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https://medicine.yale.edu/lab/khoshnood/news-article/ukraines-stolen-children-inside-russias-network-of-re-education-and-militarization/

Appreciate the wartime propaganda!

I can't believe anyone would post WARTIME PROPAGANDA here!
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sycasey said:

ACC Bear said:

sycasey said:



https://medicine.yale.edu/lab/khoshnood/news-article/ukraines-stolen-children-inside-russias-network-of-re-education-and-militarization/

Appreciate the wartime propaganda!

I can't believe anyone would post WARTIME PROPAGANDA here!

oh, trust me, we mosdef got our share of soviet operatives on cybears
# oops, my lips are sealed / said too much
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smh said:

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smh said:

> Lavrov: "The Russian army never strikes civilian targets"

aand never lies, riiight


Civilian casualties in the Ukraine war amount to 2% of the total. Contrast with Gaza where it's around 90%.

yeahbut '88 in Gaza there's (really) only one army left.


There's also the implementation of an ethnic cleansing plan, Gaza looks a lot like the Trail of Tears or the Armenian Genocide, whereas Ukraine looks like WW1, hell in the trenches, but people going about their daily business in cities away from the front.
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smh said:

sycasey said:

ACC Bear said:

sycasey said:



https://medicine.yale.edu/lab/khoshnood/news-article/ukraines-stolen-children-inside-russias-network-of-re-education-and-militarization/

Appreciate the wartime propaganda!

I can't believe anyone would post WARTIME PROPAGANDA here!

oh, trust me, we mosdef got our share of soviet operatives on cybears
# oops, my lips are sealed / said too much

Shorter Yogi:

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sycasey said:

ACC Bear said:

sycasey said:



https://medicine.yale.edu/lab/khoshnood/news-article/ukraines-stolen-children-inside-russias-network-of-re-education-and-militarization/

Appreciate the wartime propaganda!

I can't believe anyone would post WARTIME PROPAGANDA here!

The only person who posted more U.S./NATO war propaganda in this thread at least had the self-respect to leave the forum and never return after even he couldn't pretend the war was going the way he imagined any more. But you keep doing you.
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ACC Bear said:

sycasey said:

ACC Bear said:

sycasey said:



https://medicine.yale.edu/lab/khoshnood/news-article/ukraines-stolen-children-inside-russias-network-of-re-education-and-militarization/

Appreciate the wartime propaganda!

I can't believe anyone would post WARTIME PROPAGANDA here!

The only person who posted more U.S./NATO war propaganda in this thread at least had the self-respect to leave the forum and never return after even he couldn't pretend the war was going the way he imagined any more. But you keep doing you.

I think you'll survive.

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sycasey said:

ACC Bear said:

sycasey said:

ACC Bear said:

sycasey said:



https://medicine.yale.edu/lab/khoshnood/news-article/ukraines-stolen-children-inside-russias-network-of-re-education-and-militarization/

Appreciate the wartime propaganda!

I can't believe anyone would post WARTIME PROPAGANDA here!

The only person who posted more U.S./NATO war propaganda in this thread at least had the self-respect to leave the forum and never return after even he couldn't pretend the war was going the way he imagined any more. But you keep doing you.

I think you'll survive.



I'm surprised the Ghost of Kiev didn't shoot them down.

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Mig-31s vs F-35s would have been a very interesting matchup, kind of like prime time fight between heavyweights.
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sycasey said:



"NATO Invokes Article 4, Is It About To Trigger War With Russia After ...
Sep 10, 2025 NATO allies discussed situation with respect to Russia under the provisions of its Article 4 after a Russian drone attack hit Poland, amid war with Ukraine. However, Moscow has denied launching any offensive against the Polish land."

I don't remember an Article 5 request at all.

I looked up who wind of change research group was and Charity Navigator came up with this...

