sycasey said:

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sycasey said:

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cbbass1 said:

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After conquering the Donbass, the Ukrainian army was going to invade Russian territory, with the intention of getting Russia bogged down in an expensive conflict.

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By the way, I think this is also completely insane, basically taking Putin's most paranoid fears as gospel truth. Ukraine was not going to invade Russia, come on now.

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What do you think they've been doing with their drone strikes for the last few months?

Didn't Zelenskyy & the Ukrainian army go across the Russian border & grab territory near Kursk??

Why do you think they funded, armed, & trained the Neo-Nazi militias & brought them together to form the Ukrainian army? To hand out cookies?? NO. The purpose of the exercise was for Ukraine to engage with Russia militarily, in order to weaken Russia, with the ultimate purpose of either defeating Russia, or diminishing its ability to thrive & influence world affairs.

Why did the CIA set up 12 signals / intelligence bases in Eastern Ukraine, near Russia's border, soon after the 2014 Maidan Coup?
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html

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Every one of these things happened as a response to a Russian incursion on Ukrainian territory, not before. The earlier ones came in response to Crimean annexation and Russia backing separatist groups in Eastern Ukraine to foment a civil war. The later ones came after Russia had already outright invaded the capital. You are blaming Ukraine for fighting back and for asking for help from the US, and saying that this justifies further Russian aggression.

Can't help but feel like this means you really just think that it's okay for Russia to take as much of Ukraine as they want. Is that your position? Honestly, everything you argue would be a lot more consistent if it was.

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Check your timeline, bro!

I even provided an NYT link for the CIA bases that were started in 2014. I'm just a dumb engineer, but after checking my calculations, that's still several years BEFORE the 2022 SMO.

You're also overlooking the fact that the U.S. & Ukraine, after signing both the Minsk I & 2 Agreements, poured $Billions into arming, training, & building what had been a collection of neo-Nazi militas into what later became the Ukrainian Army. You might also recall that during this process, these militas -> Army lobbed artillery rounds into ethnic Russian neighborhoods in the Donbass, killing 11,000 ethnic Russians in the process.

All of these things were exhaustively documented throughout the world.

Your political memory is extremely short & very selective. Read up on some Ukrainian history -- even the Russophobic Western media -- to refresh your memory.

This conflict didn't just start out of the blue in Feb 2022.

DiabloWags said:

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Yeah, just more Putin propaganda.

Just more Putin SPAM.

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Posting new information in a relevant thread is not spam even if you don't like the content. Sorry.

oski003 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Yeah, just more Putin propaganda.

Just more Putin SPAM.

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Posting new information in a relevant thread is not spam even if you don't like the content. Sorry.

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Never stops being funny to me that the people who post the propaganda in this thread have to resort to calling contrary information propaganda because they have no effective counterargument.

It's just bitter tears.

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sycasey said:

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cbbass1 said:

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sycasey said:

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cbbass1 said:

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After conquering the Donbass, the Ukrainian army was going to invade Russian territory, with the intention of getting Russia bogged down in an expensive conflict.

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By the way, I think this is also completely insane, basically taking Putin's most paranoid fears as gospel truth. Ukraine was not going to invade Russia, come on now.

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What do you think they've been doing with their drone strikes for the last few months?

Didn't Zelenskyy & the Ukrainian army go across the Russian border & grab territory near Kursk??

Why do you think they funded, armed, & trained the Neo-Nazi militias & brought them together to form the Ukrainian army? To hand out cookies?? NO. The purpose of the exercise was for Ukraine to engage with Russia militarily, in order to weaken Russia, with the ultimate purpose of either defeating Russia, or diminishing its ability to thrive & influence world affairs.

Why did the CIA set up 12 signals / intelligence bases in Eastern Ukraine, near Russia's border, soon after the 2014 Maidan Coup?
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html

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Every one of these things happened as a response to a Russian incursion on Ukrainian territory, not before. The earlier ones came in response to Crimean annexation and Russia backing separatist groups in Eastern Ukraine to foment a civil war. The later ones came after Russia had already outright invaded the capital. You are blaming Ukraine for fighting back and for asking for help from the US, and saying that this justifies further Russian aggression.

Can't help but feel like this means you really just think that it's okay for Russia to take as much of Ukraine as they want. Is that your position? Honestly, everything you argue would be a lot more consistent if it was.

