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okaydo said:

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I think conservatives leaked it to blunt the impact of the ruling...When it's leaked, it's not official so there isn't as much outrage (even though there was outrage). And when it becomes official, you knew it was coming, so there isn't as much outrage as there would've been if this wasn't expected.

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Maybe but only if you ignored the fact that legislation was introduced yesterday by Republicans to fine any leaker of a SCOTUS decision in addition to a 10 year prison term. Never mind there have been protests outside of conservative justices' homes and an assassination attempt.

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The point of the leak was to ensure that Roe v. Wade passed and to make sure Kavanagh or another conservative didn't back down.

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AunBear89 said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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DiabloWags said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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I know I'm going to get hammered for this but they could start by not having unprotected sex.

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Who's they?
Black Americans?
Or the 7500 Americans in general in Alabama?

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In general "they" are all the human beings who have unprotected sex.

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So, if someone rapes your daughter and she gets pregnant as a result, you'll just say "You shouldn't have had unprotected sex…"

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okaydo said:

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Ginsburg was on the court for 20 years before the whole "Notorious R.B.G." thing started. (The Notorious R.B.G. book was released in 2015 and suddenly she became this iconic figure for women. But the Notorious R.B.G thing was a backlash to people in 2013 and 2014 calling on her to step down before the Dems lost the Senate in 2014...so Ginsburg's legacy is Amy Comey Barrett and this ruling.

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Even the Late Ruth Bader Ginsburg Knew Roe v. Wade Was Hot Garbage https://t.co/xFDyEPnQNy

— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) May 6, 2022

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tequila4kapp said:

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DiabloWags said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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DiabloWags said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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I know I'm going to get hammered for this but they could start by not having unprotected sex.

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Who's they?
Black Americans?
Or the 7500 Americans in general in Alabama?

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In general "they" are all the human beings who have unprotected sex.

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But what if the Supreme Court bans contraception?
What if insurance companies and state insurance like Medicaid stop paying for contraceptives?
What if access is limited or denied?

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Then don't have sex unless you are willing to live with the consequences???

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Seriously dude?

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tequila4kapp said:

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okaydo said:

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BearForce2 said:

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okaydo said:

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I think conservatives leaked it to blunt the impact of the ruling...When it's leaked, it's not official so there isn't as much outrage (even though there was outrage). And when it becomes official, you knew it was coming, so there isn't as much outrage as there would've been if this wasn't expected.

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Maybe but only if you ignored the fact that legislation was introduced yesterday by Republicans to fine any leaker of a SCOTUS decision in addition to a 10 year prison term. Never mind there have been protests outside of conservative justices' homes and an assassination attempt.

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The point of the leak was to ensure that Roe v. Wade passed and to make sure Kavanagh or another conservative didn't back down.

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Many/most people view it exactly the opposite - it was done by someone on the left to rally people to threaten justice and intimidate them into changing.

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Coming back to this: the WSJ editorial board explicitly warned a week ago that Roberts was trying to do this https://t.co/oZcSZyjRkY https://t.co/qbGyNtWMmd

— Irin Carmon (@irin) May 3, 2022

This WSJ editorial from last week — describing the ferocious campaign underway to sway a conservative justices to the pro-Roe side, appears rather prescient in retrospect https://t.co/xDsOCoVj3a

— Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) May 4, 2022

This is also another, heretofore rare Supreme Court leak, and it’s notable that this time not only are conservatives leaking, they’re allowing reporters to say they’re the ones leaking. pic.twitter.com/plmiXdNCw0

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) May 8, 2022

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We have a radical right-wing Court well out of step with the mainstream of the American public, and there can be no doubt about this now.

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I disagree. We have a SCOTUS a with a different approach to interpreting the Constitution. It's just as easy - arguably more valid - to say the activist court starting with Warren (?) - was the aberration, and our current state is a return to a more normal approach.

I would argue either judicial approach (activist vs originalist) is entirely valid.

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Do you believe it to be simply random and coincidental that the "different approach to interpreting the constitution" that this tRump packed court has always ends up aligning 100% with the same political philosophy?

