Supreme Court Votes 6 - 3 to Overturn Casey and Roe

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12:17p, 6/24/22
iI'll be damned. Neither Kavanaugh nor Barrett caved to the bloodthirsty mob. Roberts tries to have it both ways, as usual.






Libs and lefties.......Chill!!!!!! Roe was unconstitutional 49 years ago......Sad that it took 49 years to officially say so.

Now, questions concerning abortion will be left to the States, just like God and the founding fathers intended. People will actually get to vote on the issue...Imagine that!!!!People voting on a issue!!!!!what will they think of next?????
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In reply to DiabloWags • 12:21p, 6/24/22
DiabloWags said:
dimitrig said:

Can you imagine if Hillary had won the election? We'd still have faith in government, elections, and the courts. Instead, we have a deeply divided nation pitting neighbor against neighbor.

What a sad day.
You can blame all of those elite progressives and Bernie supporters who stupidly failed their Party and didnt get off the couch on voting day for Hillary not winning in 2016. And for what it's worth, 1 in 10 Bernie supporters voted for Trump.

1 In 10 Bernie Sanders Supporters Ended Up Voting For Trump : NPR
First and foremost we can blame Republicans and conservatives who support all this nonsense
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In reply to DiabloWags • 12:23p, 6/24/22
DiabloWags said:
sycasey said:
MinotStateBeav said:
DiabloWags said:
Wonder what happens to in vitro fertilization (IVF)
Is that now illegal because of the eggs that are not used that get disposed off (killed)?

65% of voters questioned in a Fox News National Poll conducted last September said that they wanted to keep in place Roe, which legalized abortion nationwide.

Most Americans favor keeping Roe v. Wade: polling | Fox News

Maybe you can use your brain once and realize the rules are governed by the states now.

Unless they involve gun control. Then the Court will strike those down.

States rights for me, not for thee.

Bingo.
Minot State Beav sure walked right into "that" one.
Shocker.
what did I walk into? The obvious protection of the 2nd amendment of our constitution. "Shall Not Be Infringed".
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In reply to dajo9 • 12:23p, 6/24/22
dajo9 said:
DiabloWags said:
dimitrig said:

Can you imagine if Hillary had won the election? We'd still have faith in government, elections, and the courts. Instead, we have a deeply divided nation pitting neighbor against neighbor.

What a sad day.
You can blame all of those elite progressives and Bernie supporters who stupidly failed their Party and didnt get off the couch on voting day for Hillary not winning in 2016. And for what it's worth, 1 in 10 Bernie supporters voted for Trump.

1 In 10 Bernie Sanders Supporters Ended Up Voting For Trump : NPR
First and foremost we can blame Republicans and conservatives who support all this nonsense

That may be true.
Theyre the one's that support the nonsense.
But the fact of the matter is that elitist progressives put our Country in this position in the first place.
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12:24p, 6/24/22
Where is the fund for women who need to travel for abortions?

I'm in
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In reply to MinotStateBeav • 12:24p, 6/24/22
MinotStateBeav said:
DiabloWags said:
sycasey said:
MinotStateBeav said:

Maybe you can use your brain once and realize the rules are governed by the states now.

Unless they involve gun control. Then the Court will strike those down.

States rights for me, not for thee.

MinotStateBeav said:
what did I walk into? The obvious protection of the 2nd amendment of our constitution. "Shall Not Be Infringed".
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In reply to DiabloWags • 12:25p, 6/24/22
DiabloWags said:
MinotStateBeav said:
DiabloWags said:
sycasey said:
MinotStateBeav said:

Maybe you can use your brain once and realize the rules are governed by the states now.

Unless they involve gun control. Then the Court will strike those down.

States rights for me, not for thee.

what did I walk into? The obvious protection of the 2nd amendment of our constitution. "Shall Not Be Infringed".
Good come back.
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In reply to MinotStateBeav • 12:26p, 6/24/22
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Good come back.
Your logic is as twisted as ever.
So much for the rules are governed by the states now.

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In reply to DiabloWags • 12:28p, 6/24/22
DiabloWags said:
sycasey said:
DiabloWags said:
sycasey said:

Personally, I blame the Republicans.

