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10:21a, 10/14/24


F you Lindsay Graham.
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5:46p, 10/14/24
Top Kiev regime official and Victoria Nuland protege "Klitch" is the worst kind of oligarch, a bigtime pimp/human trafficker.





The guy on the left is the leader of neo-nazi group Svoboda, Oleh Tyahnybok.



That is the leadership Victoria Nuland hand-picked for Ukraine after the Maidan color revolution in 2014, with Yatz, bald man pictured in that group photo, as her prime minister.

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In reply to Cal88 • 7:46p, 10/14/24
Yikes, Vitali. A quick read reveals he has a colorful past, allegedly starting out as a bag man ala Rocky.

Wiki: "He was a leading figure in the 2013-2014 Euromaidan protests, and he announced his possible candidacy for the Ukrainian presidency but later withdrew and endorsed the eventual winner Petro Poroshenko."

FEMEN Blog: Pimp Must Be Punished!

"FEMEN accuses Vitaliy Klitschko and his accomplices in protection racket of sex-industry of Kyiv. It is about the brothels connected with Klitschko and his closest associates. In particular, brothel "Rio", owned by the "Udar" party leadership, according to the journalists, appears in the records of Interpol as a transit supplier of Ukrainian sex slaves on the world market.

"Earlier Klitschko was used by FIFA to promote the legalization of prostitution in Ukraine, during the football championship Euro 2012, for which he has repeatedly been criticized by the FEMEN Movement. As it turned, the interest of Klitschko in the legalization of prostitution before Euro 2012 was directly related to his personal share in this dirty inhumane business."

https://femen.org/pimp-must-be-punished/
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2015/11/16/topless-femen-activist-calls-kiev-mayor-klitschko-a-pimp-a50776

FIFA = yuck. Though I believe prostitution is legal throughout Europe. They've lost so many industries w high taxes and energy costs, I guess this helps tourism and lines pockets. In the 1990s I read about U.N. troops allegedly using brothels run by Bosnia Serbs.
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12:29p, 10/18/24
Like it was all planned.

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In reply to movielover • 12:48p, 10/18/24
movielover said:
Like it was all planned.



Well they kind of blew it, big time, Russia would have struggled with that larger stockpile of AA systems if they actually did scrap a lot of them, even the aging ones were pretty solid. It took Russia a year and a half to deplete and attrit Ukraine's stockpile of Soviet era S-300s and Buks, it would have taken longer had they held on to the rest of that stock.

The goal back then in the weapons scrap was to have Ukraine replace these weapons with new NATO hardware, same as with all the other EE NATO affiliates (Poland, Romania etc), big business there.
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In reply to October Surprise • 2:51p, 10/20/24
October Surprise said:

This whole war is built on a bunch of lies, here are the main ones:

-The war is weakening Russia - it has become much stronger militarily, most modern and experienced large land army today
-Ukraine is winning the war/can win - they never had a real fighting chance
-Ukraine's real KIA picture - actually over 600,000 and counting, vs 80,000 for Russia
-The Russian economy is reeling - it is booming
-Russia was going to be an isolated pariah state - they are now leading a large emerging global coalition
-Russia has the GDP of Italy/NATO can outperform them - Russia is outproducing all of NATO combined many times over in weaponry
-Ukraine is a democracy - it is a dictatorship run by oligarch/mobster kleptocrats and white supremacists funded and supported by NATO
-Russia was unprovoked, invaded for imperial designs - The Russians bent over backwards to avoid this war, pushing for Minsk I and II, Istanbul peace agreement, scuttled by NATO
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9:49p, 10/20/24
Russian Casualties in Ukraine Surpass 600,000, U.S. Says - The New York Times


https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/10/us/politics/russia-casualties-ukraine-war.html
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In reply to bearister • 10:03p, 10/20/24
bearister said:
Russian Casualties in Ukraine Surpass 600,000, U.S. Says - The New York Times


https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/10/us/politics/russia-casualties-ukraine-war.html

Ask the "U.S." about yellowcake, mobile biolabs in Iraq, baby incubators in Kuwait and so on.

https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/20/casualties_eng
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In reply to Cal88 • 7:34a, 10/21/24
Cal88 said:
bearister said:
Russian Casualties in Ukraine Surpass 600,000, U.S. Says - The New York Times


https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/10/us/politics/russia-casualties-ukraine-war.html

Ask the "U.S." about yellowcake, mobile biolabs in Iraq, baby incubators in Kuwait and so on.

https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/20/casualties_eng
You're comparing a website "article" casualty number from 2.5 years ago (3 months after Russia invaded) to a current news story?
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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 9:08a, 10/21/24
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
Cal88 said:
bearister said:
Russian Casualties in Ukraine Surpass 600,000, U.S. Says - The New York Times


https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/10/us/politics/russia-casualties-ukraine-war.html

Ask the "U.S." about yellowcake, mobile biolabs in Iraq, baby incubators in Kuwait and so on.

https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/20/casualties_eng
You're comparing a website "article" casualty number from 2.5 years ago (3 months after Russia invaded) to a current news story?

