The Official Russian Invasion of Ukraine Thread

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Unit2Sucks said:


When Trump is calling you a genius and complimenting your strategy, you have to wonder where you went wrong.

The Ruble collapsed another 25% this morning.
And they didnt even bother to open their stock market this morning.
Gee, I wonder why?

That $600 Billion in Russian central bank reserves is hefty, but I dont think that it will survive this onslaught.
The U.S. just cut their central bank off from conducting global dollar transactions.
This will make their pile of reserves, essentially useless.

Inflation will now go through the roof in Russia as the value of the ruble will continue to collapse, unabated.

The boa constrictor that is NATO has its prey in its grasp.

As Peggy Noonan said over the weekend:

The West is on the right side. It should keep its height, keep its nerve and hold together. Be cool, press hard, resist.

Let the world see what happens to a man who does what Vladimir Putin is doing. Show gravity.

Because it's all very grave.
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Kremlin 'sends more than 400 mercenaries from private militia into Kyiv to assassinate President Zelensky and his government' - with group told peace talks are 'smoke and mirrors'
  • Private militia known as the Wagner Group 'flown in from Africa five weeks ago'
  • It is run by oligarch Yevgeny Prigozhin, a close ally of the Russian president
  • Highly trained operatives have a 23-strong kill list including the PM and cabinet


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World's largest cargo aircraft was destroyed during a Russian attack on an airfield, Ukrainian minister says

  • Cargo plane Anotov AN-225 Mriya was destroyed, according to Ukraine's minister of foreign affairs.
  • A defense reporter for the Kyiv Independent made similar comments on Sunday.
  • US-funded media Radio Liberty posted a picture purporting to show the plane in flames.

The world's biggest aircraft, the Antonov-225 cargo plane, was destroyed by Russian forces while it was under repair at an airfield in Gostomel near Kyiv, according to Ukraine's state-run Ukroboronprom.
Restoration of the aircraft, known as Mriya, will take more than five years at a cost of over $3 billion following the attack, Ukroboronprom said in a statement dated Sunday, adding that it aimed to ensure Russia covers the costs.
"Russia has hit the Mriya as a symbol of Ukraine's aviation capabilities," the company said.

was designed by the Antonov Design Bureau in the Ukrainian SSR within the Soviet Union during the 1980s. Originally, this unique aircraft was developed as an enlargement of the Antonov An-124 to transport Buran-class orbiters. After successfully fulfilling its Soviet military missions, it was mothballed for eight years. It was then refurbished and reintroduced into commercial operation with Antonov Airlines, carrying oversized payloads. While a second airframe with a slightly different configuration was partially built, construction was halted more than once due to a lack of funding and interest.
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The Russians are out of all international sports competitions.



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What did the jet liner do to deserve that
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Last Friday, Formula One cancelled the Russian Grand Prix that takes place in Sochi in September.
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concordtom said:

Trump loves Putin, not freedom or democracy.

****ing *******!

"I mean, he's taking over a country for $2 worth of sanctions," Trump said. "I'd say that's pretty smart. He's taking over a country literally a vast, vast location, a great piece of land with a lot of people, and just walking right in."


I've been thinking about this "$2 worth of sanctions" quote. Given the Russian stock market is estimated to be down over 50% in the last month (probably much more when it re-opens) because of sanctions, does that mean I could have purchased every share of every Russian stock for under the price of a Happy Meal before the invasion? Now I'm pissed I didn't pick that up when I was cleaning out the change from my cup holder last week.
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Some pretty amazing photos here of citizenry preparing for ugly street warfare.
This includes women and children preparing molotov cocktails and welders preparing metal barriers in the streets.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/photos-ukrainian-civilians-prepare-for-war-175857069.html
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List of all the organizations taking sanctions on Russia.
Even Switzerland is shutting them out. No more neutrality here!
Impressive list.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/how-the-world-punished-russia-for-invading-ukraine-192732724.html
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Sebastabear said:

concordtom said:

Trump loves Putin, not freedom or democracy.

****ing *******!

"I mean, he's taking over a country for $2 worth of sanctions," Trump said. "I'd say that's pretty smart. He's taking over a country literally a vast, vast location, a great piece of land with a lot of people, and just walking right in."


I've been thinking about this "$2 worth of sanctions" quote. Given the Russian stock market is estimated to be down over 50% in the last month (probably much more when it re-opens) because of sanctions, does that mean I could have purchased every share of every Russian stock for under the price of a Happy Meal before the invasion? Now I'm pissed I didn't pick that up when I was cleaning out the change from my cup holder last week.
I think Trump is going to find that the $2 is more like $2T. Or $20T after years and years over sanctions.