Wind of Change Research Group cannot currently be evaluated by our Impact & Measurement methodology because either (A) it is eligible, but we have not yet received data; (B) we have not yet developed an algorithm to estimate its programmatic impact; (C) its programs are not direct services; or (D) it is not heavily reliant on contributions from individual donors.
https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/881735464
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MinotStateBeav said:

sycasey said:



"NATO Invokes Article 4, Is It About To Trigger War With Russia After ...
Sep 10, 2025 NATO allies discussed situation with respect to Russia under the provisions of its Article 4 after a Russian drone attack hit Poland, amid war with Ukraine. However, Moscow has denied launching any offensive against the Polish land."

I don't remember an Article 5 request at all.

I looked up who wind of change research group was and Charity Navigator came up with this...

Wind of Change Research Group cannot currently be evaluated by our Impact & Measurement methodology because either (A) it is eligible, but we have not yet received data; (B) we have not yet developed an algorithm to estimate its programmatic impact; (C) its programs are not direct services; or (D) it is not heavily reliant on contributions from individual donors.
https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/881735464

This guy was a former advisor to Putin. No idea if he's right about the motives, just something to share.
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movielover said:

Colonel Douglass MacGregor has been warning about this for at least two years, and how it interfaces w the working class and millions of new immigrants. Less jobs, more dependents. On top of this, much of Europe previously abandoned Green nuclear power, and VW has shut down some production in Germany (high and unreliable energy sources a major factor). Big budgetary problems across all EU countries.

The USA should offer a special manufacturing visa for skilled workers under 50, or 45, like machinists and such, where we have growing needs.

Diligence pays off: Now only 1 1/2 spelling mistakes in this guy's name!

Baby steps, but headed in the right direction...
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Cal88 said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Cal88 said:

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cbbass1 said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

movielover said:

Russia now arguably has the best military in the world

"Arguably" doing a lot of work there.


Right now it's a 3-way tie between the US, Russia and China in terms of military force overall. The US has the best air force by far, Russia the best land army and China the most military industrial might.

uhh forgetting the navy....the navy is what turns wars. While China is trying to contest the USA, their blue water navy is not close to the USN.


You might want to check your sourcing.

China's Navy is now the world's largest, with 787 ships, total.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_of_the_People%27s_Liberation_Army_Navy

A lot of those ships are converted trawlers and commercial vessels. Generally speaking its very hard to sink a US Navy ship (not impossible, just they tend to have thick hulls)


The kinetic energy of a Mach10+ missile hitting any ship is going to go through thick steel the same way a shaped charge goes through a thick steel tank hull.

In case of a hot conflict with China, USN fleets will steer well clear of the 1st Island Chain and not venture far beyond the 2nd Island Chain.

The Russians were able to quickly scale up their ammunition and shell plants early on in the Ukraine war because they had a large decommissioned production capacity from the Soviet era. I suspect the Chinese can also quickly scale up their military production to wartime levels, given their gigantic industrial capacity.

Completely missing the point to what you replied to, and I already said, China does not have that many mach 10 missiles lol, they aren't winning a war using them.



A country that produces 35 million cars per year will be able to churn out missiles by the thousands, especially one whose MIC is under state control. I wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese already have a lot of highly automated excess capacity already in place in their key weapons programs.


And yet "some people" don't think the US/NATO/Japan/S Korea could outmatch the Authoritarian Axis in manufacturing ammunition... if we were motivated to do so. Key word, of course, is "motivated".
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sycasey said:

hxxps://x.com/igorsushko/status/1968773909488046449


"Drone attack???" What "drone attack??" Why would anyone use the word "attack??"

The Russian drones that went over Poland & Romania were unarmed styrofoam reconnaissance drones. These are the drones that Russia flies over Ukraine all the time, but they're cheap enough that they just leave them there.

So the question is, did the Russians fire them? Or did the Ukrainians launch them, attempting to do a false flag, in a desperate attempt to bring the U.S. back into the proxy war?
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Big C said:

movielover said:

Colonel Douglass MacGregor has been warning about this for at least two years, and how it interfaces w the working class and millions of new immigrants. Less jobs, more dependents. On top of this, much of Europe previously abandoned Green nuclear power, and VW has shut down some production in Germany (high and unreliable energy sources a major factor). Big budgetary problems across all EU countries.

