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In reply to sycasey • 7:54p, 11/2/24
Call88 - i.e. Trump being an "off-the-scale narcissist". Lots of politicians have massive egos.

Obama (Jarrett) won't leave DC, is openly seeking his 4th term. He said - ON TAPE - he wouldn't mind serving a third term if he could make decisions in the background, and someone else be in front of the cameras. He reportedly has said he's the smartest man in any room.

HRC has written 3, or 4, autobiographies? That surpasses Wilt, and obviously HRC has some kind of alternative marriage, just like the Obamas.

JFK and LBJ - massive egos and terrorized women. JFK allegedly passed off Marilyn to RFK, and JFK asked MM to service somebody in the WH pool. She declined, and he later apologized. JFK reportedly had a very young typist who couldn't type, just for his sexual urges not met by MM or others.

LBJ whipped out his giant schlong, reportedly, in front of Congress ("Jumbo"?), and would hold staff meetings while he defecated. Allegedly a horrible racist.

President Trump actually connects w everyday people unlike Obama, Harris, Pelosi, McCain, Haley, etc.

He's also built businesses, succeeded in several wildly different pursuits, the 3rd while being viciously hounded by the CIA, FBI, NSA, DOJ, DNC, and Five Eyes. It's really astounding.
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In reply to sycasey • 8:00p, 11/2/24
sycasey said:
bear2034 said:
sycasey said:
bear2034 said:
sycasey said:
Big C said:
Cal88 said:
Big C said:
bear2034 said:
Big C said:
movielover said:
He's already a Billionaire, so he has FU money Cruz, Rubio, Biden, Clinton, Obama and others never had, or will have.

Yeah, so if he gets reelected, he will spend his second term making America great again, right?

Flash back 25 years, this is why my Ukranian friends said that people in their country always vote for the incumbent, the second time around.

Bottom line: billionaires, in most cases, can never get enough. That is an understatement for "populist" Trump.

Democrats mock Trump and his lawsuits, and the time, money, and energy wasted on them. But you're saying his motivation is financial greed. People's motivations are usually mixed but even the corporate media haven't taken this approach to criticize Trump this election cycle.

Meanwhile, the Biden crime family have financial connections to Ukraine and big tech suppressed this information in the last election!

Trump's motivations are financial greed, lust for personal power, obsession with his image and a strong desire to keep his azz out of jail. Not saying "wanting to help his country" might not be a distant 5th place there, but no higher than that).

I agree about Trump being an off-the-scale narcissist, but you have to be pretty naive to think that the Clintons, Obama, Biden, Pelosi etc aren't equally politicians that are equally motivated by greed.

Greed is part of human nature, but no, I don't think the politicians you mention are "equally" motivated by greed. Nor are most Republican politicians over the past 50 years or so. Most politicians probably have a bit of narcissism to their personality, but also sincerely want to help their country.
As I have often said: before Trump there had never been a President with ZERO history of public service. Never won public office, no military service, no appointed government positions, nothing. He is an outlier.

Biden, Obama, and the Clintons spent the overwhelming majority of their lives in "public service" and have become extremely wealthy in the process. The net worth of the Obamas and the Clintons before and after the White House is significant in comparison with Trump, who donated his annual government salary while he was President.

Yeah, they were all better presidents, what's your point?

If Trump was involved with "public service' sooner, he would be even wealthier?

I already know that Trump is a subpar businessman.


He built an ice skating rink in months New York City failed to complete after numerous years. He also helped rebuild a deteriorating section of NY, as well as ledvthe successful Apprentice program for numerous years. Jealous?
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In reply to movielover • 8:26p, 11/2/24
"President Trump actually connects w everyday peopleā€¦"

In the same way all con artists "connect" with everyday people. You show me a con man that can't connect with everyday people and I'll show you a guy looking for another line of work to go into.

*tRump is basically a trust fund baby that has treated the working class as little more than prey for his fraudulent schemes his entire life. He has contempt for them.

