The Official Russian Invasion of Ukraine Thread

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In reply to Cal88 • 1:54p, 2/19/26
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Putin doesn't want to exterminate Ukraine, he wants a neutral Ukraine whose government and ruling culture isn't openly hostile to Russia and the large Ukrainian Russian minority.

Translation: he wants a Ukraine that is under his control. Ukrainians, by and large, do not want that. That's why there is a war.

If Ukrainians did want what Putin wanted, then there would be no war and all the Western "help" for Ukraine wouldn't mean anything. They don't.


Russia would be happy with a neutral Ukraine, same way the Soviets were happy with a neutral Finland for many decades.

The majority of Ukrainians want a settlement with Russia and their Donbas provinces, and thousands of their men are being sent to the frontlines against their will.

Ukraine had 50 million people in 1990, today, less than 20 million inside their current borders.

Yeah, a bunch of people got killed or decided to flee because Russia attacked.

The Soviets were "happy" with a neutral Finland because the Finns proved that they could beat them back and make any invasion extremely costly, much as Ukraine is doing now. It wasn't out of the goodness of their Russian hearts. A very good argument for why Ukraine needs to continue fighting.
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In reply to dajo9 • 2:30p, 2/19/26
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In a few months Putin's war will have lasted as long as WWI. Of course, WWI was a war of attrition pitting Europe's great powers. This war is just Russia attacking a satellite state. Just like the German's tried the quick strike Schlieffen Plan to conquer Paris in 1914, Russia tried the quick strike Putin plan to conquer Kiev in 2022. Both failed and a brutal war of attrition followed. A complete humiliation for Putin and Russia.

Ukraine is twice the size of Germany and armed by NATO.
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In reply to smh • 3:14p, 2/19/26
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< History has shown to live under a dictator can be worse than death. If someone kicked open my front door and said my house was now theirs I would fight to my last breath to change that dynamic up to and including violence. For a lot of people living under the rule of a person who seeks to exterminate your culture and your people is not something they are willing to live with. Better to die with your boots on than crawling on your belly with a boot on your neck.

better yet, live in a free country (to the extent possible) # ice sucks, big time

I agree 100% when that option is available.
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In reply to Aunburdened • 4:37p, 2/19/26
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BI Ukraine war truthers lucky I don't know their home addresses. I would absolutely do this.

Somehow it doesn't surprise me that you would gladly commit felonies for a few laughs.
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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 5:57p, 2/19/26
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BI Ukraine war truthers lucky I don't know their home addresses. I would absolutely do this.


Somehow it doesn't surprise me that you would gladly commit felonies for a few laughs.

C'mon, get some skin in the game. Show us how much Ukrainian self-determination means to you.
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In reply to Aunburdened • 7:08p, 2/19/26
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BI Ukraine war truthers lucky I don't know their home addresses. I would absolutely do this.

The "truthers" are the people who keep insisting that the US started this war, more so than the country that actually sent an invading army in and tried to take the capital.
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In reply to Cal88 • 3:47a, 2/20/26
An independent journalist I read on ocassion 18 months, two years ago, traveled throughout Europe. He said the Ukranians with vulgar wealth were in prominent spots with visible, over-the-top displays of wealth for everyone to see.
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In reply to sycasey • 3:49a, 2/20/26
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Aunburdened said:
BI Ukraine war truthers lucky I don't know their home addresses. I would absolutely do this.

The "truthers" are the people who keep insisting that the US started this war, more so than the country that actually sent an invading army in and tried to take the capital.


This is the history you purposefully ignore.
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In reply to sycasey • 3:56a, 2/20/26
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Cal88 said:
sycasey said:
Cal88 said:
Putin doesn't want to exterminate Ukraine, he wants a neutral Ukraine whose government and ruling culture isn't openly hostile to Russia and the large Ukrainian Russian minority.

Translation: he wants a Ukraine that is under his control. Ukrainians, by and large, do not want that. That's why there is a war.

