The Official Russian Invasion of Ukraine Thread

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Is Estonia being prodded by NATO?

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Trump totally CLUELESS about this War.
Has no clue really.

He almost sounds bored with it.
Wants to move on ...
lol
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If I were this guy "David Sucks", I would for sure change my name. Who wouldn't? Even if it's true!
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Brian Kilmeade: Putin is 'Embarrassing President Trump'


https://www.mediaite.com/tv/brian-kilmeade-vladimir-putin-is-embarrassing-president-trump/



Putin ignores Trump's 'Vladimir stop' demand by launching lethal kamikaze drones | News World | Metro News


https://metro.co.uk/2025/04/25/putin-ignores-trumps-vladimir-stop-demand-launching-lethal-kamikaze-drones-22970608/
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bearister said:

Putin ignores Trump's 'Vladimir stop' demand by launching lethal kamikaze drones | News World | Metro News


https://metro.co.uk/2025/04/25/putin-ignores-trumps-vladimir-stop-demand-launching-lethal-kamikaze-drones-22970608/
Well well well, not so easy to get Russia to stop a war, is it?
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Drones have been used every day by both sides in this war, for years.

The main (and only) way to stop the war is to reach an "Istanbul plus" type agreement on the basis of what was almost ratified in April 22.

To his credit Trump and his administration understand this and have pushed in that direction. Zelensky however won't even accept Crimea being Russian, so there is no chance whatsoever of ending the war unless Z's starting point is more realistic.
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DiabloWags said:

Trump totally CLUELESS about this War.
Has no clue really.

He almost sounds bored with it.
Wants to move on ...
lol

The U.S. general public is getting bored with it and Democrats stopped wearing Ukraine flag pins.
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sycasey said:

bearister said:

Putin ignores Trump's 'Vladimir stop' demand by launching lethal kamikaze drones | News World | Metro News


https://metro.co.uk/2025/04/25/putin-ignores-trumps-vladimir-stop-demand-launching-lethal-kamikaze-drones-22970608/
Well well well, not so easy to get Russia to stop a war, is it?

Maybe Zelensky wants to keep going? If the money is coming in from Europe and the U.S., why stop a good thing?

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bear2034 said:

sycasey said:

bearister said:

Putin ignores Trump's 'Vladimir stop' demand by launching lethal kamikaze drones | News World | Metro News


https://metro.co.uk/2025/04/25/putin-ignores-trumps-vladimir-stop-demand-launching-lethal-kamikaze-drones-22970608/
Well well well, not so easy to get Russia to stop a war, is it?

Maybe Zelensky wants to keep going? If the money is coming in from Europe and the U.S., why stop a good thing?



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Maybe!
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Putin's latest offer is the current 4 oblasts and a 30km buffer, roughly the current borders plus the rest of Zaporizhie and Kherson oblasts, as well as neutrality for Ukraine. Crimea is a not even up for discussion, and the fact that Zelensky doesn't even concede it means that the war will go on for the rest of the year at the very least.
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It appears Zelensky dressed up for the occasion.
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Russian interest rates still at 21%

Inflation Rate: 10.3%

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Vladimir, STOP! My bum can't take any more.
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DiabloWags said:

Russian interest rates still at 21%

Inflation Rate: 10.3%

You won't read this in Barron's or the WSJ, so I am helping out here by providing you with the real economic picture of Russia today:

Wage growth in Russia is well above 10%, around 18%. I am not sure if there is any other industrialized country in the world today where real wages and purchasing power is growing, certainly not but that much:





This doesn't look like an economy in trouble to me, in fact this might be the best Russia has been since the beginning of the 20th century.
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There are also a lot of job openings thanks to the meat grinder aka the Invasion of the Ukraine.
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The price of Ural Crude has been in a nosedive since peaking at $77.50 a barrel in January.
Now at $50.

This really hurts their budget.
Their budget is based on $69 crude oil price.