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Check your timeline, bro!

I even provided an NYT link for the CIA bases that were started in 2014. I'm just a dumb engineer, but after checking my calculations, that's still several years BEFORE the 2022 SMO.

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Reading comprehension is not your strong suit, is it? Read it again slowly.

I said the CIA bases came after the Russian annexation of Crimea, not after the full-scale invasion in 2022. I am correct about that.

DiabloWags said:

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oski003 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Yeah, just more Putin propaganda.

Just more Putin SPAM.

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Posting new information in a relevant thread is not spam even if you don't like the content. Sorry.

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Oh the irony.

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/135263/replies/2739727

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This looks like you still can't read and understand what others post. No irony here other than you demonstrating poor self-awareness.

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DaddyLegend said:

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sycasey said:

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cbbass1 said:

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After conquering the Donbass, the Ukrainian army was going to invade Russian territory, with the intention of getting Russia bogged down in an expensive conflict.

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By the way, I think this is also completely insane, basically taking Putin's most paranoid fears as gospel truth. Ukraine was not going to invade Russia, come on now.

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There are also no U.S. funded bioweapons labs in Ukraine and NATO and its allies didn't blow up the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

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Didn't they catch a small team of Ukrainians who attacked Nord Stream? I mean, I guess that would technically be US allies but it doesn't look like a coordinated effort.

Also, correct that there were no bioweapons labs. There were bio-research labs, which may be what you're confused about.

All of the stuff you are claiming is pretty much you 100% swallowing the Russian government's narrative on each of these topics, by the way. And yet people complain about me sharing propaganda!

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It appears this way because the Russian government is telling the truth.

U.S. NeoCons have been writing volumes about their desire to bring about the strategic defeat & breakup of Russia since 1990. Everything that the U.S. has done since then in 100% consistent with the roadmaps & plans that were laid out in the years after the collapse of the USSR.

Putin has even cited these plans when calling out the U.S. for continuing its aggressive Eastward expansion of NATO, and for provoking the SMO by amassing Ukrainian troops just outside the Donbass.

The U.S. has been the aggressor against Russia since the April, 2008 NATO Summit in Bucharest, where the Bush administration declared its intention to bring Ukraine & Georgia into NATO.

Why did they do that, if not to put a hostile military alliance on Russia's doorstep??

The clear U.S. intention was to put first-strike missile installations in Eastern Ukraine & N Georgia, minutes from Moscow. And if Russia attacked those U.S. missile installations, their attack would trigger a NATO Article 5 response.

This has been the "game" that the U.S. has played since the early 1990s.

The only people who don't recognize the "game" are those in the U.S. & Europe who are taught to demonize Putin & Russia.

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How long until Putin hits EU military manufacturing centers?

He could send out a warning, one hour to evacuate facility xyz, hit it with a Hazel, game over; two days later, hit more. Military production, say on a Saturday night when most workers are gone. Evacuate the cleaning and security crews.

Or maybe he concentrates on taking Odessa, and hammering Kiev.

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Putin has been extremely reluctant to attack Europe because its Russophobic leaders have so little popular support, and because the conflict they're attempting to provoke against Russia has close to ZERO popular support!

Putin's recent push to "finish the job" in Ukraine has been at the urging of a strong majority of Russian people, who recognize that the American aggressors are "agreement incapable", and can't be trusted to uphold any treaty.

Today's election returns from Russia show that Putin's ruling party will continue to dominate Russia's Duma (Congress).

Days after President Trump asked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to halt attacks on Russian oil refineries, Zelenskyy wrote on X: "One of Russia's key oil industry facilities and the aggressor's logistics facility were hit. These are billions of dollars that sustain the war machine. The systems used included FP-1, RZ-100, MICH-2000, Palianytsia, Vendetta, Liutyi, Bars, Flamingo, Sichen, and Pelican."

It appears that EU-NATO are broadcasting their desire for an expanded conflict with Russia, beyond the confines of the non-NATO Ukraine conflict.

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Days after President Trump asked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to halt attacks on Russian oil refineries, Zelenskyy wrote on X: "One of Russia's key oil industry facilities and the aggressor's logistics facility were hit. These are billions of dollars that sustain the war machine. The systems used included FP-1, RZ-100, MICH-2000, Palianytsia, Vendetta, Liutyi, Bars, Flamingo, Sichen, and Pelican."

