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Unit2Sucks said:

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By all accounts (except Russians and people who amplify Kremlin propaganda), Ukraine has made strong progress in their offensive. When will the losses on Russian forces be too much for Putin to bear? LOL we all know he couldn't give a sh%t about his people dying.

Article here discusses the progress.

Twitter thread here from Mike Martin (former british sholdier who is a visiting fellow in war studies at Kings College.

Kharkiv and Kherson: A tale of two fronts

A map-illustrated thread

— Dr Mike Martin 🔶 (@ThreshedThought) September 7, 2022

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I go to Yahoo for two things:
1) News on Ukraine; and
2) Fantasy Football

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Unit2Sucks said:

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oski003 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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By all accounts (except Russians and people who amplify Kremlin propaganda), Ukraine has made strong progress in their offensive. When will the losses on Russian forces be too much for Putin to bear? LOL we all know he couldn't give a sh%t about his people dying.

Article here discusses the progress.

Twitter thread here from Mike Martin (former british sholdier who is a visiting fellow in war studies at Kings College.

Kharkiv and Kherson: A tale of two fronts

A map-illustrated thread

— Dr Mike Martin 🔶 (@ThreshedThought) September 7, 2022

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I go to Yahoo for two things:
1) News on Ukraine; and
2) Fantasy Football

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You should be careful - I heard someone from Pfizer is married to a person that used to work at Yahoo. Probably best to stick to children's healthcare defense.

But don't take my word for it, feel free to look at any reputable news source that isn't parroting Russian propaganda and you will find something similar. We don't know how it's going to end with this offensive, but we do know that Ukraine has had some success and Russia is taking heavy losses as well.

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Unit2Sucks said:

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oski003 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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oski003 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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By all accounts (except Russians and people who amplify Kremlin propaganda), Ukraine has made strong progress in their offensive. When will the losses on Russian forces be too much for Putin to bear? LOL we all know he couldn't give a sh%t about his people dying.

Article here discusses the progress.

Twitter thread here from Mike Martin (former british sholdier who is a visiting fellow in war studies at Kings College.

Kharkiv and Kherson: A tale of two fronts

A map-illustrated thread

— Dr Mike Martin 🔶 (@ThreshedThought) September 7, 2022

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I go to Yahoo for two things:
1) News on Ukraine; and
2) Fantasy Football

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You should be careful - I heard someone from Pfizer is married to a person that used to work at Yahoo. Probably best to stick to children's healthcare defense.

But don't take my word for it, feel free to look at any reputable news source that isn't parroting Russian propaganda and you will find something similar. We don't know how it's going to end with this offensive, but we do know that Ukraine has had some success and Russia is taking heavy losses as well.

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Wow, you truly are some kind of special. Objectivity evades you. It is cute that you found a source supporting your feelings. Normally, you are the one bashing sources because they don't support your feelings.

In other news...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/07/ukraine-kherson-offensive-casualties-ammunition/

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There's a pay wall unfortunately so I can't read that article but I've never pretended that Ukraine wasn't taking losses in this offensive. That doesn't mean it hasn't been a productive use of force. Russians are sustaining heavy losses as well and they have nothing to fight for.

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Unit2Sucks said:

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oski003 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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oski003 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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By all accounts (except Russians and people who amplify Kremlin propaganda), Ukraine has made strong progress in their offensive. When will the losses on Russian forces be too much for Putin to bear? LOL we all know he couldn't give a sh%t about his people dying.

Article here discusses the progress.

Twitter thread here from Mike Martin (former british sholdier who is a visiting fellow in war studies at Kings College.

Kharkiv and Kherson: A tale of two fronts

A map-illustrated thread

— Dr Mike Martin 🔶 (@ThreshedThought) September 7, 2022

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I go to Yahoo for two things:
1) News on Ukraine; and
2) Fantasy Football

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You should be careful - I heard someone from Pfizer is married to a person that used to work at Yahoo. Probably best to stick to children's healthcare defense.

But don't take my word for it, feel free to look at any reputable news source that isn't parroting Russian propaganda and you will find something similar. We don't know how it's going to end with this offensive, but we do know that Ukraine has had some success and Russia is taking heavy losses as well.

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Wow, you truly are some kind of special. Objectivity evades you. It is cute that you found a source supporting your feelings. Normally, you are the one bashing sources because they don't support your feelings.

In other news...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/07/ukraine-kherson-offensive-casualties-ammunition/

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There's a pay wall unfortunately so I can't read that article but I've never pretended that Ukraine wasn't taking losses in this offensive. That doesn't mean it hasn't been a productive use of force. Russians are sustaining heavy losses as well and they have nothing to fight for.

