joan was polarizing in my student days. Some valued her steadfast dedication to peace, others ridiculed her as a phony, interested only in self promotion. She and her dedication have survived. She remains one off the very few public figures I can think of that exudes authenticity. A toast to her.bearister said:A collage. pic.twitter.com/mv8LsE60mo
— Joan Baez (@joancbaez) March 7, 2022
Yes, Joan was "polarizing" to the idiots who pushed for greater involvement in Vietnam, "Domino Theory," and those who condemned anyone (especially Dems) who they thought were "soft on Communism," and who considered anti-war protesters "the enemy."
Joan and the anti-war protesters were right all along, and the pro-war zealots, who were responsible for tens of thousands of American deaths, and millions of Vietnamese, Cambodian, and Laotian deaths, were wrong. They were never held accountable.
In fact, many of them continued on, with the same foreign policy mindset, to push for our illegal, unprovoked invasion of Iraq in 2003. Again, none of them were held accountable.
When will we learn?
Here is a picture of Joan near some OPD in connection with the Oakland Army Induction Center protests in October, 1967 (she looks to be at Clay and 14th Street).
I was 14 then. I have a distinct memory of my Mom taking me to a doctor's appointment during the protests. We got off the Harrison off-ramp of 580 to head to Pill Hill. As we proceeded down Harrison we saw what looked like 10,000 hippies on their way to Clay Street where the Induction Center was. I knew right then and there that I wanted to go to Cal and be one of those long hairs (I was a freshman at O'Dowd at the time).
My Dad worked in an office building on 14th at the time (the Central Building). He told me he could see OPD and Alameda County Sheriffs on horseback with batons kicking protestors and smacking skulls, you know, what helltopay1 refers to as "the hood ole days."
I was 14 then. I have a distinct memory of my Mom taking me to a doctor's appointment during the protests. We got off the Harrison off-ramp of 580 to head to Pill Hill. As we proceeded down Harrison we saw what looked like 10,000 hippies on their way to Clay Street where the Induction Center was. I knew right then and there that I wanted to go to Cal and be one of those long hairs (I was a freshman at O'Dowd at the time).
My Dad worked in an office building on 14th at the time (the Central Building). He told me he could see OPD and Alameda County Sheriffs on horseback with batons kicking protestors and smacking skulls, you know, what helltopay1 refers to as "the hood ole days."
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I know it's a trivial award given the circumstance, but does anyone else think Zelensky has already wrapped up Time's Man of the Year?
If they give it to Putin I'm cancelling my subscription and given there's only a half dozen of us left I think they'd hate to lose me. But honestly they gave it to Hitler and Stalin (twice) so Putin could very well be in the mix.golden sloth said:
I know it's a trivial award given the circumstance, but does anyone else think Zelensky has already wrapped up Time's Man of the Year?
Russia takes Ukrainian 'biological weapons' propaganda to UN
https://mol.im/a/10602523
Ukraine: Putin is planning a 'man made catastrophe' at Chernobyl
https://mol.im/a/10602703
"Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense."
https://mol.im/a/10602523
Ukraine: Putin is planning a 'man made catastrophe' at Chernobyl
https://mol.im/a/10602703
"Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense."
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Chelsea F.C. seized by British government:
"The Russian-Israeli billionaire had his assets frozen by the Boris Johnson administration over his ties to Vladimir Putin. The oligarch has disputed the charges against him and said he has been involved in peace talks between Russia and Ukraine.
The U.K. government stated the club would have a special license to meet obligations such as fulfilling fixtures and paying staff.
Existing ticket holders and season-ticket holders will be able to go to games, but the club will not be able to sell new tickets for now.
Abramovich faces a prohibition on transactions with U.K. individuals and businesses, as well as a travel ban.
Abramovich was one of seven people sanctioned by the U.K. with an estimated $19.7 billion total asset hit."
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*Well, that could have been interesting had Mikhail Prokhorov not cashed out of the Brooklyn Nets and Barclays Center
"The Russian-Israeli billionaire had his assets frozen by the Boris Johnson administration over his ties to Vladimir Putin. The oligarch has disputed the charges against him and said he has been involved in peace talks between Russia and Ukraine.
The U.K. government stated the club would have a special license to meet obligations such as fulfilling fixtures and paying staff.
Existing ticket holders and season-ticket holders will be able to go to games, but the club will not be able to sell new tickets for now.
Abramovich faces a prohibition on transactions with U.K. individuals and businesses, as well as a travel ban.
Abramovich was one of seven people sanctioned by the U.K. with an estimated $19.7 billion total asset hit."
frontofficesports.com
*Well, that could have been interesting had Mikhail Prokhorov not cashed out of the Brooklyn Nets and Barclays Center
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With all of these Ukrainian refugees fleeing into other parts of Europe, the seeds are being sown for generations of Russian speaking people in EUROPE hating Russia and Vladimir Putin.
Yet another miscalculation by Putin.
Yet another miscalculation by Putin.