This is not a website article, it's the site of Mediazona, a BBC-affiliated nonprofit, and their casualties number follows a strict and detailed methology, and is updated regularly, the latest figure is their estimate through October 10 (though there is a lag of a few weeks on their data). If you scroll down the link above you will see a very detailed list of information on Russian losses.

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Mediazona, in collaboration with BBC News Russian service and a team of volunteers, maintains a named list of deceased Russian military personnel. This list is compiled from verified, publicly available sources, including social media posts by family members, local news reports, and official announcements from regional authorities.
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5:42p, 10/21/24
Is there a way to interpret Russia's use of North Korean troops other than they themselves are depleted?
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In reply to Cal88 • 5:47p, 10/21/24
Cal88 said:
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
Cal88 said:
bearister said:
Russian Casualties in Ukraine Surpass 600,000, U.S. Says - The New York Times


https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/10/us/politics/russia-casualties-ukraine-war.html

Ask the "U.S." about yellowcake, mobile biolabs in Iraq, baby incubators in Kuwait and so on.

https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/20/casualties_eng
You're comparing a website "article" casualty number from 2.5 years ago (3 months after Russia invaded) to a current news story?

This is not a website article, it's the site of Mediazona, a BBC-affiliated nonprofit, and their casualties number follows a strict and detailed methology, and is updated regularly, the latest figure is their estimate through October 10 (though there is a lag of a few weeks on their data). If you scroll down the link above you will see a very detailed list of information on Russian losses.

Quote:
Mediazona, in collaboration with BBC News Russian service and a team of volunteers, maintains a named list of deceased Russian military personnel. This list is compiled from verified, publicly available sources, including social media posts by family members, local news reports, and official announcements from regional authorities.


Putin88 routinely brings up this misleading data no matter how many times I debunk it. A good propagandist never admits they are wrong. They never admit to crooked data. They never admit to a lost bet. They never admit to being wrong. Putin, who is dead, would be proud.
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In reply to bearister • 6:46p, 10/21/24
bearister said:
Russian Casualties in Ukraine Surpass 600,000, U.S. Says - The New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/10/us/politics/russia-casualties-ukraine-war.html


I have a bridge to sell you.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 6:48p, 10/21/24
tequila4kapp said:
Is there a way to interpret Russia's use of North Korean troops other than they themselves are depleted?


With over a one million man army and troops in reserve, they're not depleted.

1. KJI wants in on the fun.
2. NK leaders want their troops to be battle tested
3. NK wants to test their men and weapons in battle
4. KJI wants the PR
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7:27p, 10/21/24
South Korea Could Follow North Into Russia-Ukraine War - Newsweek


https://www.newsweek.com/south-korea-news-could-follow-north-russia-ukraine-war-1972082
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7:33p, 10/21/24
Record high deaths in the Russia-Ukraine war: What you should know | Russia-Ukraine war News | Al Jazeera


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/16/russia-ukraine-wartime-deaths
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In reply to bearister • 8:10p, 10/21/24
bearister said:
Record high deaths in the Russia-Ukraine war: What you should know | Russia-Ukraine war News | Al Jazeera

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/16/russia-ukraine-wartime-deaths


Al Jazeera is a left wing rag like the Wall Street Journal


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In reply to dajo9 • 10:42a, 10/22/24
dajo9 said:
Cal88 said:
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
Cal88 said:
bearister said:
Russian Casualties in Ukraine Surpass 600,000, U.S. Says - The New York Times


https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/10/us/politics/russia-casualties-ukraine-war.html

Ask the "U.S." about yellowcake, mobile biolabs in Iraq, baby incubators in Kuwait and so on.

https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/20/casualties_eng
You're comparing a website "article" casualty number from 2.5 years ago (3 months after Russia invaded) to a current news story?

This is not a website article, it's the site of Mediazona, a BBC-affiliated nonprofit, and their casualties number follows a strict and detailed methology, and is updated regularly, the latest figure is their estimate through October 10 (though there is a lag of a few weeks on their data). If you scroll down the link above you will see a very detailed list of information on Russian losses.

