The Official Russian Invasion of Ukraine Thread

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Oops!

Russia 'shoots down its own 80million fighter jet' in friendly fire



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bearister said:

Oops!

Russia 'shoots down its own 80million fighter jet' in friendly fire



https://mol.im/a/12576353
I guess they were desperate to prove that their air defenses could shoot something down.

It's not going to make a difference in this war, but always great to see them reducing their own capability.

Don't worry, Russia keeps getting stronger.



Funny story about Russian expansion. I'm sure someone will pretend this is NATO provocation.



Finally a good (but very long) thread about how truly comprehensive Russian propaganda is and why they have been so successful spinning false narratives with their own people and useful idiots abroad alike.


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Well, Milley and DiFi are out, a little progress.

Milley took a swipe at President Trump on his way out. Milley, who had balls one day and said Ukraine did all it could do, but then back tracked when the MIC b-tch slapped him.
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Trump is not ignoring the American Jew problem. He said "liberal Jews who voted to destroy America".

I ask my Republican friends, what should we do about those who want to destroy America?
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dajo9 said:

Trump is not ignoring the American Jew problem. He said "liberal Jews who voted to destroy America".

I ask my Republican friends, what should we do about those who want to destroy America?


Have them move to Maine, Vermont, Oregon, Detroit, Philadelphia or New York. Stop them from screwing up Red areas.
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movielover said:

dajo9 said:

Trump is not ignoring the American Jew problem. He said "liberal Jews who voted to destroy America".

I ask my Republican friends, what should we do about those who want to destroy America?


Have them move to Maine, Vermont, Oregon, Detroit, Philadelphia or New York. Stop them from screwing up Red areas.
Hey Oregon isn't that blue anymore. We almost had our first republican gov last election. Closest I've ever seen it come. Been begging conservatives to move here lol. You come over the cascades and its like a different state.
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movielover said:

dajo9 said:

Trump is not ignoring the American Jew problem. He said "liberal Jews who voted to destroy America".

I ask my Republican friends, what should we do about those who want to destroy America?


Have them move to Maine, Vermont, Oregon, Detroit, Philadelphia or New York. Stop them from screwing up Red areas.
You want liberal Jews to move to certain areas? Should we call them "ghettos"?
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MinotStateBeav said:

movielover said:

dajo9 said:

Trump is not ignoring the American Jew problem. He said "liberal Jews who voted to destroy America".

I ask my Republican friends, what should we do about those who want to destroy America?


Have them move to Maine, Vermont, Oregon, Detroit, Philadelphia or New York. Stop them from screwing up Red areas.
Hey Oregon isn't that blue anymore. We almost had our first republican gov last election. Closest I've ever seen it come. Been begging conservatives to move here lol. You come over the cascades and its like a different state.
Except in Bend.

From where I sit the state is as deeply blue as ever, but I'm in the belly of the beast just south of Portland.
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dajo9 said:

movielover said:

dajo9 said:

Trump is not ignoring the American Jew problem. He said "liberal Jews who voted to destroy America".

I ask my Republican friends, what should we do about those who want to destroy America?


Have them move to Maine, Vermont, Oregon, Detroit, Philadelphia or New York. Stop them from screwing up Red areas.
You want liberal Jews to move to certain areas? Should we call them "ghettos"?


Let all Progressives cohabitate to share the fruits of their policies. ... ironic, Lockdowns leading to less unions, less sex, fewer marriages ...
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movielover said:

dajo9 said:

movielover said:

dajo9 said:

Trump is not ignoring the American Jew problem. He said "liberal Jews who voted to destroy America".

I ask my Republican friends, what should we do about those who want to destroy America?


Have them move to Maine, Vermont, Oregon, Detroit, Philadelphia or New York. Stop them from screwing up Red areas.
You want liberal Jews to move to certain areas? Should we call them "ghettos"?


Let all Progressives cohabitate to share the fruits of their policies. ... ironic, Lockdowns leading to less unions, less sex, fewer marriages ...


You make light of Trump's anti-semitism because you don't consider it important.
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tequila4kapp said:

movielover said:

tequila4kapp said:

sycasey said:

movielover said:

Russia also avoided hitting civilian targets / infrastructure.
No they haven't.
In other news, the US avoided targeting Japanese Americans during WW2, Hitler avoided killing Jews and the KKK avoided lynching people.
Cal88 has the receipts.
A major element of Russia's winter strategy was to bomb civilian infrastructure, namely the power grid. It happened so regularly and was so prominent that it is an absurdity to the Nth degree to claim civilians and infrastructure were not targeted, regardless of whatever receipts people think Cal88 may have.