Syria recruiting troops from its military to fight with Russian forces in Ukraine
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/11/putin-approves-russian-use-of-middle-east-fighters-against-ukraine?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
*More Putin cannon fodder that will be sent home to Syria in body bags.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/11/putin-approves-russian-use-of-middle-east-fighters-against-ukraine?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
*More Putin cannon fodder that will be sent home to Syria in body bags.
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Kitchensisters.org needs to disinfect their WP site. Nasty.bearister said:
Here is a picture of Joan near some OPD in connection with the Oakland Army Induction Center protests in October, 1967 (she looks to be at Clay and 14th Street).
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I was 14 then. I have a distinct memory of my Mom taking me to a doctor's appointment during the protests. We got off the Harrison off-ramp of 580 to head to Pill Hill. As we proceeded down Harrison we saw what looked like 10,000 hippies on their way to Clay Street where the Induction Center was. I knew right then and there that I wanted to go to Cal and be one of those long hairs (I was a freshman at O'Dowd at the time).
My Dad worked in an office building on 14th at the time (the Central Building). He told me he could see OPD and Alameda County Sheriffs on horseback with batons kicking protestors and smacking skulls, you know, what helltopay1 refers to as "the hood ole days."
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Come the F on !!!! Why not everyone just join in on the Bs moving on wheels . Yikes
Tell someone you love them and try to have a good day
This oughta trigger some maroons.
Quote:
Biden Answered the 3 a.m. Call
It's hard to imagine that any of his rivals from the last election could have matched the president's performance in this crisis.
Joe Biden hasn't received the full credit he deserves for his statecraft during this crisis, because he has pursued a policy of self-effacement. Rather than touting his accomplishments in mobilizing a unified global response to the invasion, he has portrayed the stringent sanctions as the triumph of an alliance. By carefully limiting his own public roleand letting France's Emmanuel Macron and Germany's Olaf Scholz take turns as the lead faces of NATOhe has left Vladimir Putin with little opportunity to portray the conflict as a standoff with the United States, a narrative that the Russian leader would clearly prefer. He's shown how to wield American leadership in the face of deep European ambivalence about its exercise.
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After Afghanistan revealed a failure to imagine the worst-case scenario, Biden's response to Russia's war has been marked by its creativity. In advance of the invasion, the administration surreptitiously hastened its shipments of arms to Ukraine, bestowing on it an armament well suited to the eventuality of urban combat. By preparing a suite of unconventional sanctions long before Putin's troops crossed the border, the administration avoided the need to cobble together policy and the scramble to inform allies of its plans. The legwork was already done. Most impressively, it broadcast its intelligence about Russia to the world in anticipation of an invasion. (Having a veteran diplomat as CIA chief helps.) Because its assessment of Russian intentions proved to be painfully accurate, the maneuver has helped reclaim the lost trust of allies and the global public.
It's a quietly bravura performanceand it's hard to imagine that any of Biden's rivals from the last election, not just Donald Trump but also the Democrats, could have come close to matching it. If anything, it is reminiscent of how George H. W. Bush led the world through the end of the Cold War, a similarly chaotic moment that could have easily exploded into nuclear conflict. In the middle of Joe Biden's 3 a.m. call, I find myself grateful that he's the one answering the phone.
Through these fields of destruction
Baptisms of fire
I've witnessed your suffering
As the battle raged high
.....
We're fools to make war
On our brothers in arms
(Mark Knopfler 1984)
Baptisms of fire
I've witnessed your suffering
As the battle raged high
.....
We're fools to make war
On our brothers in arms
(Mark Knopfler 1984)
If you believe in forever
Then life is just a one-night stand
If there's a rock and roll heaven
Well you know they've got a hell of a band
Then life is just a one-night stand
If there's a rock and roll heaven
Well you know they've got a hell of a band
Don't know if the mods will allow
I do hope that's true. pic.twitter.com/c8aMT4Ergi
— 🕷️The Hierophant HildegardP 🇺🇦 (@HildegardP) March 11, 2022
Tell someone you love them and try to have a good day
Interesting thread on Russian military. I don't know how reliable it is, but it's wild. I guess one thing we do know is that the military hasn't exactly covered itself in glory in the invasion so …
Why Russian army is so weak?
— Kamil Galeev (@kamilkazani) March 12, 2022
When Russia invaded, experts thought it'd win in 24-72 hours. Two weeks later the war's still going. How come? On paper Russian superiority's overwhelming
Although Russia projects warlike image, its military r weak and don't know how to fight wars🧵 pic.twitter.com/oUhfWHxf9e
Unit2Sucks said:
Interesting thread on Russian military. I don't know how reliable it is, but it's wild. I guess one thing we do know is that the military hasn't exactly covered itself in glory in the invasion so …Why Russian army is so weak?
