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Found some anti-zionists.
I suspect that Pro-Palestine protesters are going to turn a lot of people off to activist movements in general. There are just so many jerks and racists. https://t.co/Zwu2fyZUfG
— Noah Smith 🐇🇺🇸🇺🇦 (@Noahpinion) December 5, 2023
What do you mean "you people"?CaliforniaEternal said:
You antisemites are sick, deranged people. What next, you'll send mobs to every synagogue in the US for supporting Israel? That won't end well for you people.
I don't know how Jews, with our history, can watch this video—of a people forced out of their land with the little that's left of their lives on their backs—with anything but horror and revulsion. Not because this is the only site of suffering in the world but because https://t.co/xR2MY6GfFU
— corey robin (@CoreyRobin) December 5, 2023
this is being done in our name. Defenders or temporizers can invoke the Hamas slaughter of October 7 as justification or explanation, but this scene, of Palestinians being pushed out of their homes, has been done in our name, again and again, for at least 75 years.
— corey robin (@CoreyRobin) December 5, 2023
We will be forever linked with it. If you don't think that's true, ask yourself, how does history remember Nebuchadnezzar? We've created a literature, a peoplehood, out of this being done to us. What do you think Palestinians will do with what has been, is being, done to them?
— corey robin (@CoreyRobin) December 5, 2023
It is very unfortunate and surprising to me that there would be political extremists like Cal88 on a Cal message board. It doesn't make much sense but then again, I did learn about someone I know who was likewise radicalized and took part in that Bay Bridge shutdown. She was a Haas grad, had a very promising career, but threw it all away and over the years kept drifting further and further into a very angry crowd. Well, at least they all put themselves so we know who to avoid.
CaliforniaEternal said:
Let's be very clear, not all antimsemites are violent antisemites. That does not make their mob protest agreeable. The keyboard warrior antisemites like you deny crimes committed against Jews, peddle in conspiracy theories, and demonize Israel while praising those who preach hate against Jews. Maybe if you remind yourself that the internet is a Zionist invention you can choose not to use it and that will help everyone out.
Just because Al Gore is a zionist doesn't mean that I shouldn't reply to outlandish slanderous posts like this one here.
Israel is demonizing itself by carpet bombing a densely populated city and killing helpless civilians by the thousands. Those are the crimes that are being denied here.
Anyone who knows the International Committee of the Red Cross knows that their official policy is to never speak out (https://t.co/qCWAYC21Ri)
— Arnaud Bertrand (@RnaudBertrand) December 5, 2023
Which is why such a statement by the ICRC president is so exceptional, and why you should listen.
Here's what she says:
"The things I… https://t.co/NibemSRfLc
Unit2Sucks said:
Found some anti-zionists.
The presidents of @Harvard, @MIT, and @Penn were all asked the following question under oath at today’s congressional hearing on antisemitism:
— Bill Ackman (@BillAckman) December 5, 2023
Does calling for the genocide of Jews violate [your university’s] code of conduct or rules regarding bullying or harassment?
The… pic.twitter.com/eVlPCHMcVZ
You don't have to look very far. Seeing all this anti-Semitism coming from the left has been a very unsettling experience for them.
Col. Kwiatkowski on the war in Gaza
Marine vet and Senior Fellow with the Center For International Policy Mathiew Hoh
MacGregor's assessment on the gepolitics and military aspects
Marine vet and Senior Fellow with the Center For International Policy Mathiew Hoh
MacGregor's assessment on the gepolitics and military aspects
And Biden / Blinken / Obama condone the carpet bombing of Gaza... indeed, they're probably backfilling their ammunitions and bunker buster bombs, and we have 2-3 aircraft carriers deployed to the region.
bear2034 said:Unit2Sucks said:
Found some anti-zionists.The presidents of @Harvard, @MIT, and @Penn were all asked the following question under oath at today’s congressional hearing on antisemitism:
— Bill Ackman (@BillAckman) December 5, 2023
Does calling for the genocide of Jews violate [your university’s] code of conduct or rules regarding bullying or harassment?
The… pic.twitter.com/eVlPCHMcVZ
You don't have to look very far. Seeing all this anti-Semitism coming from the left has been a very unsettling experience for them.