It appears that EU-NATO are broadcasting their desire for an expanded conflict with Russia, beyond the confines of the non-NATO Ukraine conflict.

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This is 100% true.

Zelenskyy & the EU are desperately trying to provoke Russia into attacking them.

It's not because they want to fight a war with Russia. It's because they want the U.S. to fight the war for them.


Those of you who are younger might not remember this drill from the Vietnam War. Every year, when the National Defense Authorization Act is coming up for a vote, we'd hear from the usual crowd of "defense" industry lobbyists that "victory is just around the corner!"

"IF WE ONLY HAD _________ [costing $xxx BILLION of taxpayer money], we could finally WIN this war!!"

Of course, this was pure nonsense, because there was no way to "win" a war like that from the start. But the ruse almost always worked.


What would "victory" over Russia look like?

IF anyone thinks that Russia would allow Ukraine, or the U.S., to defeat Russia militarily, they're delusional. Even if there was a regime change in Russia, whoever replaced Putin would be FAR less cautious than Putin, and would be more likely to attack the U.S. & Europe.

And if it looked like Russia was about to suffer a military defeat, it would do exactly what the U.S. would do -- let the birds fly. And within 72 minutes of their launch of their nukes, much of the world would be destroyed in a nuclear holocaust, where the survivors would envy the dead.

So be careful what you wish for.

The Sham Victory Ukraine's Being Promised Against Russia

DiabloWags said:

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Yeah, just more Putin propaganda.

Just more Putin SPAM.

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You can call it "Putin propaganda" all you want.

You just can't prove it wrong, with reality-based facts.

cbbass1 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Yeah, just more Putin propaganda.

Just more Putin SPAM.

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You can call it "Putin propaganda" all you want.

You just can't prove it wrong, with reality-based facts.

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Without drones the peace deal might have been inked 18 months ago.

cbbass1 said:

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sycasey said:

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DaddyLegend said:

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sycasey said:

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cbbass1 said:

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After conquering the Donbass, the Ukrainian army was going to invade Russian territory, with the intention of getting Russia bogged down in an expensive conflict.

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By the way, I think this is also completely insane, basically taking Putin's most paranoid fears as gospel truth. Ukraine was not going to invade Russia, come on now.

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There are also no U.S. funded bioweapons labs in Ukraine and NATO and its allies didn't blow up the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

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Didn't they catch a small team of Ukrainians who attacked Nord Stream? I mean, I guess that would technically be US allies but it doesn't look like a coordinated effort.

Also, correct that there were no bioweapons labs. There were bio-research labs, which may be what you're confused about.

All of the stuff you are claiming is pretty much you 100% swallowing the Russian government's narrative on each of these topics, by the way. And yet people complain about me sharing propaganda!

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It appears this way because the Russian government is telling the truth.

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BWAAA-HA-HA-HAAAAAAA. Funniest thing I've ever read on this board.

sycasey said:

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cbbass1 said:

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sycasey said:

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DaddyLegend said:

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sycasey said:

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cbbass1 said:

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After conquering the Donbass, the Ukrainian army was going to invade Russian territory, with the intention of getting Russia bogged down in an expensive conflict.

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By the way, I think this is also completely insane, basically taking Putin's most paranoid fears as gospel truth. Ukraine was not going to invade Russia, come on now.

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There are also no U.S. funded bioweapons labs in Ukraine and NATO and its allies didn't blow up the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

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Didn't they catch a small team of Ukrainians who attacked Nord Stream? I mean, I guess that would technically be US allies but it doesn't look like a coordinated effort.

Also, correct that there were no bioweapons labs. There were bio-research labs, which may be what you're confused about.

All of the stuff you are claiming is pretty much you 100% swallowing the Russian government's narrative on each of these topics, by the way. And yet people complain about me sharing propaganda!

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It appears this way because the Russian government is telling the truth.

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BWAAA-HA-HA-HAAAAAAA. Funniest thing I've ever read on this board.

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The existence of biolabs in Ukraine was confirmed by Rubio in a deposition with Victoria Nuland. She stated the U.S. was concerned that advancing Russian forces might try to gain control of those research materials, and that the U.S. was working with Ukrainians to prevent them from falling into the wrong hands, which confirms that the research conducted there was of a sensitive nature.