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Unit2Sucks said:

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dimitrig said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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oski003 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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oski003 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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By all accounts (except Russians and people who amplify Kremlin propaganda), Ukraine has made strong progress in their offensive. When will the losses on Russian forces be too much for Putin to bear? LOL we all know he couldn't give a sh%t about his people dying.

Article here discusses the progress.

Twitter thread here from Mike Martin (former british sholdier who is a visiting fellow in war studies at Kings College.

Kharkiv and Kherson: A tale of two fronts

A map-illustrated thread

— Dr Mike Martin 🔶 (@ThreshedThought) September 7, 2022

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I go to Yahoo for two things:
1) News on Ukraine; and
2) Fantasy Football

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You should be careful - I heard someone from Pfizer is married to a person that used to work at Yahoo. Probably best to stick to children's healthcare defense.

But don't take my word for it, feel free to look at any reputable news source that isn't parroting Russian propaganda and you will find something similar. We don't know how it's going to end with this offensive, but we do know that Ukraine has had some success and Russia is taking heavy losses as well.

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Wow, you truly are some kind of special. Objectivity evades you. It is cute that you found a source supporting your feelings. Normally, you are the one bashing sources because they don't support your feelings.

In other news...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/07/ukraine-kherson-offensive-casualties-ammunition/

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There's a pay wall unfortunately so I can't read that article but I've never pretended that Ukraine wasn't taking losses in this offensive. That doesn't mean it hasn't been a productive use of force. Russians are sustaining heavy losses as well and they have nothing to fight for.

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The purpose of the offensive isn't to take and hold land. In fact, Ukraine doesn't want its troops advancing far beyond the front where supply chain becomes an issue.

The purpose is to make Russia commit soldiers in the south and also to disrupt Russia's own supply chain. Russia had been under the assumption that this area was conquered and complacent, so much so that they were going to hold elections to ask the citizens if they wanted to join Russia. The offensive is designed to disrupt the relative peace and remind Russia and the local citizenry that there is still a war going on.

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I think you are vastly underselling what Ukraine hopes to do.

Will they be ultimately successful? Odds are long but Russia is really bad at war and is beginning to rely on ancient soviet munitions they are purchasing from NK. Right now both sides are taking heavy losses but it sounds like Ukraine is making solid progress against the short-term objectives it sought to achieve. This is all bad news for Russia, despite the Kremlin's pathetic attempts to pretend otherwise. Fortunately for Putin, he maintains an autocratic kleptocracy and can continue to send out young men (and now older conscripts, as they are running out of young people willing to die for a pittance) to sacrifice at the alter of his revanchist dreams.

This was isn't ending any time soon.

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dimitrig said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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dimitrig said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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oski003 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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oski003 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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By all accounts (except Russians and people who amplify Kremlin propaganda), Ukraine has made strong progress in their offensive. When will the losses on Russian forces be too much for Putin to bear? LOL we all know he couldn't give a sh%t about his people dying.

Article here discusses the progress.

Twitter thread here from Mike Martin (former british sholdier who is a visiting fellow in war studies at Kings College.

Kharkiv and Kherson: A tale of two fronts

A map-illustrated thread

— Dr Mike Martin 🔶 (@ThreshedThought) September 7, 2022

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I go to Yahoo for two things:
1) News on Ukraine; and
2) Fantasy Football

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You should be careful - I heard someone from Pfizer is married to a person that used to work at Yahoo. Probably best to stick to children's healthcare defense.

But don't take my word for it, feel free to look at any reputable news source that isn't parroting Russian propaganda and you will find something similar. We don't know how it's going to end with this offensive, but we do know that Ukraine has had some success and Russia is taking heavy losses as well.

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Wow, you truly are some kind of special. Objectivity evades you. It is cute that you found a source supporting your feelings. Normally, you are the one bashing sources because they don't support your feelings.

In other news...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/07/ukraine-kherson-offensive-casualties-ammunition/

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There's a pay wall unfortunately so I can't read that article but I've never pretended that Ukraine wasn't taking losses in this offensive. That doesn't mean it hasn't been a productive use of force. Russians are sustaining heavy losses as well and they have nothing to fight for.

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The purpose of the offensive isn't to take and hold land. In fact, Ukraine doesn't want its troops advancing far beyond the front where supply chain becomes an issue.

The purpose is to make Russia commit soldiers in the south and also to disrupt Russia's own supply chain. Russia had been under the assumption that this area was conquered and complacent, so much so that they were going to hold elections to ask the citizens if they wanted to join Russia. The offensive is designed to disrupt the relative peace and remind Russia and the local citizenry that there is still a war going on.

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I think you are vastly underselling what Ukraine hopes to do.

