The Official Russian Invasion of Ukraine Thread

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bearister said:

movielover said:

To slaughter more young men in an unwinnable war.

It is within Putin's power to end that tomorrow. I feel more sorry for the Russian and North Korean lads getting killed and maimed because they don't even have any skin in the game. They are just following orders, much like our soldiers in Vietnam that took their last breath on foreign soil.

EXPLAINER: Why Did Russia Invade Ukraine?


https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/explainer-why-did-russia-invade-ukraine


What about the Ukrainians that oppose the CIA led coupe?
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oski003 said:

bearister said:

movielover said:

To slaughter more young men in an unwinnable war.

It is within Putin's power to end that tomorrow. I feel more sorry for the Russian and North Korean lads getting killed and maimed because they don't even have any skin in the game. They are just following orders, much like our soldiers in Vietnam that took their last breath on foreign soil.

EXPLAINER: Why Did Russia Invade Ukraine?


https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/explainer-why-did-russia-invade-ukraine


What about the Ukrainians that oppose the CIA led coupe?

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bearister said:

oski003 said:

bearister said:

movielover said:

To slaughter more young men in an unwinnable war.

It is within Putin's power to end that tomorrow. I feel more sorry for the Russian and North Korean lads getting killed and maimed because they don't even have any skin in the game. They are just following orders, much like our soldiers in Vietnam that took their last breath on foreign soil.

EXPLAINER: Why Did Russia Invade Ukraine?


https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/explainer-why-did-russia-invade-ukraine


What about the Ukrainians that oppose the CIA led coupe?

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US News won't mention this basic fact about Ukraine:

2004 elections:


2010 elections:


As I've mentioned earlier this week, the ball is in Ukraine/NATO's court, they can stop the war and freeze the current border (roughly), or they can keep going, add another 100,000-250,000 more Ukrainain KIAs on top of the 600k+ already dead, and lose the entire blue region above to Russia.

Russia - not Putin, Russia, any Russian leader - will not stop the war until Kiev recognizes Crimea and Donbas as Russian, and they pull out of NATO's military orbit.
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Cal88 said:

bearister said:

oski003 said:

bearister said:

movielover said:

To slaughter more young men in an unwinnable war.

It is within Putin's power to end that tomorrow. I feel more sorry for the Russian and North Korean lads getting killed and maimed because they don't even have any skin in the game. They are just following orders, much like our soldiers in Vietnam that took their last breath on foreign soil.

EXPLAINER: Why Did Russia Invade Ukraine?


https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/explainer-why-did-russia-invade-ukraine


What about the Ukrainians that oppose the CIA led coupe?

Elvis Presley said the only sure things in life are hookers and Coupe de Villes.


US News won't mention this basic fact about Ukraine:

2004 elections:


2010 elections:


As I've mentioned earlier this week, the ball is in Ukraine/NATO's court, they can stop the war and freeze the current border (roughly), or they can keep going, add another 100,000-250,000 more Ukrainain KIAs on top of the 600k+ already dead, and lose the entire blue region above to Russia.

Russia - not Putin, Russia, any Russian leader - will not stop the war until Kiev recognizes Crimea and Donbas as Russian, and they pull out of NATO's military orbit.
How do you analyze the rather similar Red State/Blue State divide in US elections? It sounds like Canada should invade the West Coast and Northeast to save the oppressed Blue States.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Cal88 said:

bearister said:

oski003 said:

bearister said:

movielover said:

To slaughter more young men in an unwinnable war.

It is within Putin's power to end that tomorrow. I feel more sorry for the Russian and North Korean lads getting killed and maimed because they don't even have any skin in the game. They are just following orders, much like our soldiers in Vietnam that took their last breath on foreign soil.

EXPLAINER: Why Did Russia Invade Ukraine?


https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/explainer-why-did-russia-invade-ukraine


What about the Ukrainians that oppose the CIA led coupe?

Elvis Presley said the only sure things in life are hookers and Coupe de Villes.


US News won't mention this basic fact about Ukraine:

2004 elections:


2010 elections:


As I've mentioned earlier this week, the ball is in Ukraine/NATO's court, they can stop the war and freeze the current border (roughly), or they can keep going, add another 100,000-250,000 more Ukrainain KIAs on top of the 600k+ already dead, and lose the entire blue region above to Russia.

Russia - not Putin, Russia, any Russian leader - will not stop the war until Kiev recognizes Crimea and Donbas as Russian, and they pull out of NATO's military orbit.
How do you analyze the rather similar Red State/Blue State divide in US elections? It sounds like Canada should invade the West Coast and Northeast to save the oppressed Blue States.

I did bring up Canada as an example here.

If the Canadian government in Ottawa banned the use of French as an official language across the country, Quebec would immediately choose to secede. The Quebecois contingent of the Canadian army would turn against the government, instantly.

This is what happened in Ukraine in 2014, eastern and southern Ukraine rose against Kiev. There has been a civil war in Ukraine since then, the Kiev government bombed Donbas cities and the Ukrainian president even bragged about Donbas children having to grow up sheltering in their basements.