If Ukrainians did want what Putin wanted, then there would be no war and all the Western "help" for Ukraine wouldn't mean anything. They don't.


Russia would be happy with a neutral Ukraine, same way the Soviets were happy with a neutral Finland for many decades.

The majority of Ukrainians want a settlement with Russia and their Donbas provinces, and thousands of their men are being sent to the frontlines against their will.

Ukraine had 50 million people in 1990, today, less than 20 million inside their current borders.

Yeah, a bunch of people got killed or decided to flee because Russia attacked.

The Soviets were "happy" with a neutral Finland because the Finns proved that they could beat them back and make any invasion extremely costly, much as Ukraine is doing now. It wasn't out of the goodness of their Russian hearts. A very good argument for why Ukraine needs to continue fighting.


You buried the leads. Finland's victories were temporary, the conflict was brief, and Finland signed peace deals and conceded lands.

AI: "The Moscow Peace Treaty (March 12, 1940) ended the 105-day Winter War between Finland and the Soviet Union, forcing Finland to cede 9% of its territory, including Karelia. Later, the 1944 Moscow Armistice ended the Continuation War with further concessions, including Petsamo and the leasing of Porkkala, lasting until 1956."
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In reply to Aunburdened • 1:25a, 2/21/26
Nobody is stopping Europe from joining in and protecting Ukraine lol. They want to pull us into this.
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In reply to MinotStateBeav • 11:21a, 2/21/26
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Nobody is stopping Europe from joining in and protecting Ukraine lol. They want to pull us into this.

. . . they are doing that?

https://www.axios.com/2026/02/19/ukraine-russia-war-europe-aid-arms
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In reply to sycasey • 1:06p, 2/21/26
sycasey said:
MinotStateBeav said:
Nobody is stopping Europe from joining in and protecting Ukraine lol. They want to pull us into this.

. . . they are doing that?

https://www.axios.com/2026/02/19/ukraine-russia-war-europe-aid-arms

No?
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In reply to sycasey • 2:31p, 2/21/26
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MinotStateBeav said:
Nobody is stopping Europe from joining in and protecting Ukraine lol. They want to pull us into this.

. . . they are doing that?

Have to, given putin's asset trump was elected. # f'g red states
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In reply to Aunburdened • 5:59p, 2/21/26
Dummy, or compromised?
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In reply to Aunburdened • 7:38p, 2/23/26
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Lacks foundation.
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7:47p, 2/23/26
The Ukraine War just got a lot closer.


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8:15a, 2/24/26
February 24, 2026, marks the 4th anniversary of Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

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12:01p, 2/24/26
The EU is vile, punishing those who won't support the Ukraine - Russia bloodbath.

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12:44p, 2/25/26
> Nobody believed that Putin would invade Ukraine. Four years on, has Europe learned from the failures of 2022?

iirc it's a freebie, so if you've got the time here's the link..
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/25/nobody-believed-that-putin-would-invade-ukraine-four-years-on-has-europe-learned-from-the-failures-of-2022?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=bsky_gu&utm_medium=&utm_source=Bluesky#Echobox=1772034948


^ A poster of Putin being used as target practice in Ukraine's Luhansk region in early 2022.
Photograph: Anatolii Stepanov/AFP/Getty Images
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Ukraine Battlefield Dead Could Reach 500,000 in Fifth Year, Estimates Suggest - The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/24/world/europe/ukraine-war-deaths.html

"Journalists from the independent Russian news outlet Mediazona and the BBC Russian Service published new results on Tuesday of their effort, dating to the early months of the invasion, to compile the number of Russian soldiers who have died. Their count is based on verified names in obituaries, cemetery burials, social media reports from relatives, probate records and other Russian state data.

The outlets updated their tally of verified Russian deaths to 200,186 but emphasized that the figure "remains a conservative floor, not a ceiling."They identified nearly 27,000 Russian cities, towns and villages that sent soldiers to Ukraine who were ultimately killed.