"USA TODAY NETWORK analysis found he has been involved in more than 3,500 lawsuits over the past three decades, and a large number of those involve ordinary Americans, like the Friels, who say Trump or his companies have refused to pay them.
At least 60 lawsuits, along with hundreds of liens, judgments, and other government filings reviewed by the USA TODAY NETWORK, document people who have accused Trump and his businesses of failing to pay them for their work. Among them: a dishwasher in Florida. A glass company in New Jersey. A carpet company. A plumber. Painters. Forty-eight waiters. Dozens of bartenders and other hourly workers at his resorts and clubs, coast to coast."
-USA Today

*The reason he can't book rallies at facilities that have microphones that he doesn't have to blow is that he has stiffed so many venue operators that no place any good will lease to him.
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In reply to movielover • 8:35p, 11/2/24
movielover said:
sycasey said:
bear2034 said:
sycasey said:
bear2034 said:
sycasey said:
Big C said:
Cal88 said:
Big C said:
bear2034 said:
Big C said:
movielover said:
He's already a Billionaire, so he has FU money Cruz, Rubio, Biden, Clinton, Obama and others never had, or will have.

Yeah, so if he gets reelected, he will spend his second term making America great again, right?

Flash back 25 years, this is why my Ukranian friends said that people in their country always vote for the incumbent, the second time around.

Bottom line: billionaires, in most cases, can never get enough. That is an understatement for "populist" Trump.

Democrats mock Trump and his lawsuits, and the time, money, and energy wasted on them. But you're saying his motivation is financial greed. People's motivations are usually mixed but even the corporate media haven't taken this approach to criticize Trump this election cycle.

Meanwhile, the Biden crime family have financial connections to Ukraine and big tech suppressed this information in the last election!

Trump's motivations are financial greed, lust for personal power, obsession with his image and a strong desire to keep his azz out of jail. Not saying "wanting to help his country" might not be a distant 5th place there, but no higher than that).

I agree about Trump being an off-the-scale narcissist, but you have to be pretty naive to think that the Clintons, Obama, Biden, Pelosi etc aren't equally politicians that are equally motivated by greed.

Greed is part of human nature, but no, I don't think the politicians you mention are "equally" motivated by greed. Nor are most Republican politicians over the past 50 years or so. Most politicians probably have a bit of narcissism to their personality, but also sincerely want to help their country.
As I have often said: before Trump there had never been a President with ZERO history of public service. Never won public office, no military service, no appointed government positions, nothing. He is an outlier.

Biden, Obama, and the Clintons spent the overwhelming majority of their lives in "public service" and have become extremely wealthy in the process. The net worth of the Obamas and the Clintons before and after the White House is significant in comparison with Trump, who donated his annual government salary while he was President.

Yeah, they were all better presidents, what's your point?

If Trump was involved with "public service' sooner, he would be even wealthier?

I already know that Trump is a subpar businessman.


He built an ice skating rink in months New York City failed to complete after numerous years. He also helped rebuild a deteriorating section of NY, as well as ledvthe successful Apprentice program for numerous years. Jealous?

Wow, an ice skating rink. You showed me!
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In reply to sycasey • 8:43p, 11/2/24
sycasey said:
movielover said:
sycasey said:
bear2034 said:
sycasey said:
bear2034 said:
sycasey said:
Big C said:
Cal88 said:
Big C said:
bear2034 said:
Big C said:
movielover said:
He's already a Billionaire, so he has FU money Cruz, Rubio, Biden, Clinton, Obama and others never had, or will have.

Yeah, so if he gets reelected, he will spend his second term making America great again, right?

Flash back 25 years, this is why my Ukranian friends said that people in their country always vote for the incumbent, the second time around.

Bottom line: billionaires, in most cases, can never get enough. That is an understatement for "populist" Trump.

Democrats mock Trump and his lawsuits, and the time, money, and energy wasted on them. But you're saying his motivation is financial greed. People's motivations are usually mixed but even the corporate media haven't taken this approach to criticize Trump this election cycle.