Cal88 said:

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sycasey said:

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cbbass1 said:

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sycasey said:

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DaddyLegend said:

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sycasey said:

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cbbass1 said:

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After conquering the Donbass, the Ukrainian army was going to invade Russian territory, with the intention of getting Russia bogged down in an expensive conflict.

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By the way, I think this is also completely insane, basically taking Putin's most paranoid fears as gospel truth. Ukraine was not going to invade Russia, come on now.

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There are also no U.S. funded bioweapons labs in Ukraine and NATO and its allies didn't blow up the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

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Didn't they catch a small team of Ukrainians who attacked Nord Stream? I mean, I guess that would technically be US allies but it doesn't look like a coordinated effort.

Also, correct that there were no bioweapons labs. There were bio-research labs, which may be what you're confused about.

All of the stuff you are claiming is pretty much you 100% swallowing the Russian government's narrative on each of these topics, by the way. And yet people complain about me sharing propaganda!

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It appears this way because the Russian government is telling the truth.

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BWAAA-HA-HA-HAAAAAAA. Funniest thing I've ever read on this board.

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The existence of biolabs in Ukraine was confirmed by Rubio in a deposition with Victoria Nuland. She stated the U.S. was concerned that advancing Russian forces might try to gain control of those research materials, and that the U.S. was working with Ukrainians to prevent them from falling into the wrong hands, which confirms that the research conducted there was of a sensitive nature.

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Yes, bio-research labs. Many of your favorite conspiracy theorists have twisted this into thinking that these labs were bio-weapons labs, which is not confirmed.

sycasey said:

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Cal88 said:

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sycasey said:

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cbbass1 said:

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sycasey said:

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DaddyLegend said:

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sycasey said:

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cbbass1 said:

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After conquering the Donbass, the Ukrainian army was going to invade Russian territory, with the intention of getting Russia bogged down in an expensive conflict.

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By the way, I think this is also completely insane, basically taking Putin's most paranoid fears as gospel truth. Ukraine was not going to invade Russia, come on now.

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There are also no U.S. funded bioweapons labs in Ukraine and NATO and its allies didn't blow up the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

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Didn't they catch a small team of Ukrainians who attacked Nord Stream? I mean, I guess that would technically be US allies but it doesn't look like a coordinated effort.

Also, correct that there were no bioweapons labs. There were bio-research labs, which may be what you're confused about.

All of the stuff you are claiming is pretty much you 100% swallowing the Russian government's narrative on each of these topics, by the way. And yet people complain about me sharing propaganda!

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It appears this way because the Russian government is telling the truth.

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BWAAA-HA-HA-HAAAAAAA. Funniest thing I've ever read on this board.

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The existence of biolabs in Ukraine was confirmed by Rubio in a deposition with Victoria Nuland. She stated the U.S. was concerned that advancing Russian forces might try to gain control of those research materials, and that the U.S. was working with Ukrainians to prevent them from falling into the wrong hands, which confirms that the research conducted there was of a sensitive nature.

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Yes, bio-research labs. Many of your favorite conspiracy theorists have twisted this into thinking that these labs were bio-weapons labs, which is not confirmed.

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If those were "normal" bio research labs, Nuland wouldn't have expressed being worried about that research "falling into the wrong hands".

Marco Rubio: Does Ukraine 🇺🇦 have chemical or biological weapons?

Victoria Nuland: Uh… Ukraine has biological research facilities which we are now quite concerned Russian troops, Russian forces may be seeking to gain control of.pic.twitter.com/4z4EB40AMq

— Juan Hodl (@JuanGutiCA714) February 25, 2024

Cal88 said:

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sycasey said:

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Cal88 said:

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sycasey said:

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cbbass1 said:

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sycasey said:

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DaddyLegend said:

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sycasey said:

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cbbass1 said:

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After conquering the Donbass, the Ukrainian army was going to invade Russian territory, with the intention of getting Russia bogged down in an expensive conflict.

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By the way, I think this is also completely insane, basically taking Putin's most paranoid fears as gospel truth. Ukraine was not going to invade Russia, come on now.

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There are also no U.S. funded bioweapons labs in Ukraine and NATO and its allies didn't blow up the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

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Didn't they catch a small team of Ukrainians who attacked Nord Stream? I mean, I guess that would technically be US allies but it doesn't look like a coordinated effort.