Will they be ultimately successful? Odds are long but Russia is really bad at war and is beginning to rely on ancient soviet munitions they are purchasing from NK. Right now both sides are taking heavy losses but it sounds like Ukraine is making solid progress against the short-term objectives it sought to achieve. This is all bad news for Russia, despite the Kremlin's pathetic attempts to pretend otherwise. Fortunately for Putin, he maintains an autocratic kleptocracy and can continue to send out young men (and now older conscripts, as they are running out of young people willing to die for a pittance) to sacrifice at the alter of his revanchist dreams.

This was isn't ending any time soon.

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Not really.

From the article you linked:

"The US has observed Ukrainian forces achieve some success in attacking Russian supply lines, with the intention of cutting off and isolating Russian troops currently deployed west of the Dnipro River, according to a senior US official."

Do they have stretch goals?

Yes, but this offensive is specifically designed to attack Russia's supply lines and stretch Russia's troops thin more than it is to reoccupy Kherson. On that front, I think that they are accomplishing their goals.

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All the pro Russia accounts have quickly gone from mocking the Ukrainian counteroffensive to practically begging for a negotiated “peace” settlement. A big tell that the pro-Putin fascists are losing faith.

— Matthew Avalos (@MatthewAvalos) September 8, 2022

Unit2Sucks said:

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dimitrig said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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dimitrig said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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oski003 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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oski003 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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By all accounts (except Russians and people who amplify Kremlin propaganda), Ukraine has made strong progress in their offensive. When will the losses on Russian forces be too much for Putin to bear? LOL we all know he couldn't give a sh%t about his people dying.

Article here discusses the progress.

Twitter thread here from Mike Martin (former british sholdier who is a visiting fellow in war studies at Kings College.

Kharkiv and Kherson: A tale of two fronts

A map-illustrated thread

— Dr Mike Martin 🔶 (@ThreshedThought) September 7, 2022

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I go to Yahoo for two things:
1) News on Ukraine; and
2) Fantasy Football

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You should be careful - I heard someone from Pfizer is married to a person that used to work at Yahoo. Probably best to stick to children's healthcare defense.

But don't take my word for it, feel free to look at any reputable news source that isn't parroting Russian propaganda and you will find something similar. We don't know how it's going to end with this offensive, but we do know that Ukraine has had some success and Russia is taking heavy losses as well.

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Wow, you truly are some kind of special. Objectivity evades you. It is cute that you found a source supporting your feelings. Normally, you are the one bashing sources because they don't support your feelings.

In other news...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/07/ukraine-kherson-offensive-casualties-ammunition/

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There's a pay wall unfortunately so I can't read that article but I've never pretended that Ukraine wasn't taking losses in this offensive. That doesn't mean it hasn't been a productive use of force. Russians are sustaining heavy losses as well and they have nothing to fight for.

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The purpose of the offensive isn't to take and hold land. In fact, Ukraine doesn't want its troops advancing far beyond the front where supply chain becomes an issue.

The purpose is to make Russia commit soldiers in the south and also to disrupt Russia's own supply chain. Russia had been under the assumption that this area was conquered and complacent, so much so that they were going to hold elections to ask the citizens if they wanted to join Russia. The offensive is designed to disrupt the relative peace and remind Russia and the local citizenry that there is still a war going on.

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I think you are vastly underselling what Ukraine hopes to do.

Will they be ultimately successful? Odds are long but Russia is really bad at war and is beginning to rely on ancient soviet munitions they are purchasing from NK. Right now both sides are taking heavy losses but it sounds like Ukraine is making solid progress against the short-term objectives it sought to achieve. This is all bad news for Russia, despite the Kremlin's pathetic attempts to pretend otherwise. Fortunately for Putin, he maintains an autocratic kleptocracy and can continue to send out young men (and now older conscripts, as they are running out of young people willing to die for a pittance) to sacrifice at the alter of his revanchist dreams.

This was isn't ending any time soon.

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Not really.

From the article you linked:

"The US has observed Ukrainian forces achieve some success in attacking Russian supply lines, with the intention of cutting off and isolating Russian troops currently deployed west of the Dnipro River, according to a senior US official."

Do they have stretch goals?

Yes, but this offensive is specifically designed to attack Russia's supply lines and stretch Russia's troops thin more than it is to reoccupy Kherson. On that front, I think that they are accomplishing their goals.

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I was more objecting to your last sentence which makes this seem like an attempt at a moral victory. There is a military strategy behind what they are doing. They also have retaken a few villages so it's not entirely accurate to say they aren't aiming to take any land. Ukraine is claiming they've retaken 270 square miles which is ... not nothing. Obviously the Kremlin isn't the only combatant engaged in information warfare, Ukraine has done it plenty, but there does appear to have been some gains made.

All the pro Russia accounts have quickly gone from mocking the Ukrainian counteroffensive to practically begging for a negotiated “peace” settlement. A big tell that the pro-Putin fascists are losing faith.

