The Official Russian Invasion of Ukraine Thread

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blungld
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Just feed the base some tweets and pronouncements from the Beloved Dear Leader and they will love, hate, vilify or worship on a whim. What you despised last week, you now praise. You have no actual ethical standard other than tribal loyalty.

You will note that my positions and those like me are based on a principle rather than a party. We can argue on policy, but where I live is striving for equality, fairness, happiness, etc. But where the MAGA live is us/them, hierarchy, loyalty, authority, nationalism, etc.

"The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia."

George Orwell, 1984
DiabloWags
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dajo9 said:

movielover said:



Under President Trump we had peace and prosperity.



Bwahahahahahahahahahahhaaaaaa!

BearHunter
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BREAKING: Zelensky Breathes Sigh Of Relief After Failed Coup Guarantees War With Russia Will Continue

https://babylonbee.com/news/zelenskyy-breathes-sigh-of-relief-after-failed-coup-guarantees-war-with-russia-will-continue
dimitrig
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movielover said:

Did you spike dajos punch at the Big Game?

Russia may have the strongest military in the world now, including experienced soldiers and commanders.


Russia has the 2nd strongest military in Russia

Cal88
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blungld said:

Just feed the base some tweets and pronouncements from the Beloved Dear Leader and they will love, hate, vilify or worship on a whim. What you despised last week, you now praise. You have no actual ethical standard other than tribal loyalty.

You will note that my positions and those like me are based on a principle rather than a party. We can argue on policy, but where I live is striving for equality, fairness, happiness, etc. But where the MAGA live is us/them, hierarchy, loyalty, authority, nationalism, etc.

"The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia."

George Orwell, 1984

Trump = Goldstein

Two Minutes Hate = 7 years of TDS and counting

oski003
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dimitrig said:

movielover said:

Did you spike dajos punch at the Big Game?

Russia may have the strongest military in the world now, including experienced soldiers and commanders.


Russia has the 2nd strongest military in Russia




Interesting that you say they have the second strongest military in their own country and still control quite a bit of Ukrainian territory, despite NATO's weapons and money. The US alone has given Ukraine 75 billion dollars.
movielover
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I believe it's more than that.
Cal88
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dimitrig said:

movielover said:

Did you spike dajos punch at the Big Game?

Russia may have the strongest military in the world now, including experienced soldiers and commanders.

Russia has the 2nd strongest military in Russia


Russia has the strongest military in the world when it comes to waging a war on its borders, period. They are winning the war of attrition against Ukraine and its ~40 nation NATO+ league of backers with somewhere around 1/4 to 1/3 of their military potential, they have barely increased their normal military budget and are conducting the war with limited manpower.

Their entire military doctrine is geared towards waging war on their borders, and 16 months into the Ukraine war, they have ironed out their kinks. Off the top of my head, here are some of the fields where the Russians are the best in the world:

- Standoff weapons, across the entire range, from $10k drones to hypersonic missiles
- Ground to air A2/AD
- Urban warfare
- Artillery - conventional and thermobaric
- BVR air combat (R37M missile), about 150 air-to-air victories and counting
- Electronic warfare
- Attack helicopters
- Remote mining
- Military industrial output - more tanks, ammo produced than all of NATO combined
movielover
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Colonel McGregor claims there is an internal struggle in Russia over the war strategy in Ukraine, and this played a big role in the recent drama.

The current strategy might be described as the Grind it Out strategy, limiting casualties, and taking a piecemeal approach so as not to trigger a larger response from NATO. Limiting collateral damage, etc.

Prigozhin allegedly wants to take the shackles off and finish Ukraine. McGregor claims Prigozhin has support with the public at large, along w Wagner, who have lost patience with Putin's measured game plan. McGregor claims Ukraine is a shell of its original military.

He suggests there may be a shakeup at the top of Russia's military leadership, and Odessa may be next.

blungld
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Cal88 said:


Trump = Goldstein

Two Minutes Hate = 7 years of TDS and counting


I think the more accurate analogy is Goldstein = globalist/immigrant/trans/libtard/Hillary/Obama

7 years of MAGA fitful paranoia, anger and imaginary enemies and counting.
calbear93
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blungld said:


You will note that my positions and those like me are based on a principle rather than a party. We can argue on policy, but where I live is striving for equality, fairness, happiness, etc. But where the MAGA live is us/them, hierarchy, loyalty, authority, nationalism, etc.