Let's see... grab some quick figures:

In 2020, the GDP in Russia was around 1.48 trillion U.S. dollars.
In 2021, Russia exported around 55.5 billion U.S. dollars' worth of natural gas to other countries worldwide.
The value of Russian exports of crude oil amounted to over 110.1 billion U.S. dollars in 2021

.... Okay, I over-estimated.
I guess the only thing BIG about Russia are their nukes, their geographic footprint, and the brazenness of their autocratic ruler.
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concordtom said:

Some pretty amazing photos here of citizenry preparing for ugly street warfare.
This includes women and children preparing molotov cocktails and welders preparing metal barriers in the streets.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/photos-ukrainian-civilians-prepare-for-war-175857069.html
Getting the strong sense that Russia is going to come to regret inspiring the Finns to invent the Molotov cocktail. For those not familiar with the etymology.


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The name "Molotov cocktail" was coined by the Finns during the Winter War, called Molotovin koktaili in Finnish. The name was a pejorative reference to Soviet foreign minister Vyacheslav Molotov, who was one of the architects of the MolotovRibbentrop Pact signed in late August 1939.

The name's origin came from the propaganda Molotov produced during the Winter War, mainly his declaration on Soviet state radio that bombing missions over Finland were actually airborne humanitarian food deliveries for their starving neighbours.As a result, the Finns sarcastically dubbed the Soviet cluster bombs "Molotov bread baskets" in reference to Molotov's propaganda broadcasts. When the hand-held bottle firebomb was developed to attack and destroy Soviet tanks, the Finns called it the "Molotov cocktail", as "a drink to go with his food parcels".

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I hope the Russian generals that have control of the nuke levers have the same agreement amongst themselves that American generals had when tRump was POTUS:

The "No Cray Cray Launches Agreement."
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Cicero Grimes: "Well now... just what do you think Hell is gonna look like, Mr. Putin?"
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I tried to tell y'all no European men shouldn't be calling any global /government shots.


If you were alive during Jim Crow (clearly have benefited and didn't do everything to stop it ) you need to be enjoying bingo or golf.
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going4roses said:

I tried to tell y'all no European men shouldn't be calling any global /government shots.



Absurd.
Youre literally sounding like a version of HTP.

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going4roses said:

I tried to tell y'all no European men shouldn't be calling any global /government shots.
Do you think there is something specific to having European ancestry that makes you worse at this? If so, why?
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Sebastabear said:


Getting the strong sense that Russia is going to come to regret inspiring the Finns to invent the Molotov cocktail. For those not familiar with the etymology.


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The name "Molotov cocktail" was coined by the Finns during the Winter War, called Molotovin koktaili in Finnish. The name was a pejorative reference to Soviet foreign minister Vyacheslav Molotov, who was one of the architects of the MolotovRibbentrop Pact signed in late August 1939.

The name's origin came from the propaganda Molotov produced during the Winter War, mainly his declaration on Soviet state radio that bombing missions over Finland were actually airborne humanitarian food deliveries for their starving neighbours.As a result, the Finns sarcastically dubbed the Soviet cluster bombs "Molotov bread baskets" in reference to Molotov's propaganda broadcasts. When the hand-held bottle firebomb was developed to attack and destroy Soviet tanks, the Finns called it the "Molotov cocktail", as "a drink to go with his food parcels".


And these aren't our grandfathers' cocktails either:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/t15ji6/ukrainian_civilians_making_molotovs_in/

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going4roses said:

I tried to tell y'all no European men shouldn't be calling any global /government shots.


If you were alive during Jim Crow (clearly have benefited and didn't do everything to stop it ) you need to be enjoying bingo or golf.


Who are you talking about? I don't think anyone in government now could have personally done anything to stop Jim Crow.
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Russia and the West's emerging nuclear threat - Axios


https://www.axios.com/the-emerging-nuclear-threat-069e7d51-709e-4041-b2f6-6b493a9ac018.html
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BearNIt said:

If you think China isn't watching you are an idiot. Putin has set the blueprint for invading a sovereign nation. Is Taiwan next?
Oh, China is watching alright...
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Zelensky is out Putining Putin, except without the corruption and sociopathy.



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In case you're wondering why helltolose and others hold the opinions they currently do.

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bearister said:

I hope the Russian generals that have control of the nuke levers have the same agreement amongst themselves that American generals had when tRump was POTUS:

The "No Cray Cray Launches Agreement."
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DiabloWags said:

going4roses said:

I tried to tell y'all no European men shouldn't be calling any global /government shots.



Absurd.
Youre literally sounding like a version of HTP.


Not to mention - it's a double negative.
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Unit2Sucks said:

going4roses said:

I tried to tell y'all no European men shouldn't be calling any global /government shots.