— Matthew Avalos (@MatthewAvalos) September 8, 2022

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Ukraine news LIVE: US official claims war is at 'PIVOTAL moment' as Zelensky's military continues to counter Putin | The US Sun


https://www.the-sun.com/news/5935189/news-ukraine-war-russia-latest-queen-putin/

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TAKEN: Yesterday, videos featured a RU officer captured on the Kharkiv front. He was assumed to be a local commander-- he was, in fact, Lieutenant General Andrei Sychevoi, General in command RU’s “West” Group. Sychevoi is the most senior Russian officer captured since WW II. https://t.co/6azJpXJvgz pic.twitter.com/DxZhpa698E

— Chuck Pfarrer | Indications & Warnings | (@ChuckPfarrer) September 9, 2022

This story which was leaked over a week ago, might have been one of the best deception efforts of the war, to make the Russians believe the Ukrainians were really going to focus on Kherson in a limited operation. Seems deliberate in hindsight. pic.twitter.com/4h3W1wdgk9

— Phillips P. OBrien (@PhillipsPOBrien) September 9, 2022

What force they do have is out of position for…several more days. If they’re smart, they’ll hold at the border of Kharkiv province (crossing into Russia is not something Ukraine is likely ready to do). If not, they will pick a less defensible line and throw in forces piecemeal.

— Alexander S. Vindman (@AVindman) September 10, 2022

is (vics or cannons):
Tanks: 40 (4 full strength co's)
APCs: 35
Command/Comms: 11
Engineering: 4
Air Def: 9
IFV: 50
TIGR/MRAP type: 5
Logi/Transpo: 47
(plus an Su-25 & Su-34)

As I've noted before, this is raw combat/direct combat support power, not the full complement of fuel

— Ukraine Memes for NATO Teens (@LivFaustDieJung) September 10, 2022

or cannon it owned, and then an adjacent brigade lost half it's strength.

There is no way to spin this as anything other than a MASSIVE, unseen since WWII (in such a short time), loss of Russian equipment that definitely outpaces Russia's capacity to reconstitute. The Russian

— Ukraine Memes for NATO Teens (@LivFaustDieJung) September 10, 2022

itself probably had no idea the level of success they could have, though I would assume they understand that Russia had stripped units from Kharkiv for Kherson and sought to take advantage of if- I am positive even they were shocked by the speed of Russian collapse. They've been

— Ukraine Memes for NATO Teens (@LivFaustDieJung) September 10, 2022

perhaps stiffening defensive lines to stop further bleed. I don't see a scenario where Russia can make (significant) offensive progress in Ukraine after this week.

But I'm just a cartoon dog with a passion for SALW & ground weapon systems.

Look to the experts.

— Ukraine Memes for NATO Teens (@LivFaustDieJung) September 10, 2022

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Lots of interesting info coming out of Ukraine.

First, it looks like pro-Ukrainian sentiment is on the rise in Crimea. The Russian ruler there is looking to go Handmaids Tale style on the population because they no longer feel like they need to pretend to love Mother Russia.

Kremlin-appointed head of Crimea Aksyonov is annoyed that at public events in Crimea people are chanting Ukrainian nationalist slogans and singing songs in the same spirit. pic.twitter.com/IFh2SXN4Ic

— Leonid ХВ Ragozin (@leonidragozin) September 12, 2022

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Source: Sergey Aksyonov, head of the Russian occupation government in Crimea, on Telegram

Quote from Aksyonov: "Footage from public gatherings that have recently begun to be shared online shows people chanting pro-Ukrainian slogans and singing nationalist songs.
I believe that both the organisers and the participants of such gatherings have to be held responsible and fired; other appropriate law enforcement measures should also be taken.
It would be more rational and logical for those who support the Ukrainian regime to leave [Crimea] for the country that they love so much."

Details: In his video address, Aksyonov clarified that he meant holding people criminally responsible for such actions. He said that residents of Russian-occupied Crimea will be identified based on the footage of the events and fired; their business will be shut down.

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⚡️Ukrainian intelligence: Russian occupiers begin leaving Crimea, southern Ukraine with their families.

An “urgent evacuation” of Russian proxies, intelligence officers, and military commanders is taking place, the Main Intelligence Directorate said.

— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) September 13, 2022

Goldman seems to think Europe has solved its natural gas crisis without Russia. Not exactly good news for a kleptocrat petro-state. Maybe that's why so many prominent Russians have been defenestrated of late.

Goldman says Europe has “successfully solved” the puzzle on how to face the winter without Russian natural gas. Prices likely to drop by more than half, they say.#OOTT (h/t @JeffSonnenfeld) pic.twitter.com/phXLPj7hzV

— Carl Quintanilla (@carlquintanilla) September 13, 2022

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6 months in exchange for a pardon. https://t.co/sIxUh2Rq3M

— Beau of The Fifth Column (@BeauTFC) September 17, 2022