Supreme Court Votes 6 - 3 to Overturn Casey and Roe

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going4roses
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So rape and incest … no allowance for medical care ?
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tequila4kapp said:

I know I'm going to get hammered for this but they could start by not having unprotected sex.

Bigger picture, I predict federal legislative remedies. Dem's will change the rules to not allow filibuster and they will get something passed. It will be too extreme. Repubs - after taking back Congress in the fall - will pass changes. Biden will veto it. At some point in the future - maybe 15-20 years from now - the federal law will settle somewhere more consistent with the populace. Lives will be impacted until then.
You are right that someone has proposes a federal legislative remedy but you were pretty far off on how and why.

It appears that the GOP no longer has to pretend to believe in state's rights, so Lindsey Graham is proposing a federal ban (on top of, not in place of, existing state bans) on abortions after 15 weeks. I could see this being the eventual compromise position you were referring to above, but not if it leaves existing state-level restrictions in place.

Obviously this is going nowhere until at least 2024, but we can stop pretending that the GOP doesn't have an end goal of federal 50-state restrictions on abortions. It didn't take Graham very long to abandon his state's rights pretense. Of course, this will only hurt the GOP in the midterms so I can't say it's all bad.



I would also note that in his press conference he repeatedly mentioned that the progressives want to be "more like Iran" on abortion which is ridiculous as well as idiotic. Iran has passed a law to ban abortion and it proposing to apply the death penalty to it, as well as making it a crime to aid and abet. This is far more in line with GOP views than progressives. It's Handmaid's Tale stuff - Iran wants to expand their population and they see contraception and abortion as a barrier to that (similar to Gilead in Handmaid's Tale). If this sounds familiar, it's because it is - we hear very similar things from GOP politicians in the US. Graham wanted to use xenophobia to stir support for his dumb ban but all he did was point out that the GOP is really aligned with religious extremists in Iran.

On the other side of the ledger, there are still some people saying that they believe that this is a state's rights issue but some are "keeping an open mind." Safe to say, the notion of nationwide abortion ban is no longer the stuff of fantasy - there will be a number of senators that support this and it's difficult to say how long before this becomes a prevailing view in the GOP - could be next week, next year or never. I suspect it's within a few years.
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More women and children suffering at the hand of the theocracy. Hopefully the rule of the radical clerics on SCOTUS comes to an end sooner rather than later because we can do better than forcing birth on pre-teen rape victims so that demagogues can grandstand for zealots.

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Unit2Sucks said:

More women and children suffering at the hand of the theocracy. Hopefully the rule of the radical clerics on SCOTUS comes to an end sooner rather than later because we can do better than forcing birth on pre-teen rape victims so that demagogues can grandstand for zealots.




I think the SCOTUS made a big mistake, but let's not forget that these atrocities are preventable if the state legislatures get their heads out of their buttocks.
going4roses
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Hot arse mess !!!
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dimitrig said:

Unit2Sucks said:

More women and children suffering at the hand of the theocracy. Hopefully the rule of the radical clerics on SCOTUS comes to an end sooner rather than later because we can do better than forcing birth on pre-teen rape victims so that demagogues can grandstand for zealots.




I think the SCOTUS made a big mistake, but let's not forget that these atrocities are preventable if the state legislatures get their heads out of their buttocks.
As politicians of all stripes tend to do, state legislators and governments are pushing past the boundaries of their electoral mandate. I don't know why they can't see the past examples and learn that passing deeply controversial and unpopular laws will come back to bite them in the butt in future elections, but they do it over and over.
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ACB in her natural habitat - cracking jokes about anti forced birth protesters at a Federalist Society glam gala. I'm sure she was joined by all the other radical clerics at the event.

dajo9
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A big part of the reason the non-President party usually does well in midterms is because people get energized when they feel under attack. This year, the Supreme Court really did its part to make Democrats and Independents feel under attack. That feeling will continue.
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dajo9 said:

A big part of the reason the non-President party usually does well in midterms is because people get energized when they feel under attack. This year, the Supreme Court really did its part to make Democrats and Independents feel under attack. That feeling will continue.


Too bad those same people couldn't be bothered to vote for Hillary Clinton because they just didn't like her personality. Can you imagine if those three SC seats had all been nominated by Dems?


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Unit2Sucks said:

ACB in her natural habitat - cracking jokes about anti forced birth protesters at a Federalist Society glam gala. I'm sure she was joined by all the other radical clerics at the event.








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dimitrig said:

dajo9 said:

A big part of the reason the non-President party usually does well in midterms is because people get energized when they feel under attack. This year, the Supreme Court really did its part to make Democrats and Independents feel under attack. That feeling will continue.