The Center for Strategic and International Studies, based in Washington, recently said that Russia had suffered up to 325,000 deaths on the battlefield. The number appears to be a reasonable projection, given the confirmed numbers from Mediazona and the BBC Russian Service, which do not fully capture battlefield deaths from 2025 and 2026."

No major power has suffered anywhere near these number of casualties since the Second World War," said Seth Jones, a co-author of the C.S.I.S. study, noting that one exception could be Chinese losses during the Korean War, though estimates from that conflict vary widely. "It is just short of shocking."
The center's study estimated the number of wounded and killed on the Russian side, often referred to together as casualties, to be as many as 1.2 million."

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In reply to smh • 4:12p, 2/25/26
I saw War perform that song at Winterland in 1976.

They had a few pretty solid songs:

Spill the Wine (backing Eric Burdon), All Day Music, Slippin' Into Darkness, The World Is a Ghetto, Low Rider and The Cisco Kid.
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6:36p, 2/25/26
The real villains in this war, and the real picture in terms of its body count that sources like the NYT are still hiding from the public:

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7:12p, 2/25/26
Boris Johnson sucks, but I'm pretty sure the guy who sent an invading army into Ukraine is the "real villain" of the war.
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In reply to sycasey • 10:16p, 2/25/26
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Boris Johnson sucks, but I'm pretty sure the guy who sent an invading army into Ukraine is the "real villain" of the war.


This will the most braindead post you will have made in the 4 years and 375 pages of this thread.

Without Boris and his wh0remonging for the British MIC, 1.5 million Ukrainian soldiers would still be alive today, and Ukraine would have been the largest country in Europe and largely intact.

But no, Putin is a bad hombre.
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In reply to Cal88 • 11:43p, 2/25/26
Cal88 said:
sycasey said:
Boris Johnson sucks, but I'm pretty sure the guy who sent an invading army into Ukraine is the "real villain" of the war.


This will the most braindead post you will have made in the 4 years and 375 pages of this thread.

Without Boris and his wh0remonging for the British MIC, 1.5 million Ukrainian soldiers would still be alive today, and Ukraine would have been the largest country in Europe and largely intact.

But no, Putin is a bad hombre.

Without Putin invading Ukraine there is no war. Boris Johnson didn't force him to do that.

I say it's braindead to call anyone other than Putin the biggest villain here.
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In reply to sycasey • 6:32a, 2/26/26
sycasey said:
Cal88 said:
sycasey said:
Boris Johnson sucks, but I'm pretty sure the guy who sent an invading army into Ukraine is the "real villain" of the war.


This will the most braindead post you will have made in the 4 years and 375 pages of this thread.

Without Boris and his wh0remonging for the British MIC, 1.5 million Ukrainian soldiers would still be alive today, and Ukraine would have been the largest country in Europe and largely intact.

But no, Putin is a bad hombre.

With it Putin invading Ukraine there is no war. Boris Johnson didn't force him to do that.

I say it's braindead to call anyone other than Putin the biggest villain here.


Boris Johnson forced Putin to keep fighting by directly intervening to scrap the permanent peace agreement between the Zelensky and Russian governments in Istanbul that addressed all Russian concerns and would have settled the war only 2 months in. And now we find out he was paid by the British MIC to scuttle the Istanbul agreement, and all you have to say here is, Putin bad hombre??
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In reply to bearister • 6:40a, 2/26/26
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Ukraine Battlefield Dead Could Reach 500,000 in Fifth Year, Estimates Suggest - The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/24/world/europe/ukraine-war-deaths.html

"Journalists from the independent Russian news outlet Mediazona and the BBC Russian Service published new results on Tuesday of their effort, dating to the early months of the invasion, to compile the number of Russian soldiers who have died. Their count is based on verified names in obituaries, cemetery burials, social media reports from relatives, probate records and other Russian state data.

The outlets updated their tally of verified Russian deaths to 200,186 but emphasized that the figure "remains a conservative floor, not a ceiling."They identified nearly 27,000 Russian cities, towns and villages that sent soldiers to Ukraine who were ultimately killed.

