The Official Russian Invasion of Ukraine Thread

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In reply to DiabloWags • 10:06a, 2/14/26
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And now we're stuck with an Attorney General that defers, deflects, and denies ... and only wants to talk about DOW 50,000 in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Bondi, Bovino, Lutnick, Gabbard, Leavitt, Patel, and Miller. ALL documented liars in Year 1.

This is how you MAGA!

Can't wait for midterms.


When are you registering as a democrat?
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In reply to Aunburdened • 11:04a, 2/14/26
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sycasey said:
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Congratulations on his one kind of correct prediction among many that were wrong.

He's had many more correct predictions than just that one, but you showed your ass on this topic long ago.

Showed my ass as being correct? I agree.






Oh, I am very skeptical of American involvement in overseas wars. Just not this one. I don't think the evidence stacks up against us this time.
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In reply to sycasey • 12:00p, 2/14/26
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 12:35p, 2/14/26
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DiabloWags said:
Can't wait for midterms.

When are you registering as a democrat?

He put all his eggs in the Chris Christie basket during the primaries, but things didn't work out.
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In reply to Aunburdened • 3:07p, 2/14/26
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Gross!
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In reply to Aunburdened • 1:07a, 2/15/26
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The word "backed" is doing a lot of work there. Clearly the US wanted a more friendly government there and said so. Guys like Aaron Mate want you to then decide that means the US actually created the regime change itself, which is not supported by the comments here or by any clear evidence but is a different meaning of "backed" in some contexts. It's slippery weasel language.
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In reply to sycasey • 12:09p, 2/15/26
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:

The word "backed" is doing a lot of work there. Clearly the US wanted a more friendly government there and said so. Guys like Aaron Mate want you to then decide that means the US actually created the regime change itself, which is not supported by the comments here or by any clear evidence but is a different meaning of "backed" in some contexts. It's slippery weasel language.

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In reply to Aunburdened • 12:29p, 2/15/26
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sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:

The word "backed" is doing a lot of work there. Clearly the US wanted a more friendly government there and said so. Guys like Aaron Mate want you to then decide that means the US actually created the regime change itself, which is not supported by the comments here or by any clear evidence but is a different meaning of "backed" in some contexts. It's slippery weasel language.


Again, it is no big secret that the US gave military aid to Ukraine after the Crimea invasion by Russia. Critically, however, this all happened after the Euromaidan revolution so is not evidence that the US created any of that.
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In reply to sycasey • 5:25a, 2/16/26
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:

The word "backed" is doing a lot of work there. Clearly the US wanted a more friendly government there and said so. Guys like Aaron Mate want you to then decide that means the US actually created the regime change itself, which is not supported by the comments here or by any clear evidence but is a different meaning of "backed" in some contexts. It's slippery weasel language.


Again, it is no big secret that the US gave military aid to Ukraine after the Crimea invasion by Russia. Critically, however, this all happened after the Euromaidan revolution so is not evidence that the US created any of that.







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In reply to Cal88 • 11:07a, 2/16/26
Cal88 said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:

The word "backed" is doing a lot of work there. Clearly the US wanted a more friendly government there and said so. Guys like Aaron Mate want you to then decide that means the US actually created the regime change itself, which is not supported by the comments here or by any clear evidence but is a different meaning of "backed" in some contexts. It's slippery weasel language.


Again, it is no big secret that the US gave military aid to Ukraine after the Crimea invasion by Russia. Critically, however, this all happened after the Euromaidan revolution so is not evidence that the US created any of that.






First two videos say nothing about military aid or supporting revolution. In fact, in the first video Senator Murphy specifically says they do NOT want to do that. Smith's description doesn't match the actual statements.

The last video of McCain is him speaking AFTER the Maidan revolution had already started. Again, doesn't prove anything other than that the US supported Ukraine moving more towards an alliance with us and away from Russia. Doesn't prove that we forced it.

So out of those four the only "evidence" you've got is Sachs' hearsay. Believe that if you want, but it's not proof.

And as I always say, even if all of these assertions were true, so what? It doesn't mean Russia had to start a war. That's still on Putin.
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In reply to sycasey • 11:13a, 2/16/26
good breakdown and post
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In reply to sycasey • 11:18a, 2/16/26
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The last video of McCain is him speaking AFTER the Maidan revolution had already started. Again, doesn't prove anything other than that the US supported Ukraine moving more towards an alliance with us and away from Russia. Doesn't prove that we forced it.

