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Could not be more well-said

Say whatever you want about the woke left, socialists, “woke right”, far right or whoever,

There is no group in US politics more disgusting than those who advocate for every last disastrous war, then confidently move on to supporting the next, all while serving in none.

— Dave Smith (@ComicDaveSmith) July 24, 2026

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This would be relevant here if the US had actually started the war in Ukraine.

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The U.S. did start the war in Ukraine.

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Yes.


Of course, you could always support the fight yourself.

‼️ THAT’S ODD: Nobody will go fight in the wars that they cheer on—why is that?

GLENN: "You seem like a young guy to me. Have you ever thought about going and fighting in this war that you're cheering on?"

MAGA LOYALIST: "Uh, I mean, I've thought about joining the military… pic.twitter.com/LBVl8gxroY

— System Update (@systemupdate_) July 30, 2026

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Could not be more well-said

Say whatever you want about the woke left, socialists, “woke right”, far right or whoever,

There is no group in US politics more disgusting than those who advocate for every last disastrous war, then confidently move on to supporting the next, all while serving in none.

— Dave Smith (@ComicDaveSmith) July 24, 2026

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This would be relevant here if the US had actually started the war in Ukraine.

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The U.S. did start the war in Ukraine.

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No.

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I already stated that I am in favor of the US supporting Ukraine with money and supplies, not Americans actually fighting in the war.

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We are fighting the war, operating cruise missile, drone and HIMARS attacks planned by our intel and satellite reconnaissance for 4 years now, and more recently with targets deeper inside Russia. The Russians have recently returned the favor by providing real time satellite intel to the Iranians, and access to their GPS system. This has markedly improved the accuracy of Iranian attacks.

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sycasey said:

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Aunburdened said:

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Could not be more well-said

Say whatever you want about the woke left, socialists, “woke right”, far right or whoever,

There is no group in US politics more disgusting than those who advocate for every last disastrous war, then confidently move on to supporting the next, all while serving in none.

— Dave Smith (@ComicDaveSmith) July 24, 2026

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This would be relevant here if the US had actually started the war in Ukraine.

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The U.S. did start the war in Ukraine.

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No.

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Yes.


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I already stated that I am in favor of the US supporting Ukraine with money and supplies, not Americans actually fighting in the war.

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We are fighting the war, operating cruise missile, drone and HIMARS attacks planned by our intel and satellite reconnaissance for 4 years now, and more recently with targets deeper inside Russia.

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I think you know this is not what I mean by "Americans fighting in the war."

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We're leading the war, to the last Ukrainian.

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sycasey said:

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Aunburdened said:

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Could not be more well-said

Say whatever you want about the woke left, socialists, “woke right”, far right or whoever,

There is no group in US politics more disgusting than those who advocate for every last disastrous war, then confidently move on to supporting the next, all while serving in none.

— Dave Smith (@ComicDaveSmith) July 24, 2026

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This would be relevant here if the US had actually started the war in Ukraine.

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The U.S. did start the war in Ukraine.

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No.

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Yes.


Of course, you could always support the fight yourself.

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I already stated that I am in favor of the US supporting Ukraine with money and supplies, not Americans actually fighting in the war.

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We are fighting the war, operating cruise missile, drone and HIMARS attacks planned by our intel and satellite reconnaissance for 4 years now, and more recently with targets deeper inside Russia.

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I think you know this is not what I mean by "Americans fighting in the war."

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We're leading the war, to the last Ukrainian.

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The Ukrainians are choosing to fight the war. Not sure why you guys always want to remove their agency here.

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They're so excited about defending their homeland that their government literally kidnaps people off the street to forcibly conscript them into the army, but continue with your neverending fiction.

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Could not be more well-said

Say whatever you want about the woke left, socialists, “woke right”, far right or whoever,

There is no group in US politics more disgusting than those who advocate for every last disastrous war, then confidently move on to supporting the next, all while serving in none.

— Dave Smith (@ComicDaveSmith) July 24, 2026

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This would be relevant here if the US had actually started the war in Ukraine.

