The Non-Yogi Israel-Palestine war thread

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7:42a, 9/9/25
Qatar is sending repo men to San Antonio to repossess that Boeing 747-8 jet.

https://mol.im/a/15080817


*I hope Trump doesn't tell Bibi there are Hamas units in San Francisco and Chicago.
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3:08p, 9/9/25
That's some kind of a brotherhood!

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In reply to Cal88 • 11:44a, 9/10/25
Is Trump lying about not tacitly approving the Israeli airstrikes in Qatar or is Bibi his daddy?

What say you?

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12:00p, 9/10/25
Israel is a barbaric state - there is little internal dissension about this slaughter. They need to not be allowed to travel or participate in international events. This is a huge shame on the West that will not be erased.
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In reply to bearister • 12:06p, 9/10/25
bearister said:
Is Trump lying about not tacitly approving the Israeli airstrikes in Qatar or is Bibi his daddy?

What say you?




Hard to believe this Israeli mission wasn't greenlit, because the USAF operates a large base near Doha and would have spotted the planes coming in. Also, allegations that these Israeli jets were refueled by NATO tankers just outside of Qatar. So Trump is probably lying.
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In reply to bearister • 3:29p, 9/10/25
This being said, Jeffrey Sachs thinks Trump might have been kept uninformed:

https://www.youtube.com/live/lGroog6ewJ4?si=8v-Ek5NN--sS-Rns&t=808
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3:32p, 9/10/25


The con is wearing thinner
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In reply to Cal88 • 10:26a, 9/11/25
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Tell me, is this guy high enough in the Israeli government for his statements to matter? Asking for a friend.
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In reply to sycasey • 11:04a, 9/11/25
Greater Israel has been Israeli policy since Bibi's crowd assassinated Yitzak Rabin in 1995.
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In reply to Cal88 • 11:49a, 9/11/25


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After watching recent clips of Charlie Kirk, the founder and president of the largest conservative youth organization in the US, I've seen him suggest there was a military stand-down order on October 7th, accused Israel of ethnically cleansing Gaza, claimed he doesn't have the freedom to criticize Israel, and he invited Dave Smith, a well-known anti-Zionist, to speak at the country's biggest conservative youth event. If Israel is worried about the rise of anti-Zionism among young conservatives (which is happening) then the 31 yr old founder and president of the country's largest conservative youth movement is exactly the kind of figure Israel fears when he begins to stray from the script.

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In reply to Cal88 • 12:21p, 9/11/25
Cal88 said:
Greater Israel has been Israeli policy since Bibi's crowd assassinated Yitzak Rabin in 1995.


I respectfully disagree with almost all of your other points, but Netanyahu stoking up the hate which led to Rabin's assassination was the turning point that ultimately led us here.
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In reply to ACC Bear • 2:15p, 9/11/25
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After watching recent clips of Charlie Kirk, the founder and president of the largest conservative youth organization in the US, I've seen him suggest there was a military stand-down order on October 7th, accused Israel of ethnically cleansing Gaza, claimed he doesn't have the freedom to criticize Israel, and he invited Dave Smith, a well-known anti-Zionist, to speak at the country's biggest conservative youth event. If Israel is worried about the rise of anti-Zionism among young conservatives (which is happening) then the 31 yr old founder and president of the country's largest conservative youth movement is exactly the kind of figure Israel fears when he begins to stray from the script.



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In reply to sycasey • 2:52p, 9/11/25
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ACC Bear said:


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After watching recent clips of Charlie Kirk, the founder and president of the largest conservative youth organization in the US, I've seen him suggest there was a military stand-down order on October 7th, accused Israel of ethnically cleansing Gaza, claimed he doesn't have the freedom to criticize Israel, and he invited Dave Smith, a well-known anti-Zionist, to speak at the country's biggest conservative youth event. If Israel is worried about the rise of anti-Zionism among young conservatives (which is happening) then the 31 yr old founder and president of the country's largest conservative youth movement is exactly the kind of figure Israel fears when he begins to stray from the script.






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In reply to ACC Bear • 4:20p, 9/11/25
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sycasey said:
ACC Bear said:


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After watching recent clips of Charlie Kirk, the founder and president of the largest conservative youth organization in the US, I've seen him suggest there was a military stand-down order on October 7th, accused Israel of ethnically cleansing Gaza, claimed he doesn't have the freedom to criticize Israel, and he invited Dave Smith, a well-known anti-Zionist, to speak at the country's biggest conservative youth event. If Israel is worried about the rise of anti-Zionism among young conservatives (which is happening) then the 31 yr old founder and president of the country's largest conservative youth movement is exactly the kind of figure Israel fears when he begins to stray from the script.









