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Russian economy continues to implode.

Russian companies reporting in the first quarter of this year the biggest shortage of personnel since data collection began in 1998, according to the Russian Central Bank.

The loss of human capital is a disaster for their economy.

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Goldener Bar said:

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Here's the problem with your argument

Absent the threat of NATO, Russia has no reason to feel threatened by Ukraine.

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Russia faced no threat from Ukraine anyway.

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Cal88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Russian economy continues to implode.

Russian companies reporting in the first quarter of this year the biggest shortage of personnel since data collection began in 1998, according to the Russian Central Bank.

The loss of human capital is a disaster for their economy.

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That's a pretty contorted way of saying Russia has no unemployment, lulz!

The Russian economy is the best it's been since the early 1900s, they have low inflation, no unemployment and no debt, with very large and growing primary and secondary industrial sectors.

No other country in Europe has this kind of positive economic situation, most countries would kill to have Russia's problem of a labor shortage, something which hasn't happened in Europe since the 1960s.

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Cal88 said:

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sycasey said:

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Goldener Bar said:

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Here's the problem with your argument

Absent the threat of NATO, Russia has no reason to feel threatened by Ukraine.

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Russia faced no threat from Ukraine anyway.

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Those are some of the main threats Russia faced from Ukraine:

- A Banderist regime that is fanatically anti-Russian
- A Banderist regime that has stated its intent to develop a nuclear weapons program
- A Banderist regime that wants to reconquer Crimea against the will of Crimeans, and that openly stated that they would ethnically cleanse Crimea, just like they've tried to ethnically cleanse the Donbass.

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Unit2Sucks said:

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If you would just listen to the propaganda Russia wants you to hear you would see everything is going great in Russia. Their manufacturing sector is taking off and they now make the most advanced small FPV drones in the world.

Ooops

1/ QUICK THREAD on yet another critique of the Russian MOD's efforts to produce domestic drones and quadcopters - after a few were showcased at #SPIEF2023 and turned out to be Chinese drones under a Russian label. Main points below. https://t.co/oa6so4EyqX https://t.co/giQdoOZDnl pic.twitter.com/O7OWsVhIqI

— Samuel Bendett (@sambendett) June 15, 2023

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— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) June 15, 2023

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But you can tell by what's really going on that Putin has moved onto Plan B in Ukraine which was always his ultimate aim - destroy Ukraine and ensure there is no economic competition. That's why Russia blew up the dam and is using its artillery not for military gain but to wreak as much havoc as possible across Ukraine. A destroyed Ukraine has always been the end game. Just like Ellsberg showed that "bombing the ****" out of Vietnam didn't endear us to Vietnamese, Russia's destruction of Ukraine is not intended to benefit the Russian minority he pretends to care about. Adding Ukraine to Russian territory would have been a feather in his cap, but Putin will be perfectly happy to just eliminate Ukraine altogether.

There are signs that Russia has realized its imminent defeat in Ukraine and now wants to undermine Ukraine economically as much as possible.

The destruction of Kakhovka HPP was a strike on Ukraine's economy. Agricultural capacity of Ukrainian South has suffered unbelievable…

— Anton Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en) June 12, 2023

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You're confusing him with facts. The dirty munitions... not a UN violation? Where is the noble West?

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Cal88 said:

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sycasey said:

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Cal88 said:

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sycasey said:

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Goldener Bar said:

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Here's the problem with your argument

Absent the threat of NATO, Russia has no reason to feel threatened by Ukraine.

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Russia faced no threat from Ukraine anyway.

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Those are some of the main threats Russia faced from Ukraine:

- A Banderist regime that is fanatically anti-Russian
- A Banderist regime that has stated its intent to develop a nuclear weapons program
- A Banderist regime that wants to reconquer Crimea against the will of Crimeans, and that openly stated that they would ethnically cleanse Crimea, just like they've tried to ethnically cleanse the Donbass.

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Wow, Zelenskyy promised to do all that before the war?

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1- The Kiev regime is permeated with a fundamentally white supremacist, neo-nazi ideology that regards Russians and other minorities (Hungarians) as racially inferior 2nd class citizens. Nazi SS leader Bandera is widely regarded as the father of their twisted nation.