Meanwhile, the Biden crime family have financial connections to Ukraine and big tech suppressed this information in the last election!

Trump's motivations are financial greed, lust for personal power, obsession with his image and a strong desire to keep his azz out of jail. Not saying "wanting to help his country" might not be a distant 5th place there, but no higher than that).

I agree about Trump being an off-the-scale narcissist, but you have to be pretty naive to think that the Clintons, Obama, Biden, Pelosi etc aren't equally politicians that are equally motivated by greed.

Greed is part of human nature, but no, I don't think the politicians you mention are "equally" motivated by greed. Nor are most Republican politicians over the past 50 years or so. Most politicians probably have a bit of narcissism to their personality, but also sincerely want to help their country.
As I have often said: before Trump there had never been a President with ZERO history of public service. Never won public office, no military service, no appointed government positions, nothing. He is an outlier.

Biden, Obama, and the Clintons spent the overwhelming majority of their lives in "public service" and have become extremely wealthy in the process. The net worth of the Obamas and the Clintons before and after the White House is significant in comparison with Trump, who donated his annual government salary while he was President.

Yeah, they were all better presidents, what's your point?

If Trump was involved with "public service' sooner, he would be even wealthier?

I already know that Trump is a subpar businessman.


He built an ice skating rink in months New York City failed to complete after numerous years. He also helped rebuild a deteriorating section of NY, as well as ledvthe successful Apprentice program for numerous years. Jealous?

Wow, an ice skating rink. You showed me!


He's got my vote!
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In reply to movielover • 1:38a, 11/3/24
movielover said:
Call88 - i.e. Trump being an "off-the-scale narcissist". Lots of politicians have massive egos.

Obama (Jarrett) won't leave DC, is openly seeking his 4th term. He said - ON TAPE - he wouldn't mind serving a third term if he could make decisions in the background, and someone else be in front of the cameras. He reportedly has said he's the smartest man in any room.

HRC has written 3, or 4, autobiographies? That surpasses Wilt, and obviously HRC has some kind of alternative marriage, just like the Obamas.

JFK and LBJ - massive egos and terrorized women. JFK allegedly passed off Marilyn to RFK, and JFK asked MM to service somebody in the WH pool. She declined, and he later apologized. JFK reportedly had a very young typist who couldn't type, just for his sexual urges not met by MM or others.

LBJ whipped out his giant schlong, reportedly, in front of Congress ("Jumbo"?), and would hold staff meetings while he defecated. Allegedly a horrible racist.

President Trump actually connects w everyday people unlike Obama, Harris, Pelosi, McCain, Haley, etc.

He's also built businesses, succeeded in several wildly different pursuits, the 3rd while being viciously hounded by the CIA, FBI, NSA, DOJ, DNC, and Five Eyes. It's really astounding.
Trump went bankrupt running casinos. That's not easy to do. It takes a wide expertise in bad business practices.
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2:14a, 11/3/24

Zelensky abandoned that deal at the behest of the US and UK, who wanted to use Ukraine to bleed Russia -- no matter how much death and destruction ensued.


This reality remains censored by Western media -- across the spectrum -- with Ukrainians left to pay the price:
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In reply to bearister • 3:50p, 11/3/24
Lots of alleged "con men" can't attract lots of followers... Anthony Robbins, Richard Simmons, Ron DeSantis (aided by RINOs, succeeds on a state but not Federal level).

Donald Trump was the toast of New York, Liberal Democrats, and while the Liberals and Jewish clubs barred Black memberships, Trump opened his country clubs to one and all. He aided Jesse Jackson and the NAALCP, young upcoming Black entrepreneurs, and rebuilt neglected sections of New York.

Yes, he was a media hound. Oprah loved him. He stumbled in New Jersey, as many did, and rebounded. He hired a woman to be his PM on Trump Tower, a rare occurrence in a male-dominated field. He then conquered TV with the Apprentice for years.