So out of those four the only "evidence" you've got is Sachs' hearsay. Believe that if you want, but it's not proof.

And as I always say, even if all of these assertions were true, so what? It doesn't mean Russia had to start a war. That's still on Putin.


Thank you for spelling this out.
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In reply to DiabloWags • 11:27a, 2/16/26
> The last video of McCain is him speaking..

blast from past, a good and honest man, head and shoulders waay better than the most recent clown.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain

> While on a bombing mission during Operation Rolling Thunder over Hanoi in October 1967, McCain was shot down, seriously injured, and captured by the North Vietnamese. He was a prisoner of war until 1973

# time flies
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In reply to sycasey • 11:48a, 2/16/26
sycasey said:
Cal88 said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:

The word "backed" is doing a lot of work there. Clearly the US wanted a more friendly government there and said so. Guys like Aaron Mate want you to then decide that means the US actually created the regime change itself, which is not supported by the comments here or by any clear evidence but is a different meaning of "backed" in some contexts. It's slippery weasel language.


Again, it is no big secret that the US gave military aid to Ukraine after the Crimea invasion by Russia. Critically, however, this all happened after the Euromaidan revolution so is not evidence that the US created any of that.






First two videos say nothing about military aid or supporting revolution. In fact, in the first video Senator Murphy specifically says they do NOT want to do that. Smith's description doesn't match the actual statements.


Are you saying there was no NATO military aid and billions spent on NGOs to precipitate regime change to Ukraine before 2014??


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The last video of McCain is him speaking AFTER the Maidan revolution had already started. Again, doesn't prove anything other than that the US supported Ukraine moving more towards an alliance with us and away from Russia.

The video was from 2013, a year before the Maidan color revolution. There were many other such speeches from McCain and co in the years before 2014.


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Doesn't prove that we forced it.

We enabled it by funneling billions into Ukrainian opposition including military aid to far right anti-Russian nationalist militias and political parties, and pushed Ukraine to a belligerent position towards Russia, ultimately violating the Minsk Accords.


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And as I always say, even if all of these assertions were true, so what? It doesn't mean Russia had to start a war. That's still on Putin.

We armed the most radical nationalist elements in Ukraine, whose goal was to crush the Russian minority and reconquer Crimea. It was never going to fly with Russia.

Even sober-minded US intel analysts stated unequivocally that what we ended up doing in Ukraine would force Russia to intervene militarily, reluctantly so:


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In reply to Cal88 • 11:54a, 2/16/26
Cal88 said:
sycasey said:
Cal88 said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:

The word "backed" is doing a lot of work there. Clearly the US wanted a more friendly government there and said so. Guys like Aaron Mate want you to then decide that means the US actually created the regime change itself, which is not supported by the comments here or by any clear evidence but is a different meaning of "backed" in some contexts. It's slippery weasel language.


Again, it is no big secret that the US gave military aid to Ukraine after the Crimea invasion by Russia. Critically, however, this all happened after the Euromaidan revolution so is not evidence that the US created any of that.






First two videos say nothing about military aid or supporting revolution. In fact, in the first video Senator Murphy specifically says they do NOT want to do that. Smith's description doesn't match the actual statements.


Are you saying there was no NATO military aid and billions spent on NGOs to precipitate regime change to Ukraine before 2014??


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The last video of McCain is him speaking AFTER the Maidan revolution had already started. Again, doesn't prove anything other than that the US supported Ukraine moving more towards an alliance with us and away from Russia.

The video was from 2013, a year before the Maidan color revolution. There were many other such speeches from McCain and co in the years before 2014.


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Doesn't prove that we forced it.

We enabled it by funneling billions into Ukrainian opposition including military aid to far right anti-Russian nationalist militias and political parties, and pushed Ukraine to a belligerent position towards Russia, ultimately violating the Minsk Accords.


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And as I always say, even if all of these assertions were true, so what? It doesn't mean Russia had to start a war. That's still on Putin.

