dimitrig said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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24 years ago today, NATO began its illegal war against Yugoslavia.
When the media criticized the bombing - NATO bombed the media outlet. When China criticized the bombing - NATO bombed the Chinese embassy. Then a criminal tribunal was set up that would not investigate NATO. pic.twitter.com/j2y7yLT3ag

— Glenn Diesen (@Glenn_Diesen) March 24, 2023

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Yugoslavia didn't exist 24 years ago. It had already broken itself up.

What NATO was doing there was trying to stop the Serbian genocide in Kosovo.

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Yes, they do the same thing to Hillary by lying that she caused the Libyan civil war even though that was well underway by the time Obama/Hillary intervened to prevent a massacre by Ghaddafi. It's all to attack liberals who are staunch opponents of autocracy.

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And before someone comes in here with a pedantic comment: yes, technically at the time Milosevic was still calling the combination of Serbia and Montenegro "Yugoslavia," but it was not the Yugoslavia of old. That had already broken up years before.

Finally, the military intervention actually worked (one of the rare times it did): the war ended, and there has been peace since. It's pretty weird that all the Putin stans are citing this relative success story as evidence of NATO being bad.

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Not weird at all once you realize their stance is that anything the West does is bad and inferior to Russia.

I have noticed that Russia has stopped threatening nuclear war. I am guessing the US and China put them in their place.

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. Not sure what the Putin stans are saying, but Russia literally threatened nuclear retaliation YESTERDAY on any country harming or arresting Putin.

oski003 said:

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dimitrig said:

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sycasey said:

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movielover said:

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24 years ago today, NATO began its illegal war against Yugoslavia.
When the media criticized the bombing - NATO bombed the media outlet. When China criticized the bombing - NATO bombed the Chinese embassy. Then a criminal tribunal was set up that would not investigate NATO. pic.twitter.com/j2y7yLT3ag

— Glenn Diesen (@Glenn_Diesen) March 24, 2023

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Yugoslavia didn't exist 24 years ago. It had already broken itself up.

What NATO was doing there was trying to stop the Serbian genocide in Kosovo.

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Yes, they do the same thing to Hillary by lying that she caused the Libyan civil war even though that was well underway by the time Obama/Hillary intervened to prevent a massacre by Ghaddafi. It's all to attack liberals who are staunch opponents of autocracy.

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And before someone comes in here with a pedantic comment: yes, technically at the time Milosevic was still calling the combination of Serbia and Montenegro "Yugoslavia," but it was not the Yugoslavia of old. That had already broken up years before.

Finally, the military intervention actually worked (one of the rare times it did): the war ended, and there has been peace since. It's pretty weird that all the Putin stans are citing this relative success story as evidence of NATO being bad.

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Not weird at all once you realize their stance is that anything the West does is bad and inferior to Russia.

I have noticed that Russia has stopped threatening nuclear war. I am guessing the US and China put them in their place.

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. Not sure what the Putin stans are saying, but Russia literally threatened nuclear retaliation YESTERDAY on any country harming or arresting Putin.

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I haven't been paying attention so I guess I missed that.

I thought they were past their "tough guy" stage.

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It's been 7 weeks since Kremlin propagandist Bebo predicted Bakhmut would fall to Russia within days. If you can't trust Russian state media masquerading as "independent" observer in order to fool useful idiots, who can you trust?

Not that anyone needs any reminders but this is how the firehose of falsehoods works. Bebo is a state run account that posts dozens of tweets per day and is designed to be amplified by radicalized Americans in order to favor Russia's narrative. It is an incredibly effective ROI and will continue to succeed. The "blessing" of accounts like this through the stupid new Twitter blue check is the chef's kiss.

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Russia has been making steady progress in Bakhmut, despite Ukraine having thrown the kitchen sink at them. Russia claims that Ukraine has lost 11,000 KIA in the month of February on the Bakhmut front alone.

This is one of the channels that has good, precise and neutral coverage of the frontline situations, using geolocation and open source intel. It has a short wrapup of the entire front almost daily, and it shows steady advances by the Russians in Bakhmut, which is still surrounded on 3 sides with the only way in and out being a muddy road:

Wagner Breaksthrough Southern Bakhmut Reaching The Center | Full Front Update 25/03/23 https://t.co/CbBvbo4gcf

— Weeb Union (@WeebUnionWar) March 25, 2023

Is this bc they're Russian Orthodox priests in northern Ukraine?

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Is this bc they're Russian Orthodox priests in northern Ukraine?

