The Official Russian Invasion of Ukraine Thread

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In reply to sycasey • 7:40p, 4/21/26
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
Cal88 said:

This is the same argument Israel makes about Hamas/Gaza.

Yes it is and it's as weak here as there.

Best way to cut unnecessary civilian death? Solve your problems with diplomacy instead of letting the EU and US talk into a war you can't win where the odds of survival are so low that able-bodied men would rather flee the country than fight for a war that's only purpose is to enrich Ukrainian oligarchs.

Ukraine didn't start the war.

I love how you didn't even bother to attempt to refute any of the above because you know it's all true.
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In reply to Aunburdened • 8:02p, 4/21/26
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
Cal88 said:

This is the same argument Israel makes about Hamas/Gaza.

Yes it is and it's as weak here as there.

Best way to cut unnecessary civilian death? Solve your problems with diplomacy instead of letting the EU and US talk into a war you can't win where the odds of survival are so low that able-bodied men would rather flee the country than fight for a war that's only purpose is to enrich Ukrainian oligarchs.

Ukraine didn't start the war.

I love how you didn't even bother to attempt to refute any of the above because you know it's all true.

You said Ukraine got "talked into a war." No, they were attacked. The war got started on them.
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In reply to sycasey • 2:28a, 4/22/26
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
Cal88 said:

This is the same argument Israel makes about Hamas/Gaza.

Yes it is and it's as weak here as there.

Best way to cut unnecessary civilian death? Solve your problems with diplomacy instead of letting the EU and US talk into a war you can't win where the odds of survival are so low that able-bodied men would rather flee the country than fight for a war that's only purpose is to enrich Ukrainian oligarchs.

Ukraine didn't start the war.


NATO, Biden, Jake Sullivan and Victoria Nuland provoked the war.

According to a special ops guy (on Shawn Ryan program) who has seen many of the cables and evidence, Biden - his only job as VP was Ukraine - Sullivan, Nuland, the State Department, the CIA and some Ivy League academics made bad decision after bad decision. They were aided by the EU, George Soros Open Society Foundation, and the neo Nazi ultra nationalists - all given cover by the press in what he calls "the greatest propoganda war ever". He claims all the protestors at a key event, when interviewed, said "I'm here because I got paid". (Feb 2014)

A famous phone call was intercepted and is available where Nuland is discussing who to insert when president Yanakovitch (sp?) is overthrown. Nuland also reportedly admitted to using $5 Billion from USAID to bribe people.

Their theory was that if we started an ethnic war in Eastern Ukraine, it would spark Russian citizens to remove Putin. And the whole thing backfired.

This special ops guy also claims we spent $5 Billion bribing people to go along with the plan, but when Zelensky took over at some point Nazis were in a position to take over five key government departments.

Russia didn't lose, and now we have the 'unintended consequences'.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/961198879613933/?mibextid=9drbnH
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7:09a, 4/22/26
Huge military cemetery in a city with a population smaller than that of Oakland. Most of the flags on top of the graves look new, they would quickly show signs of wear in the Ukrainian winters.



The main lie about the Ukraine war is the sheer scale of the carnage on the Ukraine side, over 1.5M dead soldiers.
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In reply to movielover • 8:52a, 4/22/26
movielover said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
Cal88 said:

This is the same argument Israel makes about Hamas/Gaza.

Yes it is and it's as weak here as there.

Best way to cut unnecessary civilian death? Solve your problems with diplomacy instead of letting the EU and US talk into a war you can't win where the odds of survival are so low that able-bodied men would rather flee the country than fight for a war that's only purpose is to enrich Ukrainian oligarchs.

Ukraine didn't start the war.


NATO, Biden, Jake Sullivan and Victoria Nuland provoked the war.

Oh no! Provoked!

Russia started the war.
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In reply to Cal88 • 9:03a, 4/22/26
Victor Davis Hanson recently said something about 1.5 million dead Russians. Not sure his sources, I know he was out of the loop and is ill, possibly fighting cancer.

I saw another snippet which claimed Ukraine (NATO?) was going to employ 20,000 robot soldiers. Propoganda?

Another piece claimed Russia was starting to have supply chain issues, unsure of the veracity.
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12:07p, 4/23/26
The Dutch military intelligence service released an April 2026 assessment and claims Russia has racked up over 1.2 million permanent casualties in Ukraine, including more than 500,000 dead. They also claim Ukraine's toll sits at around 500,000 permanent casualties.