We armed the most radical nationalist elements in Ukraine, whose goal was to crush the Russian minority and reconquer Crimea. It was never going to fly with Russia.

Even sober-minded US intel analysts stated unequivocally that what we ended up doing in Ukraine would force Russia to intervene militarily, reluctantly so:



1. The US gives military aid to a lot of places so I wouldn't say zero went to Ukraine, but it was not a particular focus until after Russia's invasions, no.

2. The actual revolution (removal of the President) happened in 2014, but protests were already happening in 2013. McCain is clearly speaking at such a protest.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/15/john-mccain-ukraine-protests-support-just-cause

3. That last article talks about Ukraine joining NATO. To date, Ukraine still has not joined NATO. Again, so what? Someone merely talking about that is not a justification for war.
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In reply to smh • 11:56a, 2/16/26
smh said:
> The last video of McCain is him speaking..

blast from past, a good and honest man, head and shoulders waay better than the most recent clown.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain

> While on a bombing mission during Operation Rolling Thunder over Hanoi in October 1967, McCain was shot down, seriously injured, and captured by the North Vietnamese. He was a prisoner of war until 1973

# time flies






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In reply to smh • 11:59a, 2/16/26
smh said:
> The last video of McCain is him speaking..

blast from past, a good and honest man, head and shoulders waay better than the most recent clown.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain

> While on a bombing mission during Operation Rolling Thunder over Hanoi in October 1967, McCain was shot down, seriously injured, and captured by the North Vietnamese. He was a prisoner of war until 1973

# time flies


In that last video of McCain which you've praised, he was flanked with the leader of nazi far right party Svoboda.





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In reply to Cal88 • 12:33p, 2/16/26
Cal88 said:
smh said:
> The last video of McCain is him speaking..
# time flies

.. he was flanked with the leader of nazi far right party Svoboda.

you're (far) right, shows to go no one is perfect. RIP
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In reply to Cal88 • 2:49a, 2/19/26
Follow the money.
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3:39a, 2/19/26
Until there is a change in the cost of war to Putin, he will continue to give the world the middle finger and continue to bomb Ukraine on the eve before peace talks occur. If you want him to stop, arm Ukraine with everything they need to inflict maximum damage on Russia.
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In reply to BearNIt • 4:35a, 2/19/26
Ukraine is getting wrecked in the process. Well over 1 million dead, vs 150k for Russia. The MSM is not covering this.

Russia offered an "Istanbul Plus" settlement that NATO/Ukraine refused, so they will just continue to wage a war of attrition until the Ukrainian military collapses, which might happen sometime in the next year or two.
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In reply to BearNIt • 5:28a, 2/19/26
Who will actually fight?
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10:28a, 2/19/26
Those who are left will fight. Without real security guarantees they will back in the same place as they are right now. Putin wants to exterminate Ukraine. They should have never given up their nuclear weapons.
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10:45a, 2/19/26
In a few months Putin's war will have lasted as long as WWI. Of course, WWI was a war of attrition pitting Europe's great powers. This war is just Russia attacking a satellite state. Just like the German's tried the quick strike Schlieffen Plan to conquer Paris in 1914, Russia tried the quick strike Putin plan to conquer Kiev in 2022. Both failed and a brutal war of attrition followed. A complete humiliation for Putin and Russia.
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In reply to BearNIt • 10:59a, 2/19/26
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Those who are left will fight.

"To the last Ukrainian" then??

Their numbers are dwindling by the million. There are hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian deserters, well over half a million at this point. The majority of Ukrainians being drafted don't want to fight and die.


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Without real security guarantees they will back in the same place as they are right now. Putin wants to exterminate Ukraine. They should have never given up their nuclear weapons.

Putin doesn't want to exterminate Ukraine, he wants a neutral Ukraine whose government and ruling culture isn't openly hostile to Russia and the large Ukrainian Russian minority.

The Minsk Agreements offered the Donbas province some cultural autonomy within a federal system, it was violated by the post-Maidan coup Kyiv regime, which rolled its tanks into the Donbas and bombed their cities.

Then came the war, Russia invaded then offered the Istanbul treaty which they offered to withdraw from territories occupied in exchange for Ukrainian neutrality (no NATO). Foreign pressure from the UK, US and the radical nationalists in Kyiv scrapped that dead, so it's on for a war of attrition that is only going to end when the Ukrainian military will be exhausted, an outcome that will happen regardless of the level of NATO support, as Russia has escalatory military dominance.

