BearGoggles said:
Cal88 said:
BearGoggles said:
Cal88 said:
BearGoggles said:
Cal88 said:
^I agree about the Abraham Accords not being a source of regional stability as they fail to address the fundamental issue of Palestine.
The Abraham accords did address (and redress) the fundamental source of regional instability - they are/were essentially an alliance against Iran. The fact that you think "Palestine" is the fundamental issue is pretty humorous, as the Abraham accords were, literally, a rejection of that prior premise.
The surrounding Arab countries don't really care about the Palestinians other than to use them if/when it provides a political advantage. If they did really care, they would be accepting Palestinian refugees and working harder to remove Hamas.
What constitutes humor for you here is the pretty sick notion that Palestine doesn't exist and that its original inhabitants should be thrown out from their own country.
Unfortunately that is pretty much the foundation of zionism, and what we've been seeing in the incredibly violent ongoing ethnic cleansing of Gaza, the elimination of Palestine, which as you have implied above is part of the Abraham Accords.
Can you read? I wrote that thinking Palestine is the fundamental issue was humorous - because it reveals how misguided and delusional you are. I said nothing about whether Palestine "exists".
To that point, if you want Palestine to exist and the suffering in Gaza to end, you would be advocating for Hamas to surrender and the return of the hostages. But you don't. So it seems pretty clear you have no desire to see a lasting peace, a two state solution, and/or a better life for Palestinians. Your way of thinking (with the false claims of genocide, absurd claims of "original inhabitants", and denial of Palestinian agency) is big part of the problem.
Bibi and co don't give a crap about the hostages, they have killed hundreds of Israelis on October 7 and since. They are being used as a pretext to conduct their genocide in Gaza.
Israel doesn't want a 2 state solution, and you know it. Coming from a guy who denies that the Palestinians are the original inhabitants of Palestine, that level of obfuscation is expected.
Again, you display a basic lack of reading comprehension. I said absurd claims about original inhabitants. Those claims are absurd because they are meaningless and unproductive. Jews can trace their existence in Israel back over 3,000 years - they were refugees thousands of years before 1948. Both groups have a history in the area and to suggest that the current dispute (and resolution thereof) is tied to "who was there first" is idiotic. If that were the correct paradigm, Native Americans would be returned to power and all arabs/muslims would be removed from Europe. The world doesn't work that way.
By your logic, Arabs will have a claim on Spain, not today but in the year 3,500, because they occupied Spain for 700 years two millennia ago. This is how twisted and absurd your brand of logic is. The irony is that most Ashkenazis aren't even descendants of the original Hebrews who lived in Palestine 2,000 years ago.
You have to be completely brainwashed to buy into the zionist narrative. Thankfully today only the more gaslit Boomers and more gullible right wingers do, you are losing the plot as the world is witnessing the incredible level of savagery displayed by the Israeli in the conduct of this genocide.
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Do you support a two state solution, where Israel is an independent Jewish state and Palestinians have an independent country? I support that as the ultimate goal. I don't believe you do.
The majority of Israelis would support that (even if Bibi might not), though many do not feel it is possible in the current environment where Hamas and other radicals hold sway.
So now I'm waiting for two things from you:
1. Do you support a two state solution, where Israel is an independent Jewish state and Palestinians have an independent country?
The Israeli parliament voted this month to annex the entirety of the West Bank,
by a vote of 71 to 13, reflecting the fact that the great majority of Israelis don't want a two state solution. I don't believe you do want a 2-state solution either, because you were lying about that basic fact, I seriously doubt you didn't know about that vote.
I would be in favor of the 2 state solution along the 1967 borders, as do most Palestinians and most of the world. Personally I think they should go back to the 1948 borders, but as the saying goes, you can't be more Catholic than the Pope,
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2. What are the names of the "thousands" of Palestinian "hostages" and what were the circumstances of their "abduction."
Israeli Jewish human rights group documents these arbitrary Israeli arrests
https://hamoked.org/ 16.01.2023|Reports|HaMoked Report
On Flimsy Grounds: Israel's Pervasive Night Arrests of Palestinian Childrenhttps://hamoked.org/document.php?dID=Documents4891 07.11.2024|Reports|HaMoked Report
Unaccounted For: Disappearance of Gaza Palestinians After They Were in the Custody of Israeli Security Forceshttps://hamoked.org/document.php?dID=Documents5152There is evidence of systematic torture and rape of these abducted Palestinian children in Israeli jail.
Those are the findings of an Israeli Jewish NGO, PCATI
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The Public Committee Against Torture in Israel (PCATI; Hebrew: ) is an Israeli NGO established in 1990 that monitors the use of torture and ill-treatment by Israeli security services against Palestinians under detention.



Now my turn to question you.
1- Do you deny the existence of widespread systematic torture of Palestinian detainees in Israeli jails, as widely documented by Israeli and western NGOs?
2- Do you deny that Israel is ethnically cleansing Gaza, and indiscriminately killing tens of thousands of Gazans, while also starving them?