Then he declared as a GOP candidate for President, and the Democrats turned on him. He then branded the MSM 'Fake News', and they became arch enemies.

His Presidency was a clear success - the first citizen-candidate ever elected!

- no new wars
- 5 peace deals
- low inflation
- closed southern border
- China humbled
- peace talks w North Korea
- support of Israel

But go ahead and launch your juvenile Alinsky attacks. The Marxists may win and substantially degrade our republic. Hopefully not.
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In reply to Genocide Joe 8 • 4:52p, 11/3/24
Democrat Onions said:
bear2034 said:

Zelensky abandoned that deal at the behest of the US and UK, who wanted to use Ukraine to bleed Russia -- no matter how much death and destruction ensued.


This reality remains censored by Western media -- across the spectrum -- with Ukrainians left to pay the price:
It's always a good day to laugh at Ukraine war cheerleaders like the dearly departed Unit2Sucks and dajo9 for their third grade good vs.evil understanding of the war.




That's a 10 minute masterclass on the Ukraine war by Sachs. Should be as essential as Mearsheimer 2015 YT lecture with 30 million views where he lays out the facts and predicts the outcome of NATO policies a full decade before the war.

Still no sign of life from U2Sucks, his prolific posting career came to a sudden halt 6 months ago, just as it became clear even to the Slava Ukraini faithful that the wheels were coming off that whole campaign.
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5:59p, 11/3/24
W. Europe, especially Germany, was the main economic victim of the sanctions on Russia -



German industry is reeling from the shutdown of cheap Russian gas imports with ballooning energy costs. The largest private employer in Germany, Volkswagen, is shutting down German production.

Ironically, VW was one of the leading brands in Russia before the war. VW under pressure from their government dumped their plants there and now they are being used to their full capacity by a local group who took over the operations. Russia is trolling Germany by offering employment there to laid off German workers.


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In reply to Cal88 • 6:25p, 11/3/24
Cal88 said:
Democrat Onions said:
bear2034 said:

Zelensky abandoned that deal at the behest of the US and UK, who wanted to use Ukraine to bleed Russia -- no matter how much death and destruction ensued.


This reality remains censored by Western media -- across the spectrum -- with Ukrainians left to pay the price:
It's always a good day to laugh at Ukraine war cheerleaders like the dearly departed Unit2Sucks and dajo9 for their third grade good vs.evil understanding of the war.




That's a 10 minute masterclass on the Ukraine war by Sachs. Should be as essential as Mearsheimer 2015 YT lecture with 30 million views where he lays out the facts and predicts the outcome of NATO policies a full decade before the war.

Still no sign of life from U2Sucks, his prolific posting career came to a sudden halt 6 months ago, just as it became clear even to the Slava Ukraini faithful that the wheels were coming off that whole campaign.


Wholly impressive. And communicated perfectly.
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In reply to movielover • 8:23p, 11/3/24
It's good, but he left some details out that would have made it even more persuasive.
- demographics of the country
- persecution of the eastern republics, cutting off water to Crimea
- the votes there
- the biolabs, the US spooks on the ground
- Minsk agreements
- the massive arming of Ukraine by the West
- papers by neocons unambiguously stating US intentions to weaken Russia and other European allies not in response to Russia aggression but simply for the purpose of strengthening US hegemony
etc. etc.
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8:36p, 11/3/24
With all the threats tRump makes against his enemies, it makes a lot of since why tRumpers do card stunts for Russkies:

List of Russian assassinations - Wikipedia


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_assassinations
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In reply to Zippergate • 9:53p, 11/3/24
But is it hegemony if we're taking people out by force?
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In reply to bearister • 9:55p, 11/3/24
Russia engages in some really bad activities (and aligns itself with the most inherently evil regime, Iran) so therefore all these facts about the conflict don't matter? Perhaps you should expand you color palette beyond black and white. And you might want to train your shrewd powers of observation on the US and its involvement in Iraq, Syria, Libya, South America, etc.
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In reply to Zippergate • 7:33a, 11/4/24
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Russia engages in some really bad activities (and aligns itself with the most inherently evil regime, Iran)
OK, this makes it apparent that Zippergate and Cal88 are two different people.
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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 7:44a, 11/4/24
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
Zippergate said:
Russia engages in some really bad activities (and aligns itself with the most inherently evil regime, Iran)
OK, this makes it apparent that Zippergate and Cal88 are two different people.
That's what they WANT you to think.
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In reply to sycasey • 8:11a, 11/4/24
I would note that there is a whole lot more disagreement on the side opposing establishment Democrats on this board than on your side supporting establishment Democrats, where you guys are pretty much in lockstep over most issues.
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In reply to Cal88 • 8:13a, 11/4/24
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I would note that there is a whole lot more disagreement on the side opposing establishment Democrats on this board than on your side supporting establishment Democrats, where you guys are pretty much in lockstep over most issues.
Sorry, gotta disagree again. Goosestep, not lockstep.
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In reply to sycasey • 10:28a, 11/4/24
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:
Zippergate said:
Russia engages in some really bad activities (and aligns itself with the most inherently evil regime, Iran)
OK, this makes it apparent that Zippergate and Cal88 are two different people.
That's what they WANT you to think.





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> OK, this makes it apparent that Zippergate and Cal88 are two different people.

nox nix, block all the b'tards and let oski sort it out
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In reply to Cal88 • 2:42p, 11/5/24
What do you think of Sandu's re-election in Moldova, Moldovan expats in Russia allegedly restricted from voting, but those in the EU free to flood the zone w mail in ballots?

Is this another impending conflict / leverage point for NATO neocons?

Is the election moderately clean?
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In reply to movielover • 3:00p, 11/5/24
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What do you think of Sandu's re-election in Moldova, Moldovan expats in Russia allegedly restricted from voting, but those in the EU free to flood the zone w mail in ballots?

Is this another impending conflict / leverage point for NATO neocons?

Is the election moderately clean?

Apparently they have sent 10,000 ballots to the Moldavan in Russia, and only 2 voting stations, for a community of over 400,000 expats. So yeah, bigtime rig.
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3:45p, 11/5/24
I think the tRump and the MAGAs have ushered in a Neo Cambridge 5 Era.

Cambridge Five - Wikipedia


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Five
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In reply to Genocide Joe 13 • 1:08p, 11/6/24
Happy Roevember said:
Cal88 said:
Your hero betrayed you Democrats. Now you have permission to oppose the destruction of the Ukrainian people



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11:25a, 11/8/24

It's happening now.
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11:35a, 11/8/24
Trump promptly removed from the Ukrainian kill list after his election:

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12:07p, 11/8/24

Round 1 of peace negotiations have failed.
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In reply to bear2034 • 12:51p, 11/8/24
We'll see. Trump understands leverage, and one can't trust the enemedia / Obozo. They told us Dementia Biden was sharp for five years.
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1:12p, 11/8/24
Zelensky has to play hard to get because he has to placate the Banderists breathing down his neck, lest he end up shot like this unfortunate Ukrainian peace negotiator:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denys_Kireyev
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In reply to Cal88 • 3:51p, 11/8/24
He probably needs to be escorted out by a seal team to the Americas.
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In reply to movielover • 4:50p, 11/8/24
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He probably needs to be escorted out by a seal team to the Americas.

His bodyguards reportedly are British SAS. One of them wore his Ukraine flag patch upside down, something a Ukrainian would never do.

Zelenski will bail out as soon as he can, might be as early as next year.

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In reply to Cal88 • 4:57p, 11/8/24
If you want to be Legend, you gotta go like Che, with a rifle in your hands.


When they kick at your front door
How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun
When the law break in
How you gonna go?
Shot down on the pavement
Or waiting in death row
-The Clash, Guns of Brixton
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In reply to bearister • 7:59p, 11/8/24
Short, classic.

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