What position do you have that is divergent from the Democratic party's position and aligned with those of the Republican party?

I actually have many positions that diverge from the Republican party, and it confuses many liberals here who treat anyone not marching to each of the dictates of the Democratic party as "Righteous Righty" or "MAGAt" conservative. Are you not reading any of the liberal poster's writing here that you impute that behavior to the right?

When I disagree with the conservatives here (which is often when it comes to Trump), I don't get accusation of disloyalty or that I am a whack liberal from the conservatives here. But whenever I don't agree 100% with the stated liberal mandate, I get accused of being a MAGA whacko from a few liberals.
Unit2Sucks
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There's been a lot of ink spilled on the impact of Prigozhin's mutiny on Russia, on the war, on Putin and what it says about how things are really going. I've posted some of the more interesting ones I've read below, or you can listen to the propagandists who are sure to weigh in saying that these people are all wrong and that really you just need to take Putin's word for it that everything is a-ok.

You have to be phenomenally deluded to think that this war has made Russia stronger or that the mutiny has left Russia in a better position than it started in. Russia's already shaky relationships with Beijing and others have only become weaker and Putin's obvious lack of command is creating the sort of instability that causes "partners" to take notice.



Here's an article from Tim Snyder who I've mentioned before - a well regarded Russia and Ukraine scholar. There is a lot more here, but this is just a taste:
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So long as Putin is in power, this is what he will do. He will threaten and hope that those threats will change the behaviour of his enemies. When that fails, he will change the story. His regime rests on propaganda, and in the end the spectacle generated by the military is there to serve the propaganda. Even when that spectacle is as humiliating as can be possibly be imagined, as it was on Saturday when Russian rebels marched on Moscow and Putin fled, his response will be to try to change the subject.

It is worth emphasizing that on Saturday the threat to him personally and to his regime was real. Both the risk and the humiliation were incomparably greater than anything that could happen in Ukraine. Compared to power in Russia, land in Ukraine is unimportant. After what we have just seen, no one should be arguing that Putin might be backed into a corner in Ukraine and take some terrible decision. He cannot be backed into a corner in Ukraine. He can only be backed into a corner in Russia. And now we know what
he does when that happens: record a speech and run away.
Here's former ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul's take on "Putin the Weak." He should be reviled as a furdie, but the propagandists will point out that he's mean to Putin and an advocate for democracy who shouldn't be trusted. Meanwhile they will continue to completely ignore any facts that they didn't receive through their official and unofficial propaganda channels (whether by discord or twitter troll).




Not that the scale of Russian corruption has ever truly been in doubt, but we continue to see credible reporting of it increase.

Here are just a few recent threads:








movielover
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The Hill: Russia lays out plans to boost size of military to 1.5 million

The Iran Primer: Iran's Deepening Strategic Alliance with Russia

Reuters: US sees more indication of Russia, Iran defense cooperation

AP: China's military chief vows to bolster ties with Russia

Popular Mechanics: Russia's New Drone Warhead Is a 'Complex Engine of Destruction'

NBC News: Iran helping Moscow to build drone factory in Russia, U.S. says

Institute for the Study of War
www.understandingwar.org

The Kremlin's Pyrrhic Victory in Bakhmut: A Retrospective on the Battle for ...

https://thehill.com/policy/international/3816314-russia-lays-out-plans-to-boost-size-of-military-to-1-5-million/

https://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2023/feb/24/iran%E2%80%99s-deepening-strategic-alliance-russia

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-sees-more-indications-russia-iran-defense-cooperation-white-house-2023-05-15/

https://apnews.com/article/russia-china-defense-minister-li-military-cooperation-d33fc68289d19eb042d2913f2faf4129

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a43043216/russia-using-iranian-shahed-131-drone-warhead/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/iran-helping-moscow-build-drone-factory-russia-us-says-rcna88542

I found these useful links in 5 minutes.
dajo9
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movielover said:

The Hill: Russia lays out plans to boost size of military to 1.5 million

The Iran Primer: Iran's Deepening Strategic Alliance with Russia

Reuters: US sees more indication of Russia, Iran defense cooperation

AP: China's military chief vows to bolster ties with Russia

Popular Mechanics: Russia's New Drone Warhead Is a 'Complex Engine of Destruction'

NBC News: Iran helping Moscow to build drone factory in Russia, U.S. says

Institute for the Study of War
www.understandingwar.org

The Kremlin's Pyrrhic Victory in Bakhmut: A Retrospective on the Battle for ...

https://thehill.com/policy/international/3816314-russia-lays-out-plans-to-boost-size-of-military-to-1-5-million/

https://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2023/feb/24/iran%E2%80%99s-deepening-strategic-alliance-russia

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-sees-more-indications-russia-iran-defense-cooperation-white-house-2023-05-15/

https://apnews.com/article/russia-china-defense-minister-li-military-cooperation-d33fc68289d19eb042d2913f2faf4129

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a43043216/russia-using-iranian-shahed-131-drone-warhead/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/iran-helping-moscow-build-drone-factory-russia-us-says-rcna88542

I found these useful links in 5 minutes.


movielover doesn't know what Pyrrhic victory means.
movielover
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We'll see if that doomsday prediction comes true, aka Prigozhin on steroids?
sycasey
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dajo9 said:

movielover said:

The Hill: Russia lays out plans to boost size of military to 1.5 million

The Iran Primer: Iran's Deepening Strategic Alliance with Russia

Reuters: US sees more indication of Russia, Iran defense cooperation

AP: China's military chief vows to bolster ties with Russia

Popular Mechanics: Russia's New Drone Warhead Is a 'Complex Engine of Destruction'

NBC News: Iran helping Moscow to build drone factory in Russia, U.S. says

Institute for the Study of War
www.understandingwar.org

The Kremlin's Pyrrhic Victory in Bakhmut: A Retrospective on the Battle for ...

https://thehill.com/policy/international/3816314-russia-lays-out-plans-to-boost-size-of-military-to-1-5-million/

https://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2023/feb/24/iran%E2%80%99s-deepening-strategic-alliance-russia

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-sees-more-indications-russia-iran-defense-cooperation-white-house-2023-05-15/

https://apnews.com/article/russia-china-defense-minister-li-military-cooperation-d33fc68289d19eb042d2913f2faf4129

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a43043216/russia-using-iranian-shahed-131-drone-warhead/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/iran-helping-moscow-build-drone-factory-russia-us-says-rcna88542

I found these useful links in 5 minutes.


movielover doesn't know what Pyrrhic victory means.
At first I thought he had surprisingly just admitted to Russia failing at something, but your explanation is more likely.
sonofabear51
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Lot of BS. YOGI, GO AWAY!
Start Slowly and taper off
movielover
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Bring on Kanala Harris, no White Privelege for Newsom.



movielover
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dajo9
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movielover said:




I just can't imagine having a mind that thinks it is clever to repeatedly post a parody account with made up comments. I mean once, sure, it can be funny. But repeatedly from the same parody account posting nothing resembling reality? The work of a small brain.
Cal88
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dajo9 said:

movielover said:




I just can't imagine having a mind that thinks it is clever to repeatedly post a parody account with made up comments. I mean once, sure, it can be funny. But repeatedly from the same parody account posting nothing resembling reality? The work of a small brain.

"The United States Aids Ukraine And Her People So That We Can Fight Russia Over There And We Don't Have To Fight Russia Here" - Adam Schiff addressing Congress

https://www.facebook.com/IndianMilitaryUpdate/videos/united-states-aids-ukraine-and-her-people-so-that-we-can-fight-russia-over-there/690898798759583/
movielover
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Cal88
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sonofabear51 said:

Lot of BS. YOGI, GO AWAY!

What exactly do you think is BS here, the NYT and Forbes articles stating that the Ukraine counteroffensive has been a massive failure, or the poll cited above which shows that neo-nazi ideology in Ukraine is real?