Exactly how f@ucking stupid do you think the people are that you are conversing with here?

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BearForce2 said:

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bearister said:

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sycasey said:

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We have a radical right-wing Court well out of step with the mainstream of the American public, and there can be no doubt about this now.

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I disagree. We have a SCOTUS a with a different approach to interpreting the Constitution. It's just as easy - arguably more valid - to say the activist court starting with Warren (?) - was the aberration, and our current state is a return to a more normal approach.

I would argue either judicial approach (activist vs originalist) is entirely valid.

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Do you believe it to be simply random and coincidental that the "different approach to interpreting the constitution" that this tRump packed court has always ends up aligning 100% with the same political philosophy?

Exactly how f@ucking stupid do you think the people are that you are conversing with here?

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You should see the next one coming in, she said she doesn't even know what a woman is.

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Can you imagine if Hillary had won the election? We'd still have faith in government, elections, and the courts. Instead, we have a deeply divided nation pitting neighbor against neighbor.

What a sad day.

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You can blame all of those elite progressives and Bernie supporters who stupidly failed their Party and didnt get off the couch on voting day for Hillary not winning in 2016. And for what it's worth, 1 in 10 Bernie supporters voted for Trump.

1 In 10 Bernie Sanders Supporters Ended Up Voting For Trump : NPR

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First and foremost we can blame Republicans and conservatives who support all this nonsense

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That may be true.
Theyre the one's that support the nonsense.
But the fact of the matter is that elitist progressives put our Country in this position in the first place.

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okaydo said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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okaydo said:

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The point of the leak was to ensure that Roe v. Wade passed and to make sure Kavanagh or another conservative didn't back down.

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Many/most people view it exactly the opposite - it was done by someone on the left to rally people to threaten justice and intimidate them into changing.

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1. The Wall Street Journal published this editorial on Tuesday, April 26, warning that Justice Roberts was trying to peel off a vote from overturning Roe v. Wade.

Less than a week later, the opinion was leaked signaling that the 5 votes were there. What a coincidence!

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The very concept of BF2 having a daughter (or son) sends shivers of horror up and down my spine.

But then I realize that for him to have a child would require a woman to agree to have sex with him, so . . .

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I don't think Roberts overruled Casey, but did give a thumbs-up to allowing the law in question. At this juncture, it is meaningless point of law.

The no exceptions part is rather disturbing. Normally, with the price of gas at whatever, no one who would vote GOP cares that much. Women with means will just go to another state, and the really poor who want an abortion don't vote GOP much. But the health risk to the mother may have to be an immediate decision. I guess doctors will do what they need to do to save the mom and doctor the paperwork to make it work. You would think the rights of someone to live would be rather fundamental.

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This ruling is what you voted for in 2016. One would think an attorney would have known the lives of women were at stake.

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Agreed 100%

And Furd appears to be totally unaware of states like Mississippi where legislators have "trigger laws" on the books in which all abortions will be banned with the exception of rape (incest is "ok"). Never mind that the rape exception would require criminal charges to be filed, which is clearly problematic in and of itself. And even if found guilty of a rape charge enabling a woman to receive an abortion, there wont be any clinics around to perform that abortion.

The 12 other states with some form of trigger law are Arkansas, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah and Wyoming.

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Vandalus said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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I don't think Roberts overruled Casey, but did give a thumbs-up to allowing the law in question. At this juncture, it is meaningless point of law.

The no exceptions part is rather disturbing. Normally, with the price of gas at whatever, no one who would vote GOP cares that much. Women with means will just go to another state, and the really poor who want an abortion don't vote GOP much. But the health risk to the mother may have to be an immediate decision. I guess doctors will do what they need to do to save the mom and doctor the paperwork to make it work. You would think the rights of someone to live would be rather fundamental.

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This ruling is what you voted for in 2016. One would think an attorney would have known the lives of women were at stake.

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Agreed 100%

And Furd appears to be totally unaware of states like Mississippi where legislators have "trigger laws" on the books in which all abortions will be banned with the exception of rape (incest is "ok"). Never mind that the rape exception would require criminal charges to be filed, which is clearly problematic in and of itself. And even if found guilty of a rape charge enabling a woman to receive an abortion, there wont be any clinics around to perform that abortion.