What made this overnight normalization of white supremacy possible? In their zeal to ignore anything negative about our Ukrainian allies, Western media has decided that a neo-Nazi military formation in a war-torn nation had suddenly stopped being neo-Nazi.https://t.co/6g6MPfP99I

— The Nation (@thenation) June 12, 2023

2- Zelensky and other Kiev officials like deputy foreign minister Melnik have openly stated that they intend to acquire nuclear weapons:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/16/ukraine-may-seek-nuclear-weapons-if-left-out-of-nato-diplomat

https://www.indianarrative.com/world-news/ukraines-president-zelensky-hints-at-developing-nuclear-weapons-after-nato-declares-it-will-not-confront-russia-32759.html

They have the material and know-how to build nuclear bombs.

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DiabloWags said:

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Russian economy continues to implode.

Russian companies reporting in the first quarter of this year the biggest shortage of personnel since data collection began in 1998, according to the Russian Central Bank.

The loss of human capital is a disaster for their economy.

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That's a pretty contorted way of saying Russia has no unemployment, lulz!

The Russian economy is the best it's been since the early 1900s, they have low inflation, no unemployment and no debt, with very large and growing primary and secondary industrial sectors.

No other country in Europe has this kind of positive economic situation, most countries would kill to have Russia's problem of a labor shortage, something which hasn't happened in Europe since the 1960s.

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Pretty bad when your favorite countries economic bragging point is Russia in the early 1900s. A period marked by riots, discontent, and revolution.

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Russia was a rising economic power in the pre-WW1 era. Much like Germany, which industrialized well after Britain only to surpass it, Russia industrialized even later, and started to reach its potential, which was even higher than Germany's. By 1900, Russia dominated the world agricultural market, accounting for about 1/3 of global wheat exports, which dispels the notion of Russians masses starving.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0014498398907069

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Abstract

Russian grain trade, production, and consumption during the Tsarist period (18611914) is empirically evaluated. Russia was the world's largest wheat exporter during this period. Tsarist Russian agriculture is often characterized in the literature as having been "backward" and not well-integrated with international markets. In contrast to this view, this analysis finds that the Russian grain trade was significantly influenced by international prices and was well-integrated with the international commercial wheat trade. Our results indicate that after 1880 regional wheat markets in Russia were linked and that a strong connection had been established between Russian ports and cities at the center of the world wheat trade.

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Russia also was at the forefront of scientific research, with scientists like Mendeleyev, Chebychev, Stoletov etc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_scientists

The social disturbances that Russia experienced in the 1900 are very similar to those that France experienced in the late 1960s with the color revolution of May 68. Back then France was the 3rd largest world economy and industrial power, producing the best airplanes, trains, nuclear powerplants in the world, with no debt or unemployment.

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At some point without them noticing, libs were told by their cult leaders to love war and they obeyed.

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dajo9 said:

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Cal88 said:

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Cal88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Russian economy continues to implode.

Russian companies reporting in the first quarter of this year the biggest shortage of personnel since data collection began in 1998, according to the Russian Central Bank.

The loss of human capital is a disaster for their economy.

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That's a pretty contorted way of saying Russia has no unemployment, lulz!

The Russian economy is the best it's been since the early 1900s, they have low inflation, no unemployment and no debt, with very large and growing primary and secondary industrial sectors.

No other country in Europe has this kind of positive economic situation, most countries would kill to have Russia's problem of a labor shortage, something which hasn't happened in Europe since the 1960s.

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Pretty bad when your favorite countries economic bragging point is Russia in the early 1900s. A period marked by riots, discontent, and revolution.

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Russia was a rising economic power in the pre-WW1 era. Much like Germany, which industrialized well after Britain only to surpass it, Russia industrialized even later, and started to reach its potential, which was even higher than Germany's. By 1900, Russia dominated the world agricultural market, accounting for about 1/3 of global wheat exports, which dispels the notion of Russians masses starving.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0014498398907069

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Abstract

Russian grain trade, production, and consumption during the Tsarist period (18611914) is empirically evaluated. Russia was the world's largest wheat exporter during this period. Tsarist Russian agriculture is often characterized in the literature as having been "backward" and not well-integrated with international markets. In contrast to this view, this analysis finds that the Russian grain trade was significantly influenced by international prices and was well-integrated with the international commercial wheat trade. Our results indicate that after 1880 regional wheat markets in Russia were linked and that a strong connection had been established between Russian ports and cities at the center of the world wheat trade.

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Russia also was at the forefront of scientific research, with scientists like Mendeleyev, Chebychev, Stoletov etc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_scientists

The social disturbances that Russia experienced in the 1900 are very similar to those that France experienced in the late 1960s with the color revolution of May 68. Back then France was the 3rd largest world economy and industrial power, producing the best airplanes, trains, nuclear powerplants in the world, with no debt or unemployment.

