Cal88 said:

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First of all, Russia is doing well economically, its currency has strengthened and has been remarkably stable in 2022. In fact the Rouble has been the strongest currency in the world:

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DiabloWags said:

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When someone claims that the Russian Ruble has been remarkably stable in 2022.

If this is what someone thinks is "stable" . . . I'd hate to know what their definition of "volatile" is.

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Bad rhetoric, Wags, that's the kind of bad faith argument that lawyers like U2sucks like to indulge in.

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Cal88 said:

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You're latching on a fairly minor aspect about the Rouble, volatility during Spring, after it was the target of sanctions, nit-picking and ignoring the fact that it has been the strongest currency worldwide with a substantial appreciation vs the US$ and every other currency worldwide.

How would you, as a former commodities trader, characterize the performance of the Rouble this year? Is this the chart of a currency which has had a bad year, or is in serious trouble?

How do you think the Rouble is going to perform over the next 12 months? How likely is it to collapse, or appreciate? I predict it will hold on in the same range vs the USD and appreciate vs the Euro,, Pound etc.

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If NATO were concerned about people not starving and freezing this winter, perhaps they wouldn't have blown up Nordstream.

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blungld said:

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Cal88 said:

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If NATO were concerned about people not starving and freezing this winter, perhaps they wouldn't have blown up Nordstream.

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I'm sure that you think that your anti-West, anti-Ukraine, anti-UN, anti-Ukraine, and pro-Russian posts are super objective and really really intellectual and politically sophisticated. They're not.

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Cal88 said:

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blungld said:

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Cal88 said:

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If NATO were concerned about people not starving and freezing this winter, perhaps they wouldn't have blown up Nordstream.

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I'm sure that you think that your anti-West, anti-Ukraine, anti-UN, anti-Ukraine, and pro-Russian posts are super objective and really really intellectual and politically sophisticated. They're not.

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Neither is this comment. If you want to address any of my "anti-Ukraine, anti-UN, anti-Ukraine, and pro-Russian" posts with a bit more substance, be my guest.

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blungld said:

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Cal88 said:

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blungld said:

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Cal88 said:

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If NATO were concerned about people not starving and freezing this winter, perhaps they wouldn't have blown up Nordstream.

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I'm sure that you think that your anti-West, anti-Ukraine, anti-UN, anti-Ukraine, and pro-Russian posts are super objective and really really intellectual and politically sophisticated. They're not.

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Neither is this comment. If you want to address any of my "anti-Ukraine, anti-UN, anti-Ukraine, and pro-Russian" posts with a bit more substance, be my guest.

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Well if you are granting guest's wishes, how about you stop posting stupid crap?

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Cal88 said:

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blungld said:

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Cal88 said:

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If NATO were concerned about people not starving and freezing this winter, perhaps they wouldn't have blown up Nordstream.

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I'm sure that you think that your anti-West, anti-Ukraine, anti-UN, anti-Ukraine, and pro-Russian posts are super objective and really really intellectual and politically sophisticated. They're not.

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Neither is this comment. If you want to address any of my "anti-Ukraine, anti-UN, anti-Ukraine, and pro-Russian" posts with a bit more substance, be my guest.

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movielover said:

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Is the Donbas critical to the USA? No. But it is to Russia.

Ukraine Britain (USA?) stopped peace talks, and Ex-President-In-Disgrace Trump has urged appeasement peace. Through my myopic dirt covered lenses, it appears the Deep State / State Dept / Blinken want war, but like everything else, I'm probably wrong about that.

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movielover said:

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Zelenskyy: There will never be peace talks with Putin

Ukraine's president hit out after referendum 'farce.

https://www.politico.eu/article/volodymyr-zelenskyy-peace-talks-vladimir-putin-russia-ukraine/

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movielover said:

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Hungarian Conservative: The War Could Have Ended Months Ago But the West Didn't Want It To

Washington's goal in aiding Ukraine is to 'see Russia weakened'

Fiona Hill wrote: "'According to multiple former senior U.S. officials we spoke with, in April 2022, Russian and Ukrainian negotiators appeared to have tentatively agreed on the outlines of a negotiated interim settlement: Russia would withdraw to its position on February 23, when it controlled part of the Donbas region and all of Crimea, and in exchange, Ukraine would promise not to seek NATO membership and instead receive security guarantees from a number of countries.'"

https://www.hungarianconservative.com/articles/politics/the-war-could-have-ended-months-ago-but-the-west-didnt-want-it-to/

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DiabloWags said:

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Cal88 said:

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blungld said:

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Cal88 said:

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If NATO were concerned about people not starving and freezing this winter, perhaps they wouldn't have blown up Nordstream.