Hillary shares a lot of the blame herself for largely ignoring the Rust Belt.
States that had been part of the traditional "blue wall".

Even her own husband, one of the greatest political strategists of all-time, was highly critical of her and her campaign managers who largely ignored and paid little attention to Michigan and Wisconsin.
Once again: Republicans did this. Republicans are at fault.

Democrats and others on the left could have done better? Sure. But they are much further down the blame list. Republicans did this.

I strongly disagree.

For the simple fact that states like Wisconsin and Michigan were blue collar Democratic Party strongholds.
Same for Pennsylvania. Those 3 states totaled 46 electoral college votes and swung the ENTIRE 2016 ELECTION.
These were all states that Obama had won handily in 2012.
But Hillary only gave PA the time of day.

Wisconsin: Obama 52.8% to 46.1%
Michigan: Obama 54.3% to 44.8%
Pennsylvania: Obama 52.0% to 46.8%

These were states that were ALREADY Democrat.
They werent Republican strongholds.
These are good arguments for why the 2016 election was lost. They are not good arguments for why Roe got overturned. 2016 was only so consequential because SENATE REPUBLICANS went way outside of established norms and refused to let Obama fill a SCOTUS seat. If that doesn't happen, this doesn't happen.

Again: Republicans did this.
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In reply to MinotStateBeav • 12:29p, 6/24/22
MinotStateBeav said:
DiabloWags said:
sycasey said:
MinotStateBeav said:
DiabloWags said:
Wonder what happens to in vitro fertilization (IVF)
Is that now illegal because of the eggs that are not used that get disposed off (killed)?

65% of voters questioned in a Fox News National Poll conducted last September said that they wanted to keep in place Roe, which legalized abortion nationwide.

Most Americans favor keeping Roe v. Wade: polling | Fox News

Maybe you can use your brain once and realize the rules are governed by the states now.

Unless they involve gun control. Then the Court will strike those down.

States rights for me, not for thee.

Bingo.
Minot State Beav sure walked right into "that" one.
Shocker.
what did I walk into? The obvious protection of the 2nd amendment of our constitution. "Shall Not Be Infringed".
That New York law was around for decades before this Court struck it down.

Radical right-wing indeed.
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In reply to sycasey • 12:35p, 6/24/22
sycasey said:
MinotStateBeav said:
DiabloWags said:
sycasey said:
MinotStateBeav said:
DiabloWags said:
Wonder what happens to in vitro fertilization (IVF)
Is that now illegal because of the eggs that are not used that get disposed off (killed)?

65% of voters questioned in a Fox News National Poll conducted last September said that they wanted to keep in place Roe, which legalized abortion nationwide.

Most Americans favor keeping Roe v. Wade: polling | Fox News

Maybe you can use your brain once and realize the rules are governed by the states now.

Unless they involve gun control. Then the Court will strike those down.

States rights for me, not for thee.

Bingo.
Minot State Beav sure walked right into "that" one.
Shocker.
what did I walk into? The obvious protection of the 2nd amendment of our constitution. "Shall Not Be Infringed".
That New York law was around for decades before this Court struck it down.

Radical right-wing indeed.
The constitution isn't bound by state laws, they're rights all americans have.
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In reply to sycasey • 12:35p, 6/24/22
sycasey said:
MinotStateBeav said:


what did I walk into? The obvious protection of the 2nd amendment of our constitution. "Shall Not Be Infringed".
That New York law was around for decades before this Court struck it down.

Radical right-wing indeed.

It's mind-boggling that he's unable to see this.
NY's law had been in place since 1913.

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In reply to MinotStateBeav • 12:39p, 6/24/22
MinotStateBeav said:
sycasey said:
MinotStateBeav said:
DiabloWags said:
sycasey said:
MinotStateBeav said:
DiabloWags said:
Wonder what happens to in vitro fertilization (IVF)
Is that now illegal because of the eggs that are not used that get disposed off (killed)?

65% of voters questioned in a Fox News National Poll conducted last September said that they wanted to keep in place Roe, which legalized abortion nationwide.