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Famine was common because the Tsar taxed peasant grain production for export to prop up his costly regime. With its industrialization, pre WWI Russia should have been a success. But, as typical for Russia, it's backward authoritarian government made it fail.

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Cal88 said:

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dajo9 said:

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Cal88 said:

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Cal88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Russian economy continues to implode.

Russian companies reporting in the first quarter of this year the biggest shortage of personnel since data collection began in 1998, according to the Russian Central Bank.

The loss of human capital is a disaster for their economy.

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That's a pretty contorted way of saying Russia has no unemployment, lulz!

The Russian economy is the best it's been since the early 1900s, they have low inflation, no unemployment and no debt, with very large and growing primary and secondary industrial sectors.

No other country in Europe has this kind of positive economic situation, most countries would kill to have Russia's problem of a labor shortage, something which hasn't happened in Europe since the 1960s.

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Pretty bad when your favorite countries economic bragging point is Russia in the early 1900s. A period marked by riots, discontent, and revolution.

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Russia was a rising economic power in the pre-WW1 era. Much like Germany, which industrialized well after Britain only to surpass it, Russia industrialized even later, and started to reach its potential, which was even higher than Germany's. By 1900, Russia dominated the world agricultural market, accounting for about 1/3 of global wheat exports, which dispels the notion of Russians masses starving.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0014498398907069

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Abstract

Russian grain trade, production, and consumption during the Tsarist period (18611914) is empirically evaluated. Russia was the world's largest wheat exporter during this period. Tsarist Russian agriculture is often characterized in the literature as having been "backward" and not well-integrated with international markets. In contrast to this view, this analysis finds that the Russian grain trade was significantly influenced by international prices and was well-integrated with the international commercial wheat trade. Our results indicate that after 1880 regional wheat markets in Russia were linked and that a strong connection had been established between Russian ports and cities at the center of the world wheat trade.

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Russia also was at the forefront of scientific research, with scientists like Mendeleyev, Chebychev, Stoletov etc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_scientists

The social disturbances that Russia experienced in the 1900 are very similar to those that France experienced in the late 1960s with the color revolution of May 68. Back then France was the 3rd largest world economy and industrial power, producing the best airplanes, trains, nuclear powerplants in the world, with no debt or unemployment.

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Famine was common because the Tsar taxed peasant grain production for export to prop up his costly regime. With its industrialization, pre WWI Russia should have been a success. But, as typical for Russia, it's backward authoritarian government made it fail.

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Starving pre-war Russian peasants is a popular image conveyed by western propaganda going way back two centuries ago, part of the economic rivalry between the global sea power (UK until WW1 then US) and the main land powers (Germany, Russia and now China).

Russia could not dominate the world wheat market in the 1900s without a modern infrastructure (rail, silos, ports, fleet etc). The Soviets whose symbol was the hammer and sickle ironically severely curtailed both Russian agricultural and industrial outputs, having culled their learned class and kulaks by the millions, using starvation as a domestic weapon against their people. It is not until Putin rebuilt their infrastructure and modernized their domestic harvesting equipment in the late 90s that Russia again became the dominant force in the world wheat market, much like it was in 1900.

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Wow, Zelenskyy promised to do all that before the war?

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1- The Kiev regime is permeated with a fundamentally white supremacist, neo-nazi ideology that regards Russians and other minorities (Hungarians) as racially inferior 2nd class citizens. Nazi SS leader Bandera is widely regarded as the father of their twisted nation.

2- Zelensky and other Kiev officials like deputy foreign minister Melnik have openly stated that they intend to acquire nuclear weapons:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/16/ukraine-may-seek-nuclear-weapons-if-left-out-of-nato-diplomat

https://www.indianarrative.com/world-news/ukraines-president-zelensky-hints-at-developing-nuclear-weapons-after-nato-declares-it-will-not-confront-russia-32759.html

They have the material and know-how to build nuclear bombs.

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Thank you for confirming that the Ukrainian government ONLY started talking about developing nuclear weapons or reconquering Crimea AFTER the Russian invasion of the mainland. Yet another example of Russia creating its own problems and then retroactively blaming everyone else.

As for the neo-nazi parties in Ukraine, they won zero seats in the parliament during Zelenskyy's last election and were little more than a fringe political element there (not dissimilar from other European countries who all have their own far-right nationalist elements). Again, if anything it's Russia's invasion that has strengthened their hand, as their militias have been seen as necessary for the fight.