Should university administrators allow speech of this kind on campuses, or should they ban all such views and punish any students or student groups expressing them? (via @loffredojeremy)
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) December 6, 2023
Should the US Congress officially condemn these views as bigoted and genocidal? pic.twitter.com/EjIu5RqAFu
Exactly, when they tell you who they are, we should listen.CaliforniaEternal said:
It is very unfortunate and surprising to me that there would be political extremists like Cal88 on a Cal message board. It doesn't make much sense but then again, I did learn about someone I know who was likewise radicalized and took part in that Bay Bridge shutdown. She was a Haas grad, had a very promising career, but threw it all away and over the years kept drifting further and further into a very angry crowd. Well, at least they all put themselves so we know who to avoid.
Just like Hamas told us who they were (again, as if it needed to be reiterated) on October 7th.
The video evidence of the depravity isn't public, but the reports are harrowing.
I just watched the roughly 45-minute footage of October 7th at a private screening in NYC. Here are my immediate thoughts minutes after watching it. 🧵
— John Spencer (@SpencerGuard) December 4, 2023
Hamas kills Jews.Cal88 said:Anyone who knows the International Committee of the Red Cross knows that their official policy is to never speak out (https://t.co/qCWAYC21Ri)
— Arnaud Bertrand (@RnaudBertrand) December 5, 2023
Which is why such a statement by the ICRC president is so exceptional, and why you should listen.
Here's what she says:
"The things I… https://t.co/NibemSRfLc
Hamas has vowed to kill more Jews.
Hamas' mission statement calls for the destruction of Israel and killing Jews.
Does Israel have a right to kill Hamas as a means of defending itself?
Hamas intentionally places itself and its weapons immediately in the vicinity of civilians.
What is Israel supposed to do? How does Israel destroy Hamas without civilian casualties?
I wish you would be more careful with your words.Cal88 said:
Israel is demonizing itself by carpet bombing a densely populated city and killing helpless civilians by the thousands. Those are the crimes that are being denied here.
This is carpet bombing
This is Israel bombing in Gaza
The fact that Gaza is densely populated and Hamas integrates itself into civilians infrastructure / populations to maximize civilian casualties does not mean Israel is carpet bombing.
We are also engaged in retaliatory bombing against radical groups in the region on almost a daily basis. It just doesn't get any coverage in the mainstream press.movielover said:
And Biden / Blinken / Obama condone the carpet bombing of Gaza... indeed, they're probably backfilling their ammunitions and bunker buster bombs, and we have 2-3 aircraft carriers deployed to the region.
tequila4kapp said:
What is Israel supposed to do? How does Israel destroy Hamas without civilian casualties?
I'm not a military expert so none of these options may be viable….I just don't trust Bibi's opinion on the matter.
Oh, and this article is more than a month old so the train pulled out of the station already with regard to the options discussed.
What Israel should do now
Israel's current approach is clearly wrong. Here's a better way to fight Hamas and win.
https://www.vox.com/2023/10/20/23919946/israel-hamas-war-gaza-palestine-ground-invasion-strategy
"After the 9/11 attacks, the United States faced a momentous choice: should it engage in a narrowly targeted counterterrorism campaign, one designed to bring Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda to justice, or attempt to fight terrorism and remake the Middle East through much more expansive wars of regime change?
The US made the latter choice and blundered into one of the greatest foreign policy disasters in the country's 250-year history.
I fear that Israel is on the verge of making the same mistake.
….. But at the same time, Israel cannot simply do nothing. Governments have an obligation to protect their citizens. With Israelis still sifting through evidence of torture, and captives languishing in Hamas custody, nearly everyone in Israel agrees that the country must fight to create an environment where a repeat of this attack becomes unthinkable.
…. Israel should launch a targeted counterrorism operation aimed at Hamas leadership and the fighters directly involved in the October 7 attack, one that focuses on minimizing both civilian casualties and the scope of ground operations in Gaza.
"Go in for a few weeks or less, trying to find Hamas leaders and destroying tunnels, weapons caches, etc," says Dan Byman, a professor at Georgetown who studies Israeli counterterrorism.
…. Hamas is an antisemitic organization dedicated to wiping Israel off the map; Israelis are entirely justified in wanting its regime eliminated.