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The U.S. did start the war in Ukraine.

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No.

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Yes.


Of course, you could always support the fight yourself.

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I already stated that I am in favor of the US supporting Ukraine with money and supplies, not Americans actually fighting in the war.

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We are fighting the war, operating cruise missile, drone and HIMARS attacks planned by our intel and satellite reconnaissance for 4 years now, and more recently with targets deeper inside Russia.

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I think you know this is not what I mean by "Americans fighting in the war."

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We're leading the war, to the last Ukrainian.

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The Ukrainians are choosing to fight the war. Not sure why you guys always want to remove their agency here.

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They're so excited about defending their homeland that their government literally kidnaps people off the street to forcibly conscript them into the army, but continue with your neverending fiction.

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New York had anti-draft riots during the Civil War so I guess the takeaway is the North didn't want to fight but Lincoln and some mysterious power forced them to.

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Sure because Zelensky is like a Lincoln, Churchill and Luke Skywalker combined...

The "mysterious power" in the Ukraine war are goon squads that have been kidnapping thousands of hapless, random Ukrainian men on city streets for years now.

🚨 New mobilization tactic in Ukraine!

Conscription officers ordered food and when the delivery guy came with the order they kidnapped him.

This would be funny if it weren’t so sad… pic.twitter.com/xUBWHhWi6d

— Gabriel (@GabeZZOZZ) June 3, 2025

🚨🇺🇦Horror on the streets of Lviv, Ukraine where conscription units beat a man to death and kidnapped him.

Zelensky’s thugs snatch Ukrainians off the streets every day - all while importing workers from Africa to replace them.

You have to be an absolute idiot to support this. pic.twitter.com/y5YKumOdr1

— Mario ZNA (@MarioBojic) July 18, 2026

"Please help me!" a man in Poltava screams as he is forcibly pushed into a police van. This is what conscription in Ukraine looks like today. pic.twitter.com/rQtUBshSAg

— Marta Havryshko (@HavryshkoMarta) July 10, 2026

Conscription in Ukraine: A man is kicked and dragged into a van by draft officers. Civilians who try to help him are beaten with a baton and pepper-sprayed. Rivne Oblast pic.twitter.com/91M5pXSEDY

— Marta Havryshko (@HavryshkoMarta) June 29, 2026

Zelensky was elected president on a platform of peace and reconciliation with the Donbas rebels, he presented himself as a Russian speaker who campaigned on getting along with the Russian minority.

Once he got in, he did a 180. No elections since 2019, while polls show overwhelming support in Ukraine for a negotiated settlement and an end to the war.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/693203/ukrainian-support-war-effort-collapses.aspx

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More than three years into the war, Ukrainians' support for continuing to fight until victory has hit a new low. In Gallup's most recent poll of Ukraine conducted in early July 69% say they favor a negotiated end to the war as soon as possible, compared with 24% who support continuing to fight until victory.

This marks a nearly complete reversal from public opinion in 2022, when 73% favored Ukraine fighting until victory and 22% preferred that Ukraine seek a negotiated end as soon as possible.

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This poll was from last year, the antiwar support in Ukraine today is even higher than 69%.

Zelensky is incredibly impressive and if he succeeds he will go down in history as a Churchill or Lincoln like figure. An ending that Putin has no hope for.

Also, polls about a "negotiated" end to the war are very vague. I'm surprised everybody doesn't support a "negotiated" end to the war. It reminds me of the Obama days when polls showed extremely high support for immigration "reform". Both the left and the right supported "reform" they just disagreed on what that meant.

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Zelensky is incredibly impressive and if he succeeds he will go down in history as a Churchill or Lincoln like figure. An ending that Putin has no hope for.

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Z is a salesman, a professional actor who has practiced for the role of president and sold that image via a TV sitcom. He's also a corrupt politician sitting atop the most corrupt country in Europe, he has skimmed hundreds of millions from the unaudited hundreds of billions in war funds.

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Also, polls about a "negotiated" end to the war are very vague. I'm surprised everybody doesn't support a "negotiated" end to the war. It reminds me of the Obama days when polls showed extremely high support for immigration "reform". Both the left and the right supported "reform" they just disagreed on what that meant.