Canadian mercenary confirms that Russia has gone out of its way to avoid civilian losses. He also confirms Ukraine using sites like churches, schools and hospitals as military bases:

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'No turning back': how the Ukraine war has profoundly changed the EU


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/30/ukraine-russia-war-changed-eu?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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Special Report: How Cubans were recruited to fight for Russia | Reuters


https://www.reuters.com/world/whatsapp-war-how-cubans-were-recruited-fight-russia-2023-09-30/

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The Democratic Party is a cult and center left liberals will vote against their self-interests in order to keep their cult membership.
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BearHunter said:



The Democratic Party is a cult and center left liberals will vote against their self-interests in order to keep their cult membership.


I believe it was Dr. Norman Matloff who analyzed the working conditions of hotel maids in southern California decades ago. It used to be a majority of African American women with a fair wage, and benefits. When Millions of illegal immigrants poured in, they were replaced by these Latinos at a much lower wage, and little or no benefits.
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movielover said:

BearHunter said:



The Democratic Party is a cult and center left liberals will vote against their self-interests in order to keep their cult membership.


I believe it was Dr. Norman Matloff who analyzed the working conditions of hotel maids in southern California decades ago. It used to be a majority of African American women with a fair wage, and benefits. When Millions of illegal immigrants poured in, they were replaced by these Latinos at a much lower wage, and little or no benefits.

I think I would blame the hotel owners and not the immigrants for that.
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The Democratic Party is a cult and center left liberals will vote against their self-interests in order to keep their cult membership.


Every Democrat with money is voting against their best financial interests, as is every Republican without money. The Democrats do so because they are altruistic and the Republicans do so because they are exploited morons.
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The Democrats are addicted to spending money on useless or counter intuitive programs, vote buying, and MIC. We're adding $2.2 Trillion a year in debt, and few care. It's mad.
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Spending other people's money and then borrowing the rest with no intention of paying it back is called altruism.
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bearister said:


Every Democrat with money is voting against their best financial interests, as is every Republican without money. The Democrats do so because they are altruistic and the Republicans do so because they are exploited morons.

Democrats are interested in power and fascinated with black lesbians.
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BearHunter said:

bearister said:


Every Democrat with money is voting against their best financial interests, as is every Republican without money. The Democrats do so because they are altruistic and the Republicans do so because they are exploited morons.

Democrats are interested in power and fascinated with black lesbians.

LOL, smells like Losertown on this thread lately
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BearHunter said:

Spending other people's money and then borrowing the rest with no intention of paying it back is called altruism.


You state this while ignoring reduction of national debt under Democrats and increase under Republicans. Why is that? It looks like willful ignorance.
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blungld said:

BearHunter said:

Spending other people's money and then borrowing the rest with no intention of paying it back is called altruism.
You state this while ignoring reduction of national debt under Democrats and increase under Republicans. Why is that? It looks like willful ignorance.
You don't know the answer because your premise is wrong.
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BearHunter said:

blungld said:

BearHunter said:

Spending other people's money and then borrowing the rest with no intention of paying it back is called altruism.
You state this while ignoring reduction of national debt under Democrats and increase under Republicans. Why is that? It looks like willful ignorance.
You don't know the answer because your premise is wrong.


They want to add $2.2 Trillion in debt - or more - as far as the eye can see, and much is failing!
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Regardless of what the shills will tell you, the real Russian propaganda acknowledges what Putin is really trying to do.



And it worked again as they recently got a Russian puppet elected in Slovakia.



More evidence of Russia getting stronger from the war; Putin remains a master strategist.




Last but not least, ISW reminding everyone that Putin's revanchist dreams are the real cause of war. NATO's success could be indirectly linked but the idea that it's purely due to "expansion" or Ukraine is not supportable. I suppose the Putinistas would say that we should disband NATO to avoid any "red lines" Putin may later decide to use as pre-texts for his next invasion of a peaceful sovereign neighbor.



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sycasey said:

movielover said:

BearHunter said:



The Democratic Party is a cult and center left liberals will vote against their self-interests in order to keep their cult membership.


I believe it was Dr. Norman Matloff who analyzed the working conditions of hotel maids in southern California decades ago. It used to be a majority of African American women with a fair wage, and benefits. When Millions of illegal immigrants poured in, they were replaced by these Latinos at a much lower wage, and little or no benefits.

I think I would blame the hotel owners and not the immigrants for that.
The Democratic party, summed up right there.
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Self deleted for being excessively snarky.

Apologies to 88, Movielover and others.
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Unit2Sucks said:

Regardless of what the shills will tell you, the real Russian propaganda acknowledges what Putin is really trying to do. And it worked again as they recently got a Russian puppet elected in Slovakia.

