White women whose husbands went down to the Capitol as traitors and committed acts of domestic terrorism on January 6th are complaining they now have to go to work and support their families.
— chris evans (@notcapnamerica) April 14, 2023
Meanwhile there were actual laws on the books threatening to JAIL Black women for… pic.twitter.com/zDQBVdqlo4
KANSAS CITY: “Ralph Yarl (16, Black) shot twice by a white man after accidentally ringing the doorbell of the wrong home attempting to pick up his sibling… shot in the head through the glass door, then, bleeding out on the ground, shot him again…”https://t.co/zJJosLRo7w pic.twitter.com/uZKf3x0Fa8
— The Tennessee Holler (@TheTNHoller) April 16, 2023
Jacksonville, Florida sheriff’s officers stripped a 45-year-old man on a public road in view of his aunt & others over an alleged $20 drug deal.
— philip lewis (@Phil_Lewis_) April 17, 2023
The police found no drugs, but still arrested him & left the strip search out of the arrest report https://t.co/NPXk2WSyGT
Understand the agenda for destruction of black family and neighborhood. By rich white men. This taken place all over in America. The anti-black philosopher in the name of white capitalism. pic.twitter.com/BXIDtP5T4p
— Black diaspora Voice. (@BlackdiasporaV1) May 2, 2023
Come through, Ms. Ma’am pic.twitter.com/kotZ8jk80O
— ♍️Virgo♍️ (@Rude95Virgo) May 3, 2023
I'm not Black enough to be shot? pic.twitter.com/2DUQZPGQLc
— Kenny Akers (@KeneAkers) May 7, 2023
going4roses said:
I'm happy it's all jokes and humor for you
Thanks for proving the point why it's necessary
#2 In 2011, just 35% of white liberals thought racism in the United States was “a big problem,” according to national polling.
— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) May 6, 2023
By 2015, this figure had ballooned to 61% and further still to 77% in 2017. pic.twitter.com/qTBCQeBU1D
Yeah, it couldn't have been due to some purported increase in violent protests, white supremacy groups, strident political speech and politically motivated actions to restrict the rights of "those" people.BearHunter said:#2 In 2011, just 35% of white liberals thought racism in the United States was “a big problem,” according to national polling.
— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) May 6, 2023
By 2015, this figure had ballooned to 61% and further still to 77% in 2017. pic.twitter.com/qTBCQeBU1D
It has got to be the media that's largely to blame for fueling and fanning the flames of racial discord. The universities don't help either.
going4roses said:
That has absolutely nothing to do with nothing
DiabloWags said:going4roses said:
I'm happy it's all jokes and humor for you
Thanks for proving the point why it's necessary
I dont believe any one here in this forum "jokes" about slavery or racism.
But my question for you, is how does repeatedly posting about it on a non-descript message board that only a dozen or so active participants read, moves the needle for you?
How do your repeated posts about this topic improve your life for the better?
Eastern Oregon Bear said:Yeah, it couldn't have been due to some purported increase in violent protests, white supremacy groups, strident political speech and politically motivated actions to restrict the rights of "those" people.BearHunter said:#2 In 2011, just 35% of white liberals thought racism in the United States was “a big problem,” according to national polling.
— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) May 6, 2023
By 2015, this figure had ballooned to 61% and further still to 77% in 2017. pic.twitter.com/qTBCQeBU1D
It has got to be the media that's largely to blame for fueling and fanning the flames of racial discord. The universities don't help either.
Cool story.going4roses said:DiabloWags said:going4roses said:
I'm happy it's all jokes and humor for you
Thanks for proving the point why it's necessary
I dont believe any one here in this forum "jokes" about slavery or racism.
But my question for you, is how does repeatedly posting about it on a non-descript message board that only a dozen or so active participants read, moves the needle for you?
How do your repeated posts about this topic improve your life for the better?
Why are you so concerned? Why are you so angry? Why does it matter when you don't agree/understand/possess the bandwidth to comprehend issues because they don't effect you?
Help me understand this.Eastern Oregon Bear said:Yeah, it couldn't have been due to some purported increase in violent protests, white supremacy groups, strident political speech and politically motivated actions to restrict the rights of "those" people.BearHunter said:#2 In 2011, just 35% of white liberals thought racism in the United States was “a big problem,” according to national polling.
— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) May 6, 2023
By 2015, this figure had ballooned to 61% and further still to 77% in 2017. pic.twitter.com/qTBCQeBU1D
It has got to be the media that's largely to blame for fueling and fanning the flames of racial discord. The universities don't help either.
More racist? Yes, at least more openly and overtly.calbear93 said:Help me understand this.Eastern Oregon Bear said:Yeah, it couldn't have been due to some purported increase in violent protests, white supremacy groups, strident political speech and politically motivated actions to restrict the rights of "those" people.BearHunter said:#2 In 2011, just 35% of white liberals thought racism in the United States was “a big problem,” according to national polling.
— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) May 6, 2023
By 2015, this figure had ballooned to 61% and further still to 77% in 2017. pic.twitter.com/qTBCQeBU1D
It has got to be the media that's largely to blame for fueling and fanning the flames of racial discord. The universities don't help either.
Are you suggesting that the climate is more racist now than in 1995? Are you suggesting that people are facing more racism now than in 1995?
If so, and if it were partly due to those things you mentioned, what is flaming such activities? Let's not go to the knee-jerk reaction of "Trump" and "MAGA" since those are symptoms and not the causes.
Is it possible, even theoretically, that race-based remedies and identity politics are also responsible for the racial divide? Is the solution part of the problem? If we are constantly identifying by race as a solution with mandated results, people will identify and create tribes based on race, would they not? No one voluntarily gives up their privilege. I would love for anyone here to identify how they have given up their privilege by giving up their job and their home that they didn't deserve because of the white privilege so that a more worthy person of color can rightfully have their job and send their kids to safer schools. No, no one does that. Instead, they alleviate their guilt by trying to say they are aligned without any real sacrifice so that they can be viewed as one of the good privileged folks.
We saw this with emasculation of men about a decade ago where some men were feigning feminism and almost self-hate to be seen as allies of the feminists. That led to a generation of emasculated men when women will always want strong, compassionate, respectful men and not sycophants. There is a danger of having a group of sycophants on racial issues who don't know how to have their own opinions with compassion instead of resorting to automatic apology and surrender, with opposite extremes being created in response. Again, real guilt will lead to real sacrifice like Alexis Ohanian demonstrated. Instead, most of the apology is in the form of empty words that people see through clearly, like Beto who turned himself from someone who can take down Cruz to the epitome of self-hate without real belief that would have manifested in real sacrifice.
As I stated, MAGA is not the problem. It is a symptom. When we have conclusions as arguments from both sides and those who don't agree put into a corner as insensitive or racists or lacking bandwidth, it will not make the disagreement go away. It will fester until a demagogue like Trump comes along and makes it OK to voice the discontent even more violently due to the prior shaming.
Open debate and potentially hurt feelings, and not name calling and shaming, are the beginning of the answer.
Anyone who has ever worked in negotiation and persuasion knows that the best way to get people over to your side of argument is find common grounds, find areas of agreement, listen and discuss. But we don't. We don't because our sense of self is not based on what we have done for the world but what we say we believe and how much we don't like the other side.
I guess I was asking what you think has caused the climate to be more racist in your view despite all of the mandated social engineering supposedly designed to mitigate and alleviate racism in our society.Eastern Oregon Bear said:More racist? Yes, at least more openly and overtly.calbear93 said:Help me understand this.Eastern Oregon Bear said:Yeah, it couldn't have been due to some purported increase in violent protests, white supremacy groups, strident political speech and politically motivated actions to restrict the rights of "those" people.BearHunter said:#2 In 2011, just 35% of white liberals thought racism in the United States was “a big problem,” according to national polling.
— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) May 6, 2023
By 2015, this figure had ballooned to 61% and further still to 77% in 2017. pic.twitter.com/qTBCQeBU1D
It has got to be the media that's largely to blame for fueling and fanning the flames of racial discord. The universities don't help either.
Are you suggesting that the climate is more racist now than in 1995? Are you suggesting that people are facing more racism now than in 1995?
If so, and if it were partly due to those things you mentioned, what is flaming such activities? Let's not go to the knee-jerk reaction of "Trump" and "MAGA" since those are symptoms and not the causes.