Bibi is a moron. The worst PM ever.
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In reply to Cal88 • 5:38p, 9/11/25
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That's some kind of a brotherhood!


Yossi Klein is a rabid anti-Zionist who is determined to burn the village down to save it. He's one of the main reasons why I cancelled my Ha'Aretz subscription. It's like thinking that Finkelstein speaks for a lot of Diasporic Jews - when he may reflect 1% at most..
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In reply to juarezbear • 6:30p, 9/11/25
juarezbear said:
Cal88 said:
That's some kind of a brotherhood!


Yossi Klein is a rabid anti-Zionist who is determined to burn the village down to save it. He's one of the main reasons why I cancelled my Ha'Aretz subscription. It's like thinking that Finkelstein speaks for a lot of Diasporic Jews - when he may reflect 1% at most..


He's a dissenting voice in a country where 82% want to ethnically cleanse Palestinians.
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3:37p, 9/13/25


If you are wondering why some of the dead children in Gaza have no visible injuries or covered in blood. Who look like they're sleeping...

It is because Israel killed them with Thermobaric bombs. These bombs suck oxygen from the air to trigger high temperature explosions. The explosive pressure is so strong that it quite literally sucks the air out of the children's lungs and causes them to internally explode."
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In reply to Cal88 • 1:41p, 9/14/25
When they're not blowing kids up with thermobaric bombs, they are shooting them in the head with snipers.



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This is indeed devastating: an extremely detailed investigative journalism piece by mainstream Dutch newspaper De Volkskrant looked in minute details into 114 cases of young Palestinian children with single gunshot wounds to the head or chest.

Their conclusion? That the overwhelming evidence points to deliberate, targeted shooting of children, primarily by snipers.

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In reply to ACC Bear • 9:24p, 9/14/25
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Looks like we got ourselves another antisemite here!
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In reply to ACC Bear • 7:53a, 9/16/25
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Yes, obsequiousness to the Israel lobby has been a bipartisan problem for a long while. No disagreement here.
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In reply to Cal88 • 9:25a, 9/16/25
umm, for the airline bonus points?? /S
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In reply to Cal88 • 5:37p, 9/16/25
Bill Maher, and his guest last Friday, Ben Shapiro, are cool with this as well as the bombing in Qatar.
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In reply to bearister • 7:28p, 9/16/25
^Par for the course. They're having a bit of a harder time explaining how Israelis snipe little starving kids because ...Hamas.



"A sniper in the Nahal Brigade said, "Every day we have the same mission: to secure the humanitarian aid in the north of the Strip." Those waiting for aid try to move forward to get a good spot in line, but there is a boundary in front of them that they can't see. "A line that if they cross, I can shoot them," Beni explains.

"It's like a game of cat and mouse. They try to come each time from a different route, and I'm there with the sniper rifle, and the officers yell at me, 'Take them down, take them down.' I fire 50-60 bullets every day. I stopped counting Xs. I have no idea how many I've killed, a lot. Children."



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10:07a, 9/17/25
"A week after Israel's missile strikes in Qatar, it's clear not only that the assassination attempt against Hamas leaders failed, but that it backfired, Axios' Barak Ravid writes.

Why it matters: The strike increased the feeling inside the Trump administration and around the world that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government is reckless and has become a destabilizing force in the region.

How it happened: Israel's plan was to take out several of Hamas' top leaders all at once as they met to discuss President Trump's Gaza peace proposal.

Five Hamas members were killed, along with a Qatari security officer. But the key targets all survived. The failed attack led to the indefinite suspension of negotiations. Hamas' negotiators went underground, and outraged Qatari mediators suspended their efforts."
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In reply to Cal88 • 11:30a, 9/17/25
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In reply to movielover • 12:41p, 9/17/25
And there is a whole new market in Europe with Nordstream out of the picture...

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In reply to Cal88 • 2:25p, 9/17/25
So "Never again" doesn't cover:

- hundreds of thousands of women and children in Gaza

- 250K to one million CHILD gang r*pe, torture, and pimp victims (meaning possibly billions of rapes), along with hate crimes, in the UK

- current-day 2-10 million slaves in Africa
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