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I'm sure that you think that your anti-West, anti-Ukraine, anti-UN, anti-Ukraine, and pro-Russian posts are super objective and really really intellectual and politically sophisticated. They're not.

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Neither is this comment. If you want to address any of my "anti-Ukraine, anti-UN, anti-Ukraine, and pro-Russian" posts with a bit more substance, be my guest.

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I did, pointing out your ridiculous comment regarding the Ruble being remarkably stable in 2022.

As I suggested yesterday, feel free to post a 10 year chart of the ruble to provide some context too.

Then maybe you might put down your Russian "pom-poms".

But I doubt you will.

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sycasey said:

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movielover said:

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Hungarian Conservative: The War Could Have Ended Months Ago But the West Didn't Want It To

Washington's goal in aiding Ukraine is to 'see Russia weakened'

Fiona Hill wrote: "'According to multiple former senior U.S. officials we spoke with, in April 2022, Russian and Ukrainian negotiators appeared to have tentatively agreed on the outlines of a negotiated interim settlement: Russia would withdraw to its position on February 23, when it controlled part of the Donbas region and all of Crimea, and in exchange, Ukraine would promise not to seek NATO membership and instead receive security guarantees from a number of countries.'"

https://www.hungarianconservative.com/articles/politics/the-war-could-have-ended-months-ago-but-the-west-didnt-want-it-to/

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Yes, Russia should be weakened so they don't try invading any more neighbors.

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Cal88 said:

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sycasey said:

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movielover said:

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Hungarian Conservative: The War Could Have Ended Months Ago But the West Didn't Want It To

Washington's goal in aiding Ukraine is to 'see Russia weakened'

Fiona Hill wrote: "'According to multiple former senior U.S. officials we spoke with, in April 2022, Russian and Ukrainian negotiators appeared to have tentatively agreed on the outlines of a negotiated interim settlement: Russia would withdraw to its position on February 23, when it controlled part of the Donbas region and all of Crimea, and in exchange, Ukraine would promise not to seek NATO membership and instead receive security guarantees from a number of countries.'"

https://www.hungarianconservative.com/articles/politics/the-war-could-have-ended-months-ago-but-the-west-didnt-want-it-to/

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Yes, Russia should be weakened so they don't try invading any more neighbors.

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The main tool that is being used in an attempt to weaken Russia is Ukrainian cannon fodder. Some reports now emerging indicate that the total number of Ukrainian soldiers killed since February is between 200,000 and 300.000.

How much more "weakening" do you suggest we should do?

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Cal88 said:

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sycasey said:

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movielover said:

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Hungarian Conservative: The War Could Have Ended Months Ago But the West Didn't Want It To

Washington's goal in aiding Ukraine is to 'see Russia weakened'

Fiona Hill wrote: "'According to multiple former senior U.S. officials we spoke with, in April 2022, Russian and Ukrainian negotiators appeared to have tentatively agreed on the outlines of a negotiated interim settlement: Russia would withdraw to its position on February 23, when it controlled part of the Donbas region and all of Crimea, and in exchange, Ukraine would promise not to seek NATO membership and instead receive security guarantees from a number of countries.'"

https://www.hungarianconservative.com/articles/politics/the-war-could-have-ended-months-ago-but-the-west-didnt-want-it-to/

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Yes, Russia should be weakened so they don't try invading any more neighbors.

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The main tool that is being used in an attempt to weaken Russia is Ukrainian cannon fodder. Some reports now emerging indicate that the total number of Ukrainian soldiers killed since February is between 200,000 and 300.000.

How much more "weakening" do you suggest we should do?

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Cal88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Cal88 said:

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blungld said:

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Cal88 said:

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If NATO were concerned about people not starving and freezing this winter, perhaps they wouldn't have blown up Nordstream.

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I'm sure that you think that your anti-West, anti-Ukraine, anti-UN, anti-Ukraine, and pro-Russian posts are super objective and really really intellectual and politically sophisticated. They're not.

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Neither is this comment. If you want to address any of my "anti-Ukraine, anti-UN, anti-Ukraine, and pro-Russian" posts with a bit more substance, be my guest.

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I did, pointing out your ridiculous comment regarding the Ruble being remarkably stable in 2022.

As I suggested yesterday, feel free to post a 10 year chart of the ruble to provide some context too.

Then maybe you might put down your Russian "pom-poms".

But I doubt you will.