Is it possible, even theoretically, that race-based remedies and identity politics are also responsible for the racial divide? Is the solution part of the problem? If we are constantly identifying by race as a solution with mandated results, people will identify and create tribes based on race, would they not? No one voluntarily gives up their privilege. I would love for anyone here to identify how they have given up their privilege by giving up their job and their home that they didn't deserve because of the white privilege so that a more worthy person of color can rightfully have their job and send their kids to safer schools. No, no one does that. Instead, they alleviate their guilt by trying to say they are aligned without any real sacrifice so that they can be viewed as one of the good privileged folks.
We saw this with emasculation of men about a decade ago where some men were feigning feminism and almost self-hate to be seen as allies of the feminists. That led to a generation of emasculated men when women will always want strong, compassionate, respectful men and not sycophants. There is a danger of having a group of sycophants on racial issues who don't know how to have their own opinions with compassion instead of resorting to automatic apology and surrender, with opposite extremes being created in response. Again, real guilt will lead to real sacrifice like Alexis Ohanian demonstrated. Instead, most of the apology is in the form of empty words that people see through clearly, like Beto who turned himself from someone who can take down Cruz to the epitome of self-hate without real belief that would have manifested in real sacrifice.
As I stated, MAGA is not the problem. It is a symptom. When we have conclusions as arguments from both sides and those who don't agree put into a corner as insensitive or racists or lacking bandwidth, it will not make the disagreement go away. It will fester until a demagogue like Trump comes along and makes it OK to voice the discontent even more violently due to the prior shaming.
Open debate and potentially hurt feelings, and not name calling and shaming, are the beginning of the answer.
Anyone who has ever worked in negotiation and persuasion knows that the best way to get people over to your side of argument is find common grounds, find areas of agreement, listen and discuss. But we don't. We don't because our sense of self is not based on what we have done for the world but what we say we believe and how much we don't like the other side.
I'm not sure we have much common ground if you see men supporting feminism and equal rights for women as men having self-hate.
going4roses said:
Yeah your big mad
calbear93 said:I guess I was asking what you think has caused the climate to be more racist in your view despite all of the mandated social engineering supposedly designed to mitigate and alleviate racism in our society.Eastern Oregon Bear said:More racist? Yes, at least more openly and overtly.calbear93 said:Help me understand this.Eastern Oregon Bear said:Yeah, it couldn't have been due to some purported increase in violent protests, white supremacy groups, strident political speech and politically motivated actions to restrict the rights of "those" people.BearHunter said:#2 In 2011, just 35% of white liberals thought racism in the United States was “a big problem,” according to national polling.
— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) May 6, 2023
By 2015, this figure had ballooned to 61% and further still to 77% in 2017. pic.twitter.com/qTBCQeBU1D
It has got to be the media that's largely to blame for fueling and fanning the flames of racial discord. The universities don't help either.
Are you suggesting that the climate is more racist now than in 1995? Are you suggesting that people are facing more racism now than in 1995?
If so, and if it were partly due to those things you mentioned, what is flaming such activities? Let's not go to the knee-jerk reaction of "Trump" and "MAGA" since those are symptoms and not the causes.
Is it possible, even theoretically, that race-based remedies and identity politics are also responsible for the racial divide? Is the solution part of the problem? If we are constantly identifying by race as a solution with mandated results, people will identify and create tribes based on race, would they not? No one voluntarily gives up their privilege. I would love for anyone here to identify how they have given up their privilege by giving up their job and their home that they didn't deserve because of the white privilege so that a more worthy person of color can rightfully have their job and send their kids to safer schools. No, no one does that. Instead, they alleviate their guilt by trying to say they are aligned without any real sacrifice so that they can be viewed as one of the good privileged folks.
We saw this with emasculation of men about a decade ago where some men were feigning feminism and almost self-hate to be seen as allies of the feminists. That led to a generation of emasculated men when women will always want strong, compassionate, respectful men and not sycophants. There is a danger of having a group of sycophants on racial issues who don't know how to have their own opinions with compassion instead of resorting to automatic apology and surrender, with opposite extremes being created in response. Again, real guilt will lead to real sacrifice like Alexis Ohanian demonstrated. Instead, most of the apology is in the form of empty words that people see through clearly, like Beto who turned himself from someone who can take down Cruz to the epitome of self-hate without real belief that would have manifested in real sacrifice.
