The Official Russian Invasion of Ukraine Thread

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In reply to DiabloWags • 10:06a, 2/14/26
DiabloWags said:
And now we're stuck with an Attorney General that defers, deflects, and denies ... and only wants to talk about DOW 50,000 in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Bondi, Bovino, Lutnick, Gabbard, Leavitt, Patel, and Miller. ALL documented liars in Year 1.

This is how you MAGA!

Can't wait for midterms.


When are you registering as a democrat?
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In reply to Aunburdened • 11:04a, 2/14/26
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sycasey said:
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sycasey said:
Congratulations on his one kind of correct prediction among many that were wrong.

He's had many more correct predictions than just that one, but you showed your ass on this topic long ago.

Showed my ass as being correct? I agree.






Oh, I am very skeptical of American involvement in overseas wars. Just not this one. I don't think the evidence stacks up against us this time.
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In reply to sycasey • 12:00p, 2/14/26
Cancel my subscription to the Resurrection
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 12:35p, 2/14/26
BearlySane88 said:
DiabloWags said:
Can't wait for midterms.

When are you registering as a democrat?

He put all his eggs in the Chris Christie basket during the primaries, but things didn't work out.
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In reply to Aunburdened • 3:07p, 2/14/26
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Gross!
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In reply to Aunburdened • 1:07a, 2/15/26
Aunburdened said:

The word "backed" is doing a lot of work there. Clearly the US wanted a more friendly government there and said so. Guys like Aaron Mate want you to then decide that means the US actually created the regime change itself, which is not supported by the comments here or by any clear evidence but is a different meaning of "backed" in some contexts. It's slippery weasel language.
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In reply to sycasey • 12:09p, 2/15/26
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:

The word "backed" is doing a lot of work there. Clearly the US wanted a more friendly government there and said so. Guys like Aaron Mate want you to then decide that means the US actually created the regime change itself, which is not supported by the comments here or by any clear evidence but is a different meaning of "backed" in some contexts. It's slippery weasel language.

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In reply to Aunburdened • 12:29p, 2/15/26
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sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:

The word "backed" is doing a lot of work there. Clearly the US wanted a more friendly government there and said so. Guys like Aaron Mate want you to then decide that means the US actually created the regime change itself, which is not supported by the comments here or by any clear evidence but is a different meaning of "backed" in some contexts. It's slippery weasel language.


Again, it is no big secret that the US gave military aid to Ukraine after the Crimea invasion by Russia. Critically, however, this all happened after the Euromaidan revolution so is not evidence that the US created any of that.
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In reply to sycasey • 5:25a, 2/16/26
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:

The word "backed" is doing a lot of work there. Clearly the US wanted a more friendly government there and said so. Guys like Aaron Mate want you to then decide that means the US actually created the regime change itself, which is not supported by the comments here or by any clear evidence but is a different meaning of "backed" in some contexts. It's slippery weasel language.


Again, it is no big secret that the US gave military aid to Ukraine after the Crimea invasion by Russia. Critically, however, this all happened after the Euromaidan revolution so is not evidence that the US created any of that.







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In reply to Cal88 • 11:07a, 2/16/26
Cal88 said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:

The word "backed" is doing a lot of work there. Clearly the US wanted a more friendly government there and said so. Guys like Aaron Mate want you to then decide that means the US actually created the regime change itself, which is not supported by the comments here or by any clear evidence but is a different meaning of "backed" in some contexts. It's slippery weasel language.


Again, it is no big secret that the US gave military aid to Ukraine after the Crimea invasion by Russia. Critically, however, this all happened after the Euromaidan revolution so is not evidence that the US created any of that.






First two videos say nothing about military aid or supporting revolution. In fact, in the first video Senator Murphy specifically says they do NOT want to do that. Smith's description doesn't match the actual statements.

The last video of McCain is him speaking AFTER the Maidan revolution had already started. Again, doesn't prove anything other than that the US supported Ukraine moving more towards an alliance with us and away from Russia. Doesn't prove that we forced it.

So out of those four the only "evidence" you've got is Sachs' hearsay. Believe that if you want, but it's not proof.

And as I always say, even if all of these assertions were true, so what? It doesn't mean Russia had to start a war. That's still on Putin.
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In reply to sycasey • 11:13a, 2/16/26
good breakdown and post
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In reply to sycasey • 11:18a, 2/16/26
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The last video of McCain is him speaking AFTER the Maidan revolution had already started. Again, doesn't prove anything other than that the US supported Ukraine moving more towards an alliance with us and away from Russia. Doesn't prove that we forced it.

So out of those four the only "evidence" you've got is Sachs' hearsay. Believe that if you want, but it's not proof.

And as I always say, even if all of these assertions were true, so what? It doesn't mean Russia had to start a war. That's still on Putin.


Thank you for spelling this out.
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In reply to DiabloWags • 11:27a, 2/16/26
> The last video of McCain is him speaking..

blast from past, a good and honest man, head and shoulders waay better than the most recent clown.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain

> While on a bombing mission during Operation Rolling Thunder over Hanoi in October 1967, McCain was shot down, seriously injured, and captured by the North Vietnamese. He was a prisoner of war until 1973

# time flies
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In reply to sycasey • 11:48a, 2/16/26
sycasey said:
Cal88 said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:

The word "backed" is doing a lot of work there. Clearly the US wanted a more friendly government there and said so. Guys like Aaron Mate want you to then decide that means the US actually created the regime change itself, which is not supported by the comments here or by any clear evidence but is a different meaning of "backed" in some contexts. It's slippery weasel language.