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I hope this is televised

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Zippergate said:

I hope this is televised




The treason statute in the United States is 18 U.S. Code 2381. It states that anyone who:

Levies war against the United States while owing allegiance to them
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I don't think tRump fell under the treason statute either. He probably ran afoul of election interference and sedition statutes.

Some of these guys in tRump's inner circle are so excited about touching dicks with him that they are forgetting that tRump, once he becomes a sitting President again, is the only one that his SCOTUS gave a free pass to say and do anything he wants without consequence.

Vindman should hire the Susman Godfrey law firm, the attorneys that sued Fox News for Dominion Voting Systems, to sue Musk for republishing that defamation. The measure of punitive damages against the richest man in the world would be HUGE.

Now that tRump has his hands on the levers of power again, why is he even allowing 4th rate characters like Gorka to have any involvement?

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I guess I didn't read the treason statute when I wrote it. I'm flattered my posts are so quickly retrievable by you. Just tell me there's no shrine involved.
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Has Boris always been such an idiot?

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movielover said:

Do ours travel at Mach 11, and deliver 36 independently directed warheads?


The Russian missile delivered 6, not 36. Each warhead had 6 submunitions which is how the total was 36.

The US has similar technology, yes. Warheads are at Mach20 at reentry and slow to Mach10 in the air.

You don't really believe that Russia, which spends 10% on defense what the US does, has developed a weapons system more capable than any American weapons system, do you?

China has similar missiles as well. It's sad that you are so easily excited by Russian propaganda. You are so gullible.
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Cal88 said:

dimitrig said:

Cal88 said:

This is a very good account of that weapon from one of the best channels on military air power, run by an Italian engineer based in England.



The satellite pictures from the Daily Mail are pretty grainy, and the general tone of that article is quite worrisome given the seriousness of the situation. We've never been closer to WW3.


It's an ICBM essentially.

The US has these also.

Stop wetting your panties over it.


It isn't an ICBM, several notable differences including the lower/non-ballistic trajectory, capable of maneuvering at hypersonic speed at lower altitudes, and the guided warheads with hypersonic reentry speed that don't slow down. ICBMs are usually fired on a straight parabolic trajectory and can thus be intercepted relatively easily with systems like the S-400.

The video above is a serious and relatively unbiased source (leans pro-NATO). Scroll to the 18:00 for his conclusions: basically the Russians can now disable almost all NATO air bases with 1/20th the number of conventional missiles previously needed, negating NATO's main advantage over Russia, air power.


It's a modified ICBM with shorter range and as such doesn't need to enter space. That's all. The range is so short it can't even reach the US so I am not sure what good disabling "NATO air bases" in Europe is if the US can retaliate from the US mainland.

You know that Russia will never attack NATO, right, unless Putin decides he wants to create a nuclear holocaust? So don't worry too much about that.

It isn't easy to intercept ICBMs, by the way. I don't know if any country truly has that capability. It's a difficult problem. The S400 is certainly not capable of intercepting inbound warheads traveling at Mach20.

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We have a lot of waste, fraud, and then outsource so much production. It looks like Russia has a huge cost advantage. Russia employs a lot of its engineers in the military, not making consumer gadgets, games and social media apps.
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dimitrig said:

movielover said:

Do ours travel at Mach 11, and deliver 36 independently directed warheads?


The Russian missile delivered 6, not 36. Each warhead had 6 submunitions which is how the total was 36.

The US has similar technology, yes. Warheads are at Mach20 at reentry and slow to Mach10 in the air.

You don't really believe that Russia, which spends 10% on defense what the US does, has developed a weapons system more capable than any American weapons system, do you?

China has similar missiles as well. It's sad that you are so easily excited by Russian propaganda. You are so gullible.


36 warheads, not 6, because they don't scatter randomly, they are individually guided.

The US doesn't have similar technology, because we have a very different military doctrine. It's the same reason why Russia has a stockpile of 10,000+ SAM interceptor missiles vs less than a thousand for the US. US military doctrine is based on air superiority. The Russians have had to develop better missile tech and new weapons like hypersonic glide missiles (HGV) like the Avangard because they don't have the same size air force or the logistical capacity to conduct large-scale bombing campaigns against a peer opponent.

The Russians have been focusing on hypersonic missiles for decades now, building around magnetohydrodynamics (MHD) science, which was pioneered by French physicist Jean-Pierre Petit. Today they have a 10-year lead over the US.

How Russian hypersonic missiles work:
https://www.jp-petit.org/nouv_f/2022-05-09%20MHD%20to%20Scientific%20American.pdf

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You don't really believe that Russia, which spends 10% on defense what the US does, has developed a weapons system more capable than any American weapons system, do you?
The F-35 development budget was well over a trillion, now ballooning into $2 trillion. The Russians, French and Swedes have developed their last jet fighter project in less than 5% of that budget. The US MIC is the biggest, most bloated bureaucracy in human history.


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It's a modified ICBM with shorter range and as such doesn't need to enter space. That's all. The range is so short it can't even reach the US so I am not sure what good disabling "NATO air bases" in Europe is if the US can retaliate from the US mainland.