Quote:
Mediazona, in collaboration with BBC News Russian service and a team of volunteers, maintains a named list of deceased Russian military personnel. This list is compiled from verified, publicly available sources, including social media posts by family members, local news reports, and official announcements from regional authorities.


Putin88 routinely brings up this misleading data no matter how many times I debunk it. A good propagandist never admits they are wrong. They never admit to crooked data. They never admit to a lost bet. They never admit to being wrong. Putin, who is dead, would be proud.

Nothing misleading about the Mediazona numbers, you're doubling down on BS as usual. If you weren't constantly wrong, you wouldn't need to resort to slander.
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In reply to bearister • 10:48a, 10/22/24
bearister said:
Record high deaths in the Russia-Ukraine war: What you should know | Russia-Ukraine war News | Al Jazeera


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/16/russia-ukraine-wartime-deaths

There are three main characteristics to the casualties in this war:

- The proportion of civilian deaths is remarkably low, around 2%-3%, vs somewhere in the 90% range for our wars in Iraq or Afghanistan. Almost all the carnage is taking place on the frontlines in a limited number of small deserted towns and villages.

-The ratio of Ukrainian soldiers killed to Russian is very high.

-The number of Ukrainian KIAs is much higher than officially reported, well over half a million at this point.

That article Ukrainian officials claim that the Russians have had 600,000+ KIAs, while Ukraine only 80,000. This is practically the opposite of what the real numbers are.
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In reply to Cal88 • 10:53a, 10/22/24
Cal88 said:
dajo9 said:
Cal88 said:
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
Cal88 said:
bearister said:
Russian Casualties in Ukraine Surpass 600,000, U.S. Says - The New York Times


https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/10/us/politics/russia-casualties-ukraine-war.html

Ask the "U.S." about yellowcake, mobile biolabs in Iraq, baby incubators in Kuwait and so on.

https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/20/casualties_eng
You're comparing a website "article" casualty number from 2.5 years ago (3 months after Russia invaded) to a current news story?

This is not a website article, it's the site of Mediazona, a BBC-affiliated nonprofit, and their casualties number follows a strict and detailed methology, and is updated regularly, the latest figure is their estimate through October 10 (though there is a lag of a few weeks on their data). If you scroll down the link above you will see a very detailed list of information on Russian losses.

Quote:
Mediazona, in collaboration with BBC News Russian service and a team of volunteers, maintains a named list of deceased Russian military personnel. This list is compiled from verified, publicly available sources, including social media posts by family members, local news reports, and official announcements from regional authorities.


Putin88 routinely brings up this misleading data no matter how many times I debunk it. A good propagandist never admits they are wrong. They never admit to crooked data. They never admit to a lost bet. They never admit to being wrong. Putin, who is dead, would be proud.

Nothing misleading about the Mediazona numbers, you're doubling down on BS as usual. If you weren't constantly wrong, you wouldn't need to resort to slander.


The Mediazona numbers are not meant to count all KIA.
Just identified KIA since that info is not made public in Russia.
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In reply to Cal88 • 11:12a, 10/22/24
Cal88 said:
bearister said:
Record high deaths in the Russia-Ukraine war: What you should know | Russia-Ukraine war News | Al Jazeera


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/16/russia-ukraine-wartime-deaths

There are three main characteristics to the casualties in this war:

- The proportion of civilian deaths is remarkably low, around 2%-3%, vs somewhere in the 90% range for our wars in Iraq or Afghanistan. Almost all the carnage is taking place on the frontlines in a limited number of small deserted towns and villages.

-The ratio of Ukrainian soldiers killed to Russian is very high.

-The number of Ukrainian KIAs is much higher than officially reported, well over half a million at this point.

That article Ukrainian officials claim that the Russians have had 600,000+ KIAs, while Ukraine only 80,000. This is practically the opposite of what the real numbers are.

The real numbers are probably about equal number of killed. Split the difference. 300K each give or take 100K.


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In reply to dimitrig • 12:21p, 10/22/24
dimitrig said:
Cal88 said:
bearister said:
Record high deaths in the Russia-Ukraine war: What you should know | Russia-Ukraine war News | Al Jazeera


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/16/russia-ukraine-wartime-deaths

There are three main characteristics to the casualties in this war:

- The proportion of civilian deaths is remarkably low, around 2%-3%, vs somewhere in the 90% range for our wars in Iraq or Afghanistan. Almost all the carnage is taking place on the frontlines in a limited number of small deserted towns and villages.