The war can stop anytime with an Istanbul plus type of agreement, but there are too many vested interests to keep it going (supercars with Ukrainian plates are all over Monaco today) at the expense of the hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers who will die until the final outcome, when Russia will dictate maximal terms and likely annex all ethnic Russians areas in Ukraine, roughly the eastern and southern third.


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In reply to Cal88 • 12:03p, 2/19/26
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Putin doesn't want to exterminate Ukraine, he wants a neutral Ukraine whose government and ruling culture isn't openly hostile to Russia and the large Ukrainian Russian minority.

Translation: he wants a Ukraine that is under his control. Ukrainians, by and large, do not want that. That's why there is a war.

If Ukrainians did want what Putin wanted, then there would be no war and all the Western "help" for Ukraine wouldn't mean anything. They don't.
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In reply to sycasey • 12:39p, 2/19/26
sycasey said:
Cal88 said:
Putin doesn't want to exterminate Ukraine, he wants a neutral Ukraine whose government and ruling culture isn't openly hostile to Russia and the large Ukrainian Russian minority.

Translation: he wants a Ukraine that is under his control. Ukrainians, by and large, do not want that. That's why there is a war.

If Ukrainians did want what Putin wanted, then there would be no war and all the Western "help" for Ukraine wouldn't mean anything. They don't.


Russia would be happy with a neutral Ukraine, same way the Soviets were happy with a neutral Finland for many decades.

The majority of Ukrainians want a settlement with Russia and their Donbas provinces, and thousands of their men are being sent to the frontlines against their will.

Ukraine had 50 million people in 1990, today, less than 20 million inside their current borders.
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In reply to Cal88 • 1:20p, 2/19/26
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BearNIt said:
Those who are left will fight.

"To the last Ukrainian" then??

Their numbers are dwindling by the million. There are hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian deserters, well over half a million at this point. The majority of Ukrainians being drafted don't want to fight and die.


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Without real security guarantees they will back in the same place as they are right now. Putin wants to exterminate Ukraine. They should have never given up their nuclear weapons.

Putin doesn't want to exterminate Ukraine, he wants a neutral Ukraine whose government and ruling culture isn't openly hostile to Russia and the large Ukrainian Russian minority.

The Minsk Agreements offered the Donbas province some cultural autonomy within a federal system, it was violated by the post-Maidan coup Kyiv regime, which rolled its tanks into the Donbas and bombed their cities.

Then came the war, Russia invaded then offered the Istanbul treaty which they offered to withdraw from territories occupied in exchange for Ukrainian neutrality (no NATO). Foreign pressure from the UK, US and the radical nationalists in Kyiv scrapped that dead, so it's on for a war of attrition that is only going to end when the Ukrainian military will be exhausted, an outcome that will happen regardless of the level of NATO support, as Russia has escalatory military dominance.

The war can stop anytime with an Istanbul plus type of agreement, but there are too many vested interests to keep it going (supercars with Ukrainian plates are all over Monaco today) at the expense of the hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers who will die until the final outcome, when Russia will dictate maximal terms and likely annex all ethnic Russians areas in Ukraine, roughly the eastern and southern third.



History has shown to live under a dictator can be worse than death. If someone kicked open my front door and said my house was now theirs I would fight to my last breath to change that dynamic up to and including violence. For a lot of people living under the rule of a person who seeks to exterminate your culture and your people is not something they are willing to live with. Better to die with your boots on than crawling on your belly with a boot on your neck.
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In reply to BearNIt • 1:25p, 2/19/26
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< History has shown to live under a dictator can be worse than death. If someone kicked open my front door and said my house was now theirs I would fight to my last breath to change that dynamic up to and including violence. For a lot of people living under the rule of a person who seeks to exterminate your culture and your people is not something they are willing to live with. Better to die with your boots on than crawling on your belly with a boot on your neck.

better yet, live in a free country (to the extent possible) # ice sucks, big time
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1:27p, 2/19/26
BI Ukraine war truthers lucky I don't know their home addresses. I would absolutely do this.

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