Most Americans favor keeping Roe v. Wade: polling | Fox News

Maybe you can use your brain once and realize the rules are governed by the states now.

Unless they involve gun control. Then the Court will strike those down.

States rights for me, not for thee.

Bingo.
Minot State Beav sure walked right into "that" one.
Shocker.
what did I walk into? The obvious protection of the 2nd amendment of our constitution. "Shall Not Be Infringed".
That New York law was around for decades before this Court struck it down.

Radical right-wing indeed.
The constitution isn't bound by state laws, they're rights all americans have.
And this SCOTUS has decided which ones count and which ones don't, based on radical right-wing ideology.
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12:39p, 6/24/22
For the people sitting way in the baaaaaaaaack . . .

Second Amendment

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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In reply to DiabloWags • 12:40p, 6/24/22
I know I'm going to get hammered for this but they could start by not having unprotected sex.

Bigger picture, I predict federal legislative remedies. Dem's will change the rules to not allow filibuster and they will get something passed. It will be too extreme. Repubs - after taking back Congress in the fall - will pass changes. Biden will veto it. At some point in the future - maybe 15-20 years from now - the federal law will settle somewhere more consistent with the populace. Lives will be impacted until then.
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In reply to helltopay1 • 12:41p, 6/24/22
Guns have more rights than women in the good ol USA.
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In reply to sycasey • 12:41p, 6/24/22
sycasey said:

And this SCOTUS has decided which ones count and which ones don't, based on radical right-wing ideology.

Yup, on the one hand they say that Abortion isnt mentioned in the Constitution.
But somehow "muskets" have turned into AR-15's.

Never mind that in a 1955 memo, Jack Basil, the NRA's constitutional authority, wrote, "From all the direct and indirect evidence, the Second Amendment appears to apply to a collective, not an individual, right to bear arms."
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 12:42p, 6/24/22
tequila4kapp said:
I know I'm going to get hammered for this but they could start by not having unprotected sex.

Who's they?
Black Americans?
Or the 7500 Americans in general in Alabama?

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In reply to tequila4kapp • 12:47p, 6/24/22
tequila4kapp said:
I know I'm going to get hammered for this but they could start by not having unprotected sex.

Bigger picture, I predict federal legislative remedies. Dem's will change the rules to not allow filibuster and they will get something passed. It will be too extreme. Repubs - after taking back Congress in the fall - will pass changes. Biden will veto it. At some point in the future - maybe 15-20 years from now - the federal law will settle somewhere more consistent with the populace. Lives will be impacted until then.

What if the woman is forced to have sex and forced to have sex without contraception?

What if the Supreme Court bans contraception?

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In reply to DiabloWags • 12:47p, 6/24/22
DiabloWags said:
tequila4kapp said:
I know I'm going to get hammered for this but they could start by not having unprotected sex.
Who's they?
Black Americans?
Or the 7500 Americans in general in Alabama?
In general "they" are all the human beings who have unprotected sex.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 12:49p, 6/24/22
tequila4kapp said:
DiabloWags said:
tequila4kapp said:
I know I'm going to get hammered for this but they could start by not having unprotected sex.
Who's they?
Black Americans?
Or the 7500 Americans in general in Alabama?
In general "they" are all the human beings who have unprotected sex.

But what if the Supreme Court bans contraception?
What if insurance companies and state insurance like Medicaid stop paying for contraceptives?
What if access is limited or denied?

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In reply to Boot • 12:51p, 6/24/22
Boot said:
Guns have more rights than women in the good ol USA.
You may want to consider transitioning into a gun to identify as one.
The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 12:51p, 6/24/22
tequila4kapp said:
I know I'm going to get hammered for this but they could start by not having unprotected sex.

Republicans also want to do away with contraception and sex education.



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In reply to okaydo • 12:52p, 6/24/22
okaydo said:
tequila4kapp said:
I know I'm going to get hammered for this but they could start by not having unprotected sex.

Bigger picture, I predict federal legislative remedies. Dem's will change the rules to not allow filibuster and they will get something passed. It will be too extreme. Repubs - after taking back Congress in the fall - will pass changes. Biden will veto it. At some point in the future - maybe 15-20 years from now - the federal law will settle somewhere more consistent with the populace. Lives will be impacted until then.