It is also less than the $60-a-barrel tipping point, above which profits from oil exports are added to Russia's sovereign wealth fund via taxes. Revenues below this cut-off are covered by drawing from the fund, which as of April 1, held 3.27 trillion rubles ($39.8 billion) in liquid assets.

Vlad not happy.




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bearister said:

There are also a lot of job openings thanks to the meat grinder aka the Invasion of the Ukraine.

Definitely, but the sanctions really helped too. Russia used to import whole ranges of products that they have only recently started to produce at home, from cheese to tractors to passenger jets.

The other factor is that all the oligarchs and rich Russians repatriated their money home. There are (were) a lot of Russians with second homes in places like Biarritz, France and homes in London and on the Continent who had their homes simply seized and their bank accounts closed. Talk about an own goal there, because ironically the upper classes in Russia were very pro-West and liberal, not so much now.
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DiabloWags said:

The price of Ural Crude has been in a nosedive since peaking at $77.50 a barrel in January.
Now at $50.

This really hurts their budget.
Their budget is based on $69 crude oil price.

It is also less than the $60-a-barrel tipping point, above which profits from oil exports are added to Russia's sovereign wealth fund via taxes. Revenues below this cut-off are covered by drawing from the fund, which as of April 1, held 3.27 trillion rubles ($39.8 billion) in liquid assets.

Vlad not happy.





Didn't Cal88 post that most of Russia's oil exports are not Ural Crude? You never addressed this. On top of that, your numbers were WAY off on your earlier post. Also, I just checked Ural Crude price and it is $65.49 per barrel. It looks like you are WAY off again. SAD.
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DiabloWags said:

The price of Ural Crude has been in a nosedive since peaking at $77.50 a barrel in January.
Now at $50.

This really hurts their budget.
Their budget is based on $69 crude oil price.

It is also less than the $60-a-barrel tipping point, above which profits from oil exports are added to Russia's sovereign wealth fund via taxes. Revenues below this cut-off are covered by drawing from the fund, which as of April 1, held 3.27 trillion rubles ($39.8 billion) in liquid assets.

Vlad not happy.

The Russian economy has been diversifying, see my post above, and no longer as dependent on energy exports. Ironically, having that energy export windfall did hinder their economy and domestic industrial base in the past, in that they could import a lot of products and park their money in foreign portfolios abroad, one common aspect of the Dutch Disease.

One other point you are missing is that the Russian budget is of course Ruble-denominated, if oil prices go down, so will the Ruble, so the actual Russian budget will not fluctuate nearly as much as oil prices do.

Also Russia's debt to GDP ratio is below 20%, say what you want about Putin but he cleaned that up, along with other key aspects of the Russian economic base. Russia's debt to GDP ratio was nearly 100% when Putin took over in 2000. btw he has a PhD in economics, and did his thesis on the development of ressource-based economies...

The Russians could easily sustain two more years of Ukraine war. Ukraine's military ressources on the other hand won't last this long, the Russians will be in Odessa, Dnipro, Kharkov and possibly Kiev by then if the war goes on for another two years.


Hence the macabre folly of Zelensky, Starmer and Merz' refusal to enter serious negotiations. Another half a million plus Ukrainian soldiers killed, and the territorial loss of up to half of Ukraine as a result of their stubborness.
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oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

The price of Ural Crude has been in a nosedive since peaking at $77.50 a barrel in January.
Now at $50.

This really hurts their budget.
Their budget is based on $69 crude oil price.

It is also less than the $60-a-barrel tipping point, above which profits from oil exports are added to Russia's sovereign wealth fund via taxes. Revenues below this cut-off are covered by drawing from the fund, which as of April 1, held 3.27 trillion rubles ($39.8 billion) in liquid assets.

Vlad not happy.





Didn't Cal88 post that most of Russia's oil exports are not Ural Crude? You never addressed this. On top of that, your numbers were WAY off on your earlier post. Also, I just checked Ural Crude price and it is $65.49 per barrel. It looks like you are WAY off again. SAD.