The USA should offer a special manufacturing visa for skilled workers under 50, or 45, like machinists and such, where we have growing needs.

Diligence pays off: Now only 1 1/2 spelling mistakes in this guy's name!

Baby steps, but headed in the right direction...
spelling aside, you missed commenting on the bit about the $100k feee for all of movies "skilled machinists".
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Big C said:

Cal88 said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Cal88 said:

MinotStateBeav said:

cbbass1 said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

movielover said:

Russia now arguably has the best military in the world

"Arguably" doing a lot of work there.


Right now it's a 3-way tie between the US, Russia and China in terms of military force overall. The US has the best air force by far, Russia the best land army and China the most military industrial might.

uhh forgetting the navy....the navy is what turns wars. While China is trying to contest the USA, their blue water navy is not close to the USN.


You might want to check your sourcing.

China's Navy is now the world's largest, with 787 ships, total.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_of_the_People%27s_Liberation_Army_Navy

A lot of those ships are converted trawlers and commercial vessels. Generally speaking its very hard to sink a US Navy ship (not impossible, just they tend to have thick hulls)


The kinetic energy of a Mach10+ missile hitting any ship is going to go through thick steel the same way a shaped charge goes through a thick steel tank hull.

In case of a hot conflict with China, USN fleets will steer well clear of the 1st Island Chain and not venture far beyond the 2nd Island Chain.

The Russians were able to quickly scale up their ammunition and shell plants early on in the Ukraine war because they had a large decommissioned production capacity from the Soviet era. I suspect the Chinese can also quickly scale up their military production to wartime levels, given their gigantic industrial capacity.

Completely missing the point to what you replied to, and I already said, China does not have that many mach 10 missiles lol, they aren't winning a war using them.



A country that produces 35 million cars per year will be able to churn out missiles by the thousands, especially one whose MIC is under state control. I wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese already have a lot of highly automated excess capacity already in place in their key weapons programs.


And yet "some people" don't think the US/NATO/Japan/S Korea could outmatch the Authoritarian Axis in manufacturing ammunition... if we were so motivated to do so. Key word, of course, is "motivated".


California can build high speed railways, if it were so motivated to do so...
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Diez puntos.
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Quote:

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And yet "some people" don't think the US/NATO/Japan/S Korea could outmatch the Authoritarian Axis in manufacturing ammunition... if we were so motivated to do so. Key word, of course, is "motivated".

California can build high speed railways, if it were so motivated to do so...

California can barely build freeways.

Now the U.S. could build high speed railways if it wanted to, but it would rather spend all of its money on war.
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Quote:

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And yet "some people" don't think the US/NATO/Japan/S Korea could outmatch the Authoritarian Axis in manufacturing ammunition... if we were so motivated to do so. Key word, of course, is "motivated".

California can build high speed railways, if it were so motivated to do so...

California can barely build freeways.

Now the U.S. could build high speed railways if it wanted to, but it would rather spend all of its money on war.


True, at the height of China's high-speed rail building in the early 2010s, their rail construction budget exceeded their entire military budget.

This being said, there are also some intrinsic problems with military spending in the US MIC, due to regulatory and political capture. Highly successful programs like the F-16, F-15 or F-18 were done at a small fraction of the F-35 program. That is why over 50 years after their first flights F-15s and F-16s are still being built today.
I don't this there will ever be high-speed rail in the US, the political and economic structure required is not there. It is the same reason
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We don't have the population density like China or the EU. California HSR had a chance, but when they chose the Highway 99 route, investors from France and Japan immediately pulled out. I5 has long undeveloped stretches, an empty median, and it's a direct connection. Getting over the Grapevine and into downtown LA is a hurdle. A RR employee once advised me that they should build three tracks to allow for a straight point-to-point trip, and another for local stops. SJ-SF would be slow.

I99 was the full employment act for lawyers. An acquaintance claimed the Newsom clan bought up some Central Valley land in the right of way. It doesn't have the density, and it won't be fast. Not much demand to go from Bakersfield to Modesto.