As I stated, MAGA is not the problem. It is a symptom. When we have conclusions as arguments from both sides and those who don't agree put into a corner as insensitive or racists or lacking bandwidth, it will not make the disagreement go away. It will fester until a demagogue like Trump comes along and makes it OK to voice the discontent even more violently due to the prior shaming.
Open debate and potentially hurt feelings, and not name calling and shaming, are the beginning of the answer.
Anyone who has ever worked in negotiation and persuasion knows that the best way to get people over to your side of argument is find common grounds, find areas of agreement, listen and discuss. But we don't. We don't because our sense of self is not based on what we have done for the world but what we say we believe and how much we don't like the other side.
I'm not sure we have much common ground if you see men supporting feminism and equal rights for women as men having self-hate.
I absolute do not support feminism as expressed in the form of male hate as opposed to just equal rights for the sexes while recognizing the difference in the sexes. I believe the sexes are different, and I have taught my boys to be strong, respectful men who lead and protect the women in their lives. But if you have not seen the surrender from males claiming to be feminists in the prior decade with men in themselves and masculinity argued as inferior or toxic as opposed to just dishonorable behavior of some men, you are not being genuine. Chivalry is a good thing. I still train in mixed martial arts because I feel the need to be the protector while honoring and respecting my wife and daughters in all things. In my family, while my wife and I discuss and consult, if there is a disagreement (which is rare since I put her interest before mine), we both understand that one person has to make the final decision, and it will be me. I don't care what anyone else says. That has worked well in my family.
dimitrig said:calbear93 said:I guess I was asking what you think has caused the climate to be more racist in your view despite all of the mandated social engineering supposedly designed to mitigate and alleviate racism in our society.Eastern Oregon Bear said:More racist? Yes, at least more openly and overtly.calbear93 said:Help me understand this.Eastern Oregon Bear said:Yeah, it couldn't have been due to some purported increase in violent protests, white supremacy groups, strident political speech and politically motivated actions to restrict the rights of "those" people.BearHunter said:#2 In 2011, just 35% of white liberals thought racism in the United States was “a big problem,” according to national polling.
— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) May 6, 2023
By 2015, this figure had ballooned to 61% and further still to 77% in 2017. pic.twitter.com/qTBCQeBU1D
It has got to be the media that's largely to blame for fueling and fanning the flames of racial discord. The universities don't help either.
Are you suggesting that the climate is more racist now than in 1995? Are you suggesting that people are facing more racism now than in 1995?
If so, and if it were partly due to those things you mentioned, what is flaming such activities? Let's not go to the knee-jerk reaction of "Trump" and "MAGA" since those are symptoms and not the causes.
Is it possible, even theoretically, that race-based remedies and identity politics are also responsible for the racial divide? Is the solution part of the problem? If we are constantly identifying by race as a solution with mandated results, people will identify and create tribes based on race, would they not? No one voluntarily gives up their privilege. I would love for anyone here to identify how they have given up their privilege by giving up their job and their home that they didn't deserve because of the white privilege so that a more worthy person of color can rightfully have their job and send their kids to safer schools. No, no one does that. Instead, they alleviate their guilt by trying to say they are aligned without any real sacrifice so that they can be viewed as one of the good privileged folks.
We saw this with emasculation of men about a decade ago where some men were feigning feminism and almost self-hate to be seen as allies of the feminists. That led to a generation of emasculated men when women will always want strong, compassionate, respectful men and not sycophants. There is a danger of having a group of sycophants on racial issues who don't know how to have their own opinions with compassion instead of resorting to automatic apology and surrender, with opposite extremes being created in response. Again, real guilt will lead to real sacrifice like Alexis Ohanian demonstrated. Instead, most of the apology is in the form of empty words that people see through clearly, like Beto who turned himself from someone who can take down Cruz to the epitome of self-hate without real belief that would have manifested in real sacrifice.
As I stated, MAGA is not the problem. It is a symptom. When we have conclusions as arguments from both sides and those who don't agree put into a corner as insensitive or racists or lacking bandwidth, it will not make the disagreement go away. It will fester until a demagogue like Trump comes along and makes it OK to voice the discontent even more violently due to the prior shaming.
