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So the war is about taking territory.

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A recent interview concurred again that the war is about Ukraine neutrality.

Given the Kursk NATO-led incursion, it looks like Putin may go farther.

Ukraine has to invade Russia and is totally ethically justified for anything they do because they felt threatened by Russia at their border and the ideological differences of the two countries. You always get to attack, kill, and invade if you feel uncomfortable, disagree with a neighbor, or just want to have their stuff.

sycasey said:

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So the war is about taking territory.

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The Russians offered to withdraw from Ukraine in exchange for neutrality after they had rolled into the country from all directions back in April 22. If it was about territory, they would have instead moved in more troops and kept advancing.

Even a few months ago, Putin hinted he would take a deal with the current borders frozen while it was clear that Russia had the upper hand militarily and could make further territorial gains with the main Ukrainian defensive positions under a lot of pressure.

Cal88 said:

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sycasey said:

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So the war is about taking territory.

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The Russians offered to withdraw from Ukraine in exchange for neutrality

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Oh yeah? They offered to leave the Donbas and Crimea?

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Cal88 said:

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sycasey said:

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So the war is about taking territory.

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The Russians offered to withdraw from Ukraine in exchange for neutrality

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Oh yeah? They offered to leave the Donbas and Crimea?

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Certainly not from Crimea, why would they? Crimeans who are mostly Russians don't want to be associated with the post-Maidan Kiev regime, who cut off their water out of pure spite, dumping it in the Black Sea, crippling their agriculture industry.

Zelensky went on to mock Crimeans' lack of water on Ukrainian TV. Why do you think they would want this literal clown to rule over them?

Zelensky mocking Crimea's shortage of water, after Kiev cut off a key canal. pic.twitter.com/zWI5s4Y0D5

— Chebureki Man (@CheburekiMan) May 18, 2024

The Russian-speaking UKR cheap transvestite comedian? He could have tended bar at Johnny Loves once a month on Sundays.

Unstated here is that Ukraine was allegedly trying to capture a nuclear power plant outside Kursk, and then reportedly use it in a trade w Russia for a NPP in Ukraine held by Russia.

Most recently they've allegedly fired projectiles at the NPP outside Kursk, which Russia has shot down.

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sycasey said:

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Cal88 said:

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sycasey said:

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So the war is about taking territory.

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The Russians offered to withdraw from Ukraine in exchange for neutrality

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Oh yeah? They offered to leave the Donbas and Crimea?

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Certainly not from Crimea, why would they? Crimeans who are mostly Russians don't want to be associated with the post-Maidan Kiev regime, who cut off their water out of pure spite, dumping it in the Black Sea, crippling their agriculture industry.

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So Russia intended to keep the territory it conquered. The war is about taking territory.

Obtuseness is bigley here.

movielover said:

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Obtuseness is bigley here.

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It is, but not in the way you think.

The fall of Vladimir Putin is now only a matter of time


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/24/the-fall-of-vladimir-putin-is-now-only-a-matter-of-time/

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The fall of Vladimir Putin is now only a matter of time


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/24/the-fall-of-vladimir-putin-is-now-only-a-matter-of-time/

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That's ridiculous. Cal88 has a meme and a graph that shows he is invincible and the war victory inevitable (in fact it already happened) and that God has blessed poor poor Russia to invade their horrible neighbor who was so audacious that they wanted autonomy and to make their own allies because Russia was scared.

Earlier in the war, the MSM (especially from the UK) were all saying that Putin had parkinsons and was about to die from a lethal combination of cancer, AIDS, gonorrhea and a case of ingrown toenail.

That article is in the same mold. It actually does a good job in presenting the NATO gameplan: using Ukraine to try to regime change and dismember Russia.

Well it's not working, the Russians have been winning on the battlefield, and prospering at home, while Ukraine is reeling with continuing high losses in a war of attrition led by Russia. The Kursk invasion is not having the desired effect of reducing pressure on the Donbas front an increasing political strife in Russia,

in fact it is having the opposite effect on both items, Ukraine having mobilized its best troops for that offensive and the Russian public being pissed, especially given the history of the Wehrmacht rolling into Kursk a while back.

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bearister said:

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The fall of Vladimir Putin is now only a matter of time


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/24/the-fall-of-vladimir-putin-is-now-only-a-matter-of-time/

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That's ridiculous. Cal88 has a meme and a graph that shows his as invincible and the war victory inevitable and God's blessing for poor poor Russia to invade their neighbor because they were scared.

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He's dead already anyway.

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Earlier in the war, the MSM (especially from the UK) were all saying that Putin had parkinsons and was about to die from a lethal combination of cancer, AIDS, gonorrhea and a case of ingrown toenail.

That article is in the same mold. It actually does a good job in presenting the NATO gameplan: using Ukraine to try to regime change and dismember Russia.

Well it's not working, the Russians have been winning on the battlefield, and prospering at home, while Ukraine is reeling with continuing high losses in a war of attrition led by Russia. The Kursk invasion is not having the desired effect of reducing pressure on the Donbas front an increasing political strife in Russia,

in fact it is having the opposite effect on both items, Ukraine having mobilized its best troops for that offensive and the Russian public being pissed, especially given the history of the Wehrmacht rolling into Kursk a while back.

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Well, let's hope so! We are all rooting for Russia to win this war they started. How can you not root for Putin?

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You could root for the war to stop instead of viewing it as a black and white Star Wars/Hollywood narrative, which would involve actually finding out about why it started, and how it could be stopped.

Putin, who is dead, started the war and could stop the war today.

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Putin, who is dead, started the war and could stop the war today.