Too bad those same people couldn't be bothered to vote for Hillary Clinton because they just didn't like her personality. Can you imagine if those three SC seats had all been nominated by Dems?



Trump asked during the 2016 campaign "what do
you have to lose?"

He, along with the complicit GOP and radical clerics in SCOTUS, have spent the last 6 years answering that question.
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Just another reminder that while they pretend to only care about preventing theoretical abortions that never happen in practice, they really want to empower extremists to criminalize all abortions.

Remember the 10 year old rape victim who had to get an out of state abortion because it was illegal in her sithole state? Turns out the sithole state she went to is now trying to discipline the doctor who performed the compassionate medical procedure.

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Forced birthers need to see what they are doing to people
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She should devote her energies to getting to a state where she can be healthy.
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Wow. What a shyte thing to write. A reminder of why I have you blocked. So many posts, so little (zero) value.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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AunBear89 said:

Wow. What a shyte thing to write. A reminder of why I have you blocked. So many posts, so little (zero) value.

Wow. Seriously?

If she was your daughter, would you like her to physically deteriorate?
or travel so she can get the medical care she needs?

If my kid was blocked, I'd drive or fly her to another state. Some laws may be bull-***** Doesn't mean we have to succumb under them.

My post was out of concern for her health.
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I guess this is more of that "short term" damage that the radical clerics have caused. Are there any conservatives out there who think Texas is doing it right?

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This past fall, when Lauren Miller of Dallas was 13-weeks pregnant with twins, she got horrible news. One of the twins had trisomy 18, a genetic abnormality that causes about 90% of fetuses to die before birth. The other twin was healthy.

She learned from a genetic counselor that continuing to carry both fetuses could put the healthy one at risk. She saw a doctor who specializes in high risk pregnancies who told her: "You can't do anything in Texas and I can't tell you anything further in Texas, but you need to get out of state."

That's exactly what she did. Miller traveled to Colorado and, at 15-weeks pregnant, she had a "selective reduction" procedure to help ensure her pregnancy with her healthy twin could continue.

When she returned to Dallas and continued her prenatal care, she found herself navigating silence around abortion. She wondered, if the ultrasound technician knew she'd traveled out of state for an abortion, could she get reported? "You don't know where anybody stands, so it feels like we're all kind of talking in code," Miller says.

What Miller did does not violate current abortion laws in Texas, legal experts say. But the fear among doctors and patients in the new legal landscape in Texas is extreme, to the point where as Miller found some doctors won't say the word "abortion" in the exam room.

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All because a few thousand people "weren't comfortable" voting for Hillary Clinton.

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Another awful story of a woman in Texas forced to endanger her life to carry a non-viable fetus to term because the christian theocrats in Texas demand it. Really tragic and entirely predictable. She even confirms how late-term abortions are incredibly difficult to get and unavailable to her given her circumstances. As I've maintained for years (and have stated multiple times in this thread) the conservative boogey-man of late-term abortions is just fear-mongering and completely unnecessary. It's part of the Motte and Bailey conservatives use to control women through abortion.

I won't post the details but they are horrific and if any GOPer wants to know the inhumane circumstances they are forcing women to endure, feel free to read.

As also predicted by many, this isn't just impacting people with unwanted pregnancies, it is going to make pregnancy much less safe in America and in particular in the red states that pretend to care about unborn children.




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Unit2Sucks said:

Another awful story of a woman in Texas forced to endanger her life to carry a non-viable fetus to term because the christian theocrats in Texas demand it. Really tragic and entirely predictable. She even confirms how late-term abortions are incredibly difficult to get and unavailable to her given her circumstances. As I've maintained for years (and have stated multiple times in this thread) the conservative boogey-man of late-term abortions is just fear-mongering and completely unnecessary. It's part of the Motte and Bailey conservatives use to control women through abortion.

I won't post the details but they are horrific and if any GOPer wants to know the inhumane circumstances they are forcing women to endure, feel free to read.

As also predicted by many, this isn't just impacting people with unwanted pregnancies, it is going to make pregnancy much less safe in America and in particular in the red states that pretend to care about unborn children.







Thank you for sharing these tragedies
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A Trump judge has overturned FDA approval of the abortion pill. What kind of people allow themselves to be subjugated to judicial dictatorship?

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F the fascists

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That Trump judge in Amarillo is a great example of many of the sins of our federal judiciary. For whatever reason (will get to this later), he is basically the only judge in his district. So when right wing nut jobs want to bring cases like this, they know if they bring them in Amarillo he is going to get the case (he takes 95% of the cases there). He is a naked partisan warrior and is far more activist than any "liberal" judge that anyone can name. While conservatives talk about how they don't want judges legislating from the bench, conservative warriors like this dude are exactly who they want and what Trump sought to do when reshaping the federal judiciary. If you want to know why "normal" conservatives supported Trump despite the fact that they knew he was a corrupt moron who hates his base and couldn't care less about America, it's because Trump was willing to appoint whatever radical clerics the federalist society demanded.