Open debate and potentially hurt feelings, and not name calling and shaming, are the beginning of the answer.
Anyone who has ever worked in negotiation and persuasion knows that the best way to get people over to your side of argument is find common grounds, find areas of agreement, listen and discuss. But we don't. We don't because our sense of self is not based on what we have done for the world but what we say we believe and how much we don't like the other side.
I'm not sure we have much common ground if you see men supporting feminism and equal rights for women as men having self-hate.
I absolute do not support feminism as expressed in the form of male hate as opposed to just equal rights for the sexes while recognizing the difference in the sexes. I believe the sexes are different, and I have taught my boys to be strong, respectful men who lead and protect the women in their lives. But if you have not seen the surrender from males claiming to be feminists in the prior decade with men in themselves and masculinity argued as inferior or toxic as opposed to just dishonorable behavior of some men, you are not being genuine. Chivalry is a good thing. I still train in mixed martial arts because I feel the need to be the protector while honoring and respecting my wife and daughters in all things. In my family, while my wife and I discuss and consult, if there is a disagreement (which is rare since I put her interest before mine), we both understand that one person has to make the final decision, and it will be me. I don't care what anyone else says. That has worked well in my family.
My opinion is that there are a lot of people who are tolerant as long as it doesn't threaten them in some way. They know that one gay guy at the office and make fun of his flamboyant clothes. They have that one black friend. Their gardener is Mexican and their doctor is Jewish. A Sikh runs the gas station. Their accountant is Korean. Maybe their boss is even a woman. Hey, America is about diversity, right? It bothers them sometimes but it's no big deal.
However, when they start to feel like they are losing power then their mere prejudice becomes bigotry. As I said earlier, I think Obama becoming President and appointing a lot of black people to positions of power changed the dynamic.
Combine that with people losing their jobs to immigrants (legal or otherwise) and women and minorities such as Asians being better educated and less willing to take **** as a result and uneducated white men saw that their role in the future of America is diminishing. Rather than go to school like their female counterparts they retreated to the havens of uneducated white males like the trades and the police force which is where they are still concentrated.
They think if they can send all the immigrants back, prevent people from obtaining an education, and control women they can level the playing field.
On 1995 they weren't a minority, but now they are and it will just get worse over time. The white neighborhood will tolerate a minority family living there but when it becomes 50% minorities they want to leave or else force the minorities out.
DiabloWags said:
Interestingly enough, CNN did in fact make a business decision to go full on "Black Lives Matter" about 8 years ago.
Anderson Cooper got pulled from CNN Prime Time for Don Lemon. Every night was a BLM "highlight" show.
And the rest is history.
calbear93 said:dimitrig said:calbear93 said:I guess I was asking what you think has caused the climate to be more racist in your view despite all of the mandated social engineering supposedly designed to mitigate and alleviate racism in our society.Eastern Oregon Bear said:More racist? Yes, at least more openly and overtly.calbear93 said:Help me understand this.Eastern Oregon Bear said:Yeah, it couldn't have been due to some purported increase in violent protests, white supremacy groups, strident political speech and politically motivated actions to restrict the rights of "those" people.BearHunter said:#2 In 2011, just 35% of white liberals thought racism in the United States was “a big problem,” according to national polling.
— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) May 6, 2023
By 2015, this figure had ballooned to 61% and further still to 77% in 2017. pic.twitter.com/qTBCQeBU1D
It has got to be the media that's largely to blame for fueling and fanning the flames of racial discord. The universities don't help either.
Are you suggesting that the climate is more racist now than in 1995? Are you suggesting that people are facing more racism now than in 1995?
If so, and if it were partly due to those things you mentioned, what is flaming such activities? Let's not go to the knee-jerk reaction of "Trump" and "MAGA" since those are symptoms and not the causes.
Is it possible, even theoretically, that race-based remedies and identity politics are also responsible for the racial divide? Is the solution part of the problem? If we are constantly identifying by race as a solution with mandated results, people will identify and create tribes based on race, would they not? No one voluntarily gives up their privilege. I would love for anyone here to identify how they have given up their privilege by giving up their job and their home that they didn't deserve because of the white privilege so that a more worthy person of color can rightfully have their job and send their kids to safer schools. No, no one does that. Instead, they alleviate their guilt by trying to say they are aligned without any real sacrifice so that they can be viewed as one of the good privileged folks.