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Cal88 said:

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Starving pre-war Russian peasants is a popular image conveyed by western propaganda going way back two centuries ago, part of the economic rivalry between the global sea power (UK until WW1 then US) and the main land powers (Germany, Russia and now China).

Russia could not dominate the world wheat market in the 1900s without a modern infrastructure (rail, silos, ports, fleet etc). The Soviets whose symbol was the hammer and sickle ironically severely curtailed both Russian agricultural and industrial outputs, having culled their learned class and kulaks by the millions, using starvation as a domestic weapon against their people. It is not until Putin rebuilt their infrastructure and modernized their domestic harvesting equipment in the late 90s that Russia again became the dominant force in the world wheat market, much like it was in 1900.

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There is a reason why starving pre war peasants is a popular image

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UE investigation: Former ombudswoman Lyudmila Denisova told fictional stories about rape to "help Ukraine"
Date:11:38, 27 june 2022

Former Verkhovna Rada Commissioner for Human Rights Lyudmila Denisova, while in office, made up scary stories about the rape of children by the Russian occupiers.
This conclusion was reached by Ukrayinska Pravda during its own investigation, which was published on June 27. The publication told the non-public side of Denisovas release.

...During the interrogation, as Ukrainian Pravda found out, Denisova admitted to the police that she had heard stories from her daughter, and she told that she told them to her mother "over a cup of tea", and Denisova allegedly explained that she told terrible stories because she wanted to win for Ukraine.

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"Russia shows us the same five pieces of broken equipment 1,000 times, from different resources and from different angles," the head of the Pentagon said.

He also added that it will be a tough battle, but the allies will "promote everything that Ukraine needs to be successful." pic.twitter.com/vZIqF0jxIW

— The New Voice of Ukraine (@NewVoiceUkraine) June 16, 2023

1/ The full text of an order promulgated by Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu on 8 June, requiring all mercenary groups in Russia to sign contracts with the Russian Ministry of Defence, has been published. ⬇️https://t.co/Ffls5c19Pe

— ChrisO_wiki (@ChrisO_wiki) June 17, 2023

1/ Chechen fighters of the Zapad-Ahmat battalion have arrived in a blaze of publicity to 'protect' the Belgorod region. However, local people say they're staying well back from the border and are "hiding" behind poorly trained and equipped conscripts. ⬇️pic.twitter.com/r1Tkd9ueRU

— ChrisO_wiki (@ChrisO_wiki) June 17, 2023

Residents of Belgorod region complained about looting by the Russian military

Russian soldiers are breaking into houses and stealing personal belongings in villages in Belgorod region from which the authorities removed local residents.

"They live in our houses, lead an ugly… pic.twitter.com/R7Nox2nz8C

— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) June 15, 2023

Select current and former Russian municipal officials signed an open letter calling on the Russian forces to return to the “universally” recognized Russian borders due to the crisis caused by the destruction of the #KakhovkaDam. https://t.co/ywHzDwDtJX https://t.co/Ls7uq85nP1 pic.twitter.com/3uIy8h2Bja

— ISW (@TheStudyofWar) June 17, 2023

Pro Russian sources are reporting huge drone losses due to EW equipment. pic.twitter.com/ezvhUx9IUV

— Radio & Nukes 🇺🇦 (@HamWa07) June 16, 2023

Robot for remote mining with anti-tank mines TM-62. 28th brigade of Ukrainehttps://t.co/DFRrT3TS7V pic.twitter.com/jcD2iOplJN

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) June 16, 2023

Russian writer and propagandist Maksim Kalashnikov malfunctioned while visiting "liberated" Donbas territories, specifically Toshkivka in the Severodonetsk district. He says this is now scorched earth and the military campaign should not have been run like this. pic.twitter.com/1IOWipDVFw

— Dmitri (@wartranslated) June 17, 2023

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Russia has great natural resources, abundant energy, an educated population, and now a growing relationship with China. It seems one Achilles heel is their low birth rate.

It looks like they've altered that trajectory some. I've wondered why they don't implement a major family initiative to get TFR above 2.1 (replacement level). Given their large land holdings, they could provide aggressively discounted homes for families with 3 children, and add even more perks for 4 or more children. A month paid vacation, free family vacation, etc.

If (when) they secure Eastern Ukraine, that will require significant investment, as will continued military expenditures.