Ural crude is a relatively small part of their oil production, but a significant part of their oil exports. Russia has one of the lowest industrial input costs in the world because they are self-sufficient in energy and natural resources. As a result they for instance undercut wheat producers like France or Canada on the world market, and across a wide range of energy-intensive products like fertilizer, cement, aluminum etc. This is also reflected across their own domestic supply chain, one of the main reasons their economy is nearly sanction-proof.
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Russia officially acknowledges participation of North Korean troops in the Kursk battle.

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Can admitting Chinese mercenaries are also in play be far behind?




It's a veritable Axis of Evil smorgasbord, with Iranian missiles and drones thrown in as appetizers.

Boy, the Ukraine took on the world when they started this war.
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The foreign/mercenary element is far more prevalent on the NATO side, with not just NATO members but also fighters from Georgia, Colombia, Brazil etc.

I would guess the Chinese element in this war aren't just casual mercenaries, but perhaps specialists studying and reporting on new methods of warfare.
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Cal88 said:

oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

The price of Ural Crude has been in a nosedive since peaking at $77.50 a barrel in January.
Now at $50.

This really hurts their budget.
Their budget is based on $69 crude oil price.

It is also less than the $60-a-barrel tipping point, above which profits from oil exports are added to Russia's sovereign wealth fund via taxes. Revenues below this cut-off are covered by drawing from the fund, which as of April 1, held 3.27 trillion rubles ($39.8 billion) in liquid assets.

Vlad not happy.





Didn't Cal88 post that most of Russia's oil exports are not Ural Crude? You never addressed this. On top of that, your numbers were WAY off on your earlier post. Also, I just checked Ural Crude price and it is $65.49 per barrel. It looks like you are WAY off again. SAD.

Ural crude is a relatively small part of their oil production, but a significant part of their oil exports.

Thank you for once again pointing out that Oski has no idea what he's talking about.
Shocker.

And he's quoting the price of Ural crude at $65.49?
That's from Feb. 24th and is ancient history.

Crude Oil Urals Europe CFR Spot Price Today - Investing.com

Urals Crude Oil

He's so out of touch.
Pathetic.




https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-04-07/russia-s-flagship-oil-urals-tumbles-toward-50-in-global-rout?accessToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJzb3VyY2UiOiJTdWJzY3JpYmVyR2lmdGVkQXJ0aWNsZSIsImlhdCI6MTc0NTgwODQwOCwiZXhwIjoxNzQ2NDEzMjA4LCJhcnRpY2xlSWQiOiJTVUM4RTZUMEcxS1cwMCIsImJjb25uZWN0SWQiOiI0QTE0NjgyRTVEQjI0RDgyOEVGOTIxMzA1M0U4NzhDMiJ9.CCRHKAMNCdWj5IqvNmDtfiyjr4EKNSsQ_77AZTn82So

By the way, the Urals oil blend, extracted from various fields beyond the Ural Mountains, has a higher density and sulfur content, which reduces the yield of light oil products and complicates their refining. Therefore, Russian Urals oil is always sold at a discount to the Brent blend, which is extracted in the North Sea and has lower density and sulfur content.

For example, when Urals oil was sold at $50 per barrel, the Brent grade cost $64 per barrel.
The discount to Brent has been running between $13 - $15 per barrel.

The Urals blend accounts for more than 80% of Russia's exports.

Product: Urals

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DiabloWags said:

Cal88 said:

oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

The price of Ural Crude has been in a nosedive since peaking at $77.50 a barrel in January.
Now at $50.

This really hurts their budget.
Their budget is based on $69 crude oil price.

It is also less than the $60-a-barrel tipping point, above which profits from oil exports are added to Russia's sovereign wealth fund via taxes. Revenues below this cut-off are covered by drawing from the fund, which as of April 1, held 3.27 trillion rubles ($39.8 billion) in liquid assets.

Vlad not happy.





Didn't Cal88 post that most of Russia's oil exports are not Ural Crude? You never addressed this. On top of that, your numbers were WAY off on your earlier post. Also, I just checked Ural Crude price and it is $65.49 per barrel. It looks like you are WAY off again. SAD.