More evidence of Russia getting stronger from the war; Putin remains a master strategist.

Last but not least, ISW reminding everyone that Putin's revanchist dreams are the real cause of war. NATO's success could be indirectly linked but the idea that it's purely due to "expansion" or Ukraine is not supportable. I suppose the Putinistas would say that we should disband NATO to avoid any "red lines" Putin may later decide to use as pre-texts for his next invasion of a peaceful sovereign neighbor.

The Ukrainians have agency (and the people of Ukraine are united in fighting to the last Ukrainian - no need to have further elections or allow opposition in Ukraine), but the Slovaks don't??

Perhaps you find surprising the fact that Ukraine's neighbors aren't fond of the cult of Bandera next door which in addition to destroying Ukraine is bringing WW3 to their doorstep and straining their economies?

And uhm, nothing to report on the state of the Ukrainian counteroffensive??

Very recent updates on the front:

Balance Of Power Turns In Favor Of Russia | Critical Stage Of Ukraine's Offensive


Ukraine Offensive Over


The Fall | The Russians Sent A Clear Message To Western Investors. Military Summary For 2023.10.01


Horrible Fate Of All Ukrainian Attacks In The Direction of Verbove! | The Kill Zone Explained


Russians Truly Mastered The Art Of Defence | Yet Another Massive Ukrainian Assault Failed Terribly


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RFK Jr.: "Russians signed a Peace Agreement in March of 22 - which we just found out about - Zelensky initialed it, and the Russians were withdrawing their troops in March of 2022 and April of 2022. And President Biden sent Boris Johnson to Kiev to blow up that deal... they (Ukranians) died unnecessarily to fulfill an ambition of the United States. ..."

"When asked what the purpose of the war was, President Biden said regime change .... when Lloyd Austin his Secretary of Defense was asked in April of 2022, he said to exhaust the Russian army and degrade its capacity to fight anywhere else in the world. That is not about Ukrainian freedom. It is using Ukraine in a proxy war in a geopolitical dispute between two great superpowers...

[Reporters questions]

"No, I am not making any excuses for Vladimir Putin. His invasion was illegal, brutal, Putin had other options. But did we deliberately provoke the action? Yes we did, again, and again, and again... we would not allow Zelensky to sign the Minsk Accords in 2019 ...

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cv8ZXZZscLA/?igshid=NjZiM2M3MzIxNA==
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Zippergate said:

sycasey said:

movielover said:

BearHunter said:



The Democratic Party is a cult and center left liberals will vote against their self-interests in order to keep their cult membership.


I believe it was Dr. Norman Matloff who analyzed the working conditions of hotel maids in southern California decades ago. It used to be a majority of African American women with a fair wage, and benefits. When Millions of illegal immigrants poured in, they were replaced by these Latinos at a much lower wage, and little or no benefits.

I think I would blame the hotel owners and not the immigrants for that.
The Democratic party, summed up right there.


Yes, the poor helpless hotel owners had no choice but to hire illegal immigrants.
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dimitrig said:

Zippergate said:

sycasey said:

movielover said:

BearHunter said:



The Democratic Party is a cult and center left liberals will vote against their self-interests in order to keep their cult membership.


I believe it was Dr. Norman Matloff who analyzed the working conditions of hotel maids in southern California decades ago. It used to be a majority of African American women with a fair wage, and benefits. When Millions of illegal immigrants poured in, they were replaced by these Latinos at a much lower wage, and little or no benefits.

I think I would blame the hotel owners and not the immigrants for that.
The Democratic party, summed up right there.


Yes, the poor helpless hotel owners had no choice but to hire illegal immigrants.



Do the street vendors popping up all over need to pay their illegal immigrants minimum wage? Whose fault is it that they don't?
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oski003 said:

dimitrig said:

Zippergate said:

sycasey said:

movielover said:

BearHunter said:



The Democratic Party is a cult and center left liberals will vote against their self-interests in order to keep their cult membership.


I believe it was Dr. Norman Matloff who analyzed the working conditions of hotel maids in southern California decades ago. It used to be a majority of African American women with a fair wage, and benefits. When Millions of illegal immigrants poured in, they were replaced by these Latinos at a much lower wage, and little or no benefits.

I think I would blame the hotel owners and not the immigrants for that.
The Democratic party, summed up right there.


Yes, the poor helpless hotel owners had no choice but to hire illegal immigrants.



Do the street vendors popping up all over need to pay their illegal immigrants minimum wage? Whose fault is it that they don't?


You might as well ask if pimps needs to pay their prostitutes minimum wage. What does an illegal business have to do with Republicans' love for hiring illegal immigrants?