It isn't easy to intercept ICBMs, by the way. I don't know if any country truly has that capability. It's a difficult problem. The S400 is certainly not capable of intercepting inbound warheads traveling at Mach20.

These missiles can easily be upgraded to reach most of the US from eastern Russia. The Russians however will hit US targets in Europe or the mideast before the mainland, for political reasons.

The S-400 is designed to hit, among other items, ballistic missiles, which it has done before.
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Russian rouble drops to lowest level against the dollar in 32 months | Business and Economy News | Al Jazeera


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/27/russian-rouble-drops-to-lowest-level-against-the-dollar-in-32-months

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How thecWedt overthrew Ukraine.

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bearister said:

Russian rouble drops to lowest level against the dollar in 32 months | Business and Economy News | Al Jazeera


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/27/russian-rouble-drops-to-lowest-level-against-the-dollar-in-32-months




So much winning!
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And more to come!
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sonofabear51 said:

And more to come!

here is the real picture:







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Cal88 said:

sonofabear51 said:

And more to come!

here is the real picture:





Hey, it's on Twitter. It must be true!
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Cal88 said:

sonofabear51 said:

And more to come!

here is the real picture:

Hey, it's on Twitter. It must be true!


Perhaps in due time you could understand that the IMF and Reuters are not fictitious organizations.
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Ruble at a 32 - month low last week.

The Russian economy that was largely resilient to sanctions the past 2+ years of war, is now suddenly showing serious strains.

Largely because of the Biden Administration finally sanctioning the last unsanctioned bank.

Gazprombank.

Ruble plunging.
Inflation surging.

Putin said Thursday, "The situation is under control and there are certainly no grounds for panic."
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DiabloWags said:

Ruble at a 32 - month low last week.

The Russian economy that was largely resilient to sanctions the past 2+ years of war, is now suddenly showing serious strains.

Largely because of the Biden Administration finally sanctioning the last unsanctioned bank.

Gazprombank.

Ruble plunging.
Inflation surging.

Putin said Thursday, "The situation is under control and there are certainly no grounds for panic."



That's because his stooge will be inaugurated soon.
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DiabloWags said:

Ruble at a 32 - month low last week.

The Russian economy that was largely resilient to sanctions the past 2+ years of war, is now suddenly showing serious strains.

Largely because of the Biden Administration finally sanctioning the last unsanctioned bank.

Gazprombank.

Ruble plunging.
Inflation surging.

Putin said Thursday, "The situation is under control and there are certainly no grounds for panic."


The US$ has risen vs most currencies, a fact you did acknowledge in other threads. As wel, oil prices have come down this Fall. Those are the main drivers for the recent ~10% drop in the Ruble vs the USD value.
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^sounds good, the devil is in the details.
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Idiot Democrats can't stop.

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Cal88 said:

^sounds good, the devil is in the details.

I thought US arms assistance to Ukraine was a red line?
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sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

^sounds good, the devil is in the details.

I thought US arms assistance to Ukraine was a red line?

At least there are 2 other main conditions that are met. As for the third (US security guarantee to Ukraine including ongoing arms assistance), they went back and forth on that at the Istanbul peace negotiations and almost found a compromise. All in all this sounds like a reasonable starting negotiating platform.
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And only after 3 days of war!
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Haloski said:

And only after 3 days of war!

Why do you think the war lasted almost 3 years, and shouldn't NATO have let Ukraine accept the Istanbul Peace Agreement in April '22, half a million lives ago? Or better yet, not broken the Minsk Agreements which led to this war?
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Cal88 said:

…..they went back and forth on that at the Istanbul peace negotiations…

My sister took me to see this when I was 11:


English: That Man in Istanbul

It made a big impression on me. One of the dozens and dozens of faux Bond films. Horst Buchholz (of Magnificent Seven) Fame drove a red Jaguar XKE (in the poster it looks like a Corvette). Klaus Kinski (A Few Dollars More) was in it.
……but I digress.
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- All part of a backdrop of an unwinnable war for Ukraine. -

So we sent medium-range missiles to Ukraine, who sent them nominally into Russia.

Putin then hit Ukraine with a hypersonic 36 warhead unblockable kinetic missile.

He said any more missiles into Russia, and he'll immediately respond.

So Ukraine follows with a few more medium-range missiles.

Putin then sends upwards of 90 missiles into Ukraine, drones, and other goodies, hitting military and power stations.

Ritter now claims up to another 5 million people - the number seems high to me - Ukranians will leave the country because they won't have power, and it's winter. They'll freeze.

So Europe, already bursting at the seams, will now have to absorb 1 to 5 million additional war refugees.
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> My sister took me to see this when I was 11

..all the best to sisters everywhere # and bothers too
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DiabloWags said:

Ruble at a 32 - month low last week.

The Russian economy that was largely resilient to sanctions the past 2+ years of war, is now suddenly showing serious strains.

Largely because of the Biden Administration finally sanctioning the last unsanctioned bank.

Gazprombank.

Ruble plunging.
Inflation surging.

Putin said Thursday, "The situation is under control and there are certainly no grounds for panic."

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