It appears they vastly understate the Ukranian KIA number.
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In reply to movielover • 12:10p, 4/23/26
Also vastly overestimate Russian KIAs...

If the Russians had that scale of losses, you would see a lot of resistance and forced conscriptions like you have everyday in Ukraine.
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5:35p, 4/23/26
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6:36p, 4/25/26


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I'm going to try dumb this down.

European leaders spent years paying media to do a 180 on what they said about Ukraine. This is fact. All those old headlines and reports about it being a fascist state are still there.

But it made people think it is the last bastion of morality against evil. And if you don't like it you're a Nazi. So those with issues largely shut up.

As we gave and give it hundreds of billions, most of which is returned to big business leaders and friends of politicians and politicians themselves. Because they buy fewer weapons and buy older weapons than on the balance sheet as how can you check?

But, they tell you, it had to be done because of invasion. That isn't tolerated. Western values. Morality.

As we also fund Israel invading a half dozen countries, ethnically cleansing, and allow our bases for the US to do the same. Because... that's different.

Can you not see that Ukraine was and is just a massive laundromat. You might have morals but our leaders have proven, as a matter of record, poor people dying and invasion isn't an issue. They fund it. And then complain about it to steal your cash.

The US is insider trading transfer.

The EU is war money laundering.

It's so obvious and so few see it but go out and protest nonsense.

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6:40p, 4/25/26
I think the US helping Ukraine against Russia was the right thing to do. But in terms of the our government being "moral" it was mostly by happenstance. This time it just happened to align with our interests.

With Israel our "interests" have not really been on the moral side, so I do not support our military aid to them. Though honestly, for a while I've wondered what we were really getting out of them as an ally. Even more so after they helped push us into war with Iran.
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In reply to sycasey • 10:32a, 4/26/26
sycasey said:
I think the US helping Ukraine against Russia was the right thing to do. But in terms of the our government being "moral" it was mostly by happenstance. This time it just happened to align with our interests.


The cynical approach to boost our "interests" was to use Ukraine as a battering ram to weaken Russia, which we did, wrecking Ukraine and costing them 1.5M KIAs. This is clearly outlined in policy whitepapers like this influential piece from the RAND think tank, arming Ukraine being part of their toolkit to weaken Russia :

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html

The moral thing to do was to agree with Ukraine about accepting the Istanbul peace plan in April 2022, one a few weeks into the war. That would have left Ukraine intact as the largest country in Europe after Russia, a much more beneficial agreement for Ukraine than what they will have to settle for within the next year or two after they no longer can sustain the war of attrition.

This being said, we are in agreement wrt Israel. I think our differences wrt Ukraine are due to a fundamental understanding in the history and cultural nuances there, along with a cold war mindset wrt Russia.

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In reply to Cal88 • 12:06p, 4/26/26
Unintended consequences: Russia will have two million plus war-trained, battle-tested Military. Same for tested and improved Military weapons and manufacturing.

Our MIC gets five or more years of replenishment orders, possibly a new $1.5 Trillion military budget, and new weapons systems with our special ops / other working hand-in-glove with Ukraine. The first Drone War?

Ukraine now claiming it will outfit 20,000 robots on the Frontline, but they don't look very nimble and seem to have limited firepower. Seems like a possible PR stunt.

China currently rearming Iran.
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In reply to movielover • 12:54p, 4/26/26
Ukraine seems to have closed the tech gap with Russia, drones being somewhat of an equalizer. They have copied the more successful Russian advances like the use of fiber optic fiber to guide drones, which makes them oblivious to electronic scrambling. They however lack manpower to field across the entire front going forward, and the Russian strategy so far is to constantly prod the whole line looking for weak spots.
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4:39p, 4/26/26
We are now in the 5th year of Ukraine's defenses against Russia being supposedly "about to collapse." Color me skeptical that this is happening anytime soon.
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In reply to sycasey • 4:46p, 4/26/26
When's the spring thaw?
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In reply to movielover • 6:11p, 4/26/26
The thaw started several weeks ago. The muddy season is over this week, as soon as the vegetation cover grows. The leaves and grass suck up the moisture from the ground. In the Fall, the mud season is the period after the leaves fall and before the ground freezes.
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In reply to sycasey • 7:09p, 4/26/26
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We are now in the 5th year of Ukraine's defenses against Russia being supposedly "about to collapse." Color me skeptical that this is happening anytime soon.