The Center for Strategic and International Studies, based in Washington, recently said that Russia had suffered up to 325,000 deaths on the battlefield. The number appears to be a reasonable projection, given the confirmed numbers from Mediazona and the BBC Russian Service, which do not fully capture battlefield deaths from 2025 and 2026."

No major power has suffered anywhere near these number of casualties since the Second World War," said Seth Jones, a co-author of the C.S.I.S. study, noting that one exception could be Chinese losses during the Korean War, though estimates from that conflict vary widely. "It is just short of shocking."
The center's study estimated the number of wounded and killed on the Russian side, often referred to together as casualties, to be as many as 1.2 million."


Mediazona came under a lot of criticism for publishing estimates of Russian casualties that were far lower than those from official NATO sources and think tanks like CSIS here above. Mediazona's methodology was sound and their numbers were real, but under pressure they bumped up their estimates last year.

200k Russian dead is a ceiling, not a floor, especially since the casualty ratio from the last couple of years has become even more lopsided towards Russia due to Ukrainian recruits lacking training and hardware, and further advancements in Russian weapons (electronic countermeasures, more refined artillery, glide bombs etc).

The latest exchanges in dead body give you an idea of the casualty ratios between Russia and Ukraine:

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In reply to Cal88 • 8:15a, 2/26/26
Cal88 said:
sycasey said:
Cal88 said:
sycasey said:
Boris Johnson sucks, but I'm pretty sure the guy who sent an invading army into Ukraine is the "real villain" of the war.


This will the most braindead post you will have made in the 4 years and 375 pages of this thread.

Without Boris and his wh0remonging for the British MIC, 1.5 million Ukrainian soldiers would still be alive today, and Ukraine would have been the largest country in Europe and largely intact.

But no, Putin is a bad hombre.

With it Putin invading Ukraine there is no war. Boris Johnson didn't force him to do that.

I say it's braindead to call anyone other than Putin the biggest villain here.


Boris Johnson forced Putin to keep fighting by directly intervening to scrap the permanent peace agreement between the Zelensky and Russian governments in Istanbul that addressed all Russian concerns and would have settled the war only 2 months in. And now we find out he was paid by the British MIC to scuttle the Istanbul agreement, and all you have to say here is, Putin bad hombre??

Why did there even need to be a peace agreement? Did someone start a war?
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In reply to sycasey • 8:35a, 2/26/26
sycasey said:
Cal88 said:
sycasey said:
Cal88 said:
sycasey said:
Boris Johnson sucks, but I'm pretty sure the guy who sent an invading army into Ukraine is the "real villain" of the war.


This will the most braindead post you will have made in the 4 years and 375 pages of this thread.

Without Boris and his wh0remonging for the British MIC, 1.5 million Ukrainian soldiers would still be alive today, and Ukraine would have been the largest country in Europe and largely intact.

But no, Putin is a bad hombre.

With it Putin invading Ukraine there is no war. Boris Johnson didn't force him to do that.

I say it's braindead to call anyone other than Putin the biggest villain here.


Boris Johnson forced Putin to keep fighting by directly intervening to scrap the permanent peace agreement between the Zelensky and Russian governments in Istanbul that addressed all Russian concerns and would have settled the war only 2 months in. And now we find out he was paid by the British MIC to scuttle the Istanbul agreement, and all you have to say here is, Putin bad hombre??

Why did there even need to be a peace agreement? Did someone start a war?


Yes, the war was started in 2014 with over 10,000 mostly Donbas civilians killed by 2022. Ukrainian president Poroshenko is on record bragging about bombing the Donbas into submission and Donbas children growing up cowering in their basements.



There was, and still is, a need to resolve the Donbas situation among other issues, and the Istanbul Agreement did just that, before Boris was paid over a million dollar by the MIC to scuttle the permanent cease fire and push Ukraine towards a suicidal war of attrition with Russia that it cannot win.
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