This judge is a diehard religious conservative who opposes LGBT rights and contraceptive rights. He has publicly referred to homosexuality as "disordered" and says even worse things about transgender people. Before his appointment he worked for a "religious liberty" law firm which was basically focused on furthering christian sharia in the US.

Our system should not be subject to this kind of blatant forum shopping but right now that's how it is. The DOJ has been trying to move cases but haven't had enough success. I suppose liberal groups could flood the court with a bunch of BS cases to counter the BS religious sharia cases but that hasn't happened. Resolving this blatant abuse of the federal judiciary should be a priority. Why it hasn't happened already I don't understand.

Here's just a few of the cases he's decided since he was appointed in 3+ years ago:
  • ordered reinstatement of Trump policy requiring asylum seekers to remain in Mexico (SCOTUS overruled)
  • ruled that Biden admin violated federal law by enforcing prohibition of discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity in the ACA
  • vacated protections for transgender workers enacted by Biden admin
  • set aside a longstanding federal program providing teens with confidential access to contraception
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My hope is that the young people of this country use the vote to take over the Executive and the House and are able to expand the Senate / States and use the power of popular will to defang the tyrannical courts and subject it to the will of the people with minority rights (real minorities - not the minority of the super rich landed class that the Senate and Court's have defended for the last 200+ years).
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The GOP has had awful margins with Millennial and Gen-Z voters and I don't see that changing as long as they remain on this path.
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sycasey said:

The GOP has had awful margins with Millennial and Gen-Z voters and I don't see that changing as long as they remain on this path.


I think it is too late to win them back. They could announce a Green New Deal and cynical voters won't believe them. I am not kidding. I don't think they can be won back no matter what.

More likely is that younger voters leave the Democratic Party for another party and less conservative Republicans join the Dems. I think the GOP will become as powerful as the Greens and Libertarians - if they are lucky and don't go the way of the Whigs.

Most of the GOP knows this, I think, which is why they keep trying to grab as much as they can on their way out regardless of whether it is good for their party or the nation.

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Some of them know. They have no solutions, but they know.

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sycasey said:

Some of them know. They have no solutions, but they know.




It's not because of indoctrination. If anything, it is conservatives that do all the indoctrination - at church and in private schools.

It is because young people are more educated than ever before but also more compassionate.

What conservatives call "indoctrination" the rest of us call an education. That doesn't necessarily even mean a formal education, although that it part of it. It just means people are more aware ("woke" if you will) about social justice issues, environmental issues, economic inequities, and so on.

What is ironic about this is that this environment of being inclusive, providing equal opportunities, and supporting the downtrodden is exactly what Christianity teaches. These violent gun-toting wealth accumulating racist fear mongers are not Christians.

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dimitrig said:

sycasey said:

Some of them know. They have no solutions, but they know.




It's not because of indoctrination. If anything, it is conservatives that do all the indoctrination - at church and in private schools.

It is because young people are more educated than ever before but also more compassionate.

What conservatives call "indoctrination" the rest of us call an education. That doesn't necessarily even mean a formal education, although that it part of it. It just means people are more aware ("woke" if you will) about social justice issues, environmental issues, economic inequities, and so on.

What is ironic about this is that this environment of being inclusive, providing equal opportunities, and supporting the downtrodden is exactly what Christianity teaches. These violent gun-toting wealth accumulating racist fear mongers are not Christians.



This whole thread is good, but here's a summary:



1. More educated generations aren't as susceptible to culture war arguments from the right, plus younger people are already used to the stuff that scares older people (gay/trans people, immigration, racial/religious diversity, etc.).

2. Coming of age during the financial crash and older generations hoarding all the wealth makes socialism sound pretty good.
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AOC is right

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Awesome and unexpected

Unit2Sucks
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Been a while since we updated this thread. I think it was in this thread where we discussed that the GOP and their radical clerics aren't just looking to roll back women's freedoms regarding their right to terminate pregnancies, they are looking to unwind a lot of freedoms we now take for granted.

Gay marriage is one.


And now contraception is increasingly under attack.



And of course, the trans obsession which is currently the number one attraction in the right wing culture war. Apparently the GOP thinks that Trump wasn't enough of an extremist to win a general election lol.

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Another good opinion piece on how the radical clerics on SCOTUS start with an outcome and then justify their way into it.

In the Bremerton school prayer case, it was pointed out that the controversy was moot (which Thomas always dissents on when it doesn't allow him to push his radical agenda) and in the Bruen gun control case, it was pointed out that Thomas' statement about there being no history of gun control laws before 1900 was based on wishes.