This phase of the war is even worse than the previous one in Bakhmut for Ukrainian conscripts forced to fight against overwhelming odds and currently dying in mine fields at rates higher than 10 to 1.

This 11 min video that has made the rounds gives you an idea of the horror Ukrainian soldiers are facing in an attempt to breach the Russian first line of defense. It is very graphic, depicting at least 3 soldiers losing their limbs on land mines and it also shows a rescue vehicle loaded with injured soldiers who barely managed to crawl into it being blown up by a mine.

This is what fighting to the last Ukrainian looks like.

- Warning very Graphic footage -

movielover
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They pilliry every source instead of dealing with the issues and facts at hand.
DiabloWags
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dimitrig said:

movielover said:

Did you spike dajos punch at the Big Game?

Russia may have the strongest military in the world now, including experienced soldiers and commanders.


Russia has the 2nd strongest military in Russia



BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!
DiabloWags
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movielover said:

They pilliry every source instead of dealing with the issues and facts at hand.

What would you know about FACTS?

You said that this rugby guy was a transgender woman.



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Cal88
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This picture actually corroborates the fact that he's posed as a woman, because there is no such a thing as adult coed rugby competition.
oski003
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Cal88 said:

This picture actually corroborates the fact that he's posed as a woman, because there is no such a thing as adult coed rugby competition.


Does Diablo repeat things over and over and over again because he thinks it makes it true, or is it because he has dementia like Biden, which also explains his fervent defense of him?
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This video below is kind of long but definitely worth the watch. Pro-Putin nutjobs need not apply.


movielover
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oski003 said:

Cal88 said:

This picture actually corroborates the fact that he's posed as a woman, because there is no such a thing as adult coed rugby competition.


Does Diablo repeat things over and over and over again because he thinks it makes it true, or is it because he has dementia like Biden, which also explains his fervent defense of him?


Sal Alinsky tactic?
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I wonder if Vindman talks about how he's profiteering off Ukraine...err tried to then got busted. I'm sure he's still trying though.


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Alexander Vindman has been pitching the government of Ukraine to obtain lucrative defense contracts. In August 2022, Vindman, operating as CEO of Trident Support, pitched a deck on a Ukraine Weapons Systems Sustainment Center to address problems with Ukraine's weapons management, namely readiness, repair, and maintenance. Vindman proposed that for $12 million in initial funding, his company Trident Support would bring support closer to the front lines by providing a logistical midpoint from which equipment could be distributed.
Cal88
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MinotStateBeav said:

I wonder if Vindman talks about how he's profiteering off Ukraine...err tried to then got busted. I'm sure he's still trying though.


Quote:

Alexander Vindman has been pitching the government of Ukraine to obtain lucrative defense contracts. In August 2022, Vindman, operating as CEO of Trident Support, pitched a deck on a Ukraine Weapons Systems Sustainment Center to address problems with Ukraine's weapons management, namely readiness, repair, and maintenance. Vindman proposed that for $12 million in initial funding, his company Trident Support would bring support closer to the front lines by providing a logistical midpoint from which equipment could be distributed.


He's a complete scumbag war profiteer.
movielover
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Don't forget his identical twin brother.
Eastern Oregon Bear
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Cal88 said:

This picture actually corroborates the fact that he's posed as a woman, because there is no such a thing as adult coed rugby competition.
Hear Hear! I took a further look into the subject and after an arduous search (must have been over 5 minutes), I found a bunch of obvious crisis actors and false flag operations trying to pull the wool over our eyes. Look at these frauds!

Obviously false Oshkosh Rec League - Who believes in a town named Oshkosh anyway>




Cal88
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Cal88 said:

This picture actually corroborates the fact that he's posed as a woman, because there is no such a thing as adult coed rugby competition.
Hear Hear! I took a further look into the subject and after an arduous search (must have been over 5 minutes), I found a bunch of obvious crisis actors and false flag operations trying to pull the wool over our eyes. Look at these frauds!

Obviously false Oshkosh Rec League - Who believes in a town named Oshkosh anyway>






^Videos above are of touch rugby, and high school rugby.

I actually looked at that Canadian club's website, it's a competitive rugby club. They don't field adult coed teams and there is no coed competition.
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