Also, correct that there were no bioweapons labs. There were bio-research labs, which may be what you're confused about.

All of the stuff you are claiming is pretty much you 100% swallowing the Russian government's narrative on each of these topics, by the way. And yet people complain about me sharing propaganda!

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It appears this way because the Russian government is telling the truth.

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BWAAA-HA-HA-HAAAAAAA. Funniest thing I've ever read on this board.

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The existence of biolabs in Ukraine was confirmed by Rubio in a deposition with Victoria Nuland. She stated the U.S. was concerned that advancing Russian forces might try to gain control of those research materials, and that the U.S. was working with Ukrainians to prevent them from falling into the wrong hands, which confirms that the research conducted there was of a sensitive nature.

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Yes, bio-research labs. Many of your favorite conspiracy theorists have twisted this into thinking that these labs were bio-weapons labs, which is not confirmed.

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If those were "normal" bio research labs, Nuland wouldn't have expressed being worried about that research "falling into the wrong hands".

Marco Rubio: Does Ukraine 🇺🇦 have chemical or biological weapons?

Victoria Nuland: Uh… Ukraine has biological research facilities which we are now quite concerned Russian troops, Russian forces may be seeking to gain control of.pic.twitter.com/4z4EB40AMq

— Juan Hodl (@JuanGutiCA714) February 25, 2024

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So she said what I said she said and you are inferring a lot more than what was actually said. Thanks.

sycasey said:

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Cal88 said:

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sycasey said:

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Cal88 said:

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sycasey said:

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cbbass1 said:

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sycasey said:

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DaddyLegend said:

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sycasey said:

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cbbass1 said:

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After conquering the Donbass, the Ukrainian army was going to invade Russian territory, with the intention of getting Russia bogged down in an expensive conflict.

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By the way, I think this is also completely insane, basically taking Putin's most paranoid fears as gospel truth. Ukraine was not going to invade Russia, come on now.

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There are also no U.S. funded bioweapons labs in Ukraine and NATO and its allies didn't blow up the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

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Didn't they catch a small team of Ukrainians who attacked Nord Stream? I mean, I guess that would technically be US allies but it doesn't look like a coordinated effort.

Also, correct that there were no bioweapons labs. There were bio-research labs, which may be what you're confused about.

All of the stuff you are claiming is pretty much you 100% swallowing the Russian government's narrative on each of these topics, by the way. And yet people complain about me sharing propaganda!

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It appears this way because the Russian government is telling the truth.

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BWAAA-HA-HA-HAAAAAAA. Funniest thing I've ever read on this board.

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The existence of biolabs in Ukraine was confirmed by Rubio in a deposition with Victoria Nuland. She stated the U.S. was concerned that advancing Russian forces might try to gain control of those research materials, and that the U.S. was working with Ukrainians to prevent them from falling into the wrong hands, which confirms that the research conducted there was of a sensitive nature.

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Yes, bio-research labs. Many of your favorite conspiracy theorists have twisted this into thinking that these labs were bio-weapons labs, which is not confirmed.

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If those were "normal" bio research labs, Nuland wouldn't have expressed being worried about that research "falling into the wrong hands".

Marco Rubio: Does Ukraine 🇺🇦 have chemical or biological weapons?

Victoria Nuland: Uh… Ukraine has biological research facilities which we are now quite concerned Russian troops, Russian forces may be seeking to gain control of.pic.twitter.com/4z4EB40AMq

— Juan Hodl (@JuanGutiCA714) February 25, 2024

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So she said what I said she said and you are inferring a lot more than what was actually said. Thanks.

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She didn't, and you know it. If she was concerned with the research falling into Russian military hands, that research had military applications.

If those labs weren't bioweapons lab, Nuland would have simply answered "no" to Rubio's question about whether Ukraine had biological and chemical weapons. The reason she didn't is because she is under oath, she had to at least tell a partial truth.

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sycasey said:

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Cal88 said:

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sycasey said:

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Cal88 said:

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sycasey said:

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cbbass1 said:

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sycasey said:

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DaddyLegend said:

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sycasey said:

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cbbass1 said:

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After conquering the Donbass, the Ukrainian army was going to invade Russian territory, with the intention of getting Russia bogged down in an expensive conflict.