Ural crude is a relatively small part of their oil production, but a significant part of their oil exports.

Thank you for once again pointing out that Oski has no idea what he's talking about.
Shocker.

And he's quoting the price of Ural crude at $65.49?
That's from Feb. 24th and is ancient history.

Crude Oil Urals Europe CFR Spot Price Today - Investing.com

Urals Crude Oil

He's so out of touch.
Pathetic.




https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-04-07/russia-s-flagship-oil-urals-tumbles-toward-50-in-global-rout?accessToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJzb3VyY2UiOiJTdWJzY3JpYmVyR2lmdGVkQXJ0aWNsZSIsImlhdCI6MTc0NTgwODQwOCwiZXhwIjoxNzQ2NDEzMjA4LCJhcnRpY2xlSWQiOiJTVUM4RTZUMEcxS1cwMCIsImJjb25uZWN0SWQiOiI0QTE0NjgyRTVEQjI0RDgyOEVGOTIxMzA1M0U4NzhDMiJ9.CCRHKAMNCdWj5IqvNmDtfiyjr4EKNSsQ_77AZTn82So

By the way, the Urals oil blend, extracted from various fields beyond the Ural Mountains, has a higher density and sulfur content, which reduces the yield of light oil products and complicates their refining. Therefore, Russian Urals oil is always sold at a discount to the Brent blend, which is extracted in the North Sea and has lower density and sulfur content.

For example, when Urals oil was sold at $50 per barrel, the Brent grade cost $64 per barrel.
The discount to Brent has been running between $13 - $15 per barrel.

The Urals blend accounts for more than 80% of Russia's exports.

Product: Urals




Thanks for confirming the price at more than $60. you don't even read your own links. SHOCKER.

The discount to the Brent blend is irrelevant here and a pathetic attempt to look knowledgeable. So pathetic.

Edit. Also SAD.
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The exchange of bodies reflect the imbalance in this one-sided war:





Also -




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Here's yet another article from this month showing the price of Urals crude at Primorsk trading at $53.50

Also confirming this price, Brent is currently trading at $64.39
The discount of $13 - $15 would put Urals crude trading today at $50 or even less.

It's shocking how terribly poor reading comp is for some Cal alums here.
One really has to question if they actually went to CAL.

April 18th, 2025


Russia-India Oil Shipping Rates Drop as Urals Dips Below Price Cap | OilPrice.com


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DiabloWags said:

Here's yet another article from this month showing the price of Urals crude at Primorsk trading at $53.50

It's shocking how terribly poor reading comp is for some Cal alums here.
One really has to question if they actually went to CAL.

April 18th, 2025


Russia-India Oil Shipping Rates Drop as Urals Dips Below Price Cap | OilPrice.com





Ural Crude temporarily dipped near $50 and didn't hold there for very long at all (less than a day) as demand increased dramatically as soon as it approached that level. It immediately shot back up around $60.

It's shocking how terribly poor reading comp is for some Cal alums here.
One really has to question if they actually went to CAL.
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Oh look . . . guess who replied to me within 4 minutes.

Lmfao!

Brent crude is currently trading at $64.39

That means that the price of Urals crude is currently trading between $51 - $49 today, given how it trades at a discount to Brent. - - - It's nowhere near $60, let alone $65.49 as was claimed by an ignorant poster.

It's shocking how terribly IGNORANT some Cal alums can be.
Shocking!



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DiabloWags said:

Oh look . . . guess who replied to me within 4 minutes.

Lmfao!

Brent crude is currently trading at $64.39

That means that the price of Urals crude is currently trading between $51 - $49 today, given how it trades at a discount to Brent. - - - It's nowhere near $60, let alone $65.49 as was claimed by an ignorant poster.

It's shocking how terribly IGNORANT some Cal alums can be.
Shocking!






It is adorable how you pretended to ignore me, yet you continuously have the need to call me names and pretend like Ural Crude is stuck at $50. It isn't. It dipped near there briefly. There are times when Brent and Ural are at the same price.
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