-The ratio of Ukrainian soldiers killed to Russian is very high.

-The number of Ukrainian KIAs is much higher than officially reported, well over half a million at this point.

That article Ukrainian officials claim that the Russians have had 600,000+ KIAs, while Ukraine only 80,000. This is practically the opposite of what the real numbers are.

The real numbers are probably about equal number of killed. Split the difference. 300K each give or take 100K.

In a static, artillery-dominated war, one side has a 10 to 1 advantage in artillery, a big edge in electronic warfare neutralizing 90% of drone attacks, complete air superiority saturating the battlegrounds with large glide bombs, and uses conservative tactics geared towards preserving their numbers.

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The Mediazona numbers are not meant to count all KIA.

Just identified KIA since that info is not made public in Russia.

Russian parents/wives/family members receive relatively good benefits if their man dies on the front, alongside state and local honors. The aggregate numbers are not made public, but individual deaths are, so it's not that difficult of a job for Mediazona to compile these numbers.

Stop your BS.
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12:46p, 10/22/24
A little OT but the enclosed summary from JP Morgan really is a must read.

Imagine thinking that Russia is the real problem.
Imagine thinking that sending Russia, with all its energy resources, into the arms of China is a good idea.
We are at war with China and we're losing badly.

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In reply to Zippergate • 1:22p, 10/22/24
Zippergate said:
A little OT but the enclosed summary from JP Morgan really is a must read.

Imagine thinking that Russia is the real problem.
Imagine thinking that sending Russia, with all its energy resources, into the arms of China is a good idea.
We are at war with China and we're losing badly.



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Globalism is only a Win/Win when there is true Comparative Advantage for different goods/services across countries.

It does NOT work when the biggest producer of goods in the world is willfully using it as either hostile Industrial Policy OR as its only means of keeping its restive population employed so its governing class can STAY IN POWER.


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China is not "willfully using free trade as a hostile Industrial Policy", they have simply had a better industrial policy geared towards improving their economy, much like Japan and S. Korea have had. In the US, Wall Street-driven excessive financialization and outsourcing of industry as well as the lack of any central planning across entire supply chains has resulted in China building a competitive advantage in a number of emerging industries like electric vehicles.
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In reply to Cal88 • 2:03p, 10/22/24
The coordination between the Chinese government and private industry to dominate various industries is indisputable. They're playing a completely different game. There is no possible way western companies can compete with that which is why China sends us virtually every manufactured good imaginable and we send them scrap and hay.
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In reply to Zippergate • 2:17p, 10/22/24
Germany was fairly competitive with China, until we blew up their pipelines. Ironically with the sanctions on Russia, China is now getting cheaper oil, gas and other resources from them.

We have cheap abundant energy, what we lack is a coherent industrial policy.
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In reply to Cal88 • 2:31p, 10/22/24
Competitive, but for for how much longer even with cheap Russian energy? And Germany is an outlier anyway.

Just saw a stat that blew my mind. In China, capital formation is 45%.
Granted, a good chunk of that is real estate development but capital investment in China is extreme. If every nation did that, what would happen to the world economy? Call it successful industrial policy if you like but it's really just a modern twist on mercantilism, a form of economic warfare. The Japanese viewed it as warfare and so do the Chinese.
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In reply to Cal88 • 3:01p, 10/22/24
Cal88 said:
Germany was fairly competitive with China, until we blew up their pipelines. Ironically with the sanctions on Russia, China is now getting cheaper oil, gas and other resources from them.

We have cheap abundant energy, what we lack is a coherent industrial policy.


We brought back some of the low end chip manufacturing to Arizona. With abundant energy resources, if we altered some of the tariffs with Europe, we could make things interesting.

But we lost a lot of the WWII and Korean War mnf know how, but technology has changed some of that. High schools used to have shop, trade schools help in some areas.

It would be great to also address our own BigPharma manufacturing, or lack thereof. RFK Jr.?
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6:32p, 10/23/24
Russian Pilots Leave Ominous Warning to Putin on Bomb Bound for Kursk - Newsweek


https://www.newsweek.com/russia-putin-bomb-kursk-1973368
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12:49p, 10/24/24
Send your boys and girls.

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7:33p, 10/24/24
Happy video from the Ukrainian border:




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1:37p, 10/25/24

Victoria Nuland. Preserve your documents. Prepare your aise.
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In reply to bear2034 • 1:52p, 10/25/24
Bannon can't control his mouth.
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There are no conspiracy theories but there no coincidences - Steve Bannon
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