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This sounds great but Hamas' nominal leaders are all in other countries - these aren't Napoleon types, they're fat cats who profit from Palestinian misery. And even if you get their "leaders", Tehran will just install new ones. I would like to see the billionaire "leaders" of Hamas brought to justice (ideally in the ICC) but taking them off the chess board won't lead to peace.bearister said:tequila4kapp said:
What is Israel supposed to do? How does Israel destroy Hamas without civilian casualties?
…. Israel should launch a targeted counterrorism operation aimed at Hamas leadership and the fighters directly involved in the October 7 attack, one that focuses on minimizing both civilian casualties and the scope of ground operations in Gaza.
"Go in for a few weeks or less, trying to find Hamas leaders and destroying tunnels, weapons caches, etc," says Dan Byman, a professor at Georgetown who studies Israeli counterterrorism.
As for the rest, it's virtually impossible to separate Hamas fighters from innocent civilians. They all have freedom of movement and it's not like they have identifying tattoos or wear uniforms. Some can probably be identified based on footage from the 10/7 atrocities, but that's just a fraction of the fighters. Israel certainly needs to eliminate Hamas' capabilities which is why they wanted all of the civilians to leave Gaza City. It's not like they could perform ops while the city is still occupied without Hamas causing even more civilian harm. This certainly doesn't end with tunnels intact and/or weapons stashes in UNRWA schools and hospitals.
From Israael's perspective this isn't just about the Hamas' leaders. It is a realization they cannot have antisemitic neighbors hell bent on eliminating them. See Netenyahu's reported statements resisting the WH's call for a reformed PA to take over...the PA, with its paying of terrorist families and school propaganda that foments antisemitism is really no better.
Israel is in a terrible position of probably needing to occupy and control Gaza. If there was any Palestinian entity that would acknowledge Israel's right to exist...maybe in a perfect world we could have something approaching US & Japan after WW2 but even there the Japanese never believed the US had no right to exist.
Israel is in a terrible position of probably needing to occupy and control Gaza. If there was any Palestinian entity that would acknowledge Israel's right to exist...maybe in a perfect world we could have something approaching US & Japan after WW2 but even there the Japanese never believed the US had no right to exist.
"….but Hamas' nominal leaders are all in other countries - these aren't Napoleon types,"*
Munich operation.
*Killing 20k people in Gaza doesn't solve that problem either.
Munich operation.
*Killing 20k people in Gaza doesn't solve that problem either.
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20K?
Wasn't it 15K last week, 5K of whom were reportedly Hamas?
Wasn't it 15K last week, 5K of whom were reportedly Hamas?
Oh, you think it's over? I was conservatively rounding up.
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Will a single congress member call a hearing to give this young man an opportunity to testify to the hate he experienced as a Palestinian American? https://t.co/wkACF90RlJ
— Briahna Joy Gray (@briebriejoy) December 6, 2023
tequila4kapp said:
From Israael's perspective this isn't just about the Hamas' leaders. It is a realization they cannot have antisemitic neighbors hell bent on eliminating them. See Netenyahu's reported statements resisting the WH's call for a reformed PA to take over...the PA, with its paying of terrorist families and school propaganda that foments antisemitism is really no better.
Israel is in a terrible position of probably needing to occupy and control Gaza. If there was any Palestinian entity that would acknowledge Israel's right to exist...maybe in a perfect world we could have something approaching US & Japan after WW2 but even there the Japanese never believed the US had no right to exist.
Why not import a few million Central and South Americans to change the culture and intermarry?
bearister said:
"….but Hamas' nominal leaders are all in other countries - these aren't Napoleon types,"*
Munich operation.
*Killing 20k people in Gaza doesn't solve that problem either.
^^This^^ And if a few Qatari's get caught in the crossfire, oh well.
Yesterday three learned women from so called elite universities gave some of the most morally deranged and outrageous testimony in front of Congress. Today, they're scrambling and trying to undo the damage. The rot in the ivory towers is deep.
Weird how Claudine Gay was clearly asked to condemn this like 9 times under oath yesterday and wouldn't do it . But now after mass outrage suddenly she issues a statement. And @Harvard says we're the confused ones? #fuckharvard #harvard #ClaudineGay https://t.co/gtsCnzZC5x
— Dave Portnoy (@stoolpresidente) December 6, 2023
A little rant about American universities, in the light on the recent Congressional testimony debacle:
— Geoffrey Miller (@primalpoly) December 7, 2023
Today I learned that Harvard President Claudine Gay seems to have published only 11 peer-reviewed journal papers in her entire academic career.