The 12 other states with some form of trigger law are Arkansas, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah and Wyoming.

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As I understand it, all doctors go thru OBGYN rounds and thus are generally qualified to perform an abortion. I don't want to speak out of turn for the doctors in the room, but I suspect any general surgeon at your local ER is competent to perform an abortion if the facts so dictated that the life of mom was in danger and it was needed.

The idea of an "abortion clinic" was born out of the need for those services because the hospitals where doctors work are usually conservative, and thus to perform elective abortions you would need privileges to do the procedure. Since they were denied privileges, doctors who were interested in performing abortions formed practice groups/clinics that had the appropriate operative facilities to do the procedure.

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juarezbear said:

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Personally, I blame the Republicans.

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Hillary shares a lot of the blame herself for largely ignoring the Rust Belt.
States that had been part of the traditional "blue wall".

Even her own husband, one of the greatest political strategists of all-time, was highly critical of her and her campaign managers who largely ignored and paid little attention to Michigan and Wisconsin.

To me, she was totally out of touch with the very real angst and frustration by blue collar workers in those States who had been passed by during the recovery from the Great Recession.

The Rustbelt States Hillary Clinton Neglected Led to Her Defeat - The Atlantic

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Agree with you here. I distinctly remember late in the race when Hillary was at a huge fundraiser party in NY and Trump was in Michigan and Wisconsin. He has much better strategists. Hillary thought of it as n entitlement. Trump does t give a **** about his base - he simply recognized that the white working class felt abmdones and ignored and like the evil, devious mother****** he is, exploited them for all they're worth. Do you think he is sincerely religious??! What a nightmare we've been left with.

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Vandalus said:

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The idea of an "abortion clinic" was born out of the need for those services because the hospitals where doctors work are usually conservative, and thus to perform elective abortions you would need privileges to do the procedure. Since they were denied privileges, doctors who were interested in performing abortions formed practice groups/clinics that had the appropriate operative facilities to do the procedure.

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bearister said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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sycasey said:

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We have a radical right-wing Court well out of step with the mainstream of the American public, and there can be no doubt about this now.

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I disagree. We have a SCOTUS a with a different approach to interpreting the Constitution. It's just as easy - arguably more valid - to say the activist court starting with Warren (?) - was the aberration, and our current state is a return to a more normal approach.

I would argue either judicial approach (activist vs originalist) is entirely valid.

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Do you believe it to be simply random and coincidental that the "different approach to interpreting the constitution" by this tRump packed court always ends up aligning 100% with the same political philosophy?

Exactly how f@ucking stupid do you think the people are that you are conversing with here?

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bearister said:

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Juries do the same thing. You can provide them with all the jury instructions in the world but they are going to govern their decision by what they think is right and wrong.

Most of the time they get it right…and sometimes they have an agenda and they reach a verdict that does not comply with what justice dictates.

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juarezbear said:

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juarezbear said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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DiabloWags said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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DiabloWags said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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I know I'm going to get hammered for this but they could start by not having unprotected sex.

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Who's they?
Black Americans?
Or the 7500 Americans in general in Alabama?

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In general "they" are all the human beings who have unprotected sex.

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But what if the Supreme Court bans contraception?
What if insurance companies and state insurance like Medicaid stop paying for contraceptives?
What if access is limited or denied?

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Then don't have sex unless you are willing to live with the consequences???

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Seriously dude?

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How else are babies made?

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If that's your end game…basically that abortion under any circumstance is immoral or murder, then there's nothing to discuss. If you had a daughter who was raped or a victim of incest, would she also be forced to carry the baby to full term? While we're at it, how do you feel about gay rights - specifically same sex marriage? Or is that also a result of a lack of self-control or hormones gone wild.

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In case you want a glimpse at the demonic mindset on display at the Supreme Court today. pic.twitter.com/Jkine2omyv

— Christopher Bedford (@CBedfordDC) June 24, 2022