What is their stance on immigration? They could lure Latinos - who share a similiar religion. Then there are increasing ties to India and China. They could also move to take some of the high-end industrial manufacturing that will leave Germany due to Green New Deal
policies.

Are the Russian mafias still strong?

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Starving pre-war Russian peasants is a popular image conveyed by western propaganda going way back two centuries ago, part of the economic rivalry between the global sea power (UK until WW1 then US) and the main land powers (Germany, Russia and now China).

Russia could not dominate the world wheat market in the 1900s without a modern infrastructure (rail, silos, ports, fleet etc). The Soviets whose symbol was the hammer and sickle ironically severely curtailed both Russian agricultural and industrial outputs, having culled their learned class and kulaks by the millions, using starvation as a domestic weapon against their people. It is not until Putin rebuilt their infrastructure and modernized their domestic harvesting equipment in the late 90s that Russia again became the dominant force in the world wheat market, much like it was in 1900.

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There is a reason why starving pre war peasants is a popular image

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And that reason is mainly based on propaganda, from the same folks that popularized the image of German Huns bayonetting babies in Belgium to prompt British and US participation in WW1.



A century later, Ukraine has produced very similar material, the same level of low-grade wartime propaganda, with one of their officials concocting stories of mass rapes of children and babies by Russian troops. She was so over the top with her baby rape stories that she had to resign:



https://babel.ua/en/news/80573-ue-investigation-former-ombudswoman-lyudmila-denisova-told-fictional-stories-about-rape-to-help-ukraine

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UE investigation: Former ombudswoman Lyudmila Denisova told fictional stories about rape to "help Ukraine"
Date:11:38, 27 june 2022

Former Verkhovna Rada Commissioner for Human Rights Lyudmila Denisova, while in office, made up scary stories about the rape of children by the Russian occupiers.
This conclusion was reached by Ukrayinska Pravda during its own investigation, which was published on June 27. The publication told the non-public side of Denisovas release.

...During the interrogation, as Ukrainian Pravda found out, Denisova admitted to the police that she had heard stories from her daughter, and she told that she told them to her mother "over a cup of tea", and Denisova allegedly explained that she told terrible stories because she wanted to win for Ukraine.

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There is a reason why starving pre war peasants is a popular image

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And that reason is mainly based on propaganda, from the same folks that popularized the image of German Huns bayonetting babies in Belgium to prompt British and US participation in WW1.



A century later, Ukraine has produced very similar material, the same level of low-grade wartime propaganda, with one of their officials concocting stories of mass rapes of children and babies by Russian troops. She was so over the top with her baby rape stories that she had to resign:



https://babel.ua/en/news/80573-ue-investigation-former-ombudswoman-lyudmila-denisova-told-fictional-stories-about-rape-to-help-ukraine

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UE investigation: Former ombudswoman Lyudmila Denisova told fictional stories about rape to "help Ukraine"
Date:11:38, 27 june 2022

Former Verkhovna Rada Commissioner for Human Rights Lyudmila Denisova, while in office, made up scary stories about the rape of children by the Russian occupiers.
This conclusion was reached by Ukrayinska Pravda during its own investigation, which was published on June 27. The publication told the non-public side of Denisovas release.

...During the interrogation, as Ukrainian Pravda found out, Denisova admitted to the police that she had heard stories from her daughter, and she told that she told them to her mother "over a cup of tea", and Denisova allegedly explained that she told terrible stories because she wanted to win for Ukraine.

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There is a reason why starving pre war peasants is a popular image

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And that reason is mainly based on propaganda, from the same folks that popularized the image of German Huns bayonetting babies in Belgium to prompt British and US participation in WW1.



A century later, Ukraine has produced very similar material, the same level of low-grade wartime propaganda, with one of their officials concocting stories of mass rapes of children and babies by Russian troops. She was so over the top with her baby rape stories that she had to resign:



https://babel.ua/en/news/80573-ue-investigation-former-ombudswoman-lyudmila-denisova-told-fictional-stories-about-rape-to-help-ukraine

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UE investigation: Former ombudswoman Lyudmila Denisova told fictional stories about rape to "help Ukraine"
Date:11:38, 27 june 2022

Former Verkhovna Rada Commissioner for Human Rights Lyudmila Denisova, while in office, made up scary stories about the rape of children by the Russian occupiers.
This conclusion was reached by Ukrayinska Pravda during its own investigation, which was published on June 27. The publication told the non-public side of Denisovas release.