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Clearly not, look at that article again, the two options were:
- Ukraine should continue fighting until it wins the war
- Ukraine should seek to negotiate an ending to the war as soon as possible

And the responders agreeing with ending the war as soon as possible went from 22% in 2022 to 69% in 25, and it's probably well in the 70s today, while the pro-war faction went from 72% to 25% in that time span.



UKRAINIANS DON'T SUPPORT THIS WAR.

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sycasey said:

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Aunburdened said:

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Could not be more well-said

Say whatever you want about the woke left, socialists, “woke right”, far right or whoever,

There is no group in US politics more disgusting than those who advocate for every last disastrous war, then confidently move on to supporting the next, all while serving in none.

— Dave Smith (@ComicDaveSmith) July 24, 2026

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This would be relevant here if the US had actually started the war in Ukraine.

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The U.S. did start the war in Ukraine.

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No.

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Yes.


Of course, you could always support the fight yourself.

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I already stated that I am in favor of the US supporting Ukraine with money and supplies, not Americans actually fighting in the war.

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We are fighting the war, operating cruise missile, drone and HIMARS attacks planned by our intel and satellite reconnaissance for 4 years now, and more recently with targets deeper inside Russia.

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I think you know this is not what I mean by "Americans fighting in the war."

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We're leading the war, to the last Ukrainian.

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The Ukrainians are choosing to fight the war. Not sure why you guys always want to remove their agency here.

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They're so excited about defending their homeland that their government literally kidnaps people off the street to forcibly conscript them into the army, but continue with your neverending fiction.

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You have been taken in by propaganda accounts that only show you one side of things. We've seen what it looks like when the Ukrainians actually want a change in leadership, on a mass scale.

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I didn't realize Victoria Nuland and John McCain had dual citizenship.

Good old American media war hypocrisy in action

Is it only “energy terror” when Russia does it? https://t.co/JLiGyMqdKy pic.twitter.com/eV5lnECkaF

— Assal Rad (@AssalRad) August 1, 2026

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Aunburdened said:

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Could not be more well-said

Say whatever you want about the woke left, socialists, “woke right”, far right or whoever,

There is no group in US politics more disgusting than those who advocate for every last disastrous war, then confidently move on to supporting the next, all while serving in none.

— Dave Smith (@ComicDaveSmith) July 24, 2026

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This would be relevant here if the US had actually started the war in Ukraine.

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The U.S. did start the war in Ukraine.

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No.

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Yes.


Of course, you could always support the fight yourself.

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I already stated that I am in favor of the US supporting Ukraine with money and supplies, not Americans actually fighting in the war.

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We are fighting the war, operating cruise missile, drone and HIMARS attacks planned by our intel and satellite reconnaissance for 4 years now, and more recently with targets deeper inside Russia.

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I think you know this is not what I mean by "Americans fighting in the war."

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We're leading the war, to the last Ukrainian.

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The Ukrainians are choosing to fight the war. Not sure why you guys always want to remove their agency here.

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They're so excited about defending their homeland that their government literally kidnaps people off the street to forcibly conscript them into the army, but continue with your neverending fiction.

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You have been taken in by propaganda accounts that only show you one side of things. We've seen what it looks like when the Ukrainians actually want a change in leadership, on a mass scale.

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I didn't realize Victoria Nuland and John McCain had dual citizenship.

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Pinning that whole thing on them is also taking the Ukrainians' agency away. They encouraged the Maidan revolution; they didn't create it.

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A multi billion dollar, multi year "encouragement".

Ukrainian agent sneaks IED bomb in a terrorist bombing operation of a crowded Moscow restaurant.

‼️🇷🇺🇺🇦 Terror attack on Moscow.

Three people kiIIed and over twenty injured at the Italian restaurant, Balzi Rossi in Moscow.