Pragmatism would probably call for adding a 3rd lane to I5. Add in stretches like the Autobahn for sports cars, and charge a special fee for use. Use the tens of Billions we save for reservoirs, extend Diablo Canyon lifespan, BART, LA Metro, crumbling bridges.
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"Add in stretches like the Autobahn for sports cars."

So the speed limit in that proposed lane would be 150 MPH vs the current 110 MPH for the super speeders?
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sycasey said:

ACC Bear said:

sycasey said:

ACC Bear said:

sycasey said:



https://medicine.yale.edu/lab/khoshnood/news-article/ukraines-stolen-children-inside-russias-network-of-re-education-and-militarization/

Appreciate the wartime propaganda!

I can't believe anyone would post WARTIME PROPAGANDA here!

The only person who posted more U.S./NATO war propaganda in this thread at least had the self-respect to leave the forum and never return after even he couldn't pretend the war was going the way he imagined any more. But you keep doing you.

I think you'll survive.




It looks like another overly dramatized non-event.

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Big C said:

Cal88 said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Cal88 said:

MinotStateBeav said:

cbbass1 said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

movielover said:

Russia now arguably has the best military in the world

"Arguably" doing a lot of work there.


Right now it's a 3-way tie between the US, Russia and China in terms of military force overall. The US has the best air force by far, Russia the best land army and China the most military industrial might.

uhh forgetting the navy....the navy is what turns wars. While China is trying to contest the USA, their blue water navy is not close to the USN.


You might want to check your sourcing.

China's Navy is now the world's largest, with 787 ships, total.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_of_the_People%27s_Liberation_Army_Navy

A lot of those ships are converted trawlers and commercial vessels. Generally speaking its very hard to sink a US Navy ship (not impossible, just they tend to have thick hulls)


The kinetic energy of a Mach10+ missile hitting any ship is going to go through thick steel the same way a shaped charge goes through a thick steel tank hull.

In case of a hot conflict with China, USN fleets will steer well clear of the 1st Island Chain and not venture far beyond the 2nd Island Chain.

The Russians were able to quickly scale up their ammunition and shell plants early on in the Ukraine war because they had a large decommissioned production capacity from the Soviet era. I suspect the Chinese can also quickly scale up their military production to wartime levels, given their gigantic industrial capacity.

Completely missing the point to what you replied to, and I already said, China does not have that many mach 10 missiles lol, they aren't winning a war using them.



A country that produces 35 million cars per year will be able to churn out missiles by the thousands, especially one whose MIC is under state control. I wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese already have a lot of highly automated excess capacity already in place in their key weapons programs.


And yet "some people" don't think the US/NATO/Japan/S Korea could outmatch the Authoritarian Axis in manufacturing ammunition... if we were motivated to do so. Key word, of course, is "motivated".



I saw this video recently that fits right in here, it describes a 1960s USAF study of the methodology and culture of the leading French military aircraft builder, Dassault, which was having great success on the world market producing the Mirage fighter jet, which was the best in the world, and superior to American designs like the F-104, and was produced at very low costs and with practically no overruns.



The video is in French, though English subtitles are available through the CC and settings buttons, but since you're fluent, you might enjoy the original version, the intro in particular is very funny in a French way.

The recommendations from that 50 page USAF report were very successfully implemented at Northrop, General Dynamics, McDonnell Douglas resulting in great programs and designs of the F-17/18, F-16 and F-15, but since then things have gone pear-shaped with the F-35, the most expensive military program of all time at nearly $2 trillion, 40x to 50x more expensive than the French Rafale or the Swedish Saab Gripen.

The Russian design labs (mainly at Sukhoi though the Mikoyan-Gurevich aka Mig are still active, commissioned for the replacement of the Mig-31 interceptor), and Saab in Sweden have also performed very well in producing top-flight jet fighters with low development costs and overruns, in line with Dassault.

More recently, the Chinese have already churned out at least 3 different sixth generation fighter jets, ahead of everybody else. The US NGAD/F-47 is still under development and already has cost overruns.