Bremerton:
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I wonder if Supreme Court justices ever feel embarrassed, like when a ruling they made turns out to be shaky or ends up making them look like fools.

Take the case of the Bremerton praying coach.

Ex-assistant Bremerton High football coach Joe Kennedy is back to his ex status once again, having quit his job after just one game despite being reinstated to it by order of the Supreme Court itself.

The case was never really about Bremerton, or the Knights football team or students. It was about a national conservative legal campaign to push more religious doctrine into the public sphere.

It worked, too. What really happened in Bremerton a public school coach holding prayer circles on the field with everyone from students to politicians was ignored by a high court that adopted a version made for a Christian TV movie instead. It was a "siren song of a deceitful narrative," as one lower court judge rightly called it, that portrayed the coach as a lone sentinel persecuted for holding "personal, private prayer."

If that's what he'd been doing, it wouldn't have caused any fuss in the first place.

More to today's point, though, is that the high court was also warned how this would all end. The justices were informed last year in a legal filing that despite all the pieties about faith and coaching, Kennedy had no real intention of coming back to Bremerton to his old job, which should have rendered the case moot.

"There is no reason to believe that [Kennedy] ever will return to Bremerton to live and work," the February 2022 filing said, noting that he'd relocated to Florida. "[Kennedy] would therefore seem to be unable to accept a position as, or fulfill the year-round responsibilities of, a Bremerton High School football coach."

Kennedy's outraged lawyers told the justices this was a character attack. He was so devoted to coaching he'd be there on a day's notice.

"He is champing at the bit to resume the job he loves coaching high school athletes on the football field for BHS," they wrote. "It is really that simple."

The court went with simple. But Kennedy didn't take his job back when it was offered last year after the court ruling, and now this year is gone after only a game. He called it a "fine bow" on top of winning his case.
Bruen:
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Last year, four days before the Kennedy ruling, the court struck a big blow against gun control by throwing out a New York law requiring a license to carry concealed weapons in public. Justice Clarence Thomas wrote the opinion, called Bruen, which argued that attempts at modern gun regulation are unconstitutional if they don't square with American historical gun traditions before 1900.

Thomas' own history review found there wasn't much significant gun regulation back in the day. But a team of volunteer researchers, from the gun control group Moms Demand Action, has been going around unearthing old gun laws from dusty city and state archives, suggesting Thomas was incomplete at best, maybe to the point of being wrong.
Here's what the moms found:
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A representative sampling: In the 19th century, the concealed carry of firearms was expressly forbidden in Memphis, Tennessee; Jersey City, Hoboken, and Plainfield, New Jersey; Chicago, Illinois; New Orleans, Louisiana; Olympia and Wilbur, Washington; and Denver, Colorado. More than 50 local governments outlawed the firing of any weapon within city limits. About 30 localities restricted or outlawed the storage of gunpowder, including Santa Ana. A dozen localities limited, heavily taxed, or banned shooting ranges. (In 2017, a federal appeals court struck down a Chicago law that restrictedbut did not outlawshooting ranges within the city, finding no "history and legal tradition" to support it.) More jurisdictions banned guns in private establishments; for instance, an 1817 ordinance in New Orleans barred citizens from carrying weapons into a "public ball-room." (In January, a federal judge blocked a New Jersey law that banned guns in bars, restaurants, and entertainment venues, finding that it was not supported by "the nation's historical tradition.")

These findings are the result of about one year's work by 20 volunteers. The numbers increase significantly when laws from early decades of the 1900s are included. In Bruen, however, Justice Thomas declared that all laws enacted after 1900 are not constitutionally relevant, because they do not "provide insight into the meaning of the Second Amendment."

This arbitrary cutoff hints at a broader problem for Everytown's project: It is unclear whether judges who avidly support a sweeping right to bear arms will care about evidence that contradicts their beliefs.

Bottom line, both sides have made it clear they support a responsive constitution. The radical conservatives legislating from the bench just pretend that their constitution is rooted in (cherry-picked) history while delivering opinions that make the billionaires that Leonard Leo paired them with very happy.

To be clear, it's certainly within their right to do so - SCOTUS is unaccounable and uncontrollable (unless you are the highest bidder). But please spare us the pretense about staying true to the words of the constitution or any of that non-sense. The modern GOP has proven over and over that norms are only something they point to when they don't have the power to get what they want.

And it's no wonder that SCOTUS has lost all credibility when we see more and more decisions like these two.
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Young people hate the Republican Party
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dajo9 said:

Young people hate the Republican Party
https://www.threads.net/@newsbreakinglive/post/CzXf90AxL-r/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
Obviously 80% of America's young people are baby killers, but don't worry, the reeducation camps will fix that.
 
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