What if the woman is forced to have sex and forced to have sex without contraception?

What if the Supreme Court bans contraception?



The Supreme Court does not have the authority to ban contraception.
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In reply to dimitrig • 12:55p, 6/24/22
dimitrig said:
tequila4kapp said:
I know I'm going to get hammered for this but they could start by not having unprotected sex.

Republicans also want to do away with contraception and sex education.

Did you miss out on drag queen strip shows when you were a kid?
The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
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In reply to BearForce2 • 12:55p, 6/24/22
BearForce2 said:
dimitrig said:
tequila4kapp said:
I know I'm going to get hammered for this but they could start by not having unprotected sex.

Republicans also want to do away with contraception and sex education.

Did you miss out on drag queen strip shows when you were a kid?

No, I starred in them.

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In reply to dimitrig • 12:56p, 6/24/22
dimitrig said:
tequila4kapp said:
I know I'm going to get hammered for this but they could start by not having unprotected sex.

Republicans also want to do away with contraception and sex education.





Yup, notice the date of this article:
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/18/texas-gop-platform-gender-sexuality-preborn/



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In reply to tequila4kapp • 12:57p, 6/24/22
Thomas was the one who noted revisiting other substantive due process case precedents not Roberts
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In reply to okaydo • 12:57p, 6/24/22
okaydo said:
tequila4kapp said:
I know I'm going to get hammered for this but they could start by not having unprotected sex.

Bigger picture, I predict federal legislative remedies. Dem's will change the rules to not allow filibuster and they will get something passed. It will be too extreme. Repubs - after taking back Congress in the fall - will pass changes. Biden will veto it. At some point in the future - maybe 15-20 years from now - the federal law will settle somewhere more consistent with the populace. Lives will be impacted until then.
What if the woman is forced to have sex and forced to have sex without contraception?

What if the Supreme Court bans contraception?

Re unprotected sex....I am very troubled the current Mississippi law doesn't account for rape or incest. I hope for a future where even the Rational Basis standard handles rape, incest, restrictions before a women could reasonably know she is pregnant, etc. in a sane way.

Re the legal path forward...I'm too far removed from law school; Substantive Due Process is such a basic principle of Constitutional law that I need time to process and wrap my head around Thomas' desire to get rid of it; it is hard for me to imagine that happening. I think the Dissent's handling of the potential contraception ban is very fair. (I would say there are some elements of life that are so established that even the smartest legal opinion - even if hypothetically 100% correct - just won't work to reverse it, so I do not see this happening)
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In reply to oski003 • 12:59p, 6/24/22
oski003 said:


The Supreme Court does not have the authority to ban contraception.
Try again.
Griswold vs Connecticut .... and Clarence Thomas' opinion to get rid of Substantive Due Process.




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In reply to okaydo • 12:59p, 6/24/22
okaydo said:
dimitrig said:
tequila4kapp said:
I know I'm going to get hammered for this but they could start by not having unprotected sex.

Republicans also want to do away with contraception and sex education.





Yup, notice the date of this article:
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/18/texas-gop-platform-gender-sexuality-preborn/




I can't believe this woman said:

"Schools aren't the social educators of our kids."

Schools (along with parents and churches) are IMPORTANT social educators of our kids.

In kindergarten we all learned about sharing, waiting our turn to speak, listening to authority figures, and helping others.

Well, I guess some of us did, anyway.




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In reply to dimitrig • 12:59p, 6/24/22
dimitrig said:
BearForce2 said:
dimitrig said:
tequila4kapp said:
I know I'm going to get hammered for this but they could start by not having unprotected sex.

Republicans also want to do away with contraception and sex education.

Did you miss out on drag queen strip shows when you were a kid?

No, I starred in them.

LOL!
The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
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In reply to DiabloWags • 1:01p, 6/24/22
DiabloWags said:
oski003 said:


The Supreme Court does not have the authority to ban contraception.
Try again.
Griswold vs Connecticut .... and Clarence Thomas' opinion.



What in there gives the Supreme Court the ability to ban contraception?
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