If you were alive during Jim Crow (clearly have benefited and didn't do everything to stop it ) you need to be enjoying bingo or golf.


Who are you talking about? I don't think anyone in government now could have personally done anything to stop Jim Crow.
Supreme Court, for 1.
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concordtom said:

Unit2Sucks said:

going4roses said:

I tried to tell y'all no European men shouldn't be calling any global /government shots.


If you were alive during Jim Crow (clearly have benefited and didn't do everything to stop it ) you need to be enjoying bingo or golf.


Who are you talking about? I don't think anyone in government now could have personally done anything to stop Jim Crow.
Supreme Court, for 1.
wut? What current members of SCOTUS had a chance to stop Jim Crow?

Meanwhile ...

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Zelensky declares Russia 'a terrorist state' following Kharkiv attack



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That 45 mile long Russian convoy that is approaching Kiev has got to be the biggest military strategic blunder in the making. I'm sure I'm not the only one that has thought out loud what a few A-10 "Warthogs" would do to that convoy.

A-10 'Warthog' Thunderbolt II | Military.com
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Fiona Hill on Putin:

'Yes, He Would': Fiona Hill on Putin and Nukes (yahoo.com)


Putin has articulated an idea of there being a "Russky Mir" or a "Russian World." The recent essay he published about Ukraine and Russia states the Ukrainian and Russian people are "one people," a "yedinyi narod." He's saying Ukrainians and Russians are one and the same. This idea of a Russian World means re-gathering all the Russian-speakers in different places that belonged at some point to the Russian tsardom.
I've kind of quipped about this but I also worry about it in all seriousness that Putin's been down in the archives of the Kremlin during Covid looking through old maps and treaties and all the different borders that Russia has had over the centuries. He's said, repeatedly, that Russian and European borders have changed many times. And in his speeches, he's gone after various former Russian and Soviet leaders, he's gone after Lenin and he's gone after the communists, because in his view they ruptured the Russian empire, they lost Russian lands in the revolution, and yes, Stalin brought some of them back into the fold again like the Baltic States and some of the lands of Ukraine that had been divided up during World War II, but they were lost again with the dissolution of the USSR. Putin's view is that borders change, and so the borders of the old Russian imperium are still in play for Moscow to dominate now.

Reynolds: Dominance in what way?

Hill: It doesn't mean that he's going to annex all of them and make them part of the Russian Federation like they've done with Crimea. You can establish dominance by marginalizing regional countries, by making sure that their leaders are completely dependent on Moscow, either by Moscow practically appointing them through rigged elections or ensuring they are tethered to Russian economic and political and security networks. You can see this now across the former Soviet space.

We've seen pressure being put on Kazakhstan to reorient itself back toward Russia, instead of balancing between Russia and China, and the West. And just a couple of days before the invasion of Ukraine in a little-noticed act, Azerbaijan signed a bilateral military agreement with Russia. This is significant because Azerbaijan's leader has been resisting this for decades. And we can also see that Russia has made itself the final arbiter of the future relationship between Armenia and Azerbaijan. Georgia has also been marginalized after being a thorn in Russia's side for decades. And Belarus is now completely subjugated by Moscow.

But amid all this, Ukraine was the country that got away. And what Putin is saying now is that Ukraine doesn't belong to Ukrainians. It belongs to him and the past. He is going to wipe Ukraine off the map, literally, because it doesn't belong on his map of the "Russian world." He's basically told us that. He might leave behind some rump statelets. When we look at old maps of Europe probably the maps he's been looking at you find all kinds of strange entities, like the Sanjak of Novi Pazar in the Balkans. I used to think, what the hell is that? These are all little places that have dependency on a bigger power and were created to prevent the formation of larger viable states in contested regions. Basically, if Vladimir Putin has his way, Ukraine is not going to exist as the modern-day Ukraine of the last 30 years.
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DiabloWags said:

That 45 mile long Russian convoy that is approaching Kiev has got to be the biggest military strategic blunder in the making. I'm sure I'm not the only one that has thought out loud what a few A-10 "Warthogs" would do to that convoy.

A-10 'Warthog' Thunderbolt II | Military.com



Why is it a strategic military blunder? Does Ukraine have A-10 Warthogs in the sky?
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Ukraine: what we know on day six of Russia's invasion


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/01/ukraine-what-we-know-day-six-russia-invasion?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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DiabloWags said:

That 45 mile long Russian convoy that is approaching Kiev has got to be the biggest military strategic blunder in the making. I'm sure I'm not the only one that has thought out loud what a few A-10 "Warthogs" would do to that convoy.

A-10 'Warthog' Thunderbolt II | Military.com

Supposedly Ukraine has operational aircraft plus Poland has sen a few more. I wonder what they are waiting for?
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