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Yes, these are members of the original Russian Orthodox Church, from which the Ukrainian branch split off IIRC. Their monasteries are being shut down, the Kyiv government is seizing their relics.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/26/europe/wagner-in-control-of-bakhmut-azom-plant-intl-hnk/index.html

Russia control Bakhmut's plant.

Clinton News Network: Russian mercenary chief announces plans to recruit 30,000 more fighters

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/18/europe/wagner-prigozhin-russia-ukraine-recruits-intl-cmd/index.html

In Bakhmut, PMC Wagner attacks from all sides in the city, and Ukrainian columns with reserves are covered with artillery pic.twitter.com/IVNgjRUJi3

— Spriter (@spriter99880) March 26, 2023

The Russians have been advancing steadily albeit at a fairly slow pace, due to Ukraine continuing to pour a lot of its military resources into this battle. At some point a few weeks ago it looked like the front was going to collapse, but Ukraine sent in large reinforcements, mostly from the northern sector and Belarus border, in addition to the usual flow of conscripts and foreign fighter contingent mostly from Poland and Georgia.

As a result, Ukraine's long-planned Spring offensive, where they planned to use new NATO equipment including several dozen Leopard tanks. thousands of newly trained troops and their remaining stash of ammunition, is being delayed. The defense of Bakhmut has been a drain on Ukrainian forces:

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Zelensky: Ukraine can't start counteroffensive yet due to weapon shortage

Zelensky acknowledged that the situation in the east of Ukraine was "not good" due to a "lack of ammunition," as Russian forces fire three times more shells than the Ukrainian troops daily.

"We are waiting for ammunition from our partners," he said.

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https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-ukraine-cant-start-counteroffensive-yet/

Ukraine is experiencing severe losses and manpower issues:

#Ukranian fighters want the world to know!
" We are being killed! Out of 475 people, 50 remained! Of these, 30 wash the A$$ of the battalion commander, chop wood and making macaroni " there's only us 20 that's still fighting This is criminal!
No #peace, means more will be dead pic.twitter.com/ilehpocQWL

— Arthur Morgan (@ArthurM40330824) March 23, 2023

Front-line medics near Bakhmut, the main hotspot of the war, are under enormous pressure as Ukrainian soldiers’ casualties mount due to Russia’s seemingly endless attacks. https://t.co/tDgrATVdmV

— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) March 25, 2023

Not too gory though there are bodies. Some have Polish flag patches and etc...

Video : Ukrainian positions in Avdeevka were captured by the Russians.Some soldiers of the AFU were killed during the attack. And here it is: All those who died here were Poles and Georgians. That… pic.twitter.com/oZnekLSi0d

— GraphicW (@GraphicW5) March 26, 2023

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In his 2022 victory speech, Hungary Prime Minister Orban warned citizens of the NATO and western allied countries about the manipulation of Ukraine and how he views the Zelenskyy regime: […] "while speaking to supporters on Sunday, Orban singled out Zelenskyy as part of the "overwhelming force" that he said his party had struggled against in the election "the left at home, the international left, the Brussels bureaucrats, the Soros empire with all its money, the international mainstream media, and in the end, even the Ukrainian president."

Now USAID Administrator Samantha Power doing her dirty work in Hungary, seeding NGOs.

https://rumble.com/v29a3te-usaid-in-hungary.html

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I think NATO has expanded too far. I think Hungary and Turkey should be out of NATO.

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Of course you do because you don't understand the geopolitics of Turkey. Kicking them out of NATO would be epic levels of stupid.

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Or, I'm less interested in having bad allies because of geopolitics.

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In his 2022 victory speech, Hungary Prime Minister Orban warned citizens of the NATO and western allied countries about the manipulation of Ukraine and how he views the Zelenskyy regime: […] "while speaking to supporters on Sunday, Orban singled out Zelenskyy as part of the "overwhelming force" that he said his party had struggled against in the election "the left at home, the international left, the Brussels bureaucrats, the Soros empire with all its money, the international mainstream media, and in the end, even the Ukrainian president."

Now USAID Administrator Samantha Power doing her dirty work in Hungary, seeding NGOs.

https://rumble.com/v29a3te-usaid-in-hungary.html

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I think NATO has expanded too far. I think Hungary and Turkey should be out of NATO.

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Of course you do because you don't understand the geopolitics of Turkey. Kicking them out of NATO would be epic levels of stupid.

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Or, I'm less interested in having bad allies because of geopolitics.

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Dajo9's Diplomatic Plan

He's coming up with 32.33% chance repeating...of course...for success.

UN accuses Russia and Ukraine of ‘summary executions’ of prisoners.