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movielover said:

BearHunter said:

blungld said:

BearHunter said:

Spending other people's money and then borrowing the rest with no intention of paying it back is called altruism.
You state this while ignoring reduction of national debt under Democrats and increase under Republicans. Why is that? It looks like willful ignorance.
You don't know the answer because your premise is wrong.


They want to add $2.2 Trillion in debt - or more - as far as the eye can see, and much is failing!
How much did Trump & Bush add, and how much did Clinton and Obama reduce?
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dimitrig said:

Zippergate said:

sycasey said:

movielover said:

BearHunter said:



The Democratic Party is a cult and center left liberals will vote against their self-interests in order to keep their cult membership.


I believe it was Dr. Norman Matloff who analyzed the working conditions of hotel maids in southern California decades ago. It used to be a majority of African American women with a fair wage, and benefits. When Millions of illegal immigrants poured in, they were replaced by these Latinos at a much lower wage, and little or no benefits.

I think I would blame the hotel owners and not the immigrants for that.
The Democratic party, summed up right there.


Yes, the poor helpless hotel owners had no choice but to hire illegal immigrants.

I love it when democrats, who lack the drive, ambition, and risk tolerance to run businesses, lecture everyone on how to run a business. Sure, hotel owners could pay above market rates for labor, but this would hurt their competitive position relative to other hotels. If you are so concerned about the working poor, perhaps you should open a hotel and conduct a lottery to see who will have the great fortune of receiving the above market wages you're so eager to pay. People play the game within the rules they are given; it's called human nature. When it comes to employment for illegals, the State has looked the other way and made a mockery of the immigration and employment laws on the books. It's silly to blame employers or the illegals themselves for entering into work arrangements which benefit both sides when the State is responsible for setting and enforcing the rules.

People on the other side of this issue also care about illegal immigrants, it's just that they care about American poor more. You scoff, I'm sure, but the facts are undeniable. Limitless illegal immigration suppresses wages, places enormous strain on the education system, social services and housing, and increases crime, drug smuggling, and human trafficking. California has been blessed with the tech industry, biotech, agriculture, entertainment, defense, tourism, oil and gas, and the best weather in the country which attracts the best and the brightest. So why is it that the state is a fiscal basket case even with the highest tax burden in the country? Why has the quality of life dropped so dramatically? Yeah, I'm sure it's those evil hotel owners hiring illegals. Nothing at all to do with the policies of Team Blue which has a supermajority in the state legislature and has controlled both houses almost continuously since the early 70s.
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Zippergate said:

dimitrig said:

Zippergate said:

sycasey said:

movielover said:

BearHunter said:



The Democratic Party is a cult and center left liberals will vote against their self-interests in order to keep their cult membership.


I believe it was Dr. Norman Matloff who analyzed the working conditions of hotel maids in southern California decades ago. It used to be a majority of African American women with a fair wage, and benefits. When Millions of illegal immigrants poured in, they were replaced by these Latinos at a much lower wage, and little or no benefits.

I think I would blame the hotel owners and not the immigrants for that.
The Democratic party, summed up right there.


Yes, the poor helpless hotel owners had no choice but to hire illegal immigrants.

I love it when democrats, who lack the drive, ambition, and risk tolerance to run businesses, lecture everyone on how to run a business. Sure, hotel owners could pay above market rates for labor, but this would hurt their competitive position relative to other hotels. If you are so concerned about the working poor, perhaps you should open a hotel and conduct a lottery to see who will have the great fortune of receiving the above market wages you're so eager to pay. People play the game within the rules they are given; it's called human nature. When it comes to employment for illegals, the State has looked the other way and made a mockery of the immigration and employment laws on the books. It's silly to blame employers or the illegals themselves for entering into work arrangements which benefit both sides when the State is responsible for setting and enforcing the rules.

People on the other side of this issue also care about illegal immigrants, it's just that they care about American poor more. You scoff, I'm sure, but the facts are undeniable. Limitless illegal immigration suppresses wages, places enormous strain on the education system, social services and housing, and increases crime, drug smuggling, and human trafficking. California has been blessed with the tech industry, biotech, agriculture, entertainment, defense, tourism, oil and gas, and the best weather in the country which attracts the best and the brightest. So why is it that the state is a fiscal basket case even with the highest tax burden in the country? Why has the quality of life dropped so dramatically? Yeah, I'm sure it's those evil hotel owners hiring illegals. Nothing at all to do with the policies of Team Blue which has a supermajority in the state legislature and has controlled both houses almost continuously since the early 70s.
Business owners who hire illegal immigrants should be prosecuted.
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