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Of course the Ruble wasn't stable throughout 2022, but there is no doubt that it survived a concerted full-spectrum economic warfare attack from the West, and did so with flying colors:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ukraine-ruble-currency-russian-economy-sanctioms-2022/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-11/russian-ruble-surpasses-brazilian-real-as-world-s-best-currency?leadSource=uverify%20wall

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/international-business/mocked-as-rubble-by-biden-russias-ruble-comes-roaring-back/articleshow/90698363.cms

Bottom line - the Ruble has been the best-performing currency in the world this year, I think even the blue and yellow icon crowd will grudgingly acknowledge that.

Where the currency was 10 years ago is largely irrelevant.

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Cal88 said:

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sycasey said:

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movielover said:

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Hungarian Conservative: The War Could Have Ended Months Ago But the West Didn't Want It To

Washington's goal in aiding Ukraine is to 'see Russia weakened'

Fiona Hill wrote: "'According to multiple former senior U.S. officials we spoke with, in April 2022, Russian and Ukrainian negotiators appeared to have tentatively agreed on the outlines of a negotiated interim settlement: Russia would withdraw to its position on February 23, when it controlled part of the Donbas region and all of Crimea, and in exchange, Ukraine would promise not to seek NATO membership and instead receive security guarantees from a number of countries.'"

https://www.hungarianconservative.com/articles/politics/the-war-could-have-ended-months-ago-but-the-west-didnt-want-it-to/

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Yes, Russia should be weakened so they don't try invading any more neighbors.

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The main tool that is being used in an attempt to weaken Russia is Ukrainian cannon fodder. Some reports now emerging indicate that the total number of Ukrainian soldiers killed since February is between 200,000 and 300.000.

How much more "weakening" do you suggest we should do?

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movielover said:

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For years numerous historians and talking heads said putting NATO in Ukraine was crossing a red line. We didn't let Russia set up shop in Cuba

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Cal88 said:

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sycasey said:

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movielover said:

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Hungarian Conservative: The War Could Have Ended Months Ago But the West Didn't Want It To

Washington's goal in aiding Ukraine is to 'see Russia weakened'

Fiona Hill wrote: "'According to multiple former senior U.S. officials we spoke with, in April 2022, Russian and Ukrainian negotiators appeared to have tentatively agreed on the outlines of a negotiated interim settlement: Russia would withdraw to its position on February 23, when it controlled part of the Donbas region and all of Crimea, and in exchange, Ukraine would promise not to seek NATO membership and instead receive security guarantees from a number of countries.'"

https://www.hungarianconservative.com/articles/politics/the-war-could-have-ended-months-ago-but-the-west-didnt-want-it-to/

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Yes, Russia should be weakened so they don't try invading any more neighbors.

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The main tool that is being used in an attempt to weaken Russia is Ukrainian cannon fodder. Some reports now emerging indicate that the total number of Ukrainian soldiers killed since February is between 200,000 and 300.000.

How much more "weakening" do you suggest we should do?

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sycasey said:

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movielover said:

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For years numerous historians and talking heads said putting NATO in Ukraine was crossing a red line. We didn't let Russia set up shop in Cuba

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Ukraine is not in NATO.

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movielover said:

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They've applied for fast-track consideration.

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movielover said:

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Cal88 said:

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sycasey said:

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movielover said:

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Hungarian Conservative: The War Could Have Ended Months Ago But the West Didn't Want It To

Washington's goal in aiding Ukraine is to 'see Russia weakened'

Fiona Hill wrote: "'According to multiple former senior U.S. officials we spoke with, in April 2022, Russian and Ukrainian negotiators appeared to have tentatively agreed on the outlines of a negotiated interim settlement: Russia would withdraw to its position on February 23, when it controlled part of the Donbas region and all of Crimea, and in exchange, Ukraine would promise not to seek NATO membership and instead receive security guarantees from a number of countries.'"

https://www.hungarianconservative.com/articles/politics/the-war-could-have-ended-months-ago-but-the-west-didnt-want-it-to/

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Yes, Russia should be weakened so they don't try invading any more neighbors.

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The main tool that is being used in an attempt to weaken Russia is Ukrainian cannon fodder. Some reports now emerging indicate that the total number of Ukrainian soldiers killed since February is between 200,000 and 300.000.

How much more "weakening" do you suggest we should do?

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Obama Presidency - Putin invades Crimea
Trump Presidency - peace; PDT sent Javelina missiles to Ukraine
Biden Presidency - Putin invades Donbas

For years numerous historians and talking heads said putting NATO in Ukraine was crossing a red line. We didn't let Russia set up shop in Cuba

We're funding the proxy war, Ukraine will lose generations of men (and families), and we'll pay to rebuild Ukraine. What exactly does "losing" look like to Putin? This amateur hour is why we're on the verge of the use of tactical nuclear weapons.

FWIW, Fiona Hill is a hack, and Blinken is incompetent.

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