I had been hearing only of Russia doing that. https://t.co/7uKGDSkezS

— Max Abrahms (@MaxAbrahms) March 26, 2023

Some dudes are going to find themselves on the wrong side of open windows soon.

Making rounds in the Russian and Ukrainian internet today is an alleged leaked recording of a phone call between a notable Russian music producer Iosif Prigozhin (not Wagner's Prigozhin) and Farkhad Akhmedov, an Azerbaijani businessman and a former politician in Russia.

In this… pic.twitter.com/GY7imT62bM

— Dmitri (@wartranslated) March 26, 2023

follow-up:

Russians react to the leaked call between producer Iosif Prigozhin and Farkham Akhmedov. They clearly believe that the call was real. Russian volunteer Anastasiya Kashevarova sums it up quite nicely: traitors who stole from the country that fed them, and even now all they think… pic.twitter.com/MJrP8FTR3q

— Dmitri (@wartranslated) March 27, 2023

More seriously, Trent Telenko has a recent thread on Russian casualties. Given the fog of war we have no real way to evaluate these sorts of claims but that doesn't necessarily mean that they should be casually dismissed in their entirety.

So while the numbers may or may not be reliable, it does bring a few things to the forefront that are obviously missing from Russian propaganda. The first is that when Russia talks about casualties, in does not count private military contractors (eg Wagner) or "independent" militias (eg LPR/DNR), each of which they definitely count as part of their fighting forces when they want to falsely project strength. I wouldn't be surprised if they also consider militia casualties to be Ukrainian casualties because the Kremlin is trying to salvage what has been one awful campaign after another by pretending to accomplish something other than barely treading water (and slowly sinking) for the vast majority of the past year of this unprovoked and extremely unsuccessful invasion.

I remain skeptical of either side reporting anything resembling accurate numbers but I think it's safe to say that Russia continues to not give a sh(t about its losses while Ukraine's are not taken lightly because they actually have something to fight for and a semblance of a goal in this war. Ukrainians should not be put in the position of having to defend their homeland and Russian mobiks should not be sent out in waves to the slaughter because Putin is a corrupt kleptocratic authoritarian. The vast majority of the people dying in this war, like almost every other, are blameless for their circumstances and have only Putin to blame for their circumstances.

What is blindingly obvious is that the Russian shills are desperately trying to avoid right now is anyone mentioning that the vaunted Russian offensive they were all crowing about a few months ago seems to have netted absolutely nothing. At best they will have Bakhmut to show for it as a pyrrhic victory - one they have been throwing waves of meat at for the last 8 months. This is after several months of non-stop chatter about how this war was about to be check-mated by Russia.

That's why we continue to see the firehose of falsehoods, and why they keep moving the goalposts to pretend like this grand offensive they've been promising for so long was really just a slow methodical campaign to take one small vacant city with no real strategic value to either side. What happened to the 300k men that Russia famously claims to have mobilized last fall? We'll never know because they've moved onto a new set of falsehoods. If you have any exposure to Russian propaganda through Twitter or elsewhere (including, I would assume, this forum if you are not as liberal with the ignore button as I am), you will see the pattern.

I've gone deeply into the subject of battle casualties, non-battle casualties and KIA to WIA casualty ratios in previous threads like this. So I'm going to do cliff notes to cut to the strategic point.

At a 2 dead to 3 wounded casualty ratio,

2/https://t.co/QaYjItU8NF

— Trent Telenko (@TrentTelenko) March 27, 2023

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In his 2022 victory speech, Hungary Prime Minister Orban warned citizens of the NATO and western allied countries about the manipulation of Ukraine and how he views the Zelenskyy regime: […] "while speaking to supporters on Sunday, Orban singled out Zelenskyy as part of the "overwhelming force" that he said his party had struggled against in the election "the left at home, the international left, the Brussels bureaucrats, the Soros empire with all its money, the international mainstream media, and in the end, even the Ukrainian president."

Now USAID Administrator Samantha Power doing her dirty work in Hungary, seeding NGOs.

https://rumble.com/v29a3te-usaid-in-hungary.html

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I think NATO has expanded too far. I think Hungary and Turkey should be out of NATO.

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Of course you do because you don't understand the geopolitics of Turkey. Kicking them out of NATO would be epic levels of stupid.

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Agreed, Hungary is nearly useless, but Turkey is vitally important to NATO's strength.

Strength versus who?

Trump temporarily changed some of that.

Why pay for a cow when the milk is free? https://t.co/1YZTk8Q5D6

— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) March 27, 2023

When that country was destroyed by one of the bloodiest wars of all time, ushering the Bolshevik genocides?