The war did last far longer than many expected, you have a valid point here, but the body count has been piling up, and a lot of the remaining draftable Ukrainian men aren't as motivated to go to the grinder.



" Just look at these new tombs"
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3:40p, 4/28/26
Amazing how David French is the author of so much stupid bull****


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The new "leader of the free world" abandoned his political mandate, arrested political opponents, purged the media, restricted freedom of religion, abandoned checks and balances, cancelled elections, outsourced decision-making to foreign powers, and banned his citizens from escaping the country. He is an instrument of foreign powers, and the vast majority of Ukrainians will celebrate the day he is gone.

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4:00p, 4/28/26
Glenn Diesen has been paid to write for RT.
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5:32p, 4/28/26
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 5:48p, 4/28/26
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Oh behave!
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7:45a, 4/29/26

Translated from Dutch
This just isn't normal anymore. Now they're shooting at their own citizens?
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5:26p, 4/29/26

Trump has repeatedly called out Germany, South Korea, and Japan, for not taking more financial responsibility for their defense as well their unwillingness to help with the Strait of Hormuz. These countries are also where we have the largest standing military presence outside the US.

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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 5:40p, 4/29/26
MAGA.
MWEGA.
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 6:30p, 4/29/26
That tweet sounds pretty positive, good relations with Russia can also help set up an exit ramp with Iran.
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In reply to Cal88 • 3:33p, 5/1/26
Cal88 said:
That tweet sounds pretty positive, good relations with Russia can also help set up an exit ramp with Iran.

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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 11:33p, 5/1/26
About 10 - 15% of our current footprint. Make it 10K
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In reply to movielover • 12:59a, 5/2/26
movielover said:
About 10 - 15% of our current footprint. Make it 10K

There is some U.S. law (National Defense Authorization Act) that imposes limits on reducing U.S. troop levels in Europe.
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6:23p, 5/2/26
Snippet from the readout of the recent Trump Putin phone call, as provided by Russia:

"It was also noted that since the beginning of 2025, Russia has handed over more than 20,000 bodies of fallen Ukrainian servicemen, while Ukraine has returned just over 500 bodies of Russian servicemen."

http://www.en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/79660
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In reply to movielover • 7:17p, 5/2/26
movielover said:
Snippet from the readout of the recent Trump Putin phone call, as provided by Russia:

"It was also noted that since the beginning of 2025, Russia has handed over more than 20,000 bodies of fallen Ukrainian servicemen, while Ukraine has returned just over 500 bodies of Russian servicemen."

http://www.en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/79660

Okay, but if Putin hadn't started the war there would be no dead servicemen to return.
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In reply to sycasey • 8:48p, 5/2/26
*paging Jake Sullivan and Victoria "Darth" Nuland*
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 8:59p, 5/2/26
PAC-10-BEAR said:
movielover said:
About 10 - 15% of our current footprint. Make it 10K

There is some U.S. law (National Defense Authorization Act) that imposes limits on reducing U.S. troop levels in Europe.


Presser today: President Trump was questioned about pulling troops out of Germany: "we are going to cut way down, and we are cutting a lot more than the 5,000."

Great.
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In reply to sycasey • 5:26a, 5/3/26
sycasey said:
movielover said:
Snippet from the readout of the recent Trump Putin phone call, as provided by Russia:

"It was also noted that since the beginning of 2025, Russia has handed over more than 20,000 bodies of fallen Ukrainian servicemen, while Ukraine has returned just over 500 bodies of Russian servicemen."

http://www.en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/79660

Okay, but if Putin hadn't started the war there would be no dead servicemen to return.


The question in 2026 though is, why is NATO still pushing for a war in Ukraine where Ukrainians have been dying in grossly disproportionate numbers??

To The Last Ukrainian?
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In reply to Cal88 • 10:24a, 5/3/26
Among all the recent noise, Susan Kokinda noted the recent long phone call between Trump and Putin. The two reportedly share similiar views, and view Europe as pushing Ukraine to continue the war.
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