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He actually can't, Ukraine has a constitutional amendment banning any negotiation with Russia, which means that they intend to keep fighting until they conquer the Donbas and Crimea, which is never going to happen. No Russian leader is ever going to abandon their Crimean Russian population.

Of course you will never mention that the war could have been stopped at the 2nd month in Istanbul if it weren't for Boris and NATO scuttling the peace treaty, or prevented from starting altogether by the Ukrainians and NATO abiding by Minsk.

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dajo9 said:

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Putin, who is dead, started the war and could stop the war today.

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He actually can't, Ukraine has a constitutional amendment banning any negotiation with Russia, which means that they intend to keep fighting until they conquer the Donbas and Crimea, which is never going to happen. No Russian leader is ever going to abandon their Crimean Russian population.

Of course you will never mention that the war could have been stopped at the 2nd month in Istanbul if it weren't for Boris and NATO scuttling the peace treaty, or prevented from starting altogether by the Ukrainians and NATO abiding by Minsk.

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Really is too bad that NATO forced that amendment into Ukraine's constitution.

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Cal88 said:

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Earlier in the war, the MSM (especially from the UK) were all saying that Putin had parkinsons and was about to die from a lethal combination of cancer, AIDS, gonorrhea and a case of ingrown toenail.

That article is in the same mold. It actually does a good job in presenting the NATO gameplan: using Ukraine to try to regime change and dismember Russia.

Well it's not working, the Russians have been winning on the battlefield, and prospering at home, while Ukraine is reeling with continuing high losses in a war of attrition led by Russia. The Kursk invasion is not having the desired effect of reducing pressure on the Donbas front an increasing political strife in Russia,

in fact it is having the opposite effect on both items, Ukraine having mobilized its best troops for that offensive and the Russian public being pissed, especially given the history of the Wehrmacht rolling into Kursk a while back.

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Well, let's hope so! We are all rooting for Russia to win this war they started. How can you not root for Putin?

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You could root for the war to stop instead of viewing it as a black and white Star Wars/Hollywood narrative, which would involve actually finding out about why it started, and how it could be stopped.

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Oh, of course that's it. My ethics and understanding of events is childish and simplistic and if I only understood with your nuanced thinking then I would get how Russia didn't invade and Ukraine must surrender. Again, even though I have told you many times I TOO WANT NO ONE ELSE TO DIE. Quit hiding behind straw men and self importance.

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Cal88 said:

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Cal88 said:

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Earlier in the war, the MSM (especially from the UK) were all saying that Putin had parkinsons and was about to die from a lethal combination of cancer, AIDS, gonorrhea and a case of ingrown toenail.

That article is in the same mold. It actually does a good job in presenting the NATO gameplan: using Ukraine to try to regime change and dismember Russia.

Well it's not working, the Russians have been winning on the battlefield, and prospering at home, while Ukraine is reeling with continuing high losses in a war of attrition led by Russia. The Kursk invasion is not having the desired effect of reducing pressure on the Donbas front an increasing political strife in Russia,

in fact it is having the opposite effect on both items, Ukraine having mobilized its best troops for that offensive and the Russian public being pissed, especially given the history of the Wehrmacht rolling into Kursk a while back.

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Well, let's hope so! We are all rooting for Russia to win this war they started. How can you not root for Putin?

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You could root for the war to stop instead of viewing it as a black and white Star Wars/Hollywood narrative, which would involve actually finding out about why it started, and how it could be stopped.

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Oh, of course that's it. My ethics and understanding of events is childish and simplistic and if I only understood with your nuanced thinking then I would get how Russia didn't invade snd Ukraine must surrender. Again, even though I have told you many times I TOO WANT NO ONE ELSE TO DIE. Quit hiding behind straw men and self importance.

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This framework has proven to be correct:

10 years ago, one of the greatest analytical minds in international relations, Professor John Mearsheimer, outlined exactly what was going to happen to Ukraine

Was he wrong?pic.twitter.com/t157n7hW6o

— Chay Bowes (@BowesChay) August 26, 2024

I agree completely with Mearsheimer there, and note that he is also advocating for a policy that would have been ideal for Ukraine, and really, all parties, including the US and Russia.

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Ukrainian drone strikes residential highrise building in the city of Saratov, Russia.

🚨🇷🇺BREAKING: Suicide Drone Crashes into Russian City's Residential Skyscraper

A drone has struck the 38-story Volga Sky residential complex in Saratov, Russia, injuring at least two people.

Several apartments were damaged, and emergency services are on the scene.

Footage… pic.twitter.com/KDDbkCgL2U

— Mario Nawfal (@MarioNawfal) August 26, 2024

🚨 Condition of the 38 storey Volga Sky residential complex in Saratov, #Russia, the tallest building in the city after the #Drone attack.#DroneAttackpic.twitter.com/Ru8G4G4N8T

— Vakugu (@vakugu) August 26, 2024

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I'd like to see a few bad ass Ukranian drones (with no connection to the US/NATO) break through and hit the Kremlin and a few oligarchs' houses. That'd make them Rooskies think twice!

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Are they really suicide drones if they were never alive to start with? It's not as if the drone pilot back behind the lines died.

Are we really this dumb?

https://open.substack.com/pub/meaninginhistory/p/briefly-china-palestine-fronts?r=aiop6&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

"Biden's advisor, Jake Sullivan, is visiting China from August 27 to 29, where he is expected to attempt to pressure Beijing into reducing its cooperation with Moscow, according to The New York Times. However, the NYT notes that this effort is unlikely to succeed, as Russia remains a significant partner for China.

In the quoted tweet below there's a video of Sullivan responding to a question, after his meetings with top Chinese leadersincluding Xi Jinping. Sullivan is asked whether he made any progress on the Russia - China issue. He responds: No progress."

Imagine that.

He doesn't seem to bluff.