sycasey said:
MinotStateBeav said:
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
MinotStateBeav said:
Sebastabear said:
MinotStateBeav said:
Unit2Sucks said:
Tucker asking the disingenuous questions. He's really gunning for Russian media personality of the year.
Those are actually legitimate questions.
What if Tucker Carlson is a Russian asset embedded to destroy American democracy? What if he maintains a dacha in Vladivostok where he plays pinochle with Putin on his days off? I mean those seem like legitimate questions too and honestly far more likely to be true than the "fake corpses planted in a Russian occupied city to make Putin look bad" theory.
Also completely fair to ask those questions, I don't agree, but I'm not going to shout you down for asking them.
Well, except for them being monumentally stupid and idiotic questions and a total waste of air time that could have been devoted to meaningful questions. I suppose you still think questioning whether the dead school kids ar Sandy Hook were actually crisis actors was a legitimate question too. It's got about as much logic.
Everything that doesn't follow your ideology becomes stupid and idiotic. It's a problem with democrats currently. They can't picture themselves on the other side of the divide.
Why does the other side of the divide have to be "maybe Putin was justified for invading?"
Tucker Carlson may very well be a Russian asset, but calling for more information about the alleged massacre in Bucha is the only reasonable course of action.
The reasoning is simple: the timeline doesn't add up.
Wed, 3/30: Russian troops left Bucha (according to the Russian Defense Ministry);
Thu, 3/31: Anatolii Fedoruk, mayor of Bucha,
announces a "
Day of Liberation of Bucha"; "This day will go down in the glorious history of Bucha and the entire Bucha community as a
day of liberation by the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the Russian occupiers."
Fri, 4/1: "Ekaterina Ukraintsiva, representing the [Bucha] town council authority, appeared on an information video on the
Bucha Live Telegram page wearing military fatigues and seated in front of a Ukrainian flag to announce 'the cleansing of the city.' She informed residents that the arrival of the Azov battalion did not mean that liberation was complete [but it was, the Russians had fully withdrawn], and that a 'complete sweep' had to be performed."
Sat, 4/2:
++ NYT
reports completion of Russian withdrawal from Bucha, "leaving behind dead soldiers and burned vehicles", with no mention of a massacre;
++ Left Bank, a U.S./EU-funded Ukrainian language site, announces: "Special forces [Azov Battalion] have begun a clearing operation in the city of Bucha in the Kyiv region, which has been liberated by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
The city is being cleared from saboteurs and accomplices of Russian forces."
++
Photos posted of Bucha massacre, blaming Russian troops [who had already been run outta town] for the killings;
Whenever there are reports of the killings of innocent civilians, it's important to remember that all Ukrainian men aged 18-60 were
required by law to stay and fight against Russian forces. Were there really any "innocent civilians"? Or were they compelled, by the declared martial law, to be combatants?
Could the Bucha massacre victims have been pacifists who refused to fight?
It's also important to remember that throughout the entire Ukraine support for U.S./EU/NATO policies vs alignment with Russia was pretty evenly mixed, with the West more U.S.-aligned, and the East more Russia-aligned. Were there Russian sympathizers in Bucha who signaled their surrender to Russian troops?
There are many open questions that need answering. Unfortunately, no investigation is forthcoming.
When Putin started his troop buildup on Ukraine's Eastern border, I urged you guys to believe very little of what you hear from the media on this conflict. I stand by my statement even more so today.
Everything from Western MSM is urging escalation of the conflict on Ukraine's behalf, tighter economic sanctions, and the ouster of Putin. The fact that Russia's defense policy authorizes the first use of nuclear weapons for their own defense doesn't seem to give anyone in Washington a 2nd thought.
Nor does our track record with economic sanctions and their lack of success -- except the unintended consequence of consolidating support for the despot
du jour.
As I said before, both Zelensky and Putin have had enough, and are ready to negotiate an end to this ordeal. Then Biden, who's kept the zealots from unbridled escalation thus far, calls Putin a "war criminal", somehow forgetting that the U.S. still refuses to recognize the International Criminal Court in The Hague, and still refuses to ratify the Rome Statute.
The U.S. Neocons believe that they're close to the regime change in Russia that they've wanted all along, and they aren't about to let their agenda get derailed by a peace agreement.
Bottom line: Believe very little of what you hear on Ukraine. Assume that
everything that reaches you is propaganda, until proven otherwise. Everyone has an agenda, and they're more committed to their agenda than the truth.
Primary source:
Questions Abound About Bucha Massacre, Consortium News