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By the way, I think this is also completely insane, basically taking Putin's most paranoid fears as gospel truth. Ukraine was not going to invade Russia, come on now.

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There are also no U.S. funded bioweapons labs in Ukraine and NATO and its allies didn't blow up the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

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Didn't they catch a small team of Ukrainians who attacked Nord Stream? I mean, I guess that would technically be US allies but it doesn't look like a coordinated effort.

Also, correct that there were no bioweapons labs. There were bio-research labs, which may be what you're confused about.

All of the stuff you are claiming is pretty much you 100% swallowing the Russian government's narrative on each of these topics, by the way. And yet people complain about me sharing propaganda!

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It appears this way because the Russian government is telling the truth.

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BWAAA-HA-HA-HAAAAAAA. Funniest thing I've ever read on this board.

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The existence of biolabs in Ukraine was confirmed by Rubio in a deposition with Victoria Nuland. She stated the U.S. was concerned that advancing Russian forces might try to gain control of those research materials, and that the U.S. was working with Ukrainians to prevent them from falling into the wrong hands, which confirms that the research conducted there was of a sensitive nature.

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Yes, bio-research labs. Many of your favorite conspiracy theorists have twisted this into thinking that these labs were bio-weapons labs, which is not confirmed.

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If those were "normal" bio research labs, Nuland wouldn't have expressed being worried about that research "falling into the wrong hands".

Marco Rubio: Does Ukraine 🇺🇦 have chemical or biological weapons?

Victoria Nuland: Uh… Ukraine has biological research facilities which we are now quite concerned Russian troops, Russian forces may be seeking to gain control of.pic.twitter.com/4z4EB40AMq

— Juan Hodl (@JuanGutiCA714) February 25, 2024

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So she said what I said she said and you are inferring a lot more than what was actually said. Thanks.

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She didn't, and you know it. If she was concerned with the research falling into Russian military hands, that research had military applications.

If those labs weren't bioweapons lab, Nuland would have simply answered "no" to Rubio's question about whether Ukraine had biological and chemical weapons. The reason she didn't is because she is under oath, she had to at least tell a partial truth.

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You think this because it confirms your prior assumptions. There's no actual evidence of it.

Also, even if it was true, so what? The US and Ukraine partnering on military weapons research doesn't justify starting a war.

Come on guys. The US just wanted to fund a bunch of biolabs on Russia's border because, besides the Wuhan Covid Lab, it is the best place in the world to do harmless scientific research! Nothing suspicious here.

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sycasey said:

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Cal88 said:

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sycasey said:

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Cal88 said:

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sycasey said:

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Cal88 said:

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sycasey said:

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cbbass1 said:

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sycasey said:

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DaddyLegend said:

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sycasey said:

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cbbass1 said:

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After conquering the Donbass, the Ukrainian army was going to invade Russian territory, with the intention of getting Russia bogged down in an expensive conflict.

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By the way, I think this is also completely insane, basically taking Putin's most paranoid fears as gospel truth. Ukraine was not going to invade Russia, come on now.

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There are also no U.S. funded bioweapons labs in Ukraine and NATO and its allies didn't blow up the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

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Didn't they catch a small team of Ukrainians who attacked Nord Stream? I mean, I guess that would technically be US allies but it doesn't look like a coordinated effort.

Also, correct that there were no bioweapons labs. There were bio-research labs, which may be what you're confused about.

All of the stuff you are claiming is pretty much you 100% swallowing the Russian government's narrative on each of these topics, by the way. And yet people complain about me sharing propaganda!

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It appears this way because the Russian government is telling the truth.

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BWAAA-HA-HA-HAAAAAAA. Funniest thing I've ever read on this board.

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The existence of biolabs in Ukraine was confirmed by Rubio in a deposition with Victoria Nuland. She stated the U.S. was concerned that advancing Russian forces might try to gain control of those research materials, and that the U.S. was working with Ukrainians to prevent them from falling into the wrong hands, which confirms that the research conducted there was of a sensitive nature.

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Yes, bio-research labs. Many of your favorite conspiracy theorists have twisted this into thinking that these labs were bio-weapons labs, which is not confirmed.

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If those were "normal" bio research labs, Nuland wouldn't have expressed being worried about that research "falling into the wrong hands".

Marco Rubio: Does Ukraine 🇺🇦 have chemical or biological weapons?