A female Ukrainian agent tried to enter the private venue but was blocked off by a security guard before the explosion went off, kiIIing both and an… pic.twitter.com/tUKw5SUMzj

— Spetsnaℤ 007 🇷🇺 (@Alex_Oloyede2) August 1, 2026

The war is not going well for Ukraine, contrary to what a lot of the MSM has been reporting lately.

This is the assessment of a pro-Ukrainian source :

Over the last few weeks, the situation for Ukraine on the frontline has rapidly deteriorated in an unprecedented manner not seen since early 2025.

In the northeastern corner Kharkiv Oblast, Russia has achieved two localised breakthroughs, threatening to encircle more than 360… pic.twitter.com/Bz7cwqcXeH

— AMK Mapping 🇳🇿 (@AMK_Mapping_) August 2, 2026

" Over the last few weeks, the situation for Ukraine on the frontline has rapidly deteriorated in an unprecedented manner not seen since early 2025.

In the northeastern corner Kharkiv Oblast, Russia has achieved two localised breakthroughs, threatening to encircle more than 360 km of Ukrainian-controlled territory.

In the Dobropillya direction, one of the most formidable Ukrainian strongholds which has stood for over a year has been breached, with Russian forces now flooding Ukrainian positions in the urban agglomeration between Pokrovsk and Dobropillya.

In the Kramatorsk/Slovyansk direction, Ukraine has been unable to slow down Russian advances, with Russia now coming within 4.7 km of both Slovyansk and Kramatorsk, and coming close to fully capturing the crucial tactical ridgeline east of these two final Donbas cities.

In the Kostyantynivka direction, Russia has captured Chasiv Yar after 840 days of battles, and has almost completed the capture of Kostyantynivka. The salient west of Chasiv Yar is falling apart day by day as Ukraine withdraws.

In the Druzhkivka direction, Russia achieved a localised breakthrough of up to 6 km, capturing 3 villages and entering 3 others, coming within 5.1 km of Druzhkivka, and threatening the Ukrainian salient west of Kostyantynivka with encirclement.

In the Omelnyk direction, Russia has finally captured the Ukrainian stronghold town of Zaliznychne after over 7 months of battles, and are making new advances west of the Haichur River towards Vozdyvzhivka.

In the Stepnohirsk direction, Russia has halted the Ukrainian counterattacks and have begun retaking previously lost ground, advancing northeast of Kamyanske and north from Mali Shcherbaky.

In the Kupyansk direction, the crucial Ukrainian bridgehead east of the Oskil River continues to shrink day by day, with Russian forces expanding their zone of control in the area of Novosynove, Kivsharivka, Pishchane, Petropavlivka, and Kupyansk itself.

Ukraine is losing incredibly important defensive positions necessary for holding the frontline in the future, especially the areas south of Dobropillya which should not be falling this quickly. However, they are seemingly intent on concentrating their assault forces in counterattacks north of Lyman, west of Komar, and south of Novopavlivka, which have questionable (at best) strategic reasoning for the heavy cost being endured.

The new Ukrainian Commander-in-Chief Mykhailo Drapatyi has inherited a situation that is getting worse by the day, and will have to make some serious and difficult decisions in order to try stabilise it towards the end of Summer."

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The war is not going well for Ukraine, contrary to what a lot of the MSM has been reporting lately.

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No it isn't.

For weeks, the prevailing establishment media narrative has been that Ukraine is winning the war. Meanwhile, Russian ground forces are advancing; Ukrainians are resisting forced military conscription; and Ukraine is losing control of vital ports, possibly on the path to becoming… https://t.co/EOSkLVKcff

— Aaron Maté (@aaronjmate) August 3, 2026

Ukraine just droned beachgoers in southern Russia and a college campus in the Russian city of Belgorod.

Three people killed and thirteen injured during Ukrainian drone attack on beach goers in Gelendzhik, Russia. pic.twitter.com/0dTy1xPLcK

— Olga Bazova (@OlgaBazova) August 3, 2026

Late last night, the Ukrainians carried out an attack on the Belgorod State technical university.

Claims "students built and developed drones & AI".