'So what?', you might ask.…
This was a courageous act of Journalism on the part of Haaretz. They researched & verified ALL the claims, especially the ones that went viral, and separated truth from fiction & embellishment.tequila4kapp said:Sure, very believable...especially since Hamas never attacked and it was really Israel killing all those Jews.Genocide Joe said:CaliforniaEternal said:
The UN is nothing more than a front to funnel billions of dollars to Hamas, support their Islamist agenda, and provide a forum for all of the world's most oppressive countries to demonize Israel.Among other things, by codifying ethno-nationalism as the only acceptable expression of Judaism in America, this is the most antisemitic resolution to be considered in generations: https://t.co/ca0NMPTTWy
— Eli Valley (@elivalley) December 4, 2023🚨Important! Haaretz definitively debunks iconic horror stories from Oct 7:
— Muhammad Shehada (@muhammadshehad2) December 3, 2023
40 beheaded babies
Baby burned in oven
A pregnant woman's stomach opened & her fetus removed
Children bound together & burned
Pregnant hostage giving birth
Haaretz says only 1 baby was killed on Oct 7🧵 pic.twitter.com/pBIZAvYXIm
There's no doubt that Hamas's 10/7 attack was vicious and brutal, and because so many innocent civilians were attacked & killed, qualifies as a war crime.
However, the wild exaggerations about beheading babies, etc., are futile attempts to further dehumanize Palestinians, and to justify the genocide & ethnic cleansing that Israel's Likud/Zionist extremists have intended to do for years.
Those egregiously embellished stories are still being used to re-emphasize the cruelty of the Hamas attackers on 10/7 in order to justify Netanyahu & the IDF's 10x cruelty in the indiscriminate bombing of Gaza, and the killing of 15,000 Palestinians, most of whom are women and children.
The blockade of all food & water from Gaza is a war crime.
The indiscriminate killing of innocent civilians is a war crime.
There are two options here:
- Stop the killing, and start working toward a 2-state solution (which Netanyahu & the Zionists hate) -- OR --;
- World War 3 (which Netanyahu & the Zionists want, but the American People don't want, and don't want to pay for).
The Middle East, other than Israel, has made it clear that they do NOT want a broader war. However, they will not stand by and watch the massacre & ethnic cleansing of Gaza, and the West Bank, without coming to their defense in one way or another.
So look . . . I would likely agree with you about Netnayahu and Israel's government having more of the power and agency here, but it's worth noting that Hamas doesn't want a 2-state solution either. It is a little bit more complex than just Israel changing their tune.cbbass1 said:
There are two options here:
- Stop the killing, and start working toward a 2-state solution (which Netanyahu & the Zionists hate) -- OR --;
CaliforniaEternal said:
Yesterday three learned women from so called elite universities gave some of the most morally deranged and outrageous testimony in front of Congress. Today, they're scrambling and trying to undo the damage. The rot in the ivory towers is deep.
'Not All Calls For Genocide Are Bad,' Say Ivy League Presidents Sporting Cool New Mustaches https://t.co/ln7FqUt31i pic.twitter.com/9fHW6JPivA
— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) December 6, 2023
Are we supposed to laugh or cry?
Lot of funny stuff regardless of one's poltical views being leveled at the school Presidents, not just by Babylon Bee. Also enjoyed when men can cry, despite the unnecessary gay stuff.bear2034 said:CaliforniaEternal said:
Yesterday three learned women from so called elite universities gave some of the most morally deranged and outrageous testimony in front of Congress. Today, they're scrambling and trying to undo the damage. The rot in the ivory towers is deep.'Not All Calls For Genocide Are Bad,' Say Ivy League Presidents Sporting Cool New Mustaches https://t.co/ln7FqUt31i pic.twitter.com/9fHW6JPivA
— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) December 6, 2023
Are we supposed to laugh or cry?