We saw this with emasculation of men about a decade ago where some men were feigning feminism and almost self-hate to be seen as allies of the feminists. That led to a generation of emasculated men when women will always want strong, compassionate, respectful men and not sycophants. There is a danger of having a group of sycophants on racial issues who don't know how to have their own opinions with compassion instead of resorting to automatic apology and surrender, with opposite extremes being created in response. Again, real guilt will lead to real sacrifice like Alexis Ohanian demonstrated. Instead, most of the apology is in the form of empty words that people see through clearly, like Beto who turned himself from someone who can take down Cruz to the epitome of self-hate without real belief that would have manifested in real sacrifice.
As I stated, MAGA is not the problem. It is a symptom. When we have conclusions as arguments from both sides and those who don't agree put into a corner as insensitive or racists or lacking bandwidth, it will not make the disagreement go away. It will fester until a demagogue like Trump comes along and makes it OK to voice the discontent even more violently due to the prior shaming.
Open debate and potentially hurt feelings, and not name calling and shaming, are the beginning of the answer.
Anyone who has ever worked in negotiation and persuasion knows that the best way to get people over to your side of argument is find common grounds, find areas of agreement, listen and discuss. But we don't. We don't because our sense of self is not based on what we have done for the world but what we say we believe and how much we don't like the other side.
I'm not sure we have much common ground if you see men supporting feminism and equal rights for women as men having self-hate.
I absolute do not support feminism as expressed in the form of male hate as opposed to just equal rights for the sexes while recognizing the difference in the sexes. I believe the sexes are different, and I have taught my boys to be strong, respectful men who lead and protect the women in their lives. But if you have not seen the surrender from males claiming to be feminists in the prior decade with men in themselves and masculinity argued as inferior or toxic as opposed to just dishonorable behavior of some men, you are not being genuine. Chivalry is a good thing. I still train in mixed martial arts because I feel the need to be the protector while honoring and respecting my wife and daughters in all things. In my family, while my wife and I discuss and consult, if there is a disagreement (which is rare since I put her interest before mine), we both understand that one person has to make the final decision, and it will be me. I don't care what anyone else says. That has worked well in my family.
My opinion is that there are a lot of people who are tolerant as long as it doesn't threaten them in some way. They know that one gay guy at the office and make fun of his flamboyant clothes. They have that one black friend. Their gardener is Mexican and their doctor is Jewish. A Sikh runs the gas station. Their accountant is Korean. Maybe their boss is even a woman. Hey, America is about diversity, right? It bothers them sometimes but it's no big deal.
However, when they start to feel like they are losing power then their mere prejudice becomes bigotry. As I said earlier, I think Obama becoming President and appointing a lot of black people to positions of power changed the dynamic.
Combine that with people losing their jobs to immigrants (legal or otherwise) and women and minorities such as Asians being better educated and less willing to take **** as a result and uneducated white men saw that their role in the future of America is diminishing. Rather than go to school like their female counterparts they retreated to the havens of uneducated white males like the trades and the police force which is where they are still concentrated.
They think if they can send all the immigrants back, prevent people from obtaining an education, and control women they can level the playing field.
On 1995 they weren't a minority, but now they are and it will just get worse over time. The white neighborhood will tolerate a minority family living there but when it becomes 50% minorities they want to leave or else force the minorities out.
Interesting perspective.
A few thoughts and questions.
So, have the uneducated white men lost "power" and, therefore, are acting out? All this talk of white privilege is no longer relevant to them since they are now in the minority and have lost the power they once enjoyed?
All the uneducated white women, in response, went to college? So are women superior to men?
Educated white men like yourself (if you are white) are immune from feeling the same threat and therefore did not fall victim to the hateful response? Or are the folks here just a superior model and have no need for further sacrifice or have privilege they should surrender willingly to the rightful owners?
We seem to talk about others being the problem and being the ones who need to change. How about you and others who feel as you do? Is feeling enough or do you actually have to surrender what you believe were ill gotten? Just wondering the degree of conviction. Obviously, if you found out your kids stole your neighbor's bike, you would return it. How about what you obtained from the social construct that gave you your position in life?
Thanks for your thoughtful responses. All interesting takes even if I disagree.