Again, it is no big secret that the US gave military aid to Ukraine after the Crimea invasion by Russia. Critically, however, this all happened after the Euromaidan revolution so is not evidence that the US created any of that.






First two videos say nothing about military aid or supporting revolution. In fact, in the first video Senator Murphy specifically says they do NOT want to do that. Smith's description doesn't match the actual statements.


Are you saying there was no NATO military aid and billions spent on NGOs to precipitate regime change to Ukraine before 2014??


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The last video of McCain is him speaking AFTER the Maidan revolution had already started. Again, doesn't prove anything other than that the US supported Ukraine moving more towards an alliance with us and away from Russia.

The video was from 2013, a year before the Maidan color revolution. There were many other such speeches from McCain and co in the years before 2014.


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Doesn't prove that we forced it.

We enabled it by funneling billions into Ukrainian opposition including military aid to far right anti-Russian nationalist militias and political parties, and pushed Ukraine to a belligerent position towards Russia, ultimately violating the Minsk Accords.


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And as I always say, even if all of these assertions were true, so what? It doesn't mean Russia had to start a war. That's still on Putin.

We armed the most radical nationalist elements in Ukraine, whose goal was to crush the Russian minority and reconquer Crimea. It was never going to fly with Russia.

Even sober-minded US intel analysts stated unequivocally that what we ended up doing in Ukraine would force Russia to intervene militarily, reluctantly so:


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In reply to Cal88 • 11:54a, 2/16/26
Cal88 said:
sycasey said:
Cal88 said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:

The word "backed" is doing a lot of work there. Clearly the US wanted a more friendly government there and said so. Guys like Aaron Mate want you to then decide that means the US actually created the regime change itself, which is not supported by the comments here or by any clear evidence but is a different meaning of "backed" in some contexts. It's slippery weasel language.


Again, it is no big secret that the US gave military aid to Ukraine after the Crimea invasion by Russia. Critically, however, this all happened after the Euromaidan revolution so is not evidence that the US created any of that.






First two videos say nothing about military aid or supporting revolution. In fact, in the first video Senator Murphy specifically says they do NOT want to do that. Smith's description doesn't match the actual statements.


Are you saying there was no NATO military aid and billions spent on NGOs to precipitate regime change to Ukraine before 2014??


Quote:
The last video of McCain is him speaking AFTER the Maidan revolution had already started. Again, doesn't prove anything other than that the US supported Ukraine moving more towards an alliance with us and away from Russia.

The video was from 2013, a year before the Maidan color revolution. There were many other such speeches from McCain and co in the years before 2014.


Quote:
Doesn't prove that we forced it.

We enabled it by funneling billions into Ukrainian opposition including military aid to far right anti-Russian nationalist militias and political parties, and pushed Ukraine to a belligerent position towards Russia, ultimately violating the Minsk Accords.


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And as I always say, even if all of these assertions were true, so what? It doesn't mean Russia had to start a war. That's still on Putin.

We armed the most radical nationalist elements in Ukraine, whose goal was to crush the Russian minority and reconquer Crimea. It was never going to fly with Russia.

Even sober-minded US intel analysts stated unequivocally that what we ended up doing in Ukraine would force Russia to intervene militarily, reluctantly so:



1. The US gives military aid to a lot of places so I wouldn't say zero went to Ukraine, but it was not a particular focus until after Russia's invasions, no.

2. The actual revolution (removal of the President) happened in 2014, but protests were already happening in 2013. McCain is clearly speaking at such a protest.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/15/john-mccain-ukraine-protests-support-just-cause

3. That last article talks about Ukraine joining NATO. To date, Ukraine still has not joined NATO. Again, so what? Someone merely talking about that is not a justification for war.
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In reply to smh • 11:56a, 2/16/26
smh said:
> The last video of McCain is him speaking..

blast from past, a good and honest man, head and shoulders waay better than the most recent clown.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain

> While on a bombing mission during Operation Rolling Thunder over Hanoi in October 1967, McCain was shot down, seriously injured, and captured by the North Vietnamese. He was a prisoner of war until 1973

# time flies






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In reply to smh • 11:59a, 2/16/26
smh said:
> The last video of McCain is him speaking..

blast from past, a good and honest man, head and shoulders waay better than the most recent clown.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain

> While on a bombing mission during Operation Rolling Thunder over Hanoi in October 1967, McCain was shot down, seriously injured, and captured by the North Vietnamese. He was a prisoner of war until 1973

# time flies


In that last video of McCain which you've praised, he was flanked with the leader of nazi far right party Svoboda.





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In reply to Cal88 • 12:33p, 2/16/26
Cal88 said:
smh said:
> The last video of McCain is him speaking..
# time flies

.. he was flanked with the leader of nazi far right party Svoboda.

you're (far) right, shows to go no one is perfect. RIP
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