I guess Congress is not laughing, as they are going to investigate anti-semitism at Harvard per The Harvard Crimson.bear2034 said:CaliforniaEternal said:
Yesterday three learned women from so called elite universities gave some of the most morally deranged and outrageous testimony in front of Congress. Today, they're scrambling and trying to undo the damage. The rot in the ivory towers is deep.'Not All Calls For Genocide Are Bad,' Say Ivy League Presidents Sporting Cool New Mustaches https://t.co/ln7FqUt31i pic.twitter.com/9fHW6JPivA
— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) December 6, 2023
Are we supposed to laugh or cry?
http://disq.us/t/4kv670y
Two thoughts. It doesn't sound like Harvard alum Stefanki will be making her donation this year. The other is I'm glad I'm not the President of a major college these days. There is a move by Harvard alums to dump the current President, as she runs the gauntlet between pissing off students or alums.
UPenn just had a 100M donation withdrawn.
Go Jews!!!
Two thoughts. It doesn't sound like Harvard alum Stefanki will be making her donation this year. The other is I'm glad I'm not the President of a major college these days. There is a move by Harvard alums to dump the current President, as she runs the gauntlet between pissing off students or alums.
I dunno. Harvard could set sane, reasonable standards of conduct and discourse and dismiss any student who refuses to abide by them. Problem solved.
I dunno. Harvard could set sane, reasonable standards of conduct and discourse and dismiss any student who refuses to abide by them. Problem solved.
So we hate campus cancel culture, but off with their heads if they dare protest the wholescale massacre in Gaza...
Cal88 said:
So we hate campus cancel culture, but off with their heads if they dare protest the wholescale massacre in Gaza...
I'm fine to see these "progressives" support the Palestinian people and condemn the Israeli govt, if they want, but when they start to sound like they are supporting Hamas and attacking Jews, that's when they leave me cold.
These extreme positions on both sides... that's why these people just can't stop fighting. It'd be nice if we could divest from that entire area. If we need to, give the Israelis one of the Dakotas or something.
CaliforniaEternal said:
Yesterday three learned women from so called elite universities gave some of the most morally deranged and outrageous testimony in front of Congress. Today, they're scrambling and trying to undo the damage. The rot in the ivory towers is deep.Weird how Claudine Gay was clearly asked to condemn this like 9 times under oath yesterday and wouldn't do it . But now after mass outrage suddenly she issues a statement. And @Harvard says we're the confused ones? #fuckharvard #harvard #ClaudineGay https://t.co/gtsCnzZC5x
— Dave Portnoy (@stoolpresidente) December 6, 2023A little rant about American universities, in the light on the recent Congressional testimony debacle:
— Geoffrey Miller (@primalpoly) December 7, 2023
Today I learned that Harvard President Claudine Gay seems to have published only 11 peer-reviewed journal papers in her entire academic career.
'So what?', you might ask.…
Inside the Pro-Israel Information War
— Lee Fang (@lhfang) December 8, 2023
I have a new investigation up with WhatsApp logs, docs & videos showing how tech execs & Israeli gov officials are working to cancel pro-Palestinian speakers, win Twitter fights & ship weapons, among many goals. Reported w/Jack Poulson. pic.twitter.com/7iC2fkmMiX
Quote:
We have obtained access to thousands of the group's WhatsApp messages dating back to mid-October, and an intricate spreadsheet where group participants request and claim tasks ranging from social media responses to IDF support shipments. Separately, we have viewed a number of video meetings charting best practices for "hasbara" an Israeli term of art for "public diplomacy" whose detractors see it as a euphemism for propaganda -- that offer a window into Israel's public-relations war that is not limited to the tech sector.
In addition to Moshe, the WhatsApp group includes prominent Silicon Valley venture capitalist Jeff Epstein a former CFO of Oracle and Andy David, a diplomat-cum-venture capitalist who also serves as the Israeli foreign ministry's head of innovation, entrepreneurship, and tech.
The WhatsApp group, officially named the "J-Ventures Global Kibbutz Group," is a project of J-Ventures, a U.S.-Israeli investment fund that calls itself a "capitalist kibbutz" -- a reference to Israel's historically collectivist farming communities. Hermoni, the WhatsApp group's founder, is a managing director of J-Ventures, and David, the foreign ministry official, is internally listed by J-Ventures as a member of the "PR/Political Team" that makes decisions on messaging and lobbying.
The WhatsApp group, spreadsheet, and various video discussions offer a rare public glimpse of how Israel and its American allies harness Israel's influential tech sector and tech diaspora to run cover for the Jewish state as it endures scrutiny over the humanitarian impact of its invasion of Gaza.
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