Victoria Nuland: Uh… Ukraine has biological research facilities which we are now quite concerned Russian troops, Russian forces may be seeking to gain control of.pic.twitter.com/4z4EB40AMq

— Juan Hodl (@JuanGutiCA714) February 25, 2024

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So she said what I said she said and you are inferring a lot more than what was actually said. Thanks.

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She didn't, and you know it. If she was concerned with the research falling into Russian military hands, that research had military applications.

If those labs weren't bioweapons lab, Nuland would have simply answered "no" to Rubio's question about whether Ukraine had biological and chemical weapons. The reason she didn't is because she is under oath, she had to at least tell a partial truth.

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You think this because it confirms your prior assumptions. There's no actual evidence of it.

Also, even if it was true, so what? The US and Ukraine partnering on military weapons research doesn't justify starting a war.

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We've started a war on Iraq for that very pretext.

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Correct, and in Iran recently too. Both of those were bad decisions and Russia's war in Ukraine is also bad.

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sycasey said:

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Aunburdened said:

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oski003 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Yeah, just more Putin propaganda.

Just more Putin SPAM.

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Posting new information in a relevant thread is not spam even if you don't like the content. Sorry.

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Never stops being funny to me that the people who post the propaganda in this thread have to resort to calling contrary information propaganda because they have no effective counterargument.

It's just bitter tears.

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Pot, kettle, etc.

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Since you're such a fan of propaganda, here's some more for you.

Has Ukraine won yet? They said it'd be over in "weeks". It's been 4 years and 7 months. The death and destruction continues on your dime. pic.twitter.com/2VAbnzBZ4l

— Matt Orfalea (@0rf) September 21, 2026

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I don't believe I ever said Ukraine would win the war in a matter of weeks, but thanks.

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When Russia ultimately prevails in the Ukraine war, will it face a long and bloody insurgency or will it quell any such efforts with Lidice level pacification methods?

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Russia has occupied 20% of Ukraine for 4 years now, and there was no guerilla movement in those regions, because the locals are overwhelmingly pro-Russian. The Russians will not annex parts of Ukraine that are hostile to them, if the war goes on and the Russians keep advancing they would only annex a total of around 40% of Ukraine representing the majority Russian and Russophone areas in red below:

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The fact that the same color represents between 25% and 74% likely makes the map misleading. It is a silly grouping.

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After conquering the Donbass, the Ukrainian army was going to invade Russian territory, with the intention of getting Russia bogged down in an expensive conflict.

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By the way, I think this is also completely insane, basically taking Putin's most paranoid fears as gospel truth. Ukraine was not going to invade Russia, come on now.

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There are also no U.S. funded bioweapons labs in Ukraine and NATO and its allies didn't blow up the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

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Didn't they catch a small team of Ukrainians who attacked Nord Stream? I mean, I guess that would technically be US allies but it doesn't look like a coordinated effort.

Also, correct that there were no bioweapons labs. There were bio-research labs, which may be what you're confused about.

All of the stuff you are claiming is pretty much you 100% swallowing the Russian government's narrative on each of these topics, by the way. And yet people complain about me sharing propaganda!

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It appears this way because the Russian government is telling the truth.

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BWAAA-HA-HA-HAAAAAAA. Funniest thing I've ever read on this board.

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The existence of biolabs in Ukraine was confirmed by Rubio in a deposition with Victoria Nuland. She stated the U.S. was concerned that advancing Russian forces might try to gain control of those research materials, and that the U.S. was working with Ukrainians to prevent them from falling into the wrong hands, which confirms that the research conducted there was of a sensitive nature.

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Yes, bio-research labs. Many of your favorite conspiracy theorists have twisted this into thinking that these labs were bio-weapons labs, which is not confirmed.

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If those were "normal" bio research labs, Nuland wouldn't have expressed being worried about that research "falling into the wrong hands".

Marco Rubio: Does Ukraine 🇺🇦 have chemical or biological weapons?

Victoria Nuland: Uh… Ukraine has biological research facilities which we are now quite concerned Russian troops, Russian forces may be seeking to gain control of.pic.twitter.com/4z4EB40AMq

— Juan Hodl (@JuanGutiCA714) February 25, 2024

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So she said what I said she said and you are inferring a lot more than what was actually said. Thanks.

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She didn't, and you know it. If she was concerned with the research falling into Russian military hands, that research had military applications.