— Kamil Galeev (@kamilkazani) March 12, 2022
When Russia invaded, experts thought it'd win in 24-72 hours. Two weeks later the war's still going. How come? On paper Russian superiority's overwhelming
Although Russia projects warlike image, its military r weak and don't know how to fight wars🧵 pic.twitter.com/oUhfWHxf9e
Russia is trying to avoid civilian casualties. They could roll over Ukraine but that would not be a good look. The reality is that in order to avoid nasty street fights Russia needs to use its air force to eliminate Ukraine's command and control capability and so far the Russian air force appears to be subpar.
They build good equipment on par with the West but they don't have much of it and to date they haven't deployed much of it either because they are afraid of losing it or possibly exposing its limitations. Some theories suggest they don't want to commit it because they still fear a direct attack from the West and so they are holding it in reserve.
That said, the Russians are clearly not capable of engaging in an aerial campaign using precision guided weapons to disable Ukrainian air defenses and other valuable targets.
Also, don't underestimate the impact the West is having. They might not be providing troops but I am sure they are providing Ukraine a lot of intelligence they could never obtain on their own. Information can be a force multiplier.
I had heard (and by that I mean read and listened to internet experts, so... grain of salt) that when Russia invaded, Ukraine dispersed their military, opting to avoid large scale confrontations and using small scale ambush tactics on the supply lines instead (which has been very effective thusfar). This has the added benefit of giving Russia no good targets to attack from the air as there are no concentrations of equipment. They could just indiscriminately bomb cities from the air similar to WWII, but the backlash and 'propaganda wars would take a hit.dimitrig said:Unit2Sucks said:
Interesting thread on Russian military. I don't know how reliable it is, but it's wild. I guess one thing we do know is that the military hasn't exactly covered itself in glory in the invasion so …Why Russian army is so weak?
— Kamil Galeev (@kamilkazani) March 12, 2022
When Russia invaded, experts thought it'd win in 24-72 hours. Two weeks later the war's still going. How come? On paper Russian superiority's overwhelming
Although Russia projects warlike image, its military r weak and don't know how to fight wars🧵 pic.twitter.com/oUhfWHxf9e
Russia is trying to avoid civilian casualties. They could roll over Ukraine but that would not be a good look. The reality is that in order to avoid nasty street fights Russia needs to use its air force to eliminate Ukraine's command and control capability and so far the Russian air force appears to be subpar.
They build good equipment on par with the West but they don't have much of it and to date they haven't deployed much of it either because they are afraid of losing it or possibly exposing its limitations. Some theories suggest they don't want to commit it because they still fear a direct attack from the West and so they are holding it in reserve.
That said, the Russians are clearly not capable of engaging in an aerial campaign using precision guided weapons to disable Ukrainian air defenses and other valuable targets.
Also, don't underestimate the impact the West is having. They might not be providing troops but I am sure they are providing Ukraine a lot of intelligence they could never obtain on their own. Information can be a force multiplier.
Remember Russia's goal is to establish a long-term puppet government, its harder to establish a puppet government the occupied population will at least partially accept if you've massacred them.
That part could use some work.dimitrig said:Unit2Sucks said:
Interesting thread on Russian military. I don't know how reliable it is, but it's wild. I guess one thing we do know is that the military hasn't exactly covered itself in glory in the invasion so …Why Russian army is so weak?
— Kamil Galeev (@kamilkazani) March 12, 2022
When Russia invaded, experts thought it'd win in 24-72 hours. Two weeks later the war's still going. How come? On paper Russian superiority's overwhelming
Although Russia projects warlike image, its military r weak and don't know how to fight wars🧵 pic.twitter.com/oUhfWHxf9e
Russia is trying to avoid civilian casualties.
❗️Audio of Russian soldier saying they had 2000 militants from Donbas but so few are left, they decided to just kill every civilian on sight. He says someone had a flashlight so was shot dead. Kharkiv is in darkness. No power. Says snipers are looking to kill ppl w/ flashlights❗️ https://t.co/47l6pB9xVj
— 🇺🇦Paula Chertok🗽🇺🇦 (@PaulaChertok) March 13, 2022
As to your general argument, I've seen nothing to indicate that Russia's military is well trained, has the logistical capabilities to support an invasion of this size and that Russia has a clearly mapped out strategy. They thought it would be like the Taliban overrunning Afghanistan. Russia has exposed how incredibly weak their military is. They basically have a bunch of nukes and artillery and otherwise can't run a campaign. At this point, I wonder if their nukes even work.
EDIT: more on this point.
Another key factor is misrepresentation. Putin looked at US withdrawal in Afghanistan and thought, if I push Ukraine hard enough, government in Kyiv will run same way if US is out of the picture. Because in his mind, Ukraine and Afghanistan were run by the same people
— Anton Barbashin (@ABarbashin) March 12, 2022
7/10
Believe it or not there are people here who are dumb enough to fall for this garbage. They are probably the same maroons giving Trump money for a new plane.
100%. pic.twitter.com/qk5ZPb8ah6
— Sunshine PA Sue. (@PennslytckySue) March 11, 2022
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