Is that what we are going off now? Technical Universities are now fair game? That makes thousands of Ukranian students targets..? pic.twitter.com/prvZRXnDnO

— Spetsnaℤ 007 🇷🇺 (@Alex_Oloyede2) August 3, 2026

This has been happening thousands of times every month in Ukraine.

One common feature in these videos is that the crowd is invariably upset and disgusted at the act of kidnapping

The policy of NATO -- fight Russia all the way to the last Ukrainian -- continues.

Among the most horrifying scenes has been watching Ukrainians who know they are being used as cannon fodder in a futile war be violently dragged off to the front line while the west cheers. https://t.co/S2yfbINXs5

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) August 3, 2026

🇺🇦 Ukrainian recruiters tried forcing a random dude into their van, but didn't end well for them.

Locals saw it, jumped in, and one of them grabbed a wooden pallet, threw it and smashed it into the recruiters, then the man went free.

Ukraine is desperately short on soldiers and…

— Mario Nawfal (@MarioNawfal) August 4, 2026

After reading about Trump screaming at Hegseth at Camp David for running out of gear, I decided to look into this subject. Shouldn't we be hiring some of these Ukranian fellers and signing them to max contracts?


Ukraine became a global superpower in drone and robot warfare through existential necessity, hyper-rapid innovation cycles, a vast decentralized commercial tech ecosystem, and heavy integration of artificial intelligence (AI).

1. The Ultra-Fast "Feedback Loop"
The defining advantage of Ukraine's drone industry is its unprecedentedly fast development cycle.

Real-time adaptation: Software developers, engineers, and frontline operators talk directly to one another.

Rapid fixes: Modifications to bypass new Russian electronic jamming are often coded, tested, and deployed to the front lines within days or weeks.

Networked operations: Instead of relying on one "perfect" drone, Ukraine deploys networked "families" of systems, reconnaissance, relay, interceptor, and strike drones working in tandem.

2. A Massive, Decentralized Private Tech Ecosystem

Unlike traditional Western defense models that rely on a few massive, slow-moving military contractors, Ukraine decentralized its production.

Brave1 Hub: The government created platforms like the Brave1 defense tech cluster to fast-track state registration, funding, and testing for private startups.

Garage-to-Frontline Pipeline: Hundreds of small commercial companies, student groups, and tech startups pivot directly to defense production.

Explosive catalog growth: Ukraine has integrated over 200 domestically developed aerial drone systems and more than 40 uncrewed ground vehicle (UGV) platforms into its military since 2022.

3. Overcoming Electronic Warfare via AI Autonomy

As Russia heavily deployed electronic warfare (EW) to jam radio frequencies and sever the link between human pilots and drones, Ukraine adapted by removing the human pilot from the final phase of attack.

Terminal Autonomy: Drones are equipped with cheap microchips running computer vision and machine learning. Once an operator identifies a target from afar, the AI takes over tracking. Even if Russia completely jams the radio signal, the drone locks on and strikes autonomously.

Automated Air Defense: Ukraine fields mass-produced interceptor drones (like Skyfall's P1 Sunjet Killer) that utilize AI-assisted targeting modules to track and crash into high-speed Russian attack drones.

4. Expansion into the "Robot Army" (UGVs & Naval Drones)

Uncrewed Ground Vehicles (UGVs): Ground robots (like the Rattel M and Rattel H) perform thousands of dangerous missions, including casualty evacuations, mine-laying, and autonomous supply logistics through heavily shelled areas.

Robotic Amphibious Landing Operations: Ukrainian forces have advanced to complex "marsupial" tactics, such as utilizing naval drones to beach on enemy shores and successfully deploy tracked, machine-gun-wielding ground robots to seize positions.

5. Drastic Cost Asymmetry

Ukraine learned to counter incredibly expensive weapons using ultra-cheap commercial components. For instance, rather than exhausting scarce, multi-million-dollar air defense missiles against Russian Shahed drones, Ukraine scaled up "Mala PPO" (small-scale air defense). This relies on thousands of mobile fire units and cheap First-Person View (FPV) interceptor drones manufactured daily for a fraction of the cost.