...During the interrogation, as Ukrainian Pravda found out, Denisova admitted to the police that she had heard stories from her daughter, and she told that she told them to her mother "over a cup of tea", and Denisova allegedly explained that she told terrible stories because she wanted to win for Ukraine.

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You're propaganda isn't even worth responding to. You're a joke.

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I've provided clear answers supported by documents and facts, like how Denisova, the official Ukrainian congress human right commissioner was fired not for making up stories, but for those stories being too over the top and thus hurting the credibility of the Ukraine narrative, to which you have no answers.

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Betraeus, who gave classified documents to his young mistress.

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Reminder that Russian propaganda is only fooling fools. Obviously this will be met with a fury of (ignored) propaganda but you guys are either smart enough to decide for yourself what to trust or you are super dumb and believe the low-grade Russian propaganda which I would assume the usual suspects continue to flood the zone with.

"Russia shows us the same five pieces of broken equipment 1,000 times, from different resources and from different angles," the head of the Pentagon said.

He also added that it will be a tough battle, but the allies will "promote everything that Ukraine needs to be successful." pic.twitter.com/vZIqF0jxIW

— The New Voice of Ukraine (@NewVoiceUkraine) June 16, 2023

The internal fight between Prigozhin and Shoigu continues. Apparently Prigozhin delivered a contract to subordinate the Russian military to Wagner. It's hilarious but also would likely actually help Russia. The vast majority of Russian progress has been delivered by Wagner. Apart from the initial surge (which was largely a debacle), Russia has done virtually nothing over the last 16 months that wasn't driven by Wagner.

1/ The full text of an order promulgated by Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu on 8 June, requiring all mercenary groups in Russia to sign contracts with the Russian Ministry of Defence, has been published. ⬇️https://t.co/Ffls5c19Pe

— ChrisO_wiki (@ChrisO_wiki) June 17, 2023

More info on the continuing situation in Belgorod, and Russia's propaganda first strategy.

1/ Chechen fighters of the Zapad-Ahmat battalion have arrived in a blaze of publicity to 'protect' the Belgorod region. However, local people say they're staying well back from the border and are "hiding" behind poorly trained and equipped conscripts. ⬇️pic.twitter.com/r1Tkd9ueRU

— ChrisO_wiki (@ChrisO_wiki) June 17, 2023

Of course, rather than actually helping Russian citizens, they are just taking over their homes and looting them. We haven't had much use for the third amendment in this country, but it looks like Russian citizens sure could benefit from it, I mean if Putin actually cared about the rule of law.

Residents of Belgorod region complained about looting by the Russian military

Russian soldiers are breaking into houses and stealing personal belongings in villages in Belgorod region from which the authorities removed local residents.

"They live in our houses, lead an ugly… pic.twitter.com/R7Nox2nz8C

— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) June 15, 2023

Apparently Russia's destruction of the KHPP dam has continued to erode the perception of this dumb war on municipal leaders within Russia.

Select current and former Russian municipal officials signed an open letter calling on the Russian forces to return to the “universally” recognized Russian borders due to the crisis caused by the destruction of the #KakhovkaDam. https://t.co/ywHzDwDtJX https://t.co/Ls7uq85nP1 pic.twitter.com/3uIy8h2Bja

— ISW (@TheStudyofWar) June 17, 2023

Russian sources acknowledging that Ukraine's electronic warfare is having an impact.

Pro Russian sources are reporting huge drone losses due to EW equipment. pic.twitter.com/ezvhUx9IUV

— Radio & Nukes 🇺🇦 (@HamWa07) June 16, 2023

Ukraine has anti-mine robots in the field now.

Robot for remote mining with anti-tank mines TM-62. 28th brigade of Ukrainehttps://t.co/DFRrT3TS7V pic.twitter.com/jcD2iOplJN

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) June 16, 2023

More evidence that Russia's primary goal is really to destroy Ukraine and make it uninhabitable. They're not doing anything to protect ethnic Russians, that's just a fantasy they spread to fool fools.

Russian writer and propagandist Maksim Kalashnikov malfunctioned while visiting "liberated" Donbas territories, specifically Toshkivka in the Severodonetsk district. He says this is now scorched earth and the military campaign should not have been run like this. pic.twitter.com/1IOWipDVFw

— Dmitri (@wartranslated) June 17, 2023

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— Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) June 16, 2023

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So are you of the opinion that they still have a few hundred thousands more to go until they get to the last Ukrainian?

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