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The cost overruns may be by design.
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Yes, MIC regulatory and political capture.
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Important: the election for Moldova is scheduled for September 28th.

If the EU loses the support of the Moldovan parliament, it would harder to utilize the Romanian NATO military base for a EU war against Russia, ... a war they have been trying to provoke with increased aggressiveness.

Last election, mail-in ballots were key. Moldovans don't want war w Russia.
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Odd tweet by President Trump, it appears he has capitulated to the EU warmongers. Russia could go all the way to Kiev. Maybe he's just throwing spaghetti.

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sycasey said:



I knew you'd eventually become MAGA
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Cal88 said:

Big C said:

Cal88 said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Cal88 said:

MinotStateBeav said:

cbbass1 said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

movielover said:

Russia now arguably has the best military in the world

"Arguably" doing a lot of work there.


Right now it's a 3-way tie between the US, Russia and China in terms of military force overall. The US has the best air force by far, Russia the best land army and China the most military industrial might.

uhh forgetting the navy....the navy is what turns wars. While China is trying to contest the USA, their blue water navy is not close to the USN.


You might want to check your sourcing.

China's Navy is now the world's largest, with 787 ships, total.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_of_the_People%27s_Liberation_Army_Navy

A lot of those ships are converted trawlers and commercial vessels. Generally speaking its very hard to sink a US Navy ship (not impossible, just they tend to have thick hulls)


The kinetic energy of a Mach10+ missile hitting any ship is going to go through thick steel the same way a shaped charge goes through a thick steel tank hull.

In case of a hot conflict with China, USN fleets will steer well clear of the 1st Island Chain and not venture far beyond the 2nd Island Chain.

The Russians were able to quickly scale up their ammunition and shell plants early on in the Ukraine war because they had a large decommissioned production capacity from the Soviet era. I suspect the Chinese can also quickly scale up their military production to wartime levels, given their gigantic industrial capacity.

Completely missing the point to what you replied to, and I already said, China does not have that many mach 10 missiles lol, they aren't winning a war using them.



A country that produces 35 million cars per year will be able to churn out missiles by the thousands, especially one whose MIC is under state control. I wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese already have a lot of highly automated excess capacity already in place in their key weapons programs.


And yet "some people" don't think the US/NATO/Japan/S Korea could outmatch the Authoritarian Axis in manufacturing ammunition... if we were motivated to do so. Key word, of course, is "motivated".



I saw this video recently that fits right in here, it describes a 1960s USAF study of the methodology and culture of the leading French military aircraft builder, Dassault, which was having great success on the world market producing the Mirage fighter jet, which was the best in the world, and superior to American designs like the F-104, and was produced at very low costs and with practically no overruns.



The video is in French, though English subtitles are available through the CC and settings buttons, but since you're fluent, you might enjoy the original version, the intro in particular is very funny in a French way.

The recommendations from that 50 page USAF report were very successfully implemented at Northrop, General Dynamics, McDonnell Douglas resulting in great programs and designs of the F-17/18, F-16 and F-15, but since then things have gone pear-shaped with the F-35, the most expensive military program of all time at nearly $2 trillion, 40x to 50x more expensive than the French Rafale or the Swedish Saab Gripen.

The Russian design labs (mainly at Sukhoi though the Mikoyan-Gurevich aka Mig are still active, commissioned for the replacement of the Mig-31 interceptor), and Saab in Sweden have also performed very well in producing top-flight jet fighters with low development costs and overruns, in line with Dassault.

More recently, the Chinese have already churned out at least 3 different sixth generation fighter jets, ahead of everybody else. The US NGAD/F-47 is still under development and already has cost overruns.





Thanks for the video, '88! Haven't watched it yet, but I will. And I'm interested to see how much rust might be covering my French fluency. Took a quick peek: I got those first four words! ("un... deux... trois... quatre")
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Au plaisir.
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ACC Bear said:

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I knew you'd eventually become MAGA

Deport all the trannies, let's gooooo!
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