If those labs weren't bioweapons lab, Nuland would have simply answered "no" to Rubio's question about whether Ukraine had biological and chemical weapons. The reason she didn't is because she is under oath, she had to at least tell a partial truth.

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You think this because it confirms your prior assumptions. There's no actual evidence of it.

Also, even if it was true, so what? The US and Ukraine partnering on military weapons research doesn't justify starting a war.

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We've started a war on Iraq for that very pretext.

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Correct, and in Iran recently too. Both of those were bad decisions and Russia's war in Ukraine is also bad.

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The difference here is that Ukraine is right at Russia's border, had the largest standing army in Europe and is heavily armed, trained and financed by NATO whose designated enemy is Russia.

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sycasey said:

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cbbass1 said:

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After conquering the Donbass, the Ukrainian army was going to invade Russian territory, with the intention of getting Russia bogged down in an expensive conflict.

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By the way, I think this is also completely insane, basically taking Putin's most paranoid fears as gospel truth. Ukraine was not going to invade Russia, come on now.

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There are also no U.S. funded bioweapons labs in Ukraine and NATO and its allies didn't blow up the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

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Didn't they catch a small team of Ukrainians who attacked Nord Stream? I mean, I guess that would technically be US allies but it doesn't look like a coordinated effort.

Also, correct that there were no bioweapons labs. There were bio-research labs, which may be what you're confused about.

All of the stuff you are claiming is pretty much you 100% swallowing the Russian government's narrative on each of these topics, by the way. And yet people complain about me sharing propaganda!

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It appears this way because the Russian government is telling the truth.

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BWAAA-HA-HA-HAAAAAAA. Funniest thing I've ever read on this board.

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The existence of biolabs in Ukraine was confirmed by Rubio in a deposition with Victoria Nuland. She stated the U.S. was concerned that advancing Russian forces might try to gain control of those research materials, and that the U.S. was working with Ukrainians to prevent them from falling into the wrong hands, which confirms that the research conducted there was of a sensitive nature.

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Yes, bio-research labs. Many of your favorite conspiracy theorists have twisted this into thinking that these labs were bio-weapons labs, which is not confirmed.

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If those were "normal" bio research labs, Nuland wouldn't have expressed being worried about that research "falling into the wrong hands".

Marco Rubio: Does Ukraine 🇺🇦 have chemical or biological weapons?

Victoria Nuland: Uh… Ukraine has biological research facilities which we are now quite concerned Russian troops, Russian forces may be seeking to gain control of.pic.twitter.com/4z4EB40AMq

— Juan Hodl (@JuanGutiCA714) February 25, 2024

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So she said what I said she said and you are inferring a lot more than what was actually said. Thanks.

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She didn't, and you know it. If she was concerned with the research falling into Russian military hands, that research had military applications.

If those labs weren't bioweapons lab, Nuland would have simply answered "no" to Rubio's question about whether Ukraine had biological and chemical weapons. The reason she didn't is because she is under oath, she had to at least tell a partial truth.

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You think this because it confirms your prior assumptions. There's no actual evidence of it.

Also, even if it was true, so what? The US and Ukraine partnering on military weapons research doesn't justify starting a war.

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We've started a war on Iraq for that very pretext.

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Correct, and in Iran recently too. Both of those were bad decisions and Russia's war in Ukraine is also bad.

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The difference here is that Ukraine is right at Russia's border, had the largest standing army in Europe and is heavily armed, trained and financed by NATO whose designated enemy is Russia.

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Yes, and all of this military build-up only happened because Russia annexed Crimea and Ukraine figured they needed to arm themselves to the teeth as a way of discouraging further invasion. Can't say they were wrong about that.

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Cal88 said:

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bearister said:

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When Russia ultimately prevails in the Ukraine war, will it face a long and bloody insurgency or will it quell any such efforts with Lidice level pacification methods?

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Russia has occupied 20% of Ukraine for 4 years now, and there was no guerilla movement in those regions, because the locals are overwhelmingly pro-Russian. The Russians will not annex parts of Ukraine that are hostile to them, if the war goes on and the Russians keep advancing they would only annex a total of around 40% of Ukraine representing the majority Russian and Russophone areas in red below:

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The fact that the same color represents between 25% and